Open Thread: 3/3 Camp Notes

Ichiro says he wants to play "many" more years after 2014
Nine Yankees make Baseball America's top 100 also-rans list

The winning streak is up to four. The Yankees beat the Nationals 4-2 on Monday afternoon thanks to an extended second inning rally against lefty Ross Detwiler. Kelly Johnson (double) and Corban Joseph (single) sandwiched run-scoring hits around a two-run error by shortstop Zach Walters. Johnson, Brett Gardner, Francisco Cervelli, and Zoilo Almonte all had doubles and all except Cervelli’s were to the opposite field. Zoilo and Cervelli had two hits apiece.

Here is the box score for this afternoon’s game. Ivan Nova looked very, very sharp in his three innings of work, striking out four and allowing only one base-runner (CoJo error). David Robertson hit a batter in an otherwise perfect inning in his spring debut and Shawn Kelley surrendered a solo homer in his inning. Danny Burawa looked good despite allowing a run because ground balls kept finding holes (or being bobbled for errors). Here’s the rest from Tampa.

  • Mark Teixeira faced live pitching in batting practice for the first time, though he only took three swings from each side of the plate. Teixeira said the plan is the take more live batting practice the next two days before playing in Thursday’s game. [Bryan Hoch]
  • CC Sabathia and Masahiro Tanaka both threw their regular between-starts bullpen sessions. Jose Campos and Manny Banuelos, who will hopefully get in a game soon because I want to see them pitch, threw live batting practice to Teixeira and others. [Chad Jennings]
  • Alfonso Soriano (flu from hell) is feeling better and was able to get all his work in today. He is tentatively scheduled to play in Thursday’s game, Joe Girardi announced after the win. [Sweeny Murti]
  • Derek Jeter will DH in tomorrow night’s game against the Orioles, the first time he’ll play back-to-back games this spring. Playing back-to-back games at short will be the real test. [Hoch]
  • And finally, Andy Pettitte arrived in camp as a guest instructor and threw batting practice this morning. “There’s nothing in the works, I promise y’all,” he joked. [Dan Barbarisi]

This is your open thread for the evening. Both the Knicks and Nets are playing, plus MLB Network will re-air a Spring Training game later tonight. This afternoon’s win over the Nats is not being replayed anywhere. Use this thread to talk about whatever you like. Have at it.

Ichiro says he wants to play "many" more years after 2014
Nine Yankees make Baseball America's top 100 also-rans list
  • Capo

    Just a note, Nova didn’t hit a batter — only one to reach was Span on Joseph’s error.

    Nova looked great today. Very encouraging.

    • Add

      Capo, it doesn’t say that Nova hit a batter, Robertson did.

      • Capo

        Yeah, Mike fixed it.

  • CashmanNinja

    Nova was fantastic today. Granted it’s only spring training, but it was very encouraging. And I thought Burawa was great as well. He did allow a run, but it was because of shoddy defense. He actually looked extremely poised when getting out of the jam (including inducing a double-play). He looked very calm on the mound and didn’t look frustrated or nervous in the least. On top of that his stuff also looked pretty good as well.

  • Wheels

    It’s cool that Andy is around helping out.

  • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

    Cano is complaining there’s not enough bats in the Seattle line-up.

    Sheffield was on MLB the other day and he said Cano is about to find out money isn’t everything.

    • nycsportzfan

      250million has to be pretty close to everything

    • vicki

      sheff said that back in december, right? i always crazy-loved him back when. still do, more and more.

      • mikhel

        I remember an interview where he said on the radio that he was willing to play for free because he loved to be playing day in and day out… and it showed. One of my favourite players from the time he was with the Padres along Benito and others when he was still a 3B.

        I loved to listen to those games after my classes ended every day (I moved to evening classes so my trip back home from high school was when the game was about to begin here in the west coast)… Tony Gwynn, Sheffield, Benito Santiago, McGriff, Andy Benes, Clements, Maddux (when Mike was ¨better¨ than Greg hehehe), even Eiland played there… I think he went to the Padres in the… ah no, Whitson´s trade was not.. that.. has… been… deleted… Whitson who?

      • Tanakapalooza Floozy

        Loved him as a two punch combo with ARod when they flat out raked together.

  • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

    Scott Sizemore had a good report on Pineda today.

    Said Pineda hit mid 90s in simulated game. Said Pineda was imposing, his mechanics are smoother.

    • Tanakapalooza Floozy

      Wait. I don’t understand. How can anyone be imposing to Sizemore? He of more size?

  • nycsportzfan

    Love Kelly Johnson’s swing. If this were 1998, he’d come in and hit 300 20 75 or something like that. Hes exactly the type of cheapish, big reward player the yanks added back then.

    • gageagainstthemachine

      Funny. I was thinking to myself as I was watching him play today, that I could see him ending up as a Scott Brosius kind of surprise success story in New York. Or at list an Aaron Boone kind of guy at 3rd (or wherever). Not legendary, but good for a while that were outliers for their career and providing some folk lore memorable moments for my grandkids way down the road.

      • Preston

        He’ll have a lower batting average, but more walks and more power.

      • CashmanNinja

        I was just thinking of a Brosius comparison. One with more power, but less defense. I miss Brosius.

        • nycsportzfan

          But more versatile.

      • vicki

        he showed up (on my radar) four or five years ago because mike/ben/joe shone a light. big difference between him and brosius (and aaron boone): kjo gots a sweet LEFTHANDED swing.

  • mustang

    Frank says:
    March 3, 2014 at 4:13 pm
    The part that sucks to me is that this is a team of free agents. Jeter is on his way into retirement, and other than Gardner…there isn’t any home grown talent to root for. Hey, if they can win this way great, but they certainly don’t have me as excited about this team as they did when they had a core of homegrown talent. That probably goes without saying, but this team is the polar opposite of everything they’ve ever won with.
    nycsportzfan says:
    March 3, 2014 at 6:47 pm
    Dont forget D-Rob and Nova.
    mustang says:
    March 3, 2014 at 7:39 pm
    Scott Brosius, Gooden, Key, Cone, O’Neil, Boggs, Fielder, Justice, Tino Martinez, Nelson, Soto, Hayes, AJ, Tex, CC, etc
    I see your point.

    Anyone want to add to list?

    • Need Pitching & Hitting


      • mustang


        my bad…lol

      • nycsportzfan


        • mustang


    • nycsportzfan

      Dosen’t mean you didn’t forget about Nova and D-Rob.

      • mustang

        You may also add Betances, Nuno, Phelps, Cervelli or Murphy or Romine

    • mustang

      Love the Core Four to death, but they didn’t it alone.

    • nycsportzfan

      Mike Stanton, Chad Curtis, Rock Raines, Mike Stanley.

      • nycsportzfan

        Grahem Lloyd, Straw, Cecil Fielder

    • mustang

      Strawberry, Graeme Lloyd, John Wetteland, Jim Leyritz, Mariano Duncan

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        Wasn’t Leyritz homegrown?

        • mustang

          Yes, Sir

          I was wrong

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        …..and a Chiliiiii Daaaaaviiiiis in a pear tree.

        • nycsportzfan

          I was reading a old newspaper article the other day , confirming the Yanks signing of Chilli Davis to a 3yr deal. The craziest part of the article that was written DEC 11th 1997 was as the end, when they brought up other yankee news, and I quote “Yankees Principal owner is enthralled over Davis, he said there was scant hope of the team aquiring Randy Johnson because the Mariners want Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera in exchange. As dominating as Johnson has been, Steinbrenner is not willing to trade younger pitchers for him.”

          Wow, thank the good lord that trade never happened, ey?

          • Tanakapalooza Floozy

            Fuck those fucking mariners.

          • The Great Gonzo

            “As dominating as Johnson has been, Steinbrenner is not willing to trade younger pitchers for him.”

            Wahhhhhhhh?? GEORGE Steinbrenner said this?

            MIND BLOWN

    •! Get Phelps Up

      I mean, home grown talent is nice and all, but what gets me the most excited is the prospect of watching a good team, homegrown or not. If someone wants to watch a team of all home grown talent, they can go watch the Astros.

      • mustang


    • mustang

      “That probably goes without saying, but this team is the polar opposite of everything they’ve ever won with.”

      This man needs a serious history lesson.

      • The Great Gonzo

        It “goes without saying”, but mainly because its wrong.

      • Kenny

        Ford was “home grown.” So was Vic Raschi. Reynolds came from Cleveland. Lopat from the White Sox (I think). The Babe wasn’t home grown. I may be mistaken about this, but wasn’t Dimaggio’s contract purchased from either some other MLB org. or from the Seals?

        It’s very nice to have “home grown” players. It creates a warm feeling all over, rather like eating locally-grown lettuce. However, late modern baseball is no longer the pastoral business it once was (or may seem to have been), and free agency–and, especially, its intelligent use–is an essential component of the game. (Your lettuce may come from parts unknown.)

        Worse: the game is still(!) changing, with free agency not quite the royal road to success it was in the 1970s, 80s, and 90s. That’s why the Yankees really must, pronto, rearm their front office to improve their MiL system, rolling whatever heads are necessary.

        This isn’t because of the warm glow given off by “home grown” players but because the business is changing yet again and the Yanks will have to use their $$ muscle the way they did when they stocked Newark with talent in the 1930s and Joe McCarthy was called a “push-button manager.” I.e., home grown was nice, but too much “home grown” could give a team a bad reputation!

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      1998 Yankees homegrown:
      Position players who finished in top 13 in PA: 3
      Jeter, Bernie, Posada
      Starting P who finished in top 5 in IP: 1-2
      Pettitte, and I suppose El Duque counts as homegrown
      Relievers who finished in top 7 in IP: 3
      Mo, Mendoza, Mike Buddie

      2014 Yankees homegrown:
      Position plalyers likely to finish in top 13 in PA: At least 3
      Jeter, Gardner, BUC, maybe Nunez, (I suppose Soriano technically counts as well)
      Starting P likely to finish in top 5 in IP: At least 1
      Nova, maybe Phelps, Warren, or Nuno
      Relievers likely to finish in top 7 in IP: likely at least 4
      Possibly every spot other than Kelley and Thornton

      • I’m One

        I’m not saying Frank was correct in his original post (he wasn’t) but Jeter, Bernie and Posada contributed significantly and you could see they were either stars or potential future stars (in Posada’s case). It’s not the same this season, although there are certainly a good number of home-grown players on this team.

  • Karl Krawfid

    This Yankee spring training team could beat last years team in a 7 game series.

    Probably sweep em.

    • jedua

      if you look at the 2013 lineup… yikes.

      C Stewart
      SS Nunez
      3B Nix
      LF Wells
      RF Ichiro
      DH Hafner

      maybe kuroda or nova get the series to a 4-1 but that’s not likely

    • nycsportzfan

      Hence, why I have continued my “this teams underrated” rant, and will continue it. As we make fun of last yrs team and talk about how this yrs team would beat them, lets not forget, last yrs team was right in the thick of the WC race most of the season. And even one of the good players that actually did stay healthy last yr, wasen’t that good(CC), and Kuroda finished with a sub 500record. This teams gonna be in the postseason, I guarantee it.

      • Tanakapalooza Floozy

        Put the pipe down son.

  • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

    Doesn’t spring training seem smother without run of the mill ARod distractions?

    • vin

      Mmmmm… smothered in ARod distractions

      I don’t know why that makes me laugh, but it does.

      But yes, this ST is downright boring by comparison to most.

      I just can’t wait until the Andy for 5th starter! movement begins.

  • mustang

    “When they began their run in 1995, the average age of the offense was 31, and the offense has averaged more than 30 years of age for 18 years straight. Their pitching staff was relatively young in the early years, back when Andy Pettitte and Mariano Rivera were in their mid-20s, but since 1998 the average age of the pitchers has been more than 30 every year but one.”

    We have no chance.

    • mustang

      This year they are coming in anywhere from 31.1 to 33.5 so what the sense of playing the season these guy are over Baseball’s death valley.

    • mustang

      THE DATA

      What did we discover? First, some averages by position, based on the past 25 champions:


      Average age: 28.6

      Average WAR: 1.9

      First base

      Average age: 29.1

      Average WAR: 3.2

      Second base

      Average age: 27.9

      Average WAR: 2.7

      Third base

      Average age: 30.1

      Average WAR: 2.4


      Average age: 27.9

      Average WAR: 2.7


      Average age: 29.9

      Average WAR: 2.7

      Designated hitter

      Average age: 33.4

      Average WAR: 2.2

      Starting pitcher

      Average age: 29.6

      Average WAR: 2.9


      Average age: 29.8

      Average WAR: 2.4

      What we discovered about age

      It pays to be a little older and perhaps a little more experienced than average. Go figure.

      • The average age of a major league pitcher over the past 25 seasons is 28.5. The average age of a starting pitcher and closer on a World Series champion is just shy of 30.

      • For hitters, the average age over the past 25 seasons is 28.8 while the average age of a hitter on a World Series champion skewed slightly higher at 29.

      • mustang

        Today’s lessons boys and girls is that would we like to have home grown 25 and under MLB ready players YES.
        Does that necessary equal championships NO!

        • forensic

          What’s with the age obsession today? Did I miss something?

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            BA published their “Players under 25” list and the Yanks ranked 25th or 28th. I honestly forgot already. It’s a interesting list, but one for which you can draw a thousand different observations from.

          • mustang
            • forensic

              I saw the post, just didn’t read the comments.

              And what you’re saying is all well and good, but there’s a big difference between 27-29 year old players/teams and what the Yankees are this season. I believe they have the 2nd oldest offense in baseball history this season.

              Their age is certainly a concern, especially since with age often comes more injuries, which is already a concern with this team.

  • Alex Rodriguez

    I’m can’t wait for 2015 Spring Training.

    • W.B. Mason Williams

      The power of Sizemore compels you!

  • stuckey

    I know a guy who sells tickets at a nice price a few blocks from the parking lot if you’d like a catch a game or two in person, Alex.

    • vicki

      i know a community college that admits pretty much anybody if you’d like to take another intro to something or two, stuckey.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Sergio Mitre signs with the Rakouten Golden Eagles. Discuss.

    • stuckey

      ARod, Mitre reunion?

    • Farewell Mo

      At -0.6 bWAR for his Yankees career, i’d say either he or Igawa hold the record for most comments per WAR all time on RAB.

      • I’m One

        Nothing tops the Sergio Mitre Experience!

    • forensic

      Mitre for Tanaka?

      We won the trade!

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Any truth to the rumor that Joe had second thoughts?

      • Giancarlo Murphy

        Throw in Youkilis too while you’re at it.

  • Tanuki Tanaka (Formerly Bob Buttons)

    Apparently there’s a national grammar day and it’s tomorrow.
    I’m already excited over the youtube link that I will post in tomorrow’s open thread.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I think that’s about as good a day as any for Mike to introduce that edit button.

  • forensic

    Two strikeouts but also a homerun allowed. Looks like Kelley is in midseason form.

    The 8th inning is going to be a very nerve-racking time this season.

    • The Great Gonzo

      Nah, Dellin’s GOT THIS.

      The 7th, however…. yikes

  • BigLoving

    Really excited to see Banuelos throw. Hopefully he is picking the hell out of Petittes brain. Actually I hope all the Yankees young pitchers are picking the hell out of his brain.

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