Apr
23

Pineda ejected, Yankees dejected after 5-1 loss to Red Sox

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Well that was … interesting. Wednesday night’s 5-1 loss to the Red Sox featured a starting pitcher ejection, sloppy defense, and a disappearing offense. The trifecta of bad.

WTF Big Mike?!
Yeah, so Michael Pineda made a really dumb decision. Less than two weeks after getting caught with pine tar on his hand — caught by television and the internet and everyone but the umpires and Red Sox — he was caught with pine tar on his neck in the second inning of this game. Unlike the last time, the Red Sox brought it to the ump’s attention, they went out and looked at Pineda, and he was immediately ejected as per the rules. He’s also facing a suspension. He deserves whatever he gets for being dumb enough to use it so blatantly a second time. Spoiler: More on this coming Thursday morning.

Defense? We Don’t Need No Stinkin’ Defense
Holy moly what a bad game in the field. Derek Jeter committed two errors — he was only charged with one, the other was ruled a hit for reasons unbeknownst to me — and they led to three runs total. The first went right through his legs and the other was a poor throw that short-hopped Mark Teixeira at first. Brett Gardner looked awkward in his first game in right field, most notably failing to catch a blooper near the wall. I thought it was clear he was uncomfortable running towards the wall from that direction.

Later on, Kelly Johnson threw away a barehander that led to an insurance run in the eighth. Adam Warren chucked a potential 1-6-3 double play ball into the dirt and it short-hopped Jeter, so no outs were recorded. The Yankees were charged with three errors but it could have been about five or six. This was as bad as they’ve looked in the field in a while. The shaky defense contributed to four of Boston’s five runs.

(Presswire)

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Runs Are Overrated Anyway
Despite the rough start, this game was very winnable. The bullpen did a fine job of keeping it close but the offense never managed to scratch anything together. The Yankees actually had a runner on base in every inning but the second and eighth, yet their only run came when Carlos Beltran (double) and Alfonso Soriano (sac fly) teamed up in the sixth. Otherwise the Yankees stranded runners at second and third in the fifth and a runner at first in the first, third, fourth, seventh, and ninth.

Beltran and Brian Roberts both went 2-for-4 while Brian McCann, Soriano, Gardner, and Johnson had one hit apiece. The Yankees didn’t draw a walk and they struck out a season-high 14 times. Teixeira took a big fat 0-for-4 with four strikeouts and Jeter saw his 11-game hitting streak come to end. This was also the first time he failed to reach base in a game this season. Worst game for the Cap’n this year by far. This looked nothing like the team that scored nine runs and pounded the ball all night on Tuesday.

Parade of Relievers
Because Pineda was ejected so early, Joe Girardi had to run through his bullpen thoroughly. David Phelps threw two innings and 57 pitches (!), Matt Thornton threw 1.1 innings and 25 pitches, Preston Claiborne threw two innings and 32 pitches, and Warren got three outs on ten pitches. They combined to allow three runs (one earned) on six hits and four walks. Phelps was easily the worst of the bunch, walking three and having a hard time putting guys away in general. He has Phil Hughes Disease. Get ahead of everyone 0-2 but struggle to put them away. Shawn Kelley, David Robertson, Dellin Betances, Warren, and probably Thornton are in good shape for tomorrow’s game. Phelps and Claiborne … probably not.

Leftovers
Pineda wasn’t very good before the ejection and he looked very uncomfortable on the mound. He was taking lots of time between pitches and making lots of throws to first. Very fidgety. His body language made it clear he wasn’t comfortable. Pineda allowed two runs on one well-struck ball and a bunch of bloops and bleeders (and a Jeter error) in the first before getting two quick outs in the second. Then he was ejected. Because he was cheating. With pine tar. On his neck.

I was watching on YES, but apparently the ESPN camera caught some members of the coaching staff talking to Pineda in the tunnel at some point. I don’t know if it was before the ejection or after. Either way, Girardi pushed the camera so it couldn’t see down the tunnel. Not a big deal but he’ll probably catch a fine for that. Can’t mess with the networks.

I know it was a weird game because of the ejection and all that, but I thought the YES booth was pretty terrible in this game. Lots of nonsense talk that had nothing to do with the game and more jibber jabber about infield shifts. They were treating it like a blowout even though it was only a four (and temporarily three) run game. Not a good night for the broadcasters.

Box Score, WPA Graph & Standings
MLB.com has the box score and video. FanGraphs has some other staffs. ESPN has the updated standings.


Source: FanGraphs

Up Next
The Yankees and Red Sox will play the rubber game of this three-game series on Thursday night, when lefties Felix Doubront and CC Sabathia square off. Win that game and tonight will be forgiven.

Categories : Game Stories
  • Bo Knows

    Pineda didn’t have a good grip of the ball, that much was sure, but someone needs to take time and show him places to hide pinetar or dammit he could just do what Bucholz does.

    This will be an interesting development, cause I think from now on Girardi is going to to start calling for Bucholz and Lester to be checked out

    • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

      Yup. Al Leiter pointed out how Lackey had something on the back of his wrist, tonight.

    • nycsportzfan

      First thing I said, was how does Girardi and Rothschild not deal with this in the past wk or so? I figured, they knew they escaped one last time, and they’d talk about it with Pineda, end of story. I was wrong.

      It sucks, but we’ll get through it, and CC will take care of Doubrount tomorrow, and we’ll of won another series about the hypocrites.

    • n0exit

      Sorry to burst your bubble but no he isn’t. He’s just spent the entire post game throwing him under the bus with his buddy Larry and got a solid assist from cashman. He won’t do diddly squat.

      • Larry B

        Cashman can be really destructive with his mouth. I know he likes to come off as a straight shooter but dude just shut up! Don’t make it a bigger deal than it is. You would think Pineda was snorting coke in the clubhouse the way he was going on about it!

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Who threw what where under the bus?

  • ALZ

    At least you didn’t have to listen to the ESPN blather. Actually took them until the 3rd inning to mention the 2004 red sox team, and run through all the highlights. That was because they spent the first inning talking about Pineda’s lack of pine tar, and the 2nd talking about his pine tar.

  • Mickey Greene

    Lets actually evaluate Phelps’ performance, before call for his head as some are suggesting…

    Tonights line?
    IP H R ER BB SO
    ?2.0 3 2 0 3 4

    Pitches-strikes: 57-33
    ?Batters faced: 13

    YTD ERA 3.86
    ?IP H R ER BB SO?
    11.2 10 2 5 7 14

    Something we can all agree on is that he didn’t have his best stuff tonight

    1. All things remain the same except Jeter throws out Dustin Pedroia to lead off the inning. Pedroia doesn’t score on Napoli’s ground rule double, nor does Ortiz score on the wild pitch because Holt never comes to the plate. Last but not least Phelps doesn’t have to throw an additional 12 pitches that inning

    2. Few balls where hit hard, Napoli’s double was part luck, and part inexperience on Gardner

    3. He entered the game mid count, on a cold night in an opposing ballpark

    4. He’s also human…

    • Yangeddard Solarte

      Couldn’t have said it better myself, brother. BGDP was put in a tough spot tonight and he did the best he could. It was Pineda’s stupidity that led to this situation. And Jeter didn’t help matters.

  • Zach

    Let’s face it.. last night Boston’s shoddy defense cost them, tonight it was us.

  • Wayne

    May the Good Lord Help Pineda figuré Out a legit way to better grip the ball. God Bless You Senor Pineda!

  • Yankeefan91

    i see major league baseball changing this dumb rule after a big tragedy and thats sad why not change it now when you no the reason players use it is for grip.

    • n0exit

      MLB wants to increase offense from this historicle low. It will not change the double standard.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    I thought both Cashman and Girardi were excellent in their post-game interview. There’s been a couple of media hiccups in the past couple of years, but this was both of them at their finest. Team responsibility. Be upset, but hang your guy out to dry. He’s still your guy. This is why I’m a fan of this franchise.

    I thought Farrell was excellent as well in his interview. Did what he had to do, but you could tell he felt bad for Pineda in doing it. Class acts on both sides of the dugout tonight.

    I really hope Pineda learns his lesson here. He has amazing potential and is lucky to be able to pitch at the level he is to start his season. He doesn’t need any of this. This was an incredibly dumb thing to do to himself and to his team.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      but DON’T hang your guy out to dry. DON’T.

      • Larry B

        Cashman made it a bigger deal than it was. So yes in a way he hung Pineda out to dry. I disagree.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          How did he make it a bigger deal? I don’t follow.

          • Larry B

            “This is a terrible situation that we witnessed that we’re all a part of and that we have ownership of. Obviously there is clearly a breakdown or a failure that he walked out of that dugout with something like that. It’s just not a good situation.”

            • Jorge Steinbrenner

              See, I think that’s a perfect example of balancing personal and group responsibility. Here’s where I disagree with you on what you quoted:

              “This is a terrible situation that we witnessed that we’re all a part of and that we have ownership of.”

              Right there, Cashman generalized the problem and entered himself into it. That’s what good leaders do, and it’s something that folks on here call him out upon over and over on things such as player development. He wasn’t even in the vicinity of Michael Pineda at this time, but he’s first to take responsibility because it happened under his watch. That actually helps to shield Pineda a bit.

              “Obviously there is clearly a breakdown or a failure that he walked out of that dugout with something like that. It’s just not a good situation.”

              There was, and I think many people are arguing just that on here when they ask how Girardi or Rothschild or whoever else didn’t notice. I’m not really joining in that but, again, Cashman made sure to frame this as a systemic issue. This is what a leader should do.

              It isn’t a good situation. I don’t even mind the use of the word “terrible.” It’s terrible that a young pitcher’s career gets clouded by this. It’s terrible for the team’s reputation. It’s terrible. I don’t see how putting that out there throws Michael Pineda under the bus.

    • Yangeddard Solarte

      Farrell was definitely not a class act. Girardi was but Farrell says nothing when his guys do it. He tried to rationalize it, well it was so obvious we had to but his guys were obvious too. Farrell should expect CC to put one in Papi’s ear tomorrow.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Go play with your toys, Eddard.

      • WhittakerWalt

        What did Ortiz do to warrant getting a baseball in his ear?

        • George Mitchell

          Steroids.

        • jgibs

          What DOESN’T he do?? This incident aside, Big Sloppy deserves a plunking or 7 more than anyone else in the league.

    • n0exit

      They were a little over the top in my opinion. I mean statements like we talked to him but he didn’t get it and I would want my manager to do what Farrell did were uneccessary IMO. should have just stuck with error of judgment. Didn’t need the players to comment on it either. They did throw pineda under the bus a little.

      • TWTR

        I didn’t like Cashman calling it terrible. Really, terrible? That is goofy.

        • vicki

          i agree, but girardi was tone-perfect. i was pretty blue about the whole episode myself, and he even made me feel better. i’ll try to remember this on the occasion of the next weird bunt.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Haven’t seen any of the player comments yet. Interesting.

    • n0exit

      Also how can you say he doesn’t need any of this. He clearly needs pine tar to grip the ball. We know pineda should have been ejected but a little retaliation wouldn’t have bothered me. Stand up for your guy, yea it was too obvious but the Sox do it pretty obviously too and you don’t see anyone else complaining. There should be a cost to the Sox for complaining so that next time, maybe in the playoffs when its not as obvious they know that there complaints have ramifications. Also don’t buy this Farrell felt bad junk. If he really felt bad he would have stayed in the dugout.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Bullshit.

        The Sox did nothing wrong here. Pineda broke the rules. Retaliation would be one of most bush league things I think I’d ever see in baseball. I’d instantly lose respect for any player retaliating.

        Retaliation would have been winning the game last night. They didn’t do so.

        • Eric Solomon

          I almost never comment, though I lurk all the time. But this is just 100% spot on. How could the Sox have NOT done something AGAIN? They’d have looked like idiots. Pineda was the idiot.

          • RetroRob

            Yup.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Thank you, Eric.

        • n0exit

          I’m not saying the Sox did anything wrong, but why shouldn’t girardi get lackey checked? Because of some subjective obviousness criteria Farrell invented? I don’t think they should hit anyone but little things like getting them checked, stepping out of the batters box when the pitcher is ready is all fair game. Don’t need to be such pushovers.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            I didn’t see the Lackey part, as I had switched over to the Heat game by then. I can’t say much about that.

            We have to separate here, though. What John Lackey potentially did and what Joe Girardi didn’t do is one thing. What Michael Pineda did is another.

            The best thing the team could have done to undo the Pineda damage was win last night. Anything else is a phyrric victory.

    • Larry B

      Actually pine tar helps. It helps you grip the damn ball when it’s too cold. I don’t think guys should abuse it, but the rule should be a little more flexible. It’s a dumb old rule. Pineda I’ll admit was an idiot for being so obvious about it. It was like he had a big sign with blinkers on.

  • TWTR

    As is the case with other MLB rules, enforcement is absurdly selective.

    It was definitely an error in judgment, but since it’s apparent that many players’ and managers’ opinions on the issue range from indifference to actually preferring that pitchers do something to enhance their grip so batters don’t get hurt, I can’t get too worked up about what Pineda did even though the way he did it was comically stupid.

  • Dr. Grenaldine

    This Tom Verducci article is a pretty great one to shut most people up. Especially Red Sox fans.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.c.....tt-harvey/

    • nyguy

      Excellent article and very apropos!

  • DGeezy

    Too bad this couldnt happen to Ivan Nova instead

    umpire: hey what are you doing with this pine tar?!

    nova: im using it to hold together my elbow ligament

  • Yangeddard Solarte

    I thought Farrell was in the wrong. He knows guys do this and his own guys do it so he never should have went out there in the first place. He tried to rationalize it by saying that it was so obvious but others have been obvious, including his own guys, and he’s done nothing. Girardi was a class act like always. You can always count on Girardi to do the right thing, Farrell not so much.

  • nyguy

    Seriously, the ‘everybody does it’ argument aside, with all the experience in the Yankee dugout, how could they let Pineda walk out to the mound with pine tar clearly visible on his neck, especially after his last start? Not just dumb on Pineda’s part but poor judgment by Girardi and/or the coaching staff as well.

    • TWTR

      Why would they have any reason to look at his neck?

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Vampires.

      • nycsportzfan

        He’d have to get it on there without anyone seeing it, and why woulden’t they of talked to him in the past wk about hiding it anyway?

        The coaches are alittle to blame in this.

  • Mister D

    I would feel very bad if Pineda has poor grip next time out against Boston and hits Pedroia right in the dick with a fastball. Like 94, right off the dick. And then he’d check his slippery fingertips and think “man, that’s too bad, I wish I had a better grip and that didn’t happen”. But he won’t mean it. He’s glad it happened. He was teaching them a lesson. Understand?

  • Bronx Boy

    “Lots of nonsense talk that had nothing to do with the game . . .”

    A Kay booth always rambles and pontificates about nothing. I think he thinks baseball is boring.

    • jim p

      Exactly. Haven’t had cable for a couple of years, but I still remember thinking: this guy wants to talk about anything except the actual game of this moment. Unless something big happens that he can’t ignore. Balls, strikes, the batter’s name, any history between the batter/pitcher, the game situation… he doesn’t care.

      He is bored out of his mind by baseball games. And the constant scratching for controversy, and never putting it down once he’s latched onto something, is part of that boredom. Horrible announcer.

      • Kenny

        Agree. It goes back, probably, to his reporter days in New York City, where competition among the papers and broadcast media demands controversy. (New York? hell it’s the American Way nowadays.) He also seems to have some sense of himself as more a “reporter,” speaking “truth to power” (that tedious cliche), than an employee of the Yankees paid to broadcast their games. Remember his behavior when ARod came back last season.

    • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

      such a big difference btwn Kay and Singleton.

      Kenny is a pleasure to listen to. And I like how he does extended Q&As on blogs like RAB

  • Wilson

    I hate the constant “I just don’t understand why they would do this” from Michael Kay (and John Sterling). I get that he isn’t familiar with shifts and probably is not comfortable with them since he tends towards old school ideas. But he’s basically admitting every time that as a professional broadcaster, he can’t take two seconds to ask anybody (Even Girardi, or any of the coaches or players, I’m not asking him to go to a saber conference or anything here) to explain some of the moves to him. I don’t mind if a broadcaster doesn’t agree with the shift, but he clearly makes zero effort to have anything useful to say about it.

    • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

      Is there a reason why they were swinging at everything Lackey was throwing?

      I was impressed last night how Ellsbury worked a tough 8 pitch AB against Lester, then tonight, he swings at Lackey’s very first pitch.

      I don’t get, what happened?

      Tex frigging struck out 4 times on only 13 pitches.

  • Yankeefan91

    im getting pretty pissed at red sox fans making fun of pineda was it dumb to make it obvious yes but pinetar Doesnt make a fastball go faster or make a breaking ball break more. pinetar is used to grip a bat and pitcher use it to get a grip on the ball might as well banned it from baseball.

  • Rolling Doughnut

    Tomorrow: CC Strong.

    • nycsportzfan

      Agreed. Speaking of CC, for someone whos fastball is down, hes still striking guys out. Hes k’d six or more in every start so far.

      We’ve done pretty well off Doubrount so far in his career as well. Tomorrow we get back in the win column.

  • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

    yes, smearing goo on your long neck is dumb. There are better ways to do it.

    That said, I’ve seen the Sox and Farrell do a lot of dumb stuff out in the open, even under the biggest spot lights, without repercussion.

    Even tonight, with the spot light on, Lackey had the nerve to put something (pine tar, sunscreen) on the back of his wrist. Even MLB pointed out. But, it’s okay if you’re Boston.

    • Yankeefan91

      do you have a link where mlb pointed out lackey had it ? so i can shove it up some red sox fans who are harassing me about pineda.

    • n0exit

      I thought it was in the hat. There was one breaking ball where he struck out ellsbury when he went to the hat before throwing it. He was being a lot more discrete than usual though.

  • J Ferro

    Yankees Suck!

    • WhittakerWalt

      Come back when you’ve won 28 championships.

    • your mom

      What’s up with all these outside trolls?

      • Michahiro Pinaka

        OTM spillover thread?

  • vicki

    i see a young, simple guy who struggled a bit the first inning and made an emotional decision, in an effort to hold it together for his team. his post-game broke my heart. it dawns on me that some people are so unwitting and naive it may be a little cruel to mock their intellects.

    • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

      Right. Ya know, Kenny Rogers did the same thing in a World Series game and nobody called him dumb.

      http://i.a.cnn.net/si/multimed.....ogers3.jpg

      Gaylord Perry used to put the vaseline on his face and they called him willy.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I get what you’re saying, vicki, but I do think that the majors are a perfectly fine place to hold someone accountable for their naïveté (thank you, Autocorrect. Sometimes you come through.) Naive or not, I do think his decision was quite dumb and if, as he says, he panicked and did this on his own (which I do believe,) then it may bring up questions to me as to how connected he feels to his teammates.

      The decision was dumb and, in moments of fan frustration, that’s going to be extrapolated to him being dumb. In many, many ways, I’m sure Michael Pineda is the furthest thing from dumb.

  • Cheval Anonyme

    Thursday’s Yangervis Solarte Anagram of the Day:

    “Oily Tar Graveness”

    • vicki

      it’s getting pretty freakin mystical.

  • Dan Finn

    Michael Pineda will be another Carl Pavano. The exception being he will actually pitch more innings than Pavano did as a Yankee.He doesn’t even know how to wear his cap correctly. He simply must feel since he has been given the opportunity to wear a uniform of the New York Yankees that he is entitled to something. Why is Brian Cashman still the GM ? Why isn’t Tony Pena the manager ?Why must I wait another year for a World Series title?

    • DT

      This makes no sense. He used pine tar to get a grip on the ball on a cold night…something pitchers do all the time when it gets colds. This somehow equates a young cheap pitcher who has been pitching well so far to an overpaid often injured aging pitcher. Yea good comparison there.

      • DT

        Oh yea hey we’re like 1 month into the season. Time to give up our WS hopes because one of our young pitchers made a mental mistake!

    • FIPster Doofus

      “He doesn’t even know how to wear his cap correctly.”

      There’s no “correct” way to wear a cap.

      “Why is Brian Cashman still the GM ? Why isn’t Tony Pena the manager ?Why must I wait another year for a World Series title?”

      Why did I read this post?

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Thank you, especially on the first line.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Oaktag

  • forensic

    You know what they say: “We only catch the dumb ones.”

  • Deep Thoughts

    So – the dude only threw around 40 pitches, and he’s probably going to get some time off. Any reason Pineda can’t pitch a few relief innings tomorrow? Appeal his suspension if need be?

    • forensic

      Other than the fact that you’re throwing him back out to the wolves, you’re risking injury one day after starting, and that he apparently can’t throw a baseball without having some part of his body look like Jorge Posada’s helmet, no there’s no reason he can’t pitch in relief tomorrow.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Wayne would lose his shit.

  • Michahiro Pinaka

    I realize it seems hypocritical of the Sox to complain about Pineda, considering Buchholz walks around looking like he just finished giving Big Papi a prostate exam, but Pineda didn’t really give Farrell a choice. If you take the mound with your neck looking like George Brett’s baseball bat, of course the other team will say something. It’s just too obvious to ignore. What I think will be interesting, is how the Sox will handle Buchholz the next time he pitches against NY.

    • King George

      I agree with this. Pineda gave Farrell no choice. It was painstakingly obvious. Let’s also not forget Lester and the Vaseline he has a propensity to hold in his glove.

  • Guest

    How quickly the baseball world comes to the rescue of Lester and crucifies Pineda. Although it was pretty painfully obvious, I hope this starts a substance war between Farrell and Girardi. http://bleacherreport.com/arti.....-on-game-1

  • 461deep

    Do not believe that Pine Tar just helps a pitcher’s grip. It also affects the pitch since that is what a better grip allows when he uses it. Control, break, height etc. Similar reason why cars use snow tires. MLB believes this is an unfair advantage but not a limited amount on bats. Pineda will survive this when his certain suspension ends. Team down 2 starters until early May now as he’ll probably miss 2 starts. Jeter did not look good out there. Glaring inability to make routine plays unless ball hit right to him. CC should be good tomorrow.

    • Guest

      Pine tar helps get a better grip and control. It probably has the least advantage, if any. Other slicker substances like spit, sunscreen, or vaseline affect the break of a pitch.

    • n0exit

      nless you have some actual evidence of this I’m going to stick with what actual major leaguers say. Secondly, MLB doesn’t want to provide any assistance to pitchers because of the extremely low offense around. Thirdly, if getting a better grip of the ball is an unfair advantage then so should getting a better grip of the bat.

    • Amelia

      Yeah anyone who thinks “Oh it’s just helping the grip” is a fucking idiot.

      NO actually it makes the ball do things so that it is tougher to hit. It’s cheating plain and simple. Justifying it does not erase that it’s cheating.

      • n0exit

        So all those major leaguers are just lying because?… Yea get over yourself buddy the only idiot here is you.

      • Yankeefan91

        Yea the only idiot is you as I stated below Major League Baseball Muds baseball for grip how is that any different from pinetar ? The whole point of pinetar is for gripping purposes.

      • Larry B

        It doesn’t make the ball do anything. It really just helps grip the ball better. It’s not like scuffing the ball.

    • Yankeefan91

      You must not have played baseball in your life if u think pinetar does sumthing to a baseball do you no Major League Baseball muds there baseball they should make that illegal to do pitchers don’t get a grip that’s the same reason pinetar around to get a better grip. If major league can midd there baseball I don’t understand why using pinetar to get a grip as well is illegal.

  • Kosmo

    Lackey and the Yankee relievers had very little difficulty gripping the ball on a cold night.

    How is this going to affect Pineda for the remainder of the season?
    Hitters will try to unnerve him by wanting the ump to check the ball time and time again and opposing managers will stop the action because they thought they saw some substance glistening on his skin.

    Yanks are off to a good start now they have to deal with this nonsense. Let´s hope it doesnt cost NY anything in the long run.
    Pineda a million dollar arm ten cent brain. It´s all on him. None of the other veteran pitchers talked to him about the best way to conceal pine tar on his person ? Dumber than dumb. Like Mike said WTF Big Mike.

    • n0exit

      Lackey had something on his arm pictures are all over twitter. Also different pitchers have different grips so it doesn’t affect them much.

      • Kosmo

        Concealment is key. Pineda was foolish to think a foreign substance placed on his neck !!! wouldn´t be detected by the camera or the naked eye. He´s utterly naive to think otherwise.

        I haven´t seen the Lackey video so you´re one up on me.

        • n0exit

          I agree on the concealment. But most pitchers use something, pineda isn’t the first or the last.

  • Mike

    Hulk Smash?

  • Mick taylor

    John Kennedy said life is unfair. Farrell cheated in Toronto stealing signs, buckholz has been using substances, no red sox in Mitchell report and baseball’s biggest cheater, mr peds David Ortiz is never prosecuted for his peds use.

  • dalelama

    I never realized how many idiots post on this site until I read all the posts attacking Farrell for our pitcher being a cheating moron and the rest of the team being asleep at the wheel. Homerism is remarkable in how eat destroys human brain tissue. It reminds me of the old Geroge Carlin routine:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8rh6qqsmxNs

  • RetroRob

    Have only been able to watch the first inning of the last two games as I’m 6 hours ahead time zone wise this week. Sorry I missed Tanaka, but not that I missed pinetar gate, part deux.

    I think we saw in Pineda’s first inning why pitchers use some assistance to better grip the ball on cold (and windy) nights. Lackey had something, too, but better at hiding it as seemingly are most MLB pitchers. Why in the world Pineda would put a glob of goo on his neck is a mystery since it would be picked up.

    I really thought one of the other pitchers — or the pitching coach –would have provided him with a few tips on how the other hip boys and girls hide their stuff. In that, one can argue the Yankees coaching staff failed. If everyone is using it, why aren’t they teaching him?

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Again, his interview made me feel as if this is a guy who may be a bit isolated in that locker room.

      • RetroRob

        I didn’t see it, but that would be interesting.

  • Pot

    Nice to meet you kettle.

  • Patrick

    How fucking stupid are our Manager/Coaches for letting Pineda trot out there with that shit on his neck? Especially after what transpired the last time Pineda pitched vs Boston.

    Pineda is getting a lot of heat…deservedly so.

    But what about Girardi/Rothchild? Are they brain dead? That was embarrassing and could have been avoided if they had a clue.

    Can’t believe no Yankee player or coach noticed the big blob on his neck and let him make a fool of himself. That is almost worse than what Pineda did. Embarrassing. Idiots!

    • Andrew J.

      Agree. Announcers in the ESPN booth in the first inning are talking about grip problems, and after all that happened the last start, Girardi, Rothchild, and McCann, nobody doubled checked with Pineda to make sure he wasn’t going out there doing something stupid? Did you notice Girardi did not come out there when the umpire came out there to check and then toss Pineda? Why not? All these decades of experience with the braintrust, Pena included, and nobody protected the guy from his own stupidity? Management failed here, plain and simple.
      AJ

      • Larry B

        I agree.

  • pinedamaybegreata (formerly Monterowasdinero)

    Just one more wrinkle on the Pineda/Montero trade…. these 2 guys have tons of talent but very little of it is between their ears. Agree with Girardi/Rothschild’s total stupidity in not seeing the pine tar issue before he went out to pitch the second…

    Why does Gardner play RF? First time ever and it’s at Fenway? Is Soriano that bad or can’t he sit in favor of Suzuki who easily makes that catch that Gardy muffed? Gardner should play left in Fenway.

    The ball always seems to find the guy out of position….

    Was Jeter out of position too? You can argue he is now in every game….

  • Coolerking101

    I don’t think I’ve seen anyone note this, but I was watching this game on ESPN at the gym. The ESPN cameras were the FIRST to pick up the pine tar. They picked up on it shortly after Pineda came out for the 2nd inning. They then zoomed in on the Boston GM in his booth and wondered aloud what he was going to do. They basically called out the Red Sox on national TV to do go after Pineda. The Sox got shamed into it.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Farrell did not seem like a guy who was chomping at the bit to embarrass Pineda in his post-game interview.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Admittedly off-topic, but I’d just forget if I had to wait until later.

    Very cool stuff.

    http://www.nytimes.com/interac......html?_r=0

    • jgibs

      I can’t tell if those are Cardinals, Rangers, or Sox fans up there in Alaska. And no Angels fans anywhere in southern CA?? Interesting

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        You can search by zip code. It’s awesome.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          Here’s some damning for South Florida. It immediately switches over to Yankees once you leave Miami-Dade County. Those Tuesday night televised games in the 80’s created a LOT of fans.

      • Giancarlo Murphy

        It’s not “no Angels fans,” it’s just “no ZIP codes with a plurality of Angels fans.” It could be 29% dodgers and 28% angels in Anaheim and it would show all Dodger blue.

        I think the graphic overemphasizes small majorities for the sake of a pretty heat map.

        I’d also like to see that chart overlaid with the contractual boundaries for the TV deals with all the RSNs. My hunch is the majority of people will be fans of whatever team is on TV every night:

        http://sports.yahoo.com/news/h.....55588.html

  • swo

    Interesting way to keep his innings down. Unconventional but effective!

    • Larry B

      I’d rather a guy who is hot and pitching really well stay active. Nothing like in-game work.