Jun
21

Game 73: Tino’s Day

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I was still pumped about Carlos Beltran‘s walk-off homer when I woke up this morning. I doubt I was alone. That was so awesome, easily the Yankees’ best win of the season and probably their best since Raul Ibanez was doing his thing in late 2012. The Bombers have now won four straight games — all against division rivals in direct competition for the AL East crown — and eight of their last ten. Things are going well right now.

Before the Yankees try to extend the winning streak to five, they will honor Tino Martinez and unveil his plaque in Monument Park this afternoon. Goose Gossage and Paul O’Neill will be receiving plaques of their own later this season. Tino spent seven years in pinstripes and I always felt he was more of an excellent complementary player than a core piece, but he did have one MVP caliber year (1997) and a bunch of other enormous moments with the Yankees. He was clearly a key component of the late-1990s dynasty.

I’m not sure what time the ceremony begins, but I’m guessing sometime around 12:30-12:45pm ET. That’s usually when this stuff happens. Here is the Orioles lineup and here is the Yankees lineup for this afternoon’s game:

  1. LF Brett Gardner
  2. SS Derek Jeter
  3. CF Jacoby Ellsbury
  4. 1B Mark Teixeira
  5. DH Carlos Beltran
  6. 3B Kelly Johnson
  7. 2B Brian Roberts
  8. RF Ichiro Suzuki
  9. C Frankie Cervelli
    LHP Vidal Nuno

It’s a perfect afternoon for baseball in New York. Blue skies, almost no clouds, and warm but not overwhelmingly hot. Great day to be out at the park. First pitch is scheduled for 1:05pm ET and you can watch on YES locally and MLB Network nationally. I’m not sure if MLBN will show the Tino ceremony. Enjoy the game.

Injury Updates: CC Sabathia (knee) threw a 36-pitch bullpen session today and will travel to Tampa to continue his rehab tomorrow. The plan is to throw live batting practice on Tuesday and pitch in a minor league rehab game next Saturday … David Huff (foot) had precautionary x-rays after being hit in the foot by a comebacker last night. Everything came back clean and he is available today.

Categories : Game Threads
  • Frankie Cerveddardi

    Vidal Nuno’s start is normally the automatic L but there’s a lot of positive energy floating around the stadium right now. The return of Frankie gave the team a shot in the arm and now Tino’s magic returns for a day. They might have a chance today.

    I know they won’t lose tomorrow in Tanaka’s start on Old Timer’s Day so a win today would give us two sweeps against our biggest rivals.

    • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

      4 of his last 6 starts he has allowed fewer than 1 run for every 2 innings he threw, thats a #5 starter for you.

  • 28 this year

    Too bad Nuno’s pitching today.

  • CountryClub

    From that Tino video, those awkward fist pumps as O’Neill is rounding the bases always crack me up.

  • OldYanksFan

    I feel like the Yanks are pretty free and easy giving ‘awards’ to many of the Dynasty guys. Tino was a fan favorite, but as a 1Bman, he posted one excellent year, one very good year, and 4 years stattling Average. I enjoyed him when he played…. but he certainly doesn’t come near ‘great’ or even all star caliber.

    About 2.5 bWar/yr for Tino as a Yankee.
    Slightly above average.
    Is that Plaque worthy?

    • Frankie Cerveddardi

      He was a key piece of that late 90s dynasty. I think all those guys should have plaques – Jorgie, Andy, Torre, Paulie, Coney. Jeter and Mo will have monuments since they are 1st ballot HOFers.

      • CountryClub

        I’m fine with everyone you mentioned. I do think Tino is the biggest stretch out of that group, though.

      • Rolling Doughnut

        No. OldYank is right.

    • CountryClub

      Not in my mind. But whatever, they can do what they want.

      • Yankee Fan 1

        Only yankee fans would complain that they honor too many people. Who cares!! If the plaque offends you that much, don’t go to see it in monument park

        • CountryClub

          Are you replying to the right person? I clearly stated they could do what they wanted to do.

          • Yankee Fan 1

            I was just responding to the original post on the thread, not to you. Sorry!

        • Yankee$

          I don’t know about that. Do you want a Wall Of Fame out there or do you want a Team Registry?

    • Paisa

      Nope. Probably not. But hey, you gotta make money… http://riveraveblues.com/2014/.....ay-105064/

      • trr

        Spot on.

    • Kentucky Ed

      There are at least 15 Yankees with longer service to the club and more rings without plaques. Crosetti, Bauer, Henrich, McDougald, Raschi, even Houk and Silvera. The ownership is trying to connect with, and sell tickets and merchandise to, the generation that thinks it all started with the Torre era, but without the bunch that won 15 WS in 16 appearances (1927-1953) the brand wouldn’t have the luster it does.

      • Kenny

        This is the correct position.

        Another name from that period: Charlie Keller. Did Joe Gordon ever get memorialized?

        In any case, I have to admit that complaining about Tino is a lost cause. Too many people think the world is new because they are new in the world.

    • M&M Boys

      Great for Tino, but are the Yankees going to honor every good player they’ve had since 1996 in monument park? What about all the really good players of the 20s, 30s, 40s, 50s, & early 60s that won tons of AL & WS championships. Babe & Lou’s teammates Earle Combs, Waite Hoyt, Herb Pennock, and Tony Lazzeri are all in the Hall of Fame. What about them? Yankee history didn’t begin in 1996.

  • TheRealGreg

    Nuno is pretty close to an automatic loss here, but prior to last start, he pitched to a 3.60 ERA in his last 5 starts. So maybe there is a sliver of hope for them here.

    • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

      People are acting like he is facing Felix. Norris sucks, they have a decent chance.

      • TheRealGreg

        Norris is their best starting pitcher right now. Which might not being saying much, but is still fair.

        • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

          Doesn’t say much. More than half his starts he has given up at least 3 runs. They are fighting uphill, but no way is it close to automatic loss.

  • CountryClub

    Yanks come into the game tied with KC for most AL stolen bases. And in one less game too.

    • trr

      If the power game isn’t there, you’ve gotta compensate somehow….

  • CountryClub

    Seems that when Nuno struggles he usually starts off rough in the 1st. So let’s see what he has today….

  • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

    People are ridiculously down on Nuno. 4 of his last starts he has given up 1 run or less per every 2 innings. He isn’t great, but this game far from over, that is an adequate #8 starter.

    • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

      4 of last 6.

    • Rolling Doughnut

      So at least he puts up a 0 in the second.

    • WhittakerWalt

      You were saying?

  • Yankee$

    Ouch

  • Dr. Martin van Nostrand

    and here I was thinking that Vidal Nuno would have no problem keeping Jones, Cruz, and Davis in the ballpark today…

  • http://Riveravenueblues Marty L

    What former United States senator made baseball history 50 years ago today, June 21, 1964, Fathers Day,at Shea Stadium?

    • Paisa

      Bobby Kennedy?

      • Paisa

        Nevermind, it was Jim Bunning

        • Paisa

          Who was succeeded as a Senator from Kentucky by the politician who I’m sure is a fan favorite around these parts.

        • http://Riveravenueblues Marty L

          Good Paisa. Good to know somebody here close to my age.:)

          • Paisa

            I’m guessing that’s not very true.

  • TheRealGreg

    This is going to be a bullpen day.

  • SevenAces

    He crushed that one…

    C’mon man… Finish the inning.

  • Paisa

    Great job, Nuno. I can live with 1st inning solo shots.

    • SevenAces

      It’s going to be a tightrope act today.

    • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

      Right. He is a flyball pitcher, if they can just try and limit baserunners they should have a chance.

      • Rolling Doughnut

        Didn’t work to well for Phlying Balls Phil though.

  • Frankie Cerveddardi

    Horrible jump for Gardy. Just awful. Wasted the walk.

    • Rolling Doughnut

      Gotta go with Jeter batting though.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        Meh, in general I agree, but I didn’t really like the timing of that attempt.
        Norris hadn’t thrown a stike yet, so why chance giving a way an out until he shows he can throw a strike.
        Also, that was pretty much an automatic take situation fpr Jeter, making an easier for the catcher to throw on fastball down the middle the most likely pitch attempted.

        • TheRealGreg

          Ironic in the sense that people criticize Gardner for taking his time in stealing a bag and this time, he may have went too early

        • Rolling Doughnut

          I really meant to write at some point. Your analysis makes sense though.

  • Need Pitching & Hitting

    Take a strike, please.

    • TheRealGreg

      He did.

      • Need Pitching & Hitting

        Yes, I’m watching.

  • Paisa

    Welp Norris pretty obviously didn’t stop there. Will they eventually call the balk? Or are they going to let him quick pitch us all day?

  • TheRealGreg

    Stat to know right there. Caleb Joseph: Thrown out 9 of 19 basestealers

  • TopChuckie

    Someone mentioned in last night’s thread about the O’s futility in their black shirts and today they are wearing the Orange that Kay says they never wear on the road. That begs the questions, why did they have the orange shirts in New York or did someone drive them up from Baltimore just because of superstition?

  • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

    CY Nuno making you all eat your words.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

  • Frankie Cerveddardi

    Frankie’s back, folks, and the rest of the AL East is in trouble. 1-1 since returning from the DL and the club hasn’t lost either.

    • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

      He brings all the intangibles.

  • hummerman

    Shitty stuff, mediocre command. How can a guy like that start for the Yankees..

  • Frankie Cerveddardi

    Nuno is just awful. I can’t believe they don’t have a better option than this. They have no chance with him on the mound.

  • Mr. FB

    Vidal NonopleasenonotNunoanybodybutNuno

  • BigBlueAL

    Nuno makes me miss Darrell Rasner.

    • Mr. FB

      I’d take Sidney Ponson.

      • Preston

        I always like a fat pitcher.

  • Need Pitching & Hitting

    Bombs, bombs, and more bombs.

  • hummerman

    How can you be serious about winning and have players like Nuno.. he wouldnt start in any MLB team

    • sdjohn

      Remember, this guy is the 7th or 8th starter. I don’t think the Yanks planned on having him pitch every 5th day for this long of a period.

  • MP

    Just no shot at winning every fifth day.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      He does suck, but they’re 5-6 in his starts so far this year.

      Not exactly no shot at winning.

    • Derek Jeter

      your not winning many games with any pitcher if the team only scores once.

  • Frankie Cerveddardi

    And that’s the ballgame. Why this man is still in the rotation I’ll never know. Automatic Loss.

    • Axis of Mike

      I think it’s easy to know, isn’t it? He’s there because they don’t have a better option for now while CC and/or Pineda can return. The team is still competing, so why would they do anything crazy to fix the problem? Still, I expect we won’t see Vidal around much longer.

  • sdjohn

    If Nuno goes out every 5th day, it continues to put a ton of pressure on our other 4 starters. We don’t really have any internal options to step in. It’s like you plan to lose when he starts, like you plan on winning Tanaka’s. C’mon offense.

  • YesWeMcCann

    When does the game start? Orioles batting practice is going on forever.

  • Mr. FB

    We don’t need no stinking momentum. Good thing Tanaka pitches tomorrow.

  • Paisa

    Yes, Michael Kay, CC Sabathia and David Price would look nice in this rotation.

  • Oy Vay !

    Brutal, brutal, brutal home plate ump.

  • Axis of Mike

    Yes, we can all state the obvious: Nuno is not cutting it. I think they’ll make a move on this problem soon. Meanwhile we have the best pitcher in the league, and, having lost 60% of our starters we have one rookie replacement killing it, one doing OK, and only one that is a washout. We are still very much in the hunt with our offense heating up and at least one of our wounded starters to return soon. I am not despairing yet for this season.

  • fred robbins

    5 runs again- before most people have had their second beer. This scares me into thinking the Yankees will soon give away someone good to get another pitcher. That they don’t have any other options just really sucks, and yes, I know- no one knew that CC and Nova and Pindea would be out with injuries. I would still rather see someone from AA or AAA take a few lumps while getting adjusted than seeing an independent league pitcher who is not worthy of a Major League team to continue to present the Yankees with a rally killing, streak killing start every time out. The other position players must look up to see him on the mound and press to score runs knowing that he will give up 5.

  • Frankie Cerveddardi

    I just don’t know why Adam Warren is still in that pen and Nuno is still in that rotation. The narrative sure has changed hasn’t it? All we heard when Joba and Hughes were moved to the rotation is that a good starter is more valuable than a reliever. Now it’s, don’t you dare touch Adam Warren, he’s too valuable as a reliever.

    • Paisa

      Correct. You’re narrative changes quite often.

  • Kosmo

    Nuno gets 5 more starts before the AS break. At that point Sabathia should be good to go. Maybe an unexpected trade is just around the corner.

    Warren stretched out would come at the expense of the bullpen. He would have to build up his innings and pitch counts.

    • Axis of Mike

      I’d almost bet Nuno won’t make all those starts but I have no idea what they’re gonna do, and neither, it seems, does anybody else.

      • Kosmo

        I don´t know the schedule but Girardi could skip 1 of his upcoming starts.

    • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

      3 more as far as I count. His next one falls on an off day so they can skip, then 7/1; 7/6; 7/11

  • Derek Jeter

    Our amazing offense is at it again!

    • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

      And that is the bigger culprit so far. People are whining about Nuno, but you have to score more than 1 run for your #5.

  • http://www.penuel-law.com/ Cuso

    Ichiro is pretty useless today

    • Kosmo

      useless is the operative word

  • Cmed21

    SAME.FUCKING.PITCH ICHIRO!!!

  • Kosmo

    Ramirez ??? This isn´t AAA

  • YankeeFan

    Remember when the Yankees had another under-the-radar lefty pitching prospect down in the minors pitching well? Yankees again keep the wrong lefty in Nuno and let Quintana walk who hasn’t missed a beat since coming to the Majors.

    • Need Pitching & Hitting

      It wasn’t an either/or situation.

  • Need Pitching & Hitting

    Awful call. Nothing new.

  • Paisa

    I can’t stop thinking about a possible Price trade. If you look at the deal that sent Dan Haren from Oakland to AZ in 2007 I think you can get a pretty good baseline of what it would take. At the time, Haren was 26 going on 27 and was a little less accomplished but also 2 years younger than Price is now.

    The A’s got a serious haul of six players back in that deal. Brett Anderson who was a 19 year old lefty already at High A. Chris Carter, a 20 year old who hit 25 home runs at High A. Aaron Cunningham, a 21 year old outfield semi-prospect who hit 16 home runs across A and AA ball. Dana Eveland, a 24 year old AAAA lefty with some promise. Carlos Gonzalez, a 22 year old with a sweet swing who damaged AA and earned a promotion to AAA at the end of the year. And, Greg Smith, a 23 year old lefty non-prospect who may have ended up in someone’s bullpen.

    Following that formula with the Yankees system I came up with something like this: Luis Severino(Anderson), Gary Sanchez(Carter), one of Mason Williams/Tyler Austin/Pete O’Brien(Cunningham), Bryan Mitchell/Shane Greene(Eveland), Aaron Judge(CarGo), Jeremy Bleich(Greg Smith).

    That seems like too much, although if you look back on the trade the DBacks actually did pretty well for themselves. Anderson showed promise with Oakland but could never stay healthy. Carter basically flamed out. And CarGo is an awesome player but it’s not like Haren didn’t give the DBacks value. He was very very good for them for 2.5 years.

    Whether or not to deal for Price basically comes down to Judge for me, and I would hate to give him up. But the Rays aren’t stupid, and he is definitely the kind of talent they will be looking to obtain in any potential Price trade. The Yankees do have 2/3 of the outfield locked up for at least 3 years after this, so maybe you can afford to do it. Ultimately, I think a Price trade would take less than the package that went from AZ to Oakland in 2007, but Aaron Judge will still probably have to be in there.

    • Kosmo

      I think Hammel is the way to go.

    • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

      And Haren was also not as good a pitcher as price, by quite a bit. I wouldn’t do that trade, this team is having trouble staying young, and you want to but the entire top off the system? There really wouldn’t be anything left if you take Sanchez/Judge/Severino out, that is the 3 highest guys.

      • Paisa

        I have yet to reach a conclusion on this and I also don’t think you’d have to deal all 3 of those guys to get Price. I was just laying out the comparables from the players who were involved in the 07 Haren deal.

        Also, Dan Haren at that stage in his career was, you’re right not as good of a pitcher, but closer than you might think while also being 2 years younger than Price is now.

        • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

          Yes, Rays would require them, but I’m really not a fan. I realize sometimes it makes sense to make trades, but I really don’t like the idea of trading all the talent in the system for less than a year and half of team control of someone. Doing this is how you get stuck with Roberts/KJ/Solarte/Nuno. Find a long term solution, not empty everything for the here and now, and then you back to square 1.

          • Paisa

            I don’t get this reasoning. Roberts is here because they for whatever reason just let a future hall of famer walk away. Kj is here because the guy who should be the everyday 3b is serving an unjust suspension that was a result of illegally obtained evidence by an immoral commissioner (but let’s not go there). And Nuno is what happens when 60 percent of your rotation lands on the dl.

            • http://www.staggeringbeauty.com/ ALZ

              But at the same time arod/Cano would be $50MM more in payroll this year. Prospects are a big way to save money, while putting decent players on the field.

      • Paisa

        Price vs Haren by ERA+ ages 24-28:

        24 – 144 – 117
        25 – 108 – 108
        26 – 150 – 138
        27 – 115 – 138
        28 – 99 – 148

  • WhittakerWalt

    I’m just not going to listen when Nuno’s pitching. Enough is enough. I’m a good person, I don’t need this.

  • Need Pitching & Hitting

    So Nuno’s turn will not be skipped because of the off day…

    • TheRealGreg

      ..as of right now.

  • Mickey Scheister

    My love affair for Nuno has officially ended, dudes been awful recently.

  • TheRealGreg

    Hard for the offense to play when they were playing from behind from the beginning of the game.

    Nuno has to keep them in the game. Maybe the pressure gets to them later in the game.

    Nevertheless, we all knew this was coming.

  • fred robbins

    As someone stated above, a team has to score more than 1 run for their #5 starter– whatever the team, whomever the pitcher. They will have to score runs for CC as well once he is back. I don’t know who they could replace Nuno with in terms of skipping, because both Phelps and Whitley are probably on some kind of limit and for sure you don’t want to over tax Tanaka. It is quite the conundrum.

  • Oy Vay !

    Ok….. Ichiro’s a hell of an iconic player and class act, but he seems to be pretty much toast at this point. Dare I say that Zoilo Almonte might be a better option.

    • TheRealGreg

      He’s not toast. He’s better when he is a part time player.