Jun
04

Offense breaks out for two runs, Yankees lose 5-2 to Athletics anyway

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For the third straight game, the Yankees scored exactly two runs. That’s their daily allotment. Two runs certainly isn’t enough to beat the high-powered Athletics, who grabbed the series-opener by the score of 5-2 in ten innings on Tuesday night. The Yankees have lost three straight and have scored no more than three runs in all five games on the homestand.

(Elsa/Getty)

(Elsa/Getty)

I Guess The Wrist Is Healthy
The Yankees have been without Mark Teixeira for five and a half of their last seven games due to nagging soreness in his surgically repaired wrist. He received a cortisone shot over the weekend, was re-evaluated on Tuesday afternoon, and was back in the lineup Tuesday night. His impact was immediate.

The Yankees used one of their patented “three hits, one run” rallies in the first inning to jump out to an early lead. Brett Gardner singled through the right side of the infield, Jacoby Ellsbury singled on a line drive to shallow left, then Teixeira blooped a single into right to plate Gardner from second. It was the bloopiest bloop that ever blooped. Stayed just inside the line and out of the reach of two fielders. Perfectly placed for the quick one-zip lead.

Then, later in the game after the Athletics knotted things up at one, Teixeira hooked a very poorly located Scott Kazmir fastball into the visitor’s bullpen for a solo homer. His team-leading tenth dinger gave the Yankees a 2-1 lead in the sixth inning. The right wrist is the one that hurts, so it shouldn’t bother him too much batting right-handed. If it does, you couldn’t tell on Tuesday.

Kuroda Parties Like It’s April-July 2013
For at least one night, the good version of Hiroki Kuroda returned to Yankee Stadium. The slider was working, the splitter was working, and home plate umpire Chris Guccione had a nice big strike zone. Here’s the strike zone plot. That definitely helped. Kuroda allowed just one run — a solo homer by Brandon Moss, which happens — in 6.2 innings of work, though with his pitch count at 93, he could have easily finished the inning. Joe Girardi just didn’t want him facing Moss a third time. I don’t blame him.

(Elsa/Getty)

(Elsa/Getty)

Kuroda allowed only three base-runners all night: a Yoenis Cespedes single in the second, a Coco Crisp walk in the fourth, and the Moss homer in the fifth. Both Cespedes and Crisp were immediately erased by ground ball double plays. Kuroda threw seven of his 93 pitches from the stretch. That’s it. He struck out only two but recorded 15 other outs on the infield via pop-ups and ground balls. That’s what the good version of Kuroda does, he manages contact well and gets a lot of high-percentage outs on weakly hit balls in play. Does this mean he has turned the corner and will be better going forward? Who in the world knows. Kuroda was excellent on Tuesday. That’s all we know.

Don’t Do That Dellin
The Yankees had a golden opportunity to tack on another run or two after Dellin Betances struck out Moss to end the seventh inning. Scott Sizemore and John Ryan Murphy singled and walked, respectively, to put runners on first and second with no outs. Brendan Ryan tried to bunt them over, but he fouled a pitch off. For whatever reason, he never tried to bunt again. He struck out, Gardner struck out, and Derek Jeter flew out to end the rally. I don’t get it. It’s Brendan Ryan. He should be bunting in that situation even with two strikes.

Anyway, the insurance run never came, so Betances went back out for the eighth inning. He started the inning innocently enough with a weak ground out and a strikeout, but then Dr. Dellin showed up and Mr. Betances was nowhere to be found. Betances walked Alberto Callaspo before leaving a total meatball of a fastball out over the plate for Stephen Vogt, who lined a double into the gap to score Callaspo all the way from first to tie the game at two. It was a terrible pitch. After getting three outs on eleven pitches, Betances threw 13 to Callaspo and Vogt. It was the first run he allowed in 9.1 innings and the first non-homer run he allowed in 16.1 innings.

The A’s tried to give this game to the Yankees, but the Yankees just didn’t want to take it. Not only did they blow that two on, no outs situation in the seventh, but they couldn’t get Ellsbury in after he drew a four-pitch walk to leadoff the eighth. Teixeira struck out, Yangervis Solarte grounded out, and Ichiro Suzuki flew out. Ellsbury stole second during Solarte’s at-bat — he didn’t run earlier because they would have walked Teixeira, and the Yankees need him to hit — and was eventually stranded at third. This goes here.

(Elsa/Getty)

(Elsa/Getty)

Leftovers
David Robertson pitched for the first time since his meltdown on Sunday, and, unsurprisingly, he was totally fine. His psyche was not shattered. He threw a perfect ninth inning on 13 pitches. It was Adam Warren‘s turn to cough it up, however, and he surrendered three runs in the top of the tenth. An absolute missile of a solo homer by Moss to lead off the inning was the only run that really mattered. So, within the last three games, each of Girardi’s key late-inning relievers blew up. Maybe throwing multiple innings every other day last month is catching up to them.

Teixeira was the only player in the lineup with two hits. His homer was the only extra-base hit as well. The Yankees have exactly one extra-base hit in three straight games. Gardner, Ellsbury, Solarte, Sizemore, and pinch-hitter Brian McCann had singles. Ellsbury, Solarte, and Murphy all drew walks. Ten base-runners in ten innings is good, right? Michael Kay said a 1.00 WHIP was good during the broadcast.

This was probably the infield’s best defensive game of the season. Sizemore made two nice plays (one to turn a double play, one jumping to field a chopper), Ryan made a few nice plays (one jumping to snag a liner), and both Solarte and Teixeira were solid as well. It was really refreshing to see. The infield has been a nightmare this year.

So far this year the Yankees are averaging 3.70 runs per game at home and 4.47 runs per game on the road. That’s a pretty huge difference. Maybe they should offer to swap ballparks with the Mets. This offense is much more suited for a large pitcher’s park like Citi Field, where hitting for power isn’t a thing.

Box Score, WPA Graph & Standings
For the box score and video highlights, head on over to MLB.com. For some other stats, go to FanGraphs. For the updated standings, check out ESPN.


Source: FanGraphs

Up Next
Same two teams on Wednesday night, when the Yankees will look to avoid falling to .500 for the first time since May 13th, after the second game against the Mets. Don’t worry, Vidal Nuno will be on the mound. He’ll be matched up against Jesse Chavez. Check out RAB Tickets if watching this team on television isn’t off-putting enough.

Categories : Game Stories
  • W.B. Mason Williams

    Lots of underperforming bats right now. I’m a big Soriano fan but he’s up there just swinging out of frustration.

    • FIPster Doofus

      He looks like me trying to hit in MLB The Show.

    • Slap-Ass

      Soriano swings at every damn pitch. He is stinkin it up right now.

      • pinch hitter

        That’s what I thought too, until that at bat where he watch 3 straight strikes without taking the bat off his shoulder.

  • trr

    Tough to watch this team right now. They look so…so….what’s the word I’m searching for?
    Oh yeah….so BAD

  • MB923

    “Not only did they blow that two on, no outs situation in the eighth, but they couldn’t get Ellsbury in after he drew a four-pitch walk to leadoff the ninth. ”

    These events happened in the 7th and 8th innings respectively. Not the 8th and 9th.

    • The Great Gonzo

      Jaso is garbage behind the dish. Ellsbury should have tried to take third on the VERY NEXT PITCH. Then its a very different conversation. You now have man on 3rd, no outs and three chances to get a groundball on the right side or a semi deep pop up.

      You spent $153M on the best base stealer of this generation, you have to try and press the issue when your offense is…. offensive.

  • Henry

    Perhaps once the Yankees are on the West Coast and there is less media scrutiny, Girardi should really consider dropping Jeter down in the batting order. Aside from a few games ( i.e. Jeter’s 4 hit and 3 RBI game against the White Sox two Sundays ago) , Jeter has been largely unproductive as a #2 hitter and his defense at Shortstop has been below average. Unlike a Bernie Williams , who some fans conviently forget was the first and arguably the most integral member of the 1990s-early 2000s Yankees’ core, Jeter can’t carry the Yankees and is a glorified singles hitter who happened to be fortunate to play with talented hitters in front and behind him giving him protection for the duration of his career. I’d take Alex Rodriguez, Cal Ripken Jr. , Robin Yount, Barry Larkin, and even Alan Trammel anytime over the overrated punch and Judy hitter, Derek Jeter.

    • Paisa

      Get the fuck outta here.

      • willie w

        that’s not nice

        • Paisa

          It’s an expression.

    • forensic

      If Girardi ever had the guts to drop Jeter, it wouldn’t matter where they were playing. It’d be a huge media event and story. Sadly, I still don’t see Girardi doing it this year.

    • BigBlueAL

      Derek Jeter career SLG% is .444.
      Barry Larkin is also .444.
      Robin Yount is .430.
      Alan Trammel is .415.
      Ripken’s is a whopping .447.

      I guess the only non punch and judy SS you listed is Arod.

    • FIPster Doofus

      Your post was going fine until you went off the rails and started ragging on the overall career of a legendary player. Jeter is bad now, but he was pretty amazing for a long time and that’s a fact.

    • nycsportzfan

      Hes in his last yr for godsake. I’ve been frustrated with his play just like anyone else but only for this yr. As for his career, Jeter was amazing and a hit machine who had double digit HR power most of his career. Hes also been a base stealer, high avg hitter, and had some yrs with big doubles totals. Shoot, hes even hit just about 70triples in his career.

      The Captain is def one of the top 5-6 hitters I’ve ever seen(been watching since 1990), if not top 1-3. Lets also not forget to add in how good defensively he was for much of his career.

      • forensic

        Jeter’s had a terrific career, but if you’re looking at it objectively you probably shouldn’t consider him one of the top 5-6 hitters you’ve seen, even just since 1990. There’s a group of maybe 10 or so guys who are above him and then he’d probably be in a group a step below them, in my opinion. Calling him outside of the best 10 hitters in the last 25 years isn’t an insult.

        Also, he was never very good defensively.

        • nycsportzfan

          Hes done well defensively in many seasons. He had alot more range early in his career. Hes won his share of gold gloves and made his share of highlight reel defensive plays. I think he was underrated as a defender during most of his career defensively, personally.

          As far as hitting goes, I still think hes one of the top 5-10hitters i’ve ever seen. You got guys like Wade Boggs and Ichiro of course, but what Jeter may lack in Avg with them, he makes up with much more power then both of those players. There is very few players that not only could hit well over 300, but also hit a guaranteed 10or more HR’s, and score 100runs while stealing 15-30 bags every yr. The guy is as complete a offensive player as there is. Of course the last couple yrs have seen his fall off a bit because of Age.

          • forensic

            There’s a lot more to hitting than hitting .300 with low double digit homers and steals. Overall, I don’t think he’s in the class of guys like Bonds, A-Rod, Manny, Pujols, Cabrera, Griffey, Thomas, Bagwell, etc. Then you could debate about guys like Thome, McGwire, Edgar, Chipper, etc. And that’s all basically just the guys off the top of my head.

            And gold gloves to judge him defensively? Really?

            • nycsportzfan

              I here ya on the Gold Gloves, but you can’t just completely dismiss GG’s either. Many people have talked highly of Jeters defensive abilities through the yrs.

              As for the hitting part, how in the world do you think guys who have cheated and been caught are better hitters then Jeter?

              • nycsportzfan

                Theres a reason Derek Jeter is gonna have the most hits of any guy i’ve ever seen play by the time he retires.

              • forensic

                Only a couple of those guys have been linked to PED’s, and you still don’t dismiss their entire career because they did something like that for a possibly short time. Do you dismiss Pettitte’s entire career because of his link to it?

                And regardless, there’s still a question in my mind (and others) of just how much it actually helps you, if at all. It doesn’t change your hand-eye coordination. It doesn’t give you better plate discipline (if it did, then somebody get some to Soriano, and quick).

                • nycsportzfan

                  How do you know how long Bonds was doing Roids for? And no, Andy was always the exact same pitcher and never relied on power at any point in his career. Andy’s body never changed as much as Bonds,McGwires, Sosas, and so many others who looked like monsters compared to the early part of there careers.

                  A guy like Andy who never relied on power in his career and showed he can play at a extremely high level even when his fastball topped out at like 90mph is quite a difference from a guy hitting 73hrs at age 36..lol

                  • forensic

                    I have no idea how long any of them did anything for. That’s why I said possibly. Also, Pettitte’s body did change, much like a ton of players. These guys are world class athletes and when they get access to the better facilities and whatnot, they’re going to change. That’s why I think it’s pretty absurd when people judge this stuff based on what a guy looks like.

                • Wolfgang’s Fault

                  It’s gotta do something for them. Brady Anderson a 50 HR guy? Sammy Sosa’s #’s? Too many players to count. Does it replenish strength or improve fast-twitch muscle response or a combination of a bunch of things? You got me. All I know is when they started cracking down a few years ago, a lot of so called sluggers weren’t slugging so much anymore. HGH is another thing we don’t know anything about. I do know that suddenly, more guys than I can ever remember are routinely pumping 95+ MPH heat. Coincidence, perhaps, but after all we’ve seen over the years, you can’t count anything out.

                  • forensic

                    Outliers and fluke seasons happen all the time. Was Ellsbury on it in 2011? Paul O’Neill in 1994?

                    And what about all the shitty players that did it and had no improvement?

                    I’m still skeptical.

                • Dick M

                  Ah, the hand eye argument.

                  • forensic

                    Yeah, it’s not like hand-eye coordination has anything to do with being a successful MLB hitter.

            • nycsportzfan

              Barry Bonds never once had a 200hit season. Jeff Bagwell never once had a 200hit season and ended his career as a 297BA career hitter. Manny Ramirez never once topped 200hits in a season.

              Derek Jeter has topped 200hits 8times. Jeter is still a 312BA career hitter despite this past seasons woes and last yr being a wash. In another language somewhere, Jeter probably means “hit”.

              • forensic

                They didn’t reach 200 hits because they had fewer AB’s than a leadoff/#2 hitting Jeter and because they walked a ton. They also hit for a ton of power, so their 150-175 hits would still do more damage than Jeter’s 200.

              • TheLastClown

                FACT: in french, ‘jeter’ is a verb, meaning ‘to throw (especially a ball)’

                I’ll leave you to chew on the deliciousness of the irony.

                • The Great Gonzo

                  What is Nunez in French?

              • FIPster Doofus

                Yeah, and Jeter never had a 30-home run season. Bonds had 14 of at least that many, including one with over 70.

                Bonds’ career: .298/.444/.607
                Jeter’s career: .312/.380/.444

                Can’t tell who’s better (sarcasm). Bonds’ career SLG is the same as Jeter’s career OBP. Oh, and FWIW, Bonds had a .480 OBP in his final season – as a 43-year-old. Incredible. Too bad the league blackballed him. I was hoping against hope NYY would sign him in ’08.

                • FIPster Doofus

                  Correction: I meant to say Bonds’ OBP is the same as Jeter’s SLG.

                  • forensic

                    lol, that’s pretty absurd. I never really looked at them side-by-side like that. It’s almost like even if you never gave Bonds credit for any of his 1440 extra base hits (2nd most all-time), he’d still be as ‘powerful’ as Jeter.

        • nycsportzfan

          Kinda nit-picking anyways, if your saying i’m wrong in saying top 5-6 hitters, and your gonna say top what, 10-15? I can almost guarantee there would be room for debate from 6-15. If hes not going into the HOF as a good defender, then he must be doing it all on offense, right? How many guys are HOF’ers since 1990 lead by just about all offensive numbers? Is there really 10-15 other guys since 1990(most of career ahead of em), that have made the HOF based mainly on “hitting”?

          • forensic

            Sure there’s room for debate, there’s room for debate in everything. And really, part of it depends on whether you’re giving him credit for doing it while being a SS. If you’re only looking at hitting, then he’s probably a good bit lower than even the 10-15 range. He lacks a lot of stuff that the other great hitters give you, but does make up for it a bit with his durability and longevity. And there are a ton of guys in the HOF mostly for their offense.

            Also, while Jeter’s not good defensively, he was able to outhit his defensive deficiencies through most of his career and was able to give you production at a non-offensive position, which is a big boost for him. He’s also going in for his team accomplishments.

            • nycsportzfan

              Jeter probably could of roided out and hit 20-25 hrs every yr and around 100ribbys, but chose to do the right thing. I don’t even think about guys like Arod , Bonds, and Manny. They cheated. We’ll never know to what degree there cheating helped there careers.

              And yes, to a degree, I do kinda think of Jeters offensive accomplishments as being slightly better considering hes a short stop and not a guy whos supposed to hit 40hrs. Yet, he still was almost always a shoe in for 10-20 every yr.

        • Bo Knows

          Objectively there is a case, it honestly just boils down to whether or not you think an ok average with great power is better than a great average with ok power (I’m not going to bring in OBP because that’s a different discussion). That’s a preference that you have to look at and understand. As a pure hitter Jeter is better than most of the legends, from a power standpoint he just doesn’t compare. IMO people get far too obsessed with the dinger, yes it’s sexy yes it drives in runs but hitting for high averages is also insanely valuable.

          The Bonds’, Ramirez’s, Cabrera’s and Pujols’ (can probably include Trout at this point) of history that were/are capable of hitting .310+ with 30+ homer potential every year are incredibly rare and belong in a class of their own.

          • forensic

            Bo, I’m with you on the power thing. For example, I think Granderson was far overrated because of his power.

            But, that’s taking this all to an extreme of extremes. Nobody’s saying a Granderson or a Mark Reynolds are even close to Jeter’s class. The guys that were mentioned aren’t even close to those kind of guys. And saying you’re not going to bring OBP into the discussion kind of moots the whole thing. There are many things that make up a player’s hitting profile, and OBP is a big one. How can you have a discussion like this without including that?

            If you’re going to do that, then just debate the best BA hitters of the last 25 years. Then you have Jeter in a group with Gwynn, Boggs, Ichiro, Miggy (there’s that man again, he may be pretty good at hitting a baseball), Pujols, Mauer, etc.

            • forensic

              Hell, we’re not even talking about an Adam Dunn type of guy, who is obviously a step up from the Reynolds type. Some would argue that he’s clearly more valuable for his bit higher OBP and much higher SLG (depending on what Jeter we’re talking about).

              I think the value of a walk and a homer, while both obviously good, is overstated in terms of how often they’ll come (for the HR) and how similar to a single (in terms of a walk) they are.

              But again, these are mostly .270+ hitters we’re talking about with great OBP and SLG skills that Jeter just can’t match, not some .220 hitting guy.

  • MB923

    You know the Yankees are bad when 3rd party sites have their tickets listed less than Mets tickets.

  • Tim

    Is there a “0” on the weekly RAB Yankees Confidence poll? Last time I checked a “6” but now it’s dropped to a “0”. There’s no way in hell this team finishes any better than 4th place in the East. You just knew that when the A’s tied the game, it was over.

    Ryan is the SS of the future, really? This team is terrible and Hal Steinbrenner and Cashman ought to be ashamed at allowing an iconic player like Jeter to go out like this. Shameful.

  • Mark

    4 more months of 2014 Jeter, it can’t end quick enough.

    • nycsportzfan

      Thats harsh. Hes not even the main issue offensively. At least the guys at the end of the line. How about guys like McCann and Ellsbury who are in the 1st yrs of mega deals? How about Mark Tex, who has people giddy with his play this yr, just because how bad a hitter hes been in recent yrs. How about Alphonso Soriano whos making Jeter look like Wade Boggs offensively this yr?

      The Captain is really the least of the worries for this team if you ask me. McCann and Ellsbury need to start carrying the offense.

    • TWTR

      Chad Jennings from Tuesday morning:

      • I can understand why people have a problem with Derek Jeter hitting second, but heading into last night’s game, Jeter was hitting .304/.360/.380 since May 5 (a span of 101 plate appearances), .316/.350/.368 since May 17 (his past 61 plate appearances) and .360/.385/.480 since May 25 (in six games started by right-handed pitchers). Not saying he should or should not be hitting second every day, but I certainly think the Yankees have offensive problems well beyond Jeter and his place in the batting order.

      So your post is not really an accurate reflection of reality.

      Yes, he can’t SLG anymore, but if they actually had middle of the order hitters who were mashing, no one would be talking about other offensive issues.

      That they are missing that should be the focus of discussion.

      • nycsportzfan

        Pretty much my thinking. Yeah Jeter isn’t Jeter anymore, but hes not even close to the main issue.

  • TWTR

    Maybe this will end the talk about trading for pitching. Getting multiple bats, (and no more old players). They can start by DFAing Soriano and bringing up Almonte.

    • Wolfgang’s Fault

      No, it should not. There are only a few potential top of a rotation type arms in their farm system at present, & w/the way pitchers are flaming out throughout the game, they can’t afford to rely on just them to come to the rescue in the years ahead. They have to stay committed to drafting & developing pitching throughout their system. The “brain trust” has to give it the attention it deserves this weekend & w/their Int’l signings later in the summer. As it is, they’ve got a quality kid catcher in JR Murphy, a kid whom catching maven Gary Tuck calls one of the best catchers he’s ever worked with (see WSJ link below). Along w/all the other catchers in the system, catching has become an organization strength. They’ve got a bunch of other useful pieces throughout their system and a few other legitimate prospects that should, w/time, help them remain as solid as most any other club in mlb. It’s the pitching that will either make or break them in the coming years, & the system needs to do a better job of developing it. IMO, pitching should always be their top priority, & w/all the hype about this being a deep draft for pitchers, I’m hopeful they can reload the pitching ranks w/upside talented arms.

      http://online.wsj.com/articles.....1401414653

      • TWTR

        So what? Their pitching is good enough to win. The offense…isn’t. It is precisely because pitching is so fragile that it isn’t smart to leverage your assets to acquire them.

        As for Murphy, they thought so highly of him, yet they still signed McCann. If they won’t rely in the development of kids who people like Tuck think are so unique, it is hard to believe they will rely on any young player unless an unexpected opportunity arises and a prospect is their only option, and he succeeds without a learning curve.

        That mindset is an important reason why they are in their current predicament.

        • Prussian General Jordan Brink

          Basically. They won’t let young players get a chance till they are up the creek with no paddle. And even then, the kid better kill it, or he’s going back to triple a.

  • FIPster Doofus

    The sardonic headline gave me more joy than the 2014 Yankees have.

  • King George

    The snark in Mike’s post is just dripping here…

    “Same two teams on Wednesday night, when the Yankees will look to avoid falling to .500 for the first time since May 13th, after the second game against the Mets. Don’t worry, Vidal Nuno will be on the mound. He’ll be matched up against Jesse Chavez.”

    I love that. Keep on keeping on, Mike.

    • nycsportzfan

      The way baseball goes, somehow tomorrow Nuno will do well and the Yanks will get a win in a close game.

      • MB923

        “The way baseball goes, somehow tomorrow Nuno will do well and the Yanks will get a win in a blowout

        Fixed.

  • Dr. Martin van Nostrand

    Maybe they should offer to swap ballparks with the Mets.

    I’m always so glad when I’m on the same wavelength as Mike.

    http://riveraveblues.com/2014/.....nt-8301685

    • rogue

      Home sweet home.

  • roberto kelly johnson

    this lost aggravated me.

  • mustang

    Like said before June will make or break this team and it’s not looking good.

    Still only June 4th.

    • mustang

      Not that I want it at all, but it would be interesting to see if they would sell if this thing goes completely downhill.
      Who?
      What?
      Where?
      Would be interesting.

      • forensic

        Truthfully, I don’t think it would be all that interesting as there isn’t much they would be able to sell, due to contracts, injuries, and/or performance. Gardner? Sure. But beyond him, there really isn’t much other than small stuff involving a Solarte, Murphy, or a reliever.

        • Wolfgang’s Fault

          They shouldn’t deal Solarte until either Pirella, Refsnyder, or both are evaluated by them as being at least as good. I wouldn’t deal Murphy at all. Right there, excluding the pitching staff and shortstop, you’ve got a pretty strong looking club up the middle w/Murphy behind the plate, Solarte playing his best position at 2b, and Ellsbury in CF. W/Tanaka holding his own as an ace, that’s not a bad foundation to (re)build the rest of the club on. Agreed that the contracts for the Beltran’s, McCann’s, etc. are problematic, but Jeter, Kuroda, Roberts, Ichiro, are all gone no later than 2015. If they can develop or deal for another one or two top of the rotation guys & they continue to develop solid bullpen guys, they’re in business for a long time to come. A couple of every day prospects come through, they’re really in business. Hopeful they get some quality players in the amateur draft & int’l f/a thing later in the summer, & that will go a long way toward determining where their deep enough to potentially deal from should they decide to go that route.

          • Wolfgang’s Fault

            BTW, should they fall out of any chance for a playoff spot early, they could easily deal Kuroda to a west coast Dodger, Angels, Giants, team that might still be in need of him & to which he might consent to play. If so, they could get something back of value in such a deal. Couple of others fit that profile as well.

            • forensic

              I’m not so sure about that. The Kuroda of last year? Sure. But this year’s Kuroda is a bit of a different animal. Even if they eat his salary, I’m not so sure you’re getting much of value for him or other guys who fit the veteran for rent label, like Johnson, Roberts, Ichiro, etc.

          • http://Riveravenueblues Marty lieberman

            Jeter, obviously, and Roberts, Kuroda, and Ichiro are gone after THIS year. Book it.

  • nycsportzfan

    I wish we could see this team at near full strength. Stinks we have no Beltran, Sabahtia, Kelley, Pineda, Nova, among others. I feel like you never see the Yanks near full strength, yr after yr.

    • forensic

      That’s what happens when you put together a pretty old roster year after year.

      • MB923

        4 of the 6 players on the DL are 30 or younger- Kelly, Nova, Pineda and Cervelli. One is under 35 (CC). Only old player on the DL is Beltran.

  • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

    80% of the stadium was empty during a 2-2 tie in the ninth.

    can’t say I blame the fans. I wonder when will the Steinbrenner’s figure out an empty stadium is bad business.

    • Slap-Ass

      They will never figure it out despite a $200+ million payroll.

  • nycsportzfan

    I wonder if the Yankees will ever be able to go about building the roster the way they did in early 90’s? Obviously that would mean getting some beast draft picks to go along with very crafty FA signings(Jimmy Key, David Wells, Tim Raines, John Wetteland..etc), and the occasional big trade(Tino Martinez and Paul O’neill..etc)??

    • forensic

      I get what you’re saying about the FA and trade stuff, but it’s not like making beast draft picks and getting 5 surefire or borderline HOFers out of your farm at about the same time is some organizational philosophy. That’s just one of those fluke things that isn’t likely to ever happen again.

      • Dr. Martin van Nostrand

        Who’s the fifth one? I know about the Core Four and everything because the Yankees organization doesn’t miss an opportunity to cram it down our throats, but there’s a fifth one, you say? Has this unfortunate fifth person been airbrushed out of history or something? If recent ceremonies are any indication, then I have no clue who the hell you’re talking about.

        • forensic

          lol, it is pretty absurd how Bernie is always blocked out because he didn’t last long enough for 2009. Why doesn’t Pettitte get the same treatment for actually leaving and playing for another team, which none of the other guys ever did? And to connect to another theme from this thread, he’s also the only one with any connection to PED’s. Why is Posada included when he was basically just a September call-up for 1996?

          Bernie has always been my favorite of the group, and though it was painful watching the end of his career (much like Jeter now), it’s sad that he doesn’t get near the same recognition that the rest of them do.

          • Steve G

            Bernie Williams is not a borderline hall of famer. Very good for a long time, sure, but he fell off the HOF ballot after one year.

  • LawFirmJacobyEllsburyMyers

    Bingo!!! It’s been a vicious cycle for ages now. Sign big name high priced has-beens, fail to groom top prospects, and keep anyone with a little passion and personality off the roster. Who is this year’s Nick Swisher? Kelly Johnson? Ever mix up Preston Claiborne with Mark Fydrich?

    • Michael

      Cashman is a .500 GM running a franchise that has a championship mantra. His strength is spending 200 million on veterans with fantasy-baseball prowess. His weakness is in talent evaluation, and particularly in making trades. If you bring win one/lose one ability to the GM role, what you get is what they are right now, a 200 million dollar mediocre team.

  • 461deep

    Betances gave up a run so what. He’s spoiled us all with his dominance this year. 2 runs a game is not good. Starting pitching has been good lately but 1 reliever out of 2-3 has failed. Kuroda pitched great tonight. A’s very good team.

    • Slap-Ass

      Bullpen is getting worn out because the offense absolutely sucks and can’t give the team a comfortable lead. Ellsbury, Beltran and McCann are underperforming big time.

  • IT IS OVER

    Time to sell,,,,,,,,,,!

    • FIPster Doofus

      There’s nothing to sell.

      • Slap-Ass

        Soriano for a used jock-strap, Aceves for pine tar(Pineda would like that), and Corban Joseph/Austin Romine/Adonis Garcia for Kershaw.

  • JLC 776

    I hate to think it, but .500 looks inevitable!

  • Bronx_Boy

    Wow, this team is really beating up the writers and posters on this site. When I read articles and posts like this i always wonder why watch? There’s probably a Big Bang marathon or something on TV.

  • Joe C

    Evidently, what ever progress they made on Monday flew out the window. They started chasing pitches and actually looked like trying to play cricket. Well, if they want to do that, there are couple of Clubs out on Staten Island where they could join up as members.

  • mick taylor

    the problem with the yanks is brian cashman. for 17 years he has had the advantage over other gms of what, 100 million a year to spend . yet the majority of his signings have not been good. he needs to go. just this past winter, when i heard he signed mccann for 85 million, i hated it. because the yanks have all these catcher prospects and mccann was not good last year with the braves. with that 85 million, cashman could have signed the cuban abreu, nelson cruz and stephen drew. cashman in the last few years passed on all the great cuban players like puig, chapman, cespedes and soler. and some jerk on this website will reply well, who knew puig would be that good. well that is cashman and his crack scouting staff’s job to determine that. yanks after 17 years need a fresh mind in the gm chair

    • J Katlak

      Actually it’s more Hal’s fault in my eyes. I would blame Cashman, but Hal is the one that is hustling Cashman into spend! spend! spend! Until Hal is done with this organization, you are going to continue to see Cashman bury this organization into the ground as far as front office decisions on talent. And in several years from now, watch Cashman be told by Hal to let position player talent rot in AAA before trading them for more overpaid retreats.

    • kenthadley

      You bring up a valid point in that Cashman is supposed to know more than the folks here, but often times it doesn’t appear that way. Fans can make many mistakes…when the GM does (for every Solarte there is a Quintana in his resume) the team suffers for it. Where’s the trade that brings a Paul O’Neill just when his career is taking off? Where’s the trade to bring younger impact players? Cashman can sign free agents with the best of them, but I don’t recall his signing anyone who took less money to come to NY…..and the minor league system has produced middle relief pitching and little else of real value after 7 years of total control, whatever that meant…maybe to cover up the lack of minor league talent that didn’t exist for the ten years prior.

  • Derek Jeter (get of my back, im old)

    While I was against it last year, it is now looking like it was their chance to blow it up and rebuild. We could of traded Cano, and Gardner for future players and not spent on Ellsbury, Beltran and McCann. Got under the luxury tax for future savings. Now we are stuck in “shit team limbo” with this team.

  • The Great Gonzo

    The troll is strong in this thread.

    I can’t wait for the Yankees to win 3 in a row and this whole shit show to melt away, as it tends to do when the Yankees don’t look so bad.

  • 461dreep

    Jeter great at what he accomplished, singles, doubles, few triples and averaged 12-13 hr. By batting leadoff or 2nd had many AB’s so opportunity for his 7 or so 200 hit seasons were there.
    Bonds, Mantle and others did not reach 200 hits for 1 reason, they walked a lot. PED”s enhance , not add to your talents by giving you more stamina, energy and strength.