Yankees to designate Brian Roberts for assignment

Yankees acquire Martin Prado for Peter O'Brien
Thursday Night Open Thread

The Yankees will designate Brian Roberts for assignment to clear a roster spot for the recently acquired Martin Prado, Brian Cashman told reporters. Roberts, who was lifted for a pinch-hitter on Monday and did not play Tuesday or Wednesday, was only two plate appearances shy of triggering a $250k bonus in his contract. The team cited general soreness and fatigue as reasons for the mini-benching.

Roberts, 36, hit .236/.300/.360 (81 wRC+) with five homers in 91 games and 348 plate appearances this year, his most since 2009. He hasn’t hit at all this month (69 wRC+) and his defense had become an issue in recent weeks, with lots of errors and bobbles and misplays. Perhaps he was just worn down. Roberts had the unenviable job of replacing Robinson Cano and the guy played hard all the time, but it just didn’t work out. That’s baseball. Something tells me he’ll be wearing a San Francisco Giants uniform very soon.

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Thursday Night Open Thread
  • RetroRob

    Wow, I guess they really did have no intentions of him hitting those performance bonuses!

    • Yankee$

      Quarter million is a quarter million … I suppose…oh, and he sucks.

      • RetroRob

        When Mike mentioned the performance bonuses the other day I dismissed it. Yet then they announced Roberts was tired and wouldn’t play for a few days, days which would take him through the trade deadline. I began suspect that they were looking for a replacement and they might has well save a quarter million in the process.

        • Yankee$

          I’m kind of happy they found the replacement(s) and can leave Refsnyder in AAA to play 2B for the rest of the season. Let him come to Spring Training and force his way onto the 40 and 25 man roster. Let’s them protect another Rule 5 guy and start Refs service clock in April ’15 (yes, I think he’s the starting 2B next year.)

          • Mikhel

            For a player to win a place in the roster out of spring training is very hard, unless he is signed to a multimillion deal.

            9 times out of 10 you’ll see Yankee minorleaguers getting the axe even if they had better numbers than players assured millionaire deals.

            Solarte confirmed it this season, when he said he signed with the Yankees against his agent’s whish because the NYY offered him about 3 times what the rest of teams offer; and that the Yankees needed to offer a lot more for minor league free agents to agree because they know via their agents that Yankees do not pick minorleaguers out of spring training.

            There are lots of examples, but I can remember two off the top of my head:

            Ben Weber had a phenomenal ST, named ST MVP of the Yankees, got the chop and the Yankees decided to promote others with bad stats compared to Weber.

            Jorge Vázquez, the guy not only dominated ST (MVP) but when ARod and Teix got injuried he never was called up, in his place they promoted lesser players. V;azquez set the yankees record of HRs at AAA but never saw the light of the majors…

            Even Montero suffered from something similar, with the Yankees needing offense against the Tigers in the playoffs and after a good game by him, he never played again and the NYY were easily eliminated.

            • Steve (different one)

              Ben Weber?! Holy shit, dude, just stop. Please?

            • RetroRob

              Solarte was a flash in the pan, who will probably keep a MLB job as a backup for several years because of the hot start.

              Ben Weber sucks…a lot.

              Jorge Vazquez sucks and is not a MLB player.

              Montero was traded for a top young pitcher. He is the only legit MLB prospect you named.

              Playing the youngsters is nice, if they are actually worth playing. The players on the Yankees AAA roster up until Refsnyder arrived aren’t worth much of anything.

            • Chip

              And in hindsight, they totally should have kept Ben Weber and Jorge Vazquez around. I mean, those guys turned into perennial all stars!

            • Yankee$

              The big difference is Plan A for second base next year could be Refsnyder and that would have absolutely nothing to do with if he is added to the 40 Man for September or prior to the start of Spring Training. The guys you spoke of were never Plan A starters.

            • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

              It was Jon Weber, and he was out of baseball (and suspended for PEDs) by the end of the season. And azquez wasn’t picked up by any team after the Yanks cut him. So your evidence directly proves your point is wrong.

              Plus, rookies never get a chance out of spring training? Betances. Solarte, Anna and Nuno made the roster this year, Warren made it last year, Phelps the year before, etc.

            • Scott

              I won’t touch Weber or Vazquez because others already have. But you are wrong about his agent saying he shouldn’t play here. He said the exact opposite. They (Solarte and his agent) saw all the holes the Yanks had in their IF and figured his best chance to make a ML roster was the Yanks. At the time of his signing the Yanks had no 3B, no 2B, a 39 year old SS coming off of an ankle injury and Nunez as the back up.

              Wow you are way off. But keep finding those fake nuggets to fill your pipe.

          • RetroRob

            Agreed.

  • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek Roadgeek Adam

    Mike is so excited he forgot his tenses. :)

    • RetroRob

      Prado at second is a big upgrade.

      Still trying to figure out where Drew is playing.

      • Kosmo

        SS

        • http://www.flickr.com/photos/roadgeek Roadgeek Adam

          Drew is playing 2B from all sources I’ve heard (and from Brian Cashman).

          • RetroRob

            Cashman misleads!

        • RetroRob

          Jeter DH and Beltran to right?

          It is their best hitting lineup.

          • Deathstroke Heathcott

            Beltran at DH, Prado at RF, Jeter at SS, Drew at 2B with Brendan Ryan and Ichiro subbing in defensively where needed.

            • trr

              I think you got it Heath.

            • nycsportzfan

              Bingo.

          • nyguy

            … and with Drew playing SS and Prado at 2B, their best defensive infield as well.

      • Yankeefan91

        No Prado playing Right Field and Drew playing Second Base.

      • Wave Your Hat

        I think Drew platoons at 2nd vs RHP, Prado there vs LHP, move Prado to RF vs RHP.

        • Mandy Stankiewicz

          This ^

        • ChipS56

          Drew will be the every day 2b, Prado the every day RF.

  • Liam in Albany

    I’m glad that’s over

  • MTU

    So Drew, Ryan, and Prado are you new 2b/3b trio.

    Mix and match according to taste.

    • CMed21

      Headley’s not losing his spot to those scrubs. Prado is most likely playing RF, Drew at 2nd.

      • The Great Gonzo

        this.

      • Wave Your Hat

        Have you seen Drew’s splits vs LHP this year? Not pretty.

        • Old Man Time

          No, they’re not, but how does that affect Headley playing 3rd?

          • Wave Your Hat

            No, I was responding to the Drew portion of the comment.

        • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

          If he doesn’t hit lefties, they can play Prado at second and Ichiro in right v. lefties.

          • nycsportzfan

            Zoilo is a switch hitter as well.

            • Chip

              Zoilo is a switch hitter as much as Jim Bowden is a good reporter. They both try really hard but its just not working out

              • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

                Awesome.

  • Bob

    That makes for better day. Drew at 2b though…won’t be any better likely.

  • Eric

    Drew 2B
    Jeter SS
    Headley 3B
    Prado RF

    Suzuki DFA

    • RetroRob

      Ichiro will stay. He just gets pushed back to the 4th OFer, defensive replacement role he was supposed to have at the start of the year.

      • Mel

        He’s shown his age at times and stumbling around out there as well…but with Tanaka not bringing in the Japanese market they’ll probably keep him around unfortunately.

        • Deathstroke Heathcott

          He’s still useful as a 4th OFer, just horribly overexposed as a everyday RFer.

      • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

        He’ll get some at-bats in RF v. lefties. Reducing his workload and letting him bat v. lefties (weird reverse split last year and this year) may let him go from total train wreck to below average.

  • MTU

    No SP though.

    Sure hope they aren’t counting on Pineda and Tanaka.

    Maybe they make a run at Lee in August ?

    • CMed21

      At this point no one is gonna bother with the Phillies pieces, RAJ is in another planet when it comes to what he’s asking for. Only way Phillies deal anything is if RAJ is fired in the next few weeks.

    • Mel

      God I hope not. Class thy name is not Lee…

  • nyguy

    Guess the Yankees weren’t lovin’ Brian Roberts as much as Mike thought.

  • CMed21

    So are the Yankees paying Prado’s contract? Just trying to confirm.

    • RetroRob

      Why wouldn’t they? $11MM is not all that much in today’s market.

  • Giuseppe Franco

    Mark Feinsand 6m
    Cashman on not adding another starting pitcher: “Clearly I felt the offense was more of a problem.”

    —-

    Well, duh, Captain Obvious.

    The lack of offense killed them last season and it’s killed them this season.

    • yankeefeminista

      At least Cash is finally getting it (the need for O) if a few years too late. Now he has to actually go get the O vs. dealing for retreads, utility types and signing FA dumpster divers. It’s a process…

      • nycsportzfan

        Yeah, signing McCann, Beltran, and Ellsbury in the same off season clearly showed he dosen’t care about offense.

        • The Big City of Dreams

          I think she just means in general the off season notwithstanding

        • Murakami

          Except those three are complementary offensive guys, not centerpiece guys. Cashman has been extremely careless with good young hitters, which is why we have none. His “hairy monsters” mantra as a solution was comically off-key, and his “pitching wins” refrain was facile and downright embarrassing. Cashman is decidely clueless about what a good bat is.

  • Yankeefan91

    With Drew and Headley on this team we Def Improved are Defense.

    • Frank

      Drew has never played 2B. Not so sure about improved defense at that position.

      • Yankeefan91

        theirs no way in hell Drew can Be any worse defensively then Roberts.

        • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

          This.

          Plus, short stops are, generally, able to move to second. Most MLB second basemen were short stops in H.S., college and/or the minors. Guys like Katoh who are drafted as second basemen in a high round are kind of rare.

          See how seamlessly Ryan moved to second? A good SS can play 2B.

        • trr

          A-F*cking-Men to that!

    • pepes pizza

      But not our grammer!

  • 461deep

    Okay to DFA Roberts but to cheapo him out of 250K over 2 or so AB was miserable & cruel. Not proud of Yankees here.

    • Y’s Guy

      Are you kidding? He didn’t deserve half the money he got already and he didn’t deserve half the at-bats he got either.

      I have NO problem with the Yankees’ treatment of Roberts, they gave him every possible opportunity to show that he’s still a major league player and he came up waaaaay short.

      • vicki

        he was a warm body for very little money. 0.2 fwar. really not a horrible cost vs. performance score, all things considered.

    • Mr. Roth

      So many people complain when they flex their financial muscle by taking on bigger contracts, then they also complain when they try to save some money on lost causes….

      I’ll never understand my fellow Yankee fans.

    • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

      So should they turn down a trade opportunity because Roberts has to get his two ABs?

      Plus, if he gets picked up elsewhere (assuming he goes unclaimed on waivers), the incentives would still apply and the Yanks would have to pay him after the two at-bats.

      • Deathstroke Heathcott

        Wait the bonus applies even if he passes through waivers? Why would that be true?

        • Y’s Guy

          sure, waivers don’t void the contract. the yankees would have to pay everything above the minimum and any bonuses i believe.

          idk that anyone is going to put Roberts on their ML roster though, he’s been really horrible in the field.

          • nycsportzfan

            Did you miss the Giants playing Dan Uggla?

          • Jerkface

            I don’t think this actually applies to performance bonuses though. Not gonna dig around for the rules but I’m pretty sure, even in this situation, the new team would be responsible for future bonuses. At worst I think the Yankees may have to pay proportionally based on how much he achieved on the Yankees.

            • Chip

              Agreed, incentives don’t survive waivers

              • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

                They do. The player has a guaranteed deal. The contract doesn’t change.

                • Deathstroke Heathcott

                  The guaranteed portion is the base salary. Does anyone have concrete proof that incentive bonuses survive waivers?

          • Deathstroke Heathcott

            It was my understanding that while waivers don’t void the base salary, incentives bonuses would no longer still hold. There have similar cases in the past where a team cut a player to save themselves some incentive bonuses.

  • Frank

    Drew has played 0 games at 2B in his career. I guess Cashman likes experimenting with players out of position, i.e., Johnson and McCann at 1B. Should be interesting.

    • pat

      Stupid Cashman, trying to keep McCann healthy. What an idiot.

    • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

      SS to 2B is not a tough move. Look at Ryan this year.

  • Y’s Guy

    where’s blake?

    • Mel

      beating off to Drew pictured in a Yankee uniform.

  • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

    Red Sox get Cespedes for a rental.

    Tigers get PRice for AJax and a #5 pitcher.

    Yanks get Drew and Prada.

    But, somehow, Cashman’s cult insists Cash won the day.

    • Slap-Ass

      Yanks get Prada? Fashion upgrade?

      • Manager without Braces

        Yanks get Prada? Fashion upgrade?

        I would have not appreciated this one before I got married.

    • Mr. Roth

      I didn’t see anyone say that the Yankees are the big trade deadline winners. I saw a bunch of people comment they were happy with the moves because they improved the team and gave up practically nothing to do it.

      • nycsportzfan

        Bingo! Lengthened the lineup.

        • Mikey

          +1 fan

    • Old Man Time

      Who says Cashman won the day? Please point out this commenter.

      • WhittakerWalt

        That would require some basis in fact. Can’t beat down the straw man that way!

    • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

      You conveniently forget that the Yanks didn’t have any of the pieces to get the guys you mentioned.

      Did they have a young ace starter to trade for Cespedes? No.

      Did the Yanks have a young, controllable good MLB starter (Smyley) and a top AAA MLB-ready (Franklin) prospect for Price? No.

      And that doesn’t even take into account that Cashman said the Rays and Red Sox told him they didn’t want to trade Price/Lester within the division.

      Cashman did a great job with what he had. Upgraded 2014 (and, with Prado, 2015 and 2016) without giving up anything of value. Kept the top prospects.

      • derp

        young ace? he’s a two month rental… and cespedes only has one year left on his deal, and with the sox rebuilding it isn’t anything to get excited about.

        didn’t have the pieces? sure… they’d have to pay more than clubs outside of the division for an expensive rental player that doesn’t put you over the top. severino, judge and sanchez for two months of fucking lester? sound good? derp.

        and you people bitch about how this team is run? fuck me.

        • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

          The Yanks had a Lester to trade for Cespedes? Who? Who would the A’s have taken from the Yanks over Lester? Nobody.

          It is so easy to say “Cashman should have gotten X player,” but when you try and figure out who he should have offered, the whole argument falls apart. The other teams aren’t in business to help the Yanks. The A’s want to win now. Lester helps them do that. No Yankee pitcher would help as much as Lester.

  • Bigdan

    Drew seems like a surprising move but it’s really just a smart one. Drew is a pure audition play for next year, unlike Headley who is a pure rental. The Yanks know he can play SS. They want to see how he can hit in YS. If he can bring left-handed power out of the SS spot, that could be a huge benefit. A reasonable two year deal next year would be just fine.

    Prado is the curious move. I think Refs may be getting traded. Or at least his future as a Yankee 2b is very much in doubt next year. Prado is no utility player. He’s making $10MM a year through 2016 so he’ll be playing every day. And he’s not a corner OF. He has Gardner pre-Texas power. He’s the Yanks starting 2b next year. Unless something strange happens to Arod.

    Damn. I liked Refs.

    • Mel

      Pure speculation…I don’t think they’re going to write the book on a promising prospect for a miserable offensive player who gets hurt too much…but this is the Yankees/Cahsman.

    • Scott

      Also have to think Prado is probably more insurance for A-Rod than the future 2B. I think Ref gets a legit shot next season. Headley is probably gone. Especially if he finishes off the season well with the Yanks, he is going to go looking for a big payday and the only other 3B FA that I can think of next year is the panda.

    • Ed

      You’re thinking too much.

      They got Drew because they wanted to get rid of Roberts.

      They got Prado because he’s spent a decent amount of time in an outfield corner spot, and they want someone better than Ichiro or Almonte. Prado can play the outfield, 2B, or 3B, all of which are positions the team will need help with next year. Maybe A-Rod plays some 3B next year, but the odds of him playing 3B full time are pretty damn low.

      Basically, Prado can play multiple positions and gives them one less player to look for in the offseason. As we saw this offseason, filling a bunch of positions in the offseason is hard to do well.

      Based on how Cashman is talking about Refsynder, I he’d only be on the opening day roster next year if every other option didn’t work out. I think they want to make him force a promotion rather than plan on it in advance.

      • nycsportzfan

        Prado is only 30yrs old, and has had a solid career with the stick and as you said, is versatile player. He was a good get.

    • Jersey Joe

      Prado could very easily move to third base. I can’t imagine A-Rod will be a significant player next year. I think the team will show that he is not accepted

    • trr

      Agree with you about Drew, not so sure about Ref, Dan. Prado will likely play a lot of 3B next year.

      You don’t think A-Rod is going to play everyday next year, now do you?

    • Bret The Hitman

      I disagree Headley is a pure rental. He is an audition, just like Drew.

      Prado is 2B
      Headley could be 3B
      Drew could be SS
      Alex could be 3B/DH/1B/other

      Prado’s value is middle infield and his best position is 2B. He earns 20 million over the next 2 years. He’s a starter. Refsnyder is not winning the job from him.

  • W.B. Mason Williams

    Addition by subtraction.

  • Pkyankfan69

    New regular line up:

    LF – Gardner
    SS – Jeter
    CF – Ellsbury
    1B – Tex
    DH – Beltran
    C – McCann
    3B – Headley
    RF – Prado
    2B – Drew

    Definitely improved over a few weeks ago but still not great. The infield defense is 10 X better. Wonder if Lee pitches well over his next few starts if the Yanks will consider taking his contract (or if that moron RAJ will do something.)

    • ChipS56

      Agree with you on the lineup and also agree with you that in the coming weeks they’ll see what happens with Tanaka and Pineda and guys like Lee and Danks will be able to get through waivers.

    • Not an ace

      That defense is fucking study son. Shortstop only position below average defensively.

    • nycsportzfan

      I had a similar lineup but a tad different

      1). Brett Gardner LF
      2). Derek Jeter SS
      3). Jacoby Ellsbury CF
      4). Carlos Beltran DH(raking lately)
      5). Mark Tiexera 1B
      6). Brian McCann C
      7). Chase Headley 3B
      8). Martin Prado(what a hitter for the 8spot. Scott brosius anyone
      9). Stephen Drew 2B

      Either way, thats a long lineup.

      • nycsportzfan

        Also, Yanks could still make a deal for a reliever or starter during waivers. Maybe a Bastardo? C.Lee?

        • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

          I hear the Phills just dropped their pric3 on Lee

      • Steinbrenner’s Ghost

        a long lineup in 2008.

        in 2014 not so much.

      • Murakami

        Still thin middle and still lacks the Great Man.

  • Bigdan

    Drew seems like a surprising move but it’s really just a smart one. Drew is a pure audition play for next year, unlike Headley who is a pure rental. The Yanks know he can play SS. They want to see how he can hit in YS. If he can bring left-handed power out of the SS spot, that could be a huge benefit. A reasonable two year deal next year would be just fine.

    Prado is the curious move. I think Refs may be getting traded. Or at least his future as a Yankee 2b is very much in doubt next year. Prado is no utility player. He’s making $10MM a year through 2016 so he’ll be playing every day. And he’s not a corner OF. He has Gardner pre-Texas power. He’s the Yanks starting 2b next year. Unless something strange happens to Arod.

    Shame. I liked Refs.

    • W.B. Mason Williams

      I’d resign Headley way, way faster than Drew.

      • MTU

        +1

      • ChipS56

        I would too – but if Prado’s in RF and Beltran’s the DH then you can’t keep Headley with Alex returning.

      • Bigdan

        Except no way that happens. Arod making $22MM next year and playing 3rd base. Now you have Prado making $10MM. Headley, if he plays well these last couple of months, will be in line for a multi-year at at least $10MM per. And the Yanks still need a SS, an OF and at least one starter.

        Headley simply not in their plans. Cashman said so and he means it.

        • W.B. Mason Williams

          Also assuming if he does come back, he’s anything more than a DH.

        • W.B. Mason Williams

          Assuming A-Rod comes back at all. By choice or not.

          • Cheval Anonyme

            Let’s deconstruct this “Refs is gone” theory, shall we?

            Assuming they find a SS for next year, they have these four players–Beltran, ARod, Prado, Tex– for these four positions: 3B, RF, dH and 1B. Now, which of these guys is likely to play more than 120 games?

            Beltran- no
            ARod– no
            Tex– no
            Prado– yes

            So basically, you have to use subs for 40, 40, 40 and (for Prado) 10 games. That’s 130 games. Refs can play RF and 2B; Prado can play 2B, 3B, and probably 1B; Arod can probably play 3B and 1B. So by shuffling around, you can easily give Refs 130 games. at least.

            If you don’t have Prado, the team is way too thin, and they would both be FORCED to start Refs and sign either another high priced FA, or do what they did this year (sign random flotsam and jetsam and see what sticks),

          • OldYanksFan

            ARod is 61 Hits away from 3000
            ARod is 7 HRs away from passing Willie for 4th place (and $6m).
            ARod is 29 RBI away from passing Bonds and Gehrig for 4th place.
            ARod is 31 Runs away from passing Jeter and Musial for 9th place.

            You really think he will retire?

    • ChipS56

      Dan – Cash says Refsnyder is moving to 2b full time in AAA and will be in the mix for the job next season.

      I think most likely the 2015 lineup is:

      Ellsbury – CF
      Prado – RF
      Gardner – LF
      Tex – 1b
      Beltran – DH
      McCann – C
      Alex – 3b
      Drew – SS
      Refsnyder – 2b

      • Bigdan

        Did Cash specifically say Refs in the Yanks plans for a job next year when he said he’s moving exclusively to 2b now? I think Cash is sticking Refs at 2b now to solidify Refs trade value. Never should have been moved to OF in the first place.

        Prado is a super bad choice for a corner OF spot. He slugs a bit over .400 for his career. The Yanks have already two starting OFs who do that.

        I’m rooting for Melky. And trading Gardner for pitching. Power in the corner OF is a big off season priority.

        • ChipS56

          Yes he did.

          • Bigdan

            Yes I see the quote now. He’s quoted as saying “with an eye toward making him [Refs] a big league option next year.”

            He didn’t say with the Yanks did he? Very vague statement. Of course he’s staying at 2b base because that’s where his value is as a trade chip. Or at least that’s one way to read that comment.

            I could be totally wrong here. But Prado seems like a very poor OF option for this team for several reasons. But at 2b he fits.

            • Bret The Hitman

              Agree 100%. It’s the pump and dump.

              • Cheval Anonyme

                It’s a bad theory, based on over-rating your team’s prospects. Refs is not highly regarded enough to be the centerpiece of a major trade. He’s a second piece. They Yankees do not have a centerpiece to offer. Cashman is not planning some major trade in advance.

                Also, has it not occurred to you that Prado will have trade value next spring especially if the NYY throw in a couple million? Refs will have every chance to win that job.

            • OldYanksFan

              It is not impossible that the Yanks want Ref in AAA to start next year, to improve his D. From what I read, on Defense, he is not yet an average MLB 2nd baseman.

              Haven’t people noticed that Cashman had been hugging prospects over the last 3 or 4 years? Yeah… anybody can go if they bring back an important piece, but the Yankees are no longer throwing away prospects.

    • nycsportzfan

      I just cant wait till tomorrow nights game. Love playing the Sox, because I get to watch all the games no matter what.

  • Chris

    Maybe he can bunk with Dan Uggla on the steamship journey to the land of unwanted infielders.

    • Mikhel

      Maybe he can bunk with Dan Uggla on the steamship journey to the land of unwanted “infielders”.

      There, I fixed it for you.

  • Bigdan

    That Roberts thing was a real joke wasn’t it? The guy plays virtually every day all season long. Over Johnson. Over Solarte. And then all of a sudden, a couple ABs before a bonus, he’s benched because he’s “worn out.” Then Drew and DFA.

    Not really a class move but hey, Roberts played a lot more than he should have.

    • Scott

      I did post this on the Prado signing thread but here goes again. I agree with you it wasn’t a class move. Not from a Roberts really deserved it perspective but more from free agents, the MLBPA and agents perspective. Incentives in Yanks’ contracts may not be worth much.

      • Old Man Time

        Based on the number of Yankee players who have had incentive clauses in their contracts and triggered said clauses over the years, I don’t see this as an issue at all.

        • Cheval Anonyme

          Yes, seriously. The Yankees have no suddenly developed a reputation as cheapskates. The thought is laughable.

    • jpk

      Classless move…It wasn’t like he wasn’t trying. Randy Levine has lunch tabs that rival that bonus…

      • Cheval Anonyme

        What I say when the Yankees overspend: “it’s not my money.” What I say when the Yankees try to save a few bucks: “it’s not my money.” Maybe you should chip in a few bucks yourself to the Brian Roberts Family scholarship fund? I’m sure your generous donations would be highly appreciated!

        • OldYanksFan

          I agree.
          Roberts has only made $64m in his MLB career.
          Most of us make that in a good year…. yes?

  • MTU

    Kuroda
    Pineda ?
    McCarthy
    Phelps
    Greene/Capuano

    Tanaka ?

    • Bret The Hitman

      Cliff Lee/Masahiro Tanaka
      Michael Pineda
      Hiroki Kuroda
      Brandon McCarthy
      David Phelps

  • Mikhel

    Very good team, I do not remember a team this good being fielded by the Yankees since the early 1990s, and I mean it, WOW:

    A catcher playing 1B in McCann;
    A SS playing 2B in Drew;
    A 2B playing RF in Prado.

    I wonder when Cervelli will play SS, Headley CF, Beltrán 3B with Teixeira at C.

    Its like a script out of the Adams Family.

    • Chip

      Prado (who has experience playing the outfield and first) is now the backup first baseman. McCann is clearly going back to catching full time and you do realize we have Tex right? Are you seriously concerned that Drew is going to suck at 2B? I mean, is the throw just too short from there to be any good or what?

      Actually, what we have right now might be the best defensive infield we’ve had in years on days when Jeter sits for Ryan (or Drew)

    • Steve (different one)

      If only they had Jorge Vasquez and Ben Weber.

  • yankeefeminista

    Andrew Marchand ?@AndrewMarchand 8m
    Cashman said Refsnyder is likely going to play his year out at Triple-A.

    • Bigdan

      Of course. The question is, with Prado on the payroll, will Refs every play 2b for the Yanks?

      • yankeefeminista

        You can say that at any number of positions when it comes to the Yanks. That’s the problem with the way Cash constructs his teams.

        • ChipS56

          Fem,

          I don’t see how you can have any problem with the moves Cashman has made this month. He gave up one player of potential consequence in O’Brien if he can improve his contact rates – and in return got 3 guys who, if nothing else, help a little this year and are guys who might fit needs next year and one guy in Prado who gives them a ton of options as far as where to play him.

          The only issue I think you could have is if you’re Chase Headley because next year, unless Alex walks away or is released, I don’t see a fit for him on the roster.

        • derp

          prado is versatile…. whining about him keeping poor robbie ref away from the bigs is pig pile stupid.

      • ChipS56

        From Chad: ohud Yankees Blog @LoHudYankees · 57m
        Cashman says Rob Refsnyder will move back to second base full time in AAA. No more right field. Looking at him as a 2B option next year.

    • trr

      IDK….he could get a cup of coffee in Sept.
      There may be nothing else going on for this team by then.

      • Cheval Anonyme

        Refs will not be up this year. It would be a dumb move from the standpoint of roster management and long-term contract control.

  • trr

    We knew this was coming.

    So out with Roberts/Johnson
    In with Drew/Prado

    It’s an upgrade, but nothing that’s going to improve the team noticeably.

    • Chip

      You clearly haven’t seen Roberts and Johnson play lately

  • joeman

    MTU says:
    July 31, 2014 at 5:26 pm
    Kuroda
    Pineda ?
    McCarthy
    Phelps
    Greene/Capuano
    Tanaka ?
    ——————————
    whats up Kid…that staff is what it is

    • MTU

      They could have used another pitcher and a reliever.

      Was hoping they might get Benoit.

      That Rotation is filled w ????’s

      maybe someone arrives in August ?

    • vicki

      are you simple? use the fucking reply button.

      • MTU

        I used the fucking reply button.

        Just like now.

        Lighten up.

        • Chip

          You’re aware that she wasn’t talking to you but the idiot who keeps copy and pasting other people’s comments right?

          • MTU

            I was not.

            I thought she was talking to me.

            My mistake.

            • Chip

              No worries, you seem cool. You can stay :)

        • Mel

          We still love you MTU….awwwoooooo

      • Chip

        It’s been like this all day. We really need to hit people who do this with the ban stick

        • MTU

          Not exactly a warm welcome is it ?

          • W.B. Mason Williams

            Do you want to go back through pages and pages of “Welcome everyone”?

            All people are asking (and have been asking for quite some time) is that people adhere to the Commenting Guidelines and maintain the format the website has run on for quite some time.

            Like I said, you’re all welcome here, but screwing with how the place works is not so much welcome.

            • Tar

              RAB regulars don’t always adhere to the guidelines either. It’s been all of two days and so many of you can”t stop crying over the guidelines and reply button….try lightening up fans let things settle in.

              • Tar

                *and*

                Although I am sure i a made plenty of *fans* with my comment

              • Chip

                I don’t see a whole lot of complaining about guidelines but not knowing how to use the reply button is just annoying. Just because LoHud had a crap commenting structure doesn’t mean you have to bring that crap here

                • Tar

                  Sure 500 posts talking about not using the freaking reply button and 10-15 posts where the reply button wasn’t used…… It’s whining now.

                  • Chip

                    Easier to stop it now than to do so after a bunch of other people start the habit up

              • W.B. Mason Williams

                Fine dude, if you want to exaggerate the response, and undersell people ignoring the way things have been done, that’s your prerogative.

                The root of the problem is definitely not the people that were already here. There’s no getting around that.

            • Mel

              I can’t get the image out of my mind of Mason Williams with that funky mustache now.

              • Tar

                Mel do you live in the 50th state?

            • MTU

              I will comply gladly.

              I believe in giving respect to get it.

              There will be no problems initiated from my corner.

          • Chip

            If people have constructive things to add to the conversation, then they’re more than welcome around here and are treated with respect. If people come in here, ignore the whole reply button, talk about how O’Brien is a blue chip prospect or how we can never win because we don’t give guys like Ben Weber a shot then they’re going to be told they’re stupid. This isn’t the echo chamber that LoHud was where everybody just screams at each other. Well…..it wasn’t before the past few days

            • Tar

              Last I checked you were a LoHud regular. And I never saw the guy’s name who mentioned Ben Weber on Lohud.

              • Chip

                No, I’ve never commented on LoHud, apparently there is some dude who used this handle from there but I’ve been commenting here since the Big 3 era

                • Tar

                  my mistake and apology to both of you.

                  • Chip

                    It’s on problem, tis a ridiculous time for us all. I know a few of the ridiculous people came here from LoHud so I assumed that the Ben Weber guy was part of that wave.

                    Was it the new Facebook registration that caused everybody to jump ship en masse?

                    • Tar

                      Yes. There are way more very good posters than not. Unfortunately there are a couple of real problem people as well. Hopefully Mike has a plan to deal with it.

      • joeman

        kiss my ass

        • Chip

          Progress!

        • Old Man Time

          Bless your heart. You figured out how to use it.

  • SweetSpot

    Just for grins. Our new lineup at each players prime.

    Gardner – .283 14 HR
    Jeter – .349 24 HR
    Ellsbury – .321 31 HR
    Tex – .301 43 HR
    Beltran – .275 41 HR
    McCann – .333 24 HR
    Headley – .286 31 HR
    Prado – .307 15 HR
    Drew – .291 21 HR

    • oldmanalex

      Reinforces the point that Cashman is always a few years too late when getting someone.

      • Deep Thoughts

        Yes, he should have drafted all those guys when they were young.

  • Evan3457

    Kinda sad to see Roberts go in the way I was sad to see Soriano go.

    They seemed like decent guys and good teammates, but they just couldn’t do it anymore.

    Sad, but not tragic. They make too much money for tragegy.

    • yankeefeminista

      I get that, but what was sad was signing Roberts in the first place. 2B dropped about .200 OPS-wise with Roberts in there.

      • Mandy Stankiewicz

        It’s a shame Roberts has the fluky hips/legs/concussion history that plagues an unfortunate few; he was awesome earlier in Baltimore. I think he was clearly running out of gas—he butchered a few plays this month (historically his D numbers are great) and he (nor any other player) was ever going to match Cano’s offensive production…part of me thinks Robertson was going to catch Cano in homers though, he only had to hit 2 more to hit 7.

  • joeman

    tough switching leagues for a hitter in mid season

    • ChipS56

      I think less-so these days with all the player movement and interleauge.

    • Mel

      Perhaps pre-interleague play…and so many players have moved around they’ve pretty much all seen each other at some point.

  • Jersey Joe

    Is Ryan, Zolio, or Ichiro out of the picture?

    • ChipS56

      I would assume Almonte goes to AAA and the bench is Wheeler, Ichiro, Ryan and Cervelli

    • trr

      Mostly Zoilo, with Ryan + Ichiro riding the pine.

    • Y’s Guy

      stands to reason that zoilo goes down, ichiro becomes the 4th OF again and ryan backs up across the IF.

    • Mel

      I’d say make Ichiro the ball-boy if you want to keep him around…but I’d hate to take playing time away from a youngster…but it might keep butts in the seats.

  • Delbert Grady

    I can’t get all wet in the eyes for Roberts being DFA’d and/or missing his bonus by 2 AB’s. I will give him he stayed healthier than any of us ever imagined he would.

    I so like the moves somewhat – Now go get Rusney Castillo for RF. He’s not going to be able to walk straight into the majors. If he’s ready this season, he’ll still need some time which will give the Yankees time to decide if Drew can play 2b or if Prado should. Then plug Rusney into RF if he’s ready. Instant offensive upgrade.

    If we make the playoffs (big if there) we’ll get smoked by Detroit or Oakland, but at least we’ll be in the dance. With this pitching staff that would be a major accomplishment.

  • SweetSpot

    Roberts was only a bad signing in hindsight; at the time it was a reasonable move. The concern was whether he would stay healthy or not. I don’t think many would have been that surprised if he hit and fielded pretty well. Unfortunately, he did stay healthy but didn’t perform between the lines. He was just a small part of the problem.

    • Tar

      You are persistent

      • Chip

        Well he isn’t exactly wrong. Roberts had a history of being good, he just isn’t after all the injuries and it was a shock that he stayed healthy. Their problem was that they stuck with him so long

        • Jerkface

          He has an ancient history of being good. It was a bad signing from the get go because his recent performance (3 years worth) was either bad, injured, and usually at the same time.

          I really don’t think anyone thought “you know if Brian Roberts stays healthy he will be pretty good!”

          • Chip

            I think a lot of people thought “you know if Brian Roberts stays healthy he might not be terrible!”

            I think the horrible defense was more surprising than the horrible hitting

            • Jerkface

              36 years old, below league average each of the past 3 seasons. I can buy not being ‘terrible’, but certainly not worth playing on a team trying to contend. Brian Roberts in the last offseason looked like a guy that would be playing for a bad team that needs warm bodies or retired.

              I dont think it would have been reasonable to expect him to even be league average even if healthy, which is why it was such a bad move. Your 99% percentile is a guy who is ok. Every other likely outcome was a waste of roster space.

              • Deep Thoughts

                So other than multiyear-contract-delusional Stephen Drew, whom should they have signed instead?

  • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

    Ok, so Prado is playing SS, Drew is at 2B, and Jeter finally moved to the outfield? I can’t believe Cashman waited this long to do it. This guy sucks.

    • Chip

      Heh, I laughed

  • Pkyankfan69

    Brian Roberts, how I hardly wanted to know thee.

  • TopChuckie

    $11M is not too much for the Yanks to pay a utility man and with the age of the Yanks, Prado would be a utility man playing everyday.

    I think they could re-sign Headley, and Drew I guess, though I don’t like him, play Headley at 3B, Drew at SS, ARod at DH, Beltran back in RF, Ref at 2B, Tex at 1B, and then Prado as insurance and rest for all of them except SS. He could play everyday at one of these positions while the regular gets some rest, he would get at least 500 AB’s, and you know eithher Arod, Tex, and/or Beltran will spend time on the DL, and Ref could struggle, so Prado is there to be full time at any one of their positions if necessary.

    • Chip

      I would imagine they see him as a starter who has a lot of flexibility. I wonder if this trade makes Headley resigning less likely as they might want to give him 3B full time next season.

  • nycsportzfan

    Its gonna be a interesting offseason for the yanks. They got a ML 2nd basemen in Refsnyder, but will they be willing to give him the job outta ST or spend on another stop gap? Also, will they attempt to resign Headley to play 3rd and how does Arod situation play out?

    One player i’m hoping they are in the mix for is Justin Masterson. I think he’d fit nice into the rotation.

    • CashmanNinja

      I have a feeling they’ll give Ref the job out of ST — assuming he doesn’t completely fall flat on his face during the “open competition”. I also definitely think they’ll re-sign Headley. The guy is a switch hitter with some power and plays solid defense. Players like that don’t grow on trees. He probably won’t revert back to how he was a few years ago, but I have absolutely no problem if he hits .280/20/85 for us with good defense … he’ll be like this generation’s Scott Brosius. And I’ve always been a Masterson fan. I know he lost a few MPH off his sinker, but I’d still roll the dice as long as he passed a physical.

      • Chip

        Yep, give me an infield of Headley, Hardy, Refsnyder and Tex and I would be fine with it. I’m not sure what they’d do with the trio of Beltran, Prado and A-Rod though so maybe they play some games with Refsnyder’s service time and let Prado start at second

    • TopChuckie

      They have Prado as insurance, no need to spend on a stop gap.

    • Chip

      If they actually do sign Headley and get a decent defensive shortstop, then I’d be all for Masterson. If they go out and sign Hanley to play short, then I would be less interested

  • choochoo

    Drew is also injury prone. Fits right in with the rest of the walking wounded.

    • derp

      good thing he’s a rental and gone at the end of the year.

      • choochoo

        He doesn’t make it healthy to the end of the year.

    • TopChuckie

      Hopefully he gets hurt in time to move Prado to 2B and sign Rusney for RF.

  • Tar

    Drew and Prado should platoon at 2nd. Prado’s splits are pretty even so against LH maybe Joe can him some AB’s.

    There may still be some pitching help, for those that clear waivers.

    • CashmanNinja

      A ton of players will be available, but who knows if one will be able to actually clear waivers without a team pulling them back. Maybe the Phillies would be willing to give Lee up simply for a team absorbing 100% of his salary. That happened with Alex Rios a few years ago.

      • Tar

        I always thought Cashman’s biggest mistake ( don’t get me started) was not claiming Manny for just money.

        • Chip

          Not agreeing to replace Adams with Nunez in the Cliff Lee trade for me although that might have been more of a principled stance than anything

        • Mel

          oh boy Manny and Alex on the same team…instead of Abbott and Costello doing Who’s on First…they could’ve done…Who Injects First.

          • Tar

            Manny destroyed the Yankees. Had he been in the Yankee line-up instead of the Sox…..it pains me to think of the possibilities

  • http://google NYcornerstone

    Where have gone Mr Robinson Cano :(

    • choochoo

      Lee’s return from the DL has been less than impressive and he is not throwing as nearly as hard as he was before. Why would you want him?

    • Mel

      He took a trolley out of town…but at least he got a gift basket
      https://screen.yahoo.com/mr-robinsons-neighborhood-bastard-000000483.html

      • choochoo

        So Mel, when you drop a link like that, you do realize that you are proclaiming to everyone that you are a racist, right?

        • Mel

          BULLSHIT…it’s just a take on him calling him Mr. Robinson, and a play on Eddie Murphy’s old character. If you have no sense of humor go fuck yourself.

  • joeman

    place is a little stuffy..

  • E-6

    the lohud website is a ghost town and it was mentioned there that this is where many have come to roost. I do see many names from pete’s old blog but what about some of the former baseball players that posted there often ? I forget their names but did they move here along with you peps ?

    • MTU

      Pat m did.

      • Tar

        Hopefully Randy will stop by as well.

        • MTU

          Would be good.

  • MTU

    So.

    Now that we have added McCarthy, Headley, Drew, and Prado I ask you.

    Is it safe ?

    • ropeadope

      Put down that drill.

  • Comet

    MTU if you are still out there HELLO!

    Hope you are feeling better.

    YF hi to you as well.

    Mel are you the Mel that used to post on LoHud?

    Not really impressed by today’s trades and all. This Yankees team even if some how qualifies for the post season isn’t getting past the round.

    Better I think to have been sellers than weak buyers.

    • MTU

      Greetings Comet.

      Thanks for the kind words.

      Glad you made the jump.

      • wanzies222

        Hey Mike,

        There is a new thread (open)…

        I’m headed there, FWIW.

        Steve

    • Mel

      Not the same one…posted here before…left to go to LoHud…decided to come back.

  • MTU

    —->

  • Holy Ghost

    I know Roberts has cooled off in the past few weeks but Drew is no upgrade…

    • Daniel

      Eliminating multiple bobbles a game and possibly multiple errors a week ins’t an upgrade? You must know something about baseball, please continue.

      • Mandy Stankiewicz

        Remember when everyone here was like, ‘Kelly Johnson can play first because he can play 3/2B” well, now we’re saying Drew can play 2 because he plays SS. Also, prior to this year, Roberts was better rated fielder than Drew. So, there’s that.

        That said, Roberts was cashed by playing all these games.

        • Daniel

          Well that’s fair enough. But the switch from SS to 2B isn’t quite the same as switching from well anywhere to 1B. Plus, the real question is whether or not Drew is likely to be better than Roberts TODAY. Which I think most people would agree he has to be. Even when Roberts isn’t making errors he looks like he is struggling out there. It is an upgrade.

    • ClusterDuck

      Yes, I don’t think Drew is an upgrade at 2B. I would promote and play Ref now.