Jan
15

Wednesday Night Open Thread

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Another day closer to Spring Training. The little countdown in our sidebar is now counting in just days, not months anymore. That’s cool. It’s kinda crazy to think about just how much work the Yankees still have to do between now and then, especially with the pitching staff. Masahiro Tanaka‘s signing deadline is less than nine full days away, but there’s still the bullpen left to address as well. The team could make a flurry of moves these next few weeks or they could do nothing at all. Neither would surprise me at this point.

Here is the open thread for the night. There’s nothing going on this evening — none of the local hockey and basketball clubs are playing — so you’re on your own for entertainment. You folks know how this works by now, right? Good. Go nuts.

Categories : Open Thread
  • Yall Know

    Looks like Hafner is about to retire. Wow. Now that Youk is in Japan, Wells is in DFA limbo, looks like Cashman’s Class of ’13 Lightning in a Bottle is officially done.

    You can add up the stats, Mike. 3 duds for $28 million is my estimate… all avoidable.

    • Farewell Mo

      Cashman failed at signing teh playerz

      • Get Phelps Up (looking for a new name)

        You’re a persistent one, aren’t you?

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          If a tree falls in the woods….

        • Jim Is A (Bored) Peckerhead

          He’s joined the cause but he’s doing it wrong. It’s a start.

  • Wheels

    Mattingly had the sweetest stroke.

    • nycsportzfan

      For me, that Mattingly dinger is still my fave moment as a yankee fan, even through all the champ banners and what not. I started watching and following the yanks fulltime in 1990, and they were terrible. Mattingly was my fave player, and by the time 1995 came around, i was 14yrs old. Sports was everything to me then, and it was such a moment for me, that i’ve never forgot how i felt as that ball left the stadium. It was a amazing feeling for me!

  • LarryM Fl

    There is such a difference in Yankee Stadium 2 and Yankee Stadium 3. The new place just has no life. Is it construction, wrong folks occupying the seats up close or the roster. But something has to change!

    • dkidd

      they have to go 14 years without making the post-season

      • dkidd

        but i agree that the new stadium is a big bummer

    • nsalem

      The seats in the 3rd and 4th deck are recessed from the field and so far away you don’t even feel like your in the ball park. The 3rd deck in the original YS 1 and YS 2 were much closer to the field. There are advantages to the new stadium. There is space to move around and you can exit the ballpark from the upper deck in under 5 minutes when it could have been up to 20 minutes leaving the old stadium. If you drive to the stadium like I do it is also muc more pleasant due to the factthere is much better access to public transit. I livein the most northern part of WestchesterCounty and the ride time to the old place was about 75 minutes and now it is down to 45. Between leaving the game and the traffic leaving the stadium I save about 90 minutes roundtrip which is great for me.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Not to mention the concourses are wider, you can actually access the rest of the stadium from the bleachers, and you can get from those 400 level seats to the lower level in a couple of minutes if you need to.

        It’s not AT&T Park. It may not even, in some ways I’d like it to be, be CitiField. It’s YS3, and I’ve more than grown to appreciate it on its own merits.

  • dkidd

    put the mustard on it baby!!!

    hold onto the roof!!!

    two of my favorite calls ever

    • art vandelay

      Agreed. I love when you see the beer go flying in the air. Was anyone at this game? That place must have been rocking.

      • Bobby

        I was there with my father I was nine. I remember getting doused in beer and thinking it was the biggest home run ever hit. Then I became extremely nervous because Piniella pulled the M’s off the field because people were throwing stuff and some guy in my section said they were going to make the Yanks forfeit. Looking back there was definitely some extra juice because they hadn’t made the playoffs but I also think there was a higher percentage of people who were there and living and dying with every pitch. The energy level at this place is simply not even close.

      • Sandy

        I was there. When Leyritz hit the game-winning homer in the 15th inning it was 1:23 AM and a light rain had started to fall. I was there with my dad and it’s the most memorable game of my life. Although. . .I did not remember that a young Mariano Rivera went 3.1 innings for the win. Had to look that up.

      • nsalem

        Was there it was great. I remember Donnie’s Home Run. Sierra almost winning the game in the 12th or 13th with a double but Bernie getting thrown out at home. The place went nuts when Leyritz hit the homer for the win. My other memory was it started raining as soon as the game ended. The craziest I ever saw the staduim was when we beat Seattle in 2000 to clinch. I was in the upper deck and it was swaying so much I thought it was coming down.

      • nope

        I was there, still the best game I’ve ever seen. Stayed all the way throught the Leyritz walk-off homer in the rain.

    • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek Roadgeek Adam

      It does help when the great Gary Thorne is calling it.

  • Yes We McCann (Formerly MelkyMesaWaysa)

    That highlight reminds me of when I described baldness to my second grade class as “No hair, you know? Like Ruben Sierra?”

  • Dalek Jeter

    Rubin Sierra has one of the ugliest swings I’ve ever had the misfortune of seeing.

    • RetroRob

      Comparing the Mattingly swing with the Sierra swing is a case of beauty and the beast.

  • steve (different one)

    ahh, the good old days. when fans could still innocently cheer for HRs hit by players on PEDs.

    • RetroRob

      Speaking of PEDs (hey, it only took to note #13!), I noticed this article on ESPN.

      http://espn.go.com/new-york/ml.....usada-says

      The USADA head basically confirmed what I thought. Those gummies and pink food that A-Rod took on specific days and times don’t really do all that much. That’s not to say steroids don’t do anything, because they do (although the question of how much for a baseball player is still quite valid), but it may be that it is the belief that it does something that drives players to use them. Players wear magnets and copper arm bands because they believe it helps. They take supplements that do nothing.

      The one thing that the 60 Minutes piece somehow ignored because it didn’t fit the story line is A-Rod started working with Bosch in 2010. Every year A-Rod worked with him and used his PEDs, A-Rod was worse than the prior year. His performance was declining under Bosch.

      • stuckey

        How were the results he achieved key to the story, other than an aside?

        • RetroRob

          If I understand your question, it doesn’t to the overall A-Rod/MLB story. Yet I found the presentation by 60 Minutes deceptive. They were building a story that clearly was trying to lead the viewer to believe that by popping a gummie at a specific time led to A-Rod hitting a HR in that game. That was unnecessary to the story and in fact damaged the story they were trying to tell.

      • Holy Ghost

        A-Rod’s performance declined every year after 2007. Probably the worst example of PEDs giving a player an unfair advantage.

        A-Rod’s clearly not very bright. Bosch could’ve given him over the counter stuff…

        • jim p

          So he kept taking them because he’s particularly stupid? Or because he would have been completely washed up without them?

          • Holy Ghost

            Stupid and desperate to hang on to what was left of his career. Id feel sympathy for the guy if he hadn’t already made millions playing baseball

      • Farewell Mo

        The regimen of performance-enhancing substances delivered by Anthony Bosch to Alex Rodriguez was “probably the most potent and sophisticated drug program developed for an athlete that we’ve ever seen,” U.S. Anti-Doping Agency CEO Travis Tygart told The Associated Press……. “At the end of the day,” Tygart said, “this was a potent cocktail of sophisticated PEDs stacked together to deliver power, aid recovery, avoid detection and create a home run champion.”

        So after reading that article, your take away message is the gummies Arod used don’t really do much? It sounds like someone who is a world class expert in PEDs was pretty impressed by Arod’s drug regimen.

        • RetroRob

          My point had nothing to do with what you stated.

        • Holy Ghost

          I think the language used by the USADA guy is misleading. On paper it sounds potent but there’s no way to know for certain if Bosch told he truth.

          A-Rod had the least productive years of his career after he began working with Bosch. Given his inability to stay healthy, his lack of production, lack of a failed drug test, and Bosch’s lack of credibility, I don’t buy it. Plus, as mentioned in the article and other places, there’s doubt about the effectiveness of oral testosterone treatments.

          Whatever Bonds got from BALCO caused him to have a growth spurt and have his most productive seasons in his late 30s. Nothing A-Rod got from Bosch seems to be as potent as the BALCO stuff.

          • Farewell Mo

            For all you know, Arod could have fallen off a cliff performance wise were it not for the steroids.

            What reason is there for Bosch to lie about the specific cocktail of PEDs he gave Arod? Just the fact that he did any of them was damning enough.

            The language the USADA was crystal clear and that’s the regimen Arod used was “probably the most potent and sophisticated drug program developed for an athlete that we’ve ever seen.” Coming from someone who monitors and tests for PEDs for a living and has been exposed to cases such as Lance Armstong, that’s quite a statement.

            • Holy Ghost

              “What reason is there for Bosch to lie about the specific cocktail of PEDs he gave Arod?”

              Maybe the fact that the MLB is protecting Bosch from criminal charges for things like selling drugs to teenagers? He has incentives for telling them what they want to hear.

              I’m not arguing that A-Rod is innocent or didn’t intend to buy banned substances from Bosch. I just don’t buy the idea that Bosch didn’t lie to A-Rod or anyone else about what was being prescribed.

              • Farewell Mo

                Horowitz and the 13 players who admitted guilt immediately without a fight disagree with you.

  • stuckey

    I wasn’t at that game, but I was at maybe 75% of the 1996-2000 home WC and DS postseason games (only got to a couple of series games). David Justice 3-1 off Arthur Rhodes is one of my standout moments, because when the count went 3-1 the entire section I was sitting in KNEW what was going to happen next. “Here it goes” and everyone grabbing one another waiting was what I remember.

    What I also remember is a group of people celebrating and appreciating success. Success that at that time was rare (and spoiler alert: someday will be agsin) “Joyous” is best I can describe.

    Online Yankee fandom is the exist opposite of that. “Anxious” best describes it. Where once was appreciation there is now (very) temporary relief.

    “What will you do for me tomorrow” is our motto.

    We’re a group of people frightened of no longer being the best.

    • RetroRob

      The cure for that would be for the team to go into a tailspin and collapse like it did in the early 90s, such for a few years, and then return to the top. Nothing like a nice dose of losing for reality and then appreciation to set in.

      • stuckey

        I haven’t lost hope that we can all learn to appreciate the remarkable run the last 20 years have been, while simulatnenously hoping it continues, or the valley isn’t to deep and wide.

        Winning is special. Winning consistently remarkable.

        We’re at the stage that we think not winning is an affront and we’re offended by it.

        And it’s not like anyone of us achieved anything ourselves. We just watch other people do it.

        • Midland TX

          Nice post. So much angst over the 24th and 25th roster spots, or where scouts have rated the kids in A ball. Thanks for sharing a little perspective.

          I have to remind myself periodically how many readers–and writers–here grew up during a period of unprecedented success and assume(d?) it to be the norm.

        • Delbert Grady

          Personally, I think it will be hard for this generation of fans to understand what that felt like. Especially, having a 1st place team in 94 lost to the strike. With all the extra wild cards now, you can hover around .500 and make a run for the playoffs with a flawed team that shouldn’t be there. I expect MLB to keep adding more wild cards and play in games down the road. At some point they’ll probably turn the post season into a seeded tournament.

          Watching that video made me smile. That stadium was a pit, but it was perfect. What’s passing now as Yankee Stadium is sad.

  • Martin T.

    Great to see #2 on the top step cheering after Mattingly’s homer. Jeter’s first October with the big club: even though he wasn’t on the roster, they had him up to get a feel for the major leagues and it looks like he was loving it.

  • OldYanksFan

    I accidental found these web videos by Jose Canseco. It seems the site: Buysteroids.com commissioned Canseco to do some twenty 10 minute segments where he answers letters wtitten in about Roids. Pretty interesting really. I know the dude is self serving, but (at the time of filming he said that) he’s been doing them for 20 years.

    Eposide #16: Why everyone should do steroids.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?f.....9W2Oao2ITs

    • Farewell Mo

      That’s just mind boggling that Canseco would do something like that. He must really be hard up for cash.

      • OldYanksFan

        Actual, he did one filming from LA, where he said he was on his way to bankruptcy court.

  • OldYanksFan

    From BP.com(?) I read an interesting acticle that studied ‘power surges’ in MLB. It was very detailed, but not claiming to be perfect… just one way of analyzing the situation. The author concluded (after a great deal of stats and analysis) that there was NO steroids era. That power spikes more likely coincided with expansion years, changes to bat and ball production, and some other factors…. except with one unexplained 2 year period in the 90′s.

    In the article was a link to a VERY detailed piece on steroids… It was like 20 pages. Took me 2 hours to get through it. Much of it was an interview with a Dr. who studied the stuff and worked with physical trainers.

    His conclusion was that steroids primary help develop upper body strength, whereas HRs were more a product of lower body strength… primarily hip rotation and torso strength. He didn’t think roids helped HR production much at all.

    The truth is we know about as much about steroids as they did about reefer in 1980.

  • WhittakerWalt

    Any word on whether Francesa pronounces it “Tuh-KNOCKER?”

    • Wheels

      lol