Spring Training Game Thread: Pineda, Part III

Open Thread: 3/22 Camp Notes
Cashman confirms Yankees will move Jose Ramirez to the bullpen
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Prior to yesterday’s game, Joe Girardi said there’s a chance he will announce his rotation for the start of the season on Tuesday. The fifth starter competition is technically still alive, though it seems both Vidal Nuno and Adam Warren have already been ruled out. It’s down to David Phelps and Michael Pineda, and based on how he’s thrown this spring, it’s hard to think Pineda won’t be the rotation if he stays healthy over the next ten days or so.

Pineda is making his third start and fourth appearance of Grapefruit League play this afternoon. The first three outings were pretty good overall, and the most important thing is that his fastball velocity has gradually crept upwards each time out. He topped out at 92 mph in his first game, then topped out at 93 mph in his second game, and in his last outing he hit 94 mph. I don’t know if Pineda will ever throw as he hard as he did with the Mariners a few years ago, but what we’ve seen so far is encouraging. He’s probably scheduled for something like 75-80 pitches this afternoon.

The Blue Jays made the short trip across the causeway from Dunedin for this afternoon’s game. Most of their regulars made the trip, including Jose Bautista, Edwin Encarnacion, Brett Lawrie, Colby Rasmus, and former Yankee Melky Cabrera. Should be a nice test for Pineda. Mark Buehrle will be on the bump. Here is the Yankees’ starting lineup:

  1. LF Brett Gardner
  2. SS Derek Jeter
  3. RF Carlos Beltran
  4. 1B Mark Teixeira
  5. C Brian McCann
  6. DH Alfonso Soriano
  7. 2B Brian Roberts
  8. 3B Eduardo Nunez
  9. CF Ichiro Suzuki
    SP Michael Pineda

Available Pitchers: RHP Chris Leroux, RHP Matt Daley, RHP Preston Claiborne, RHP Dellin Betances, LHP Cesar Cabral, RHP Jim Miller, RHP Danny Burawa, RHP Shane Greene, LHP Fred Lewis, RHP Manny Burawa, and RHP Branden Pinder.

Available Position Players: C Jose Gil, 1B Russ Canzler, 2B Zelous Wheeler, SS Yangervis Solarte, 3B Scott Sizemore, LF Zoilo Almonte, CF Antoan Richardson, RF Adonis Garcia, C Austin Romine, C John Ryan Murphy, and IF Dean Anna.

It’s cloudy but warm in Tampa, temperatures in the mid-to-high-70s with no threat of rain. This afternoon’s game is scheduled to start a little after 1pm ET, and you can watch live on YES, MLB Network, and MLB.tv. Enjoy.

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Open Thread: 3/22 Camp Notes
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  • dkidd

    hulk smash!!!

  • Yankee$ (Formerly Pseudoyanks)

    OK, I know this isn’t an Open Thread, but since it’s a half hour to game time and it’s Spring Training…
    Latest Baseball America features a look at all the 25 Years Old and Under talent across the League. On the list ranking all organizations, they rank the Yanks dead last 30 out of 30. “Yankees have no 25U established regular big leaguers and only one entrant on this year’s Top 100 Prospects” is the comment along side the rating. On the bright side…Leonardo Molina (CF) is rated the best 16 year old kid “True CF with bat speed and an ability to square up the ball” and Luis Torrens (C) is rated the 4th best 17 year old kid. Add Jorge Mateo (SS) (recently given an 80 Speed Rating ) and the lower levels are trying to catch up, I guess.

    I really hope the plan to break the bank this year on International Free Agents comes through (it’s only money, signings and penalties) and if they are smart, it saves big money later (chasing Major League free agents.)

    • Dalek Jeter

      I know these guys get payed a lot of money to do this…but how can you call a kid still going through puberty a “true CF’er?” I get that teams, the media, and fans want more and more information about the future of their teams and the talent that will get them there..but there comes a point of diminishing returns. As an example, there’s an 18 year old that the Cards just drafted, a LHP who I know a bit named Rob Kaminsky. 2 or 3 years ago his slider wasn’t nearly what it was even a year ago, if a team had sent a scout to see him when he was 15 or 16 they may have seen a smaller kid (by baseball standards) with a pretty big fastball for his age but that’s it.

      • Yankee$ (Formerly Pseudoyanks)

        I’m not sure about still going through puberty at 16, but your points are valid. The farther away from the show, the higher the risk/variability in any scouting report. I was psyched to recently learn that my first cousin’s son, Sophomore pitcher at FAU, is hitting 93/94 regularly and is turning himself into a ’15 Draft prospect. Woo hoo!

  • Mantle28

    “and based on how he’s thrown this spring, it’s hard to think Pineda won’t be the rotation if he stays healthy over the next ten days or so.”

    Why. Why would you say this. Theres no way he doesn’t blow his arm out again

  • Evan3457

    It’s not really possible for an exhibition game to be “big”. But if it were possible, this would be an example.

    • Yankee$ (Formerly Pseudoyanks)

      That was certainly a big half inning right there. He looks so free and easy on the mound.

  • Dalek Jeter

    Makes me just a tick nervous that Ells still isn’t ready to go. I’ve spent a lot of the off season arguing with Mike that Ells is going to be a better long term signing than Choo, and if he opens his first season hurt…that would suck not just for the team but my ego.

  • Wheels

    Singleton and Cone, nice.

  • pat

    Is he going my Miguel or Michael? Kenny called him Miguel.

    • pat

      Aaand he just called him Michael too. Oh well.

  • JGYank

    3 ground ball outs to start. Keeps shuttin them down.

  • Farewell Mo

    If they can get Pineda stretched out to 75-80 today and the 95-100 in his last ST start, he’ll be right on schedule to slot into that number 5 spot perfectly.

  • Mykey

    Can always count on Nunez.

  • pat

    Lol Nunez

  • mustang

    Nunez

    SMH!!!

  • Need Pitching & Hitting

    Eduardo being Eduardo

    • Wheels

      Edward Nunoz.

  • Wheels

    Let’s see if he can get out of this.

  • JGYank

    Never will confuse Nunez with Ozzie. Infield d might be rough to watch. Pineda was doing fine until the error.

    • mustang

      Might miss A-Rod’s glove more then his bat.

      • JGYank

        Not really. Didn’t have much range. Similar to Jeter in a way just at 3rd. Johnson shouldn’t be too bad with the glove and Arod’s a better hitter than him.

        • Dalek Jeter

          Agreed. If we were talking about like 2006-2009 A-Rod then yeah, I miss that glove…2010-2013 A-Rod? Very replaceable defensively.

  • Wheels

    sweet

  • Dalek Jeter

    3-6-1!

  • mustang

    VERY NICE!

  • pat

    Nice job MP. Gotta keep your foot on the other side of the bag though. Gonna get stepped on.

  • mustang

    Nice to se Pineda work his way out that obviously is control is not all there today.

  • JGYank

    Good job to get out of it. He’s getting tons of grounders. Even the error and the 2nd hit he gave up were on the ground. The other hit he gave up wasn’t hit hard either.

    • nycsportzfan

      He did very well today , considering that 1st inn, the jam he was in. Only gave up 2 earned runs in 6innings and didn’t walk anyone. I like that both Tanaka and Pineda found success even when they didn’t seem to have there best stuff. What a staff we could end up having.

  • JGYank

    Love Buehrle’s pace. Also Roberts has been working the count better than I thought he would of so far.

    • mustang

      Roberts is a hitter no doubt man if can stay healthy he might be a welcome surprise.

  • mustang

    Good.

    He just doesn’t look as comfortable as in his other starters, but he is getting done anyway.

    Good deal.

  • Dalek Jeter

    John and Suzyn are talking about the Jeter/Roberts DP like they’re freaking Ozzie Smith and Joe Gordon out there turning it.

  • TWTR

    This the point in ST when pitchers might have a little bit of a dead arm.

    • Dalek Jeter

      How his his velocity? John and Suzyn hasn’t mentioned it and spring training Gameday is more worthless than they are.

      • pat

        90=91 ish. Has hit a few 92’s.

        • Dalek Jeter

          Not too bad. As important as some make velocity out to be, control and movement are just as. He had really good control before the injury, so if he can regain that I can see Pineda being successful at that velocity.

          • pat

            Yeah I’m not too worried about it. He’s been on the black most of the day the only hits he gave up were 2 fb that leaked over the middle. Tons of weak contact on the slider and even a few swings and misses on the changeup to LHB. I don’t think he’ll ever get back to the 98 MPH he was at years ago, but he certainly has a good enough repertoire to be successful at 92 or so.

            • whozat

              I don’t think that’s true. His slider, while excellent, is just one other pitch. His other secondary offerings are mediocre at best. With a merely decent fastball, his repertoire is definitely not good enough to be a successful starting pitcher long term.

              • Wheels

                We’ll see.

          • mustang

            THIS!!!!!!

            You guys are making me cry.

            lol

    • mustang

      THIS!

  • The Other Matt

    Will be interesting to see if Girardi continues to play Ichiro in center on the days Ellsbury is out of the lineup, during the regular season, or if he is just doing it for the time being to showcase Ichiro to other teams.

    • pat

      I don’t think a guy like Ichiro needs showcasing. IMO it’s to get Gardy time in LF before the season starts.

  • Macho Man “Randy Levine”

    The best thing about these spring training games is that it’s already let me know which commercials I will be sick of seeing by mid-April.

  • Wheels

    Jeter’s got a week left to get it going.

    • nycsportzfan

      Its more important that hes out there in games, then the results to me. By the time the season starts, he’ll pick it up, I have no doubt.

  • pat

    Loving the first pitch strikes.

  • Need Pitching & Hitting

    Liking all the ground balls.

    Throw in some more missed bats, and I’d be ecstatic.

  • I’m One

    50 pitches through 4 innings and touching 93 on a high fastball. 3 GB outs that inning. Not too bad.

    • mustang

      Especially since he seem a bit off today nice to see him work his way through it.

  • Dalek Jeter

    Anybody got a pitch count on Pineda?

    • I’m One

      Just posted that right before your comment. 50 pitches.

      • Dalek Jeter

        Nice. Girardi said he’s good for 75 pitches, so he’s got another inning or two probably.

        • I’m One

          Yes. Pretty efficient so far. Hope he keeps it up.

    • Wheels

      50

  • mustang

    Nice looks like Pineda is finding himself.

  • D$1184

    I always kind of wished the Yankees would acquire Buerhle at some point in his career, notably when he went from the White Sox to the Marlins that one off-season. Left handed, always puts up 200 innings with a good if not great ERA and works very quickly. He would have been a nice fit as a no.3 guy in the rotation.

  • Dalek Jeter

    Hey, it’s not the Daily News 5th anymore, it’s Post Time with a NY Post guy.

  • mustang

    Not bad. He definitely struggling with his control and doesn’t look comfortable, but he still effective.

  • Dalek Jeter

    “Those rules [when the 25 man needs to be set] I don’t even know. I really don’t even pay attention to them.” Actual quote by the Manager of the New York Yankees, Joe Girardi.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I’m sure there’s some checks and balances in place which will prevent an awkward and potentially dangerous moment with Cesar Cabral on Opening Day.

      • W.B. Mason Williams

        “Batting 4th and playing 3B…Nik Turley!”

  • mustang

    For a 5th starter and not having his A game today not bad at all.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Yeah. Even with Tanaka yesterday, which I didn’t get to see, it’s at least good to see what they do when they’re struggling early on.

      I feel perfectly comfortable with him having the fifth starter spot and going from there. Sorry, BGDP.

  • pat

    Bautista looks turrible there.

  • JGYank

    Just noticed Cash sitting right behind the plate.

  • mustang

    Damn

    Jeter

  • mustang

    Tex = NOT FAST!!!!

    • Wheels

      glacial

  • Lukaszek

    “With Alex Avila batting, Unknown (0) steals (1) 2nd base”

    Who is this strangely named “Unknown (0)”, and can we trade for him? We sure can use some more speed.

  • whozat

    So, when does Jeter go to Joe and offer to hit in the bottom of the lineup until he gets it going? He’s all about the team, right? No ego?

    • mustang

      Maybe when they actually play games that count.

      • whozat

        Do you actually expect that to happen?

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Yes, I do expect them to play games that count. :)

          I also, somehow, expect Jeter to go 6 for 6 on Opening Day.

          • mustang

            LMAO

        • mustang

          Nope because it wouldn’t need to go there because Jeter will figure it out. If somehow it does happen and his manager puts him at the bottom of the order he will do as told and deal.
          If people don’t know that then they really understand what Derek Jeter is about.

          • whozat

            I understand that he’s about 40 and hasn’t hit for more than a game or two in about 18 months. I understand that incoming pitches don’t care about how good you used to be or about what your name is.

            The notion that it’s silly to be concerned about Jeter’s performance in 2014 is ludicrous. It’s perfectly reasonable.

            • BigDavey88

              Or you could relax and just let things happen.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    There are lots of stairs in Scranton.

  • pat

    Lets go big Del. Time to show you got big MAHBLES

  • dot

    Betances just made Jose Bautista his bitch.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Not out of the inning yet, but that was incredible.

    • mustang

      I missed it
      what happen

      • dot

        Four straight dropped off a table breaking balls to get Bautista looking.

        In fact, he never took the bat off his shoulder.

        • mustang

          :)

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Betances came in, bases loaded, one out, with Bautista up. Dropped four straight breaking balls on him and struck him out. The first two were beautiful, like early Phil Hughes and vintage Mussina beautiful.

        He then ended the inning with a high fly out.

        • mustang

          So I guess he is going luggage shopping today.

          TRAVEL PRO
          dude.

          Welcome to the Yankees Mr Betances.

          • Mandy Stankiewicz

            “Ma, I’m coming back home”

        • Dalek Jeter

          Little bit of poetic-license/hyperbole, or did he actually look that good?

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            That first breaking ball just dropping in there was a thing of absolutely beauty. No hyperbole on that pitch, at least.

      • BFDeal

        Struck out Bautista (looking) on four curves.

  • pat

    Welcome to the Bronx.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    I think someone just cemented their spot in the bullpen.

    • JGYank

      I thought he had before that. He’s certainly passed the test this spring.

  • mustang

    WHAT THE FUCK HAPPENED ??????

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Scott Sizemore grand slam, no one on.

      • Dalek Jeter

        You forgot to mention it was an inside the park style grandslam.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          He ran around the bases four times.

    • mustang

      OK..OK

      I’m in care of 10 and 5 year old sometimes you miss thing while looking for the Octonauts toy up in the pitbull german shepherd mix dog mouth!

  • Dalek Jeter

    Hey, for how…not great…he looked if we’re managing expectations and expecting him to be a number 5 guy…a quality start isn’t the worst thing to get out of Pineda.

  • pat

    Alfonso Soriano has pretty much the only legitimate 40/40 seaosn in MLB history. How crazy is that?

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      History will probably underrate him.

      • Dalek Jeter

        He should be “In the Hall of Very Good.” That is, I think he should be at least talked about has a borderline candidate but rightfully fall short of ever making it. I think he’ll get on the ballot at least once though.

        • Farewell Mo

          about 40 career WAR puts him in there with guys like Bernie, O’Neill, Dave Parker. Well behind someone who also likely won’t get in like Bobby Abreu who has almost 60.

          He’ll get some votes but won’t get close to getting in. If he had stayed at 2nd base, though maybe he’d have a chance.

          • Dalek Jeter

            Like I said, right at the wrong end of the borderline. Like you said, if he’d stayed at 2nd maybe. Also if he was good/great defensively maybe…but he’ll deserve a mention as an outside shot guy but fall short.

  • Farewell Mo

    Anyone know Pineda’s final line and how many pitches he threw?

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      6IP, 6 H, 3R, 2 ER, 2K, 0 BB
      About 80 pitches.

    • Evan3457

      6-6-3-2-0-2 with no HR.

      1st run was set up by a Nunez throwing error from 3rd.
      2nd run was scored on Pineda’s own throwing error on a bunt.
      3rd run was Pineda throwing a WP with a runner at 3rd.
      If I remember right Pineda was at 74 pitches before facing Rasmus as his last batter, who then struck out. So 75-80, and against a pretty good lineup.

  • Dalek Jeter

    Yankees running out close to the all 80 name tool team right now, Adonis Garcia, Zealous Wheeler, Yangervis Solarte, Antoan Richardson, and Jose Gil. Just need Zolio and John-Ryan out there.

  • pat

    Pineda, Betances and Burawa? Awesome.

  • RetroRob

    Doesn’t Sizemore have an opt out in his contract if he’s not on the MLB roster by a certain date?

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      May 1 and Aug 1, iirc

      • RetroRob

        Thanks. Hopefully they can hold on to him for depth. He also has some upside.

  • pat

    Hahaha, “We’ll go with 31.” And 31 takes a strike.

  • mustang

    Come on baby crush this shit

    • mustang

      fuck

      oh well nice day regardless

  • Yankee$ (Formerly Pseudoyanks)

    Damn. Was expecting Never Nervous Yangervis to come through Big Time!

  • TomG

    Doesnt matter where Pineda is topping out right. The only thing that matters is where he’s sitting. You guys have said as much in the past. Surprised to hear you using this language. A guy can sit 88-90 and hit 95 one time. What matters is where he’s sitting. Sooooo, in other words, where is he sitting?

    • Cool Lester Smooth

      He was sitting 89-91 today.