Aug
07

Greene tames the Tigers, Yankees win 1-0 in series finale

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So that was the best series of the season, no? The Yankees held on for a 1-0 win on Thursday afternoon, taking three of four from the first place Tigers. The one loss was a very winnable game as well. Great game, great series.

The Greene Monster. (Jim McIsaac/Getty)

The Greene Monster. (Jim McIsaac/Getty)

Tame The Tigers
I don’t know how they did it, but the Yankees’ patchwork rotation went toe-to-toe with Detroit’s collection of aces this week and collectively outpitched them. It was pretty awesome. Shane Greene stepped up on Thursday afternoon and was masterful, allowing five singles and three walks in eight shutout innings. He struck out five and recorded 13 of his other 19 outs on the ground. He was efficient too, throwing 99 pitches total and never more than 18 in an inning (only once more than 14). What more could you want?

The Tigers had two runners reach second base and one reach third base against Greene all afternoon. That’s all. A single (Victor Martinez) and a walk (J.D. Martinez) gave them runners on first and second with two outs in the fourth, but Greene rebounded to strike out Don Kelly. Two innings later an infield single (Ezequiel Carrera) and a bloop single (Ian Kinsler) gave Detroit men on the corners with one out, and this time Greene got out of it by getting V-Mart to bang into a 4-6-3 double play. He executed the exact right pitches at the exact right times.

Greene has been rock solid during his brief time as a big league starter, and I think the difference between his last few starts and this one was his slider. PitchFX says he threw 29 sliders out of 99 pitches, including 21 for strikes and seven for swings and misses. He was able to locate it just off the plate outside to the Tigers’ bevy of right-handed batters, resulting in whiffs and a lot of soft contact. It helps when you can back that up with a mid-90s sinker, of course. Greene was fantastic. What a job.

(Jim McIsaac/Getty)

(Jim McIsaac/Getty)

All With Two Outs
The Yankees scored one run on Thursday and that’s all they needed. Naturally, they did not score that run after Ichiro Suzuki (infield single) and Brendan Ryan (single) reached base with one out in the third, setting things up for the top of the lineup. Brett Gardner hit into a rare 4-6-3 double play to kill that rally. It was only his third double play ball of the season. Bases loaded with two outs in the seventh? Nope, didn’t score then either. Martin Prado grounded out weakly to short to end the threat.

No, the Yankees scored their run after having the bases empty with two outs in the fourth. Prado and Jacoby Ellsbury lined out to left and center field to start the inning, respectively, so it seemed like another quick scoreless inning for Rick Porcello. Instead, the Yankees were able to string together three soft hits to score a run. Carlos Beltran singled to center, Chase Headley blooped another single to center, then Stephen Drew blooped a ground-rule double to left. It was perfectly placed just inside the foul line. Had it not hopped over the wall, I’m pretty sure Headley would have scored from first. Alas. One run is better than none.

(Presswire)

(Presswire)

Leftovers
Joe Girardi surprisingly let Greene start the ninth, but his shutout complete-game bid ended when Kinsler led the inning off with a single to center. David Robertson came on, walked (Victor) Martinez, got super scary pinch-hitter Miguel Cabrera to bang into a 4-3 double play, then got Kelly to line out softly to short for his 31st save. No sweat. (Lots of sweat.)

Everyone in the starting lineup had exactly one hit except for Frankie Cervelli (zero) and Ichiro (two). Drew’s double was the only extra-base hit and Headley drew their only walk, a four-pitch job off ex-Yankee Phil Coke with two outs in the bottom of the eighth. Ryan took a fastball to the back as part of that ultimately fruitless seventh inning rally.

Greene is the first Yankees’ starter to complete eight innings of work since Hiroki Kuroda on July 1st. They’ve gotten only five other 8+ innings starts this year, all by (who else?) Masahiro Tanaka. The bullpen really needed an easy day like this. No one even had to warm up until Robertson got ready for the ninth.

This was only the fifth 1-0 game in New Yankee Stadium history and the first since Chris Archer shut the Yankees out last July. The Bombers are 2-3 in those five games. The other win was CC Sabathia‘s shutout of the Rays in 2011, when James Shields threw away a pickoff throw for the only run.

Box Score, WPA Graph & Standings
MLB.com has the box score and video highlights, FanGraphs some other stats, and ESPN the updated standings. Depending on the outcomes of the night game, the Yankees will be either four games back in the AL East and one game back of the second wildcard spot (Blue Jays beat Orioles), or five games back in the AL East and tied for the second wildcard spot (O’s beat Jays).


Source: FanGraphs

Up Next
This four-game series with the Tigers is finally over. The Indians are coming to town for a three-game weekend set next and they’ll have Trevor Bauer on the mound for Friday’s opener. The Yankees? They still have not announced their starter. Chances are it will be Esmil Rogers in place of the injured David Phelps. Chase Whitley seems to be the other option. We’ll find out soon enough.

Categories : Game Stories
  • AskMeAboutMyCandyBars

    Bob Lorenz on the postgame:
    —–
    “DP’s are so nice.”
    —–
    Can’t make it up.

    • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Drew

      Well in Bob’s defense he was drunk. He is driving home right after he’s done with the postgame show. Watch out CT!

      • Bolek

        Actually, even more in his defense: it all depended on the context and the tone. It could have been obviously intended as a kind of sigh of relief. It could also be that it is so far beyond the experience of most of us to know how difficult it is to keep talking away, in coherent sentences with a sense of paragraph as well, in front of the camera while thousands, perhaps hundreds of thousands, are watching or listening, that we ought to cut the guy a little goddamned slack for God’s sake.

        • http://www.twitter.com/_swarlesbarkley Drew

          Up Here: Joke

          Wooosh!

          Down Here: Your Head.

  • Bo S8

    Deefense, woah!

    • Hankflorida

      Since the All Star game, the Yanks are leading the league in home runs and are still not scoring runs. The problem is the BA with RISP as we cannot depend on this extraordinary pitching especially in the confines of the Stadium.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Never, ever say a series isn’t winnable again in the Series Preview thread. Never, ever say a pitching match-up is a lock for the other team.
    YCPB, Suzyn.
    Confidence Level: 80,000,000,000.

    • AskMeAboutMyCandyBars

      You’ll be voting 10 in the fan poll Monday morning?

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        I’ve never voted a ten. Probably 6-7 range.

        • Dalek Jeter

          Fuck it, I’m going with a 9!

        • AskMeAboutMyCandyBars

          So 80 trillion equates roughly to a 6.5. Was just curious. Pending the outcome of the Indians weekend series, I’ll likely be in the 8-9 range.

  • WhittakerWalt

    Remember everyone saying we’d get creamed by the Tigers?

  • mitch

    Great game. Great series. It’s crazy to me that a week ago lots of people here were hoping the Yankees would trade Kuroda, Robertson, etc. Even if they fall out of the race in the next month, we’re going to have exciting, meaningful games to watch along the way. You’d really give that up for a couple b-level prospects?

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      The “Sell!” crowd is as predictable as the Westboro Baptist Church showing up outside someone’s funeral sometimes.

      • mitch

        they’re the internet vocal minority. I don’t know one real life Yankees fan who would want them to sell when they’re a game out of the WC race

      • blake

        They should have sold last year….this year no….not enough to sell and too much chance to actually make a run given the quality of the other teams…..really wish Tanaka hadnt gotten hurt because if he were healthy right now Id feel fairly good about their chances……maybe it’ll still happen

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          They only should have sold last year in retrospect, maybe. Frankly, if they make the playoffs this year, then I don’t want to fuck with the timeline no matter how bad last season was. I was tooting the “don’t sell” horn at the deadline just as much last season.

        • vicki

          i assume you mean cano, but nobody anticipated seattle’s move.

  • pepespizza

    With Mitchell going tonight in Scranton it has to be Rodgers.

    • JustAJagielo

      Could they scratch him?

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Where does it itch?

  • Madrugador

    Hard to believe but stoked the Yanks took 3 of 4 from the TIgers especially with the pitching staff Detroit has. Got to think that this will either be a turning point or the high point of the season for this team.
    What a game from Greene!

  • Bigdan

    Fun series. Two takeaways: (1) The Yankees still can’t hit a lick. It’s doubtful adding three below average bats will make much of a difference but as to next year (2) the Yanks have found two right-handed pitchers who can win for them in Yankee Stadium. McCarthy and Greene. Like Stottlemyre, Figueroa, and Wang before them, not sexy, but efficient by throwing tons of ground balls. The Yanks absolutely have to bring back McCarthy and find some way to get a real bat into the lineup. I mean something like Jose Abreu because this is just not going to work over the course of a season, as this season has proved..
    Don’t know how they are going to do it, but it would have been a real shame to lose this game and this series the way they pitched. A couple bad bounces and they could have easily lost three games here and played just as well. Can’t keep relying on winning close games.

    • MartinRanger

      Oh god I had erased Figueroa’s tenure from my memory.

      Career averages say that McCann, Headley (who has looked pretty good as a Yankee) Prado Drew and Ellsbury will hit better over the rest of the year. The fact that none of them are obviously in decline makes this even more likely. Beltran’s a wildcard due to age and health.

      Based on that, this offense will get better. They just faced three elite pitchers and one guy who’s probably not done just yet. Give ‘em a break.

      • MartinRanger

        Nevermind I just flat out forgot Ed. Did Nelson ever pitch for the Yankees in one of those 2004-2006 seasons?

    • Bill

      Remember that the Yanks faced three recent Cy Young Award winners and a fourth pitcher who could easily contend for the 2014 prize. No way they were going to blast away. They did get timely hits, which wasn’t happening before. Keep in mind that they could have also swept this series. By the way, love the references to Stottlemyre and Figueroa. Like you, I respect the history and the comparisons are spot on.

      • Bigdan

        I think I’d feel more confident if the lineup fared better against some of the leagues worst pitchers for Texas. I think when your offensive is poor, it makes less of a difference who you face. Most of your batted balls aren’t going to be hit hard anyway so your chances of finding open space are about the same no matter who you face.

        This offense will not improve unless the middle improves. That’s been the case all year and that means McCann, Beltran and Tex. Check out Tex by the month. He’s gone straight downhill since April. Headley is not a good enough hitter to make much of a difference and he’s below average this year as it is. Same with Prado. Drew is a bit of a wild card since he probably hasn’t reached his baseline for this year yet.

        Offense aside, I think McCarthy and Greene are the real deal. Now the Yanks need to find them some bats.

    • YakaTanaka

      Every team is a few bounces away from a different outcome in just about every baseball game. That’s why luck plays such a big role in the game, especially in tiny little samples. The Yankees added three solid MLB hitters before the deadline, and when Teixiera, McCann, and Jeter are actually in the line-up they finally have legit hitters at every spot 1-9. Give it some time before you declare anything about their offense based on tiny little samples.

    • BigDMC

      Orioles did it two years ago, then didn’t last year. Enjoy the pixie dust while we have it

  • umbrelladoc

    If I had to guess, it’s going to be Whitley. Rogers pitched two days ago in the extra inning game. Whitley hasn’t pitched since he threw 55 pitches in relief of Phelps. If Girardi wasn’t holding him back, you would have guessed he would have come in instead of Daley in the 12 inning game.

    • mitch

      regardless of who starts, i think it’s safe to say we’re going to see both of them for 40+ pitches

      • ACX

        Agreed. Probably 3 innings a piece.

    • Havok9120

      I completely forgot about Whitley.

  • blake

    Hard to believe given these pitching matchups that they won 3 of 4 and really should have swept……if they can get Tanaka and Pineda back I think they have a chance to do something special…..we will see

    • Bo S8

      It was good pitching but the D especially Headley and Prado today, put on a clinic. And then those crisp DP’s, awesome.

      • blake

        I think a month ago somebody kicks one or two and they lose today …..no way to know but I saw it way too often early in the season.

  • Bo S8

    Just in passing – the team that was out there today is arguably the top defensive team in the Majors.

    • blake

      It was good …….I think if they had Headley at 3b , Tex at 1b and Drew and Ryan both playin then you be hard pressed to find a better defense

      • Bo S8

        Eeh, Headley has a lot more range and reflexes than Teix.

        But tomato – tomahto. And yes, I’ve been a Cervelli fan forever. He did mess up Greene on that “in the dirt sinker” which resulted in a BB. But that’s being picky.

        • Havok9120

          Headley and his handful of innings at 1B are not better than the MT25 at first.

          Even the army of Tex haters can’t criticize the man’s defensive ability.

  • blake

    Got to give Cervelli some love…..he saved the game twice with those blocks

    • vicki

      he did. and he called a good game.

      • Havok9120

        I was really impressed with how he had Greene pitching. They hardly disagreed, and Shane was hitting Frankie’s target all day.

  • Dos Luises

    Great game to listen to Ma & Pa call over a 3 hour drive through eastern Colorado with no radio station reception. I’ve arrived in my new home on a great day for the Yanks. Stars aligning.

    • AskMeAboutMyCandyBars

      The win is your housewarming gift.

  • Bill

    The fact of the matter is that the Tigers are not as good as they appear on paper and the Yankees are starting to come together with better personnel. The frustration here is that they could have swept this series. Tuesday was an eminently winnable game. The last seven weeks will be fun. Particularly if Pineda and Tanaka can even approach what they did prior to their respective injuries.

    • blake

      Agreed they are good but have flaws and really their rotation isn’t any better than last year IMO…..

    • YakaTanaka

      If you get frustrated every time an MLB team losses a close game they could have won, you’re going to be perpetually frustrated.

  • 518forever

    Helluva start today by the Jolly Greene Giant baby lets goooooo!!!!!!

  • MartinRanger

    Sooooo…who starts the opener tomorrow? Jack Curry suggested Rogers, and I’d be inclined to agree.

    • JustAJagielo

      Probably. I wish we could get a look at Mitchell, though

      • MartinRanger

        At the rate things are going? We probably will. Especially when Capuano’s pixie dust wears off.

      • Dos Luises

        I do too. I guess he’s improved enough that other clubs wanted him at the deadline. I saw him pitch a great game for Charleston a couple of years ago.

      • Havok9120

        Patience. We’ll probably see him sooner or later.

    • Havok9120

      Rogers seems most likely.

      Sigh.

      • Havok9120

        I forgot Whitley existed. Probably him.

  • SweetSpot

    Shane Greene was a 15th round selection, 465th pick overall in the 2009 draft. You can never tell how draftees/prospects are going to do.

    • Dalek Jeter

      Shhh, you’re ruining the “yankees can’t produce starting pitchers and they all wind up as bullpeners or failures” narrative.

    • TWTR

      I think it makes a more important point. That there are multiple cost-effective ways to acquire starting pitching and spending a ton of assets or big money on aging pitching is the least effective way of acquiring them.

      • YakaTanaka

        Efficiency and low cost are not synonymous. Getting great production and paying for it can be more efficient than getting cheap subpar production. No team prefers to pay more money than they have to in order to fill out their roster, but the tough decisions they have to make involve filling holes when there’s no in-house candidate and how to maximize their profit. “Just play all the kidz” is almost definitely too overly simplistic a decision criteria. (And your running argument that players will succeed if they’re given a chance is flawed… lots of players get chance after chance and never do anything. Generally, if a guy never gets a chance in his career it is because he didn’t deserve one.)

    • Mr. Roth

      Cashman succeeded?

  • Bo S8

    This run of quality pitchers coming through. A shout out to Patterson and Aldred, not to mention Wynegar. You don’t hear of Contreras type CB’s any more.

  • Deathstroke Heathcott

    Fun series. Fun times at RAB when the Yankees can do what they did against the Tigers this series.

  • blake

    This series with Cleveland screams trap…..after this big series win with the Tigers they have to be sure to stay focused and keep the throttle to the floor

    • vicki

      the rangers were a trap series. the indians don’t qualify; they’re a decent team. we’re their trap.

      • RetroRob

        Exactly.

    • Pete22

      Like I said earlier, its not who you play but when you play them. Yankees might have caught a break with the Tigers offense due to some injuries which was already weakened with the trade of Jackson.

      Indians are 10-10 after the ASB and have lost their last 2 to the Reds, but they had beat the Tigers 3 of 4 (who have lost every series to AL teams after the SB) and swept the Rangers recently, so who knows.

  • Bubba

    Is it just me or does this team seem to play up (or down) to its competition?

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I’d say fans of every team feel that way.

      • Deathstroke Heathcott

        Kinda true but the 2012-2013 Nets seemed to beat all the sub-.500 teams and lose to all the good teams. But that’s basketball so I guess it’s not that applicable.

    • marechal

      I think people just underestimate how close the gap between teams is in baseball. You usually don’t get matchups where one of the teams is more than a 60-65 percent favorite to win. And it’s usually much closer to 50 percent.

  • just_add_bacon7

    This year’s team is growing on me.

    You know the Tigers players were just sitting there afterwards with a “WTF just happened?” look on their faces. This series looked like an easy three wins or maybe even sweep before they rolled into town.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      B-b-b-ut we g-g-g-ot Price….

      • Deathstroke Heathcott

        One of the biggest joys of being a baseball fan is the few days after the offseason and trade deadline where you get to see the new toys finally play for your team. We pretty much took that joy from Tigers fans by taking 3 out of 4 right here.

  • Austinmac

    Mitchell is listed a the SWB starter tonight.

    Greene has real ability with his low to mid 90s moving fastball to work off. He may well be a long term help.

    • blake

      I say Andy Pettite on a one day contract tomorrow…..I bet he could go 6 strong

      • MG

        I was thinking the same thing and he probably could! lol

      • vicki

        moose.

        • Havok9120

          I’m not sure Moose would sacrifice the Jeremiah Johnson look he has going on right now for a one day contract.

    • TWTR

      All the Yankees have to do to jump start their ability to be better at development is regress to the mean. That should happen as long as players are given an opportunity.

      • YakaTanaka

        If I understand what you’re saying, I generally agree. Regression to the mean is necessarily about luck (random chance) and not ability, though.

    • villapalomares

      I’m on the Chien-Ming Greene bandwagon.

  • blake

    @JonHeymanCBS: Alex rios did clear waivers, as @calvinwatkins said. Nice player imo. Can run, throw, hit. Rather have him than byrd.

    Don’t need either of them now

  • Chris Capueddardo

    This club proved that it can hang with the 5 aces. They are down to their 10th starter and the second shift out dueled 3 Cy Youngs. Now we can sit back and watch the O’s and Jays tonight and pick up a game on one of them.

    • TWTR

      I think the series also gave some indication that “aces” are nice, but without an awesome hitter like Miguel Cabrera at full-strength, the Tigers are not nearly as good.

  • blake

    The tigers rotation was better last year despite the addition of price…..because Scherzer and Verlander were better last year and Fister is gone …..still really good but I’m not sure it’s as good or certainly any better than a year ago

    • vicki

      that’s been true most of the season, but verlander has been much better recently. i mean, not good enough to beat chris capuano; but better.

    • Mr. Roth

      Porcello is much better this year than last year.

  • Chris Capueddardo

    And I don’t think we’ll get trapped in the Indians series. Hail to the Warrior is on Saturday, which should give the club a big boost. Paulie will finally take his rightful place in monument park for the rest of time.

    • vicki

      viva paul o’neddard.

  • Farewell Mo

    This is the high point of the season IMO. Hopefully if they get Tanaka back, he along with McCarthy, Kuroda and Greene (or even Pineda) could be pretty formidable in a short series along with their kick ass bullpen. It would be nice if everything broke the Yanks way like it did for the Red Sux last year.

    • Havok9120

      If Pineda comes back after his next rehab start and Tanaka makes it back on whatever timetable the Yankees currently have in their heads, the division certainly seems attainable.

      That’s as far as I dare dream right now.

  • Austinmac

    Six games over .500 ties the high for the year. A winning streak would be nice before we start the O’s series.

  • MG

    I think this Yankees lineup is going to break out and start scoring runs consistently, there is just too much talent from top to bottom for them not to finally get a bunch of guys hot at the same time.

  • MG

    in 95 and 96 the Yankees didn’t have any superstars, just a bunch of guys who played hard every day and didn’t like losing. I am starting to get the same impression about this team…

    • Dalek Jeter

      Don Mattingly, Derek Jeter, David Cone, Wade Boggs, Mariano Rivera, Bernie Williams, Jorge Posada, and Andy Pettitte all have a problem with that narrative. (They were all superstars.)

      • FIPster Doofus

        Yeah, Bernie had one of the highest WARs in the league in ’95. Give the man some respect.

        • vicki

          that does not a superstar make, though. looking back we see excellent players on those teams, but they were balanced more than anything. so too well into the dynasty years.

          • YakaTanaka

            “Superstar” is an arbitrary term… but if you’re essentially tied as the best CF in MLB and top 20 overall among position players for a two year period… you’re a superstar.

            • vicki

              then we can stipulate bernie. do you not otherwise get what he’s saying?

              • FIPster Doofus

                I fully get what he’s saying. The only one I went to bat for is Williams because he’s the only one whose production justified being called a superstar at that time.

                • vicki

                  my reply was for the guy above me.

                  (love the avatar.)

                  • FIPster Doofus

                    Ahh, OK. Still trying to get used to Disqus.

                    And thank you.

                  • YakaTanaka

                    Getting what he’s saying and disagreeing with his statement that there was no superstar on the team are two entirely different things. They are far from mutually exclusive.

                    • vicki

                      i still think a rational person such as yourself would agree with what he was trying to say, had he phrased it better.

                      he compared those squads to this year’s, after all.

                      though if i’m overestimating someone without knowing him very well it won’t be the first time. (i refer of course to MG, not you.)

                    • YakaTanaka

                      What I am saying is that I never disagreed with what he was trying to say overall. I never addressed it.

            • MG

              No disrespect to Bernie, he had a great career, but he didn’t make his first All Star team until ’97 and didn’t finish anywhere in the MVP voting in ’96. He was one of my favorite players for a long time as well.

          • FIPster Doofus

            If a player is one of the most valuable players in the league in a specific season, I consider him a superstar for that season. MG contended that the team had no superstars in ’95. Given my criteria, I disagree, as I think of what Bernie did that year as superstar caliber.

      • Keyser Soze

        Don’t forget the Bamtino in 96.

      • Evan3457

        Actually, none of them were superstars at the time, except, arguably, Williams and Cone. Mattingly was good in ’95, not great, and retired by ’96. Jeter wasn’t there in ’95, and was a good, not great player in ’96. Cone was there for only the 2nd half of ’95, and missed most of .96 with the aneurysm. He did perform very well for them while he was there. Wade Boggs was a very good player in ’95 and ’96, but not a superstar. Rivera was brilliant in ’95, but basically from September onward only. He was a superstar in ’96, if a set up reliever can be a superstar. Bernie Willams was an excellent player in ’95, but ’96 was really the first of his great seasons. Jorge Posada was a non-factor in both ’95 and ’96. Pettitte was good in ’95, finished 3rd in the rookie of the year voting. He was outstanding in ’96, was runner-up in the Cy Young Voting, but in a very weak field.

      • vicki

        my first instinct was to reject his notion as romantic and inaccurate, but he has a point. boggs was an all-star and elder statesman; but donnie was broken and all but finished, jeter and mo were just starting, and bernie and andy were on their respective ways to underrated (ie, not “superstars”).

        • Havok9120

          Yeah, but you can’t ignore the end of their careers in this narrative. Jeter wound up being one of the best shortstops of all time, Mo was the best relief pitcher in history, Bernie was great, Jorge was a perennial All-Star, and Andy wound up holding most of the Yankees pitching records.

          Sure, none were established yet, but they had half a dozen of the best Yankees of the modern era on that team.

          • vicki

            we may be reading the comment differently. at the time they appeared a rather humble, well-built, synergetic (capital T) Team.

      • MG

        Mattingly wasn’t a superstar in ’95, Jeter was a rookie in ’96, Boggs wasn’t the same player by ’96, Rivera was a 2nd year setup guy in ’96, Posada was in his 1st full year, Andy in his 2nd or 3rd. My point is that they were a group of players who came together at that point in their careers and won the WS-the 2014 have a potentially similar mix, how do we know that guys like Greene, Robertson, and Betances won’t wind up being recognized as superstars and we won’t look back in 10 years as seeing Ellsbury and McCann being recognized as great Yankees just as we recognize Paul O’Neill now?

    • Pete22

      The 96 team was not a great team, the East was a fairly weak division and they caught a break not having to play the Indians in the playoffs. Salaries were much lower then so players did not have the financial security of today

      While they did not have superstars, they had some pretty good established veterans in O’neil, Martinez and Boggs and Cecil Fielder and Strawberry off the bench or at DH, and some of them were former superstars

      The scored runs although they did not relay on the long ball as much as some of the latter teams in the dynasty, and had above average pitching whose strength was the pen.

      I dont see a lot of superstars on this team, although they have a bunch of former superstars and some who are paid like superstars.

      The main difference with this team between now and a month ago is Cashman has made some very key additions that have changed the chemistry and upgraded the talent. McCarthy, Capuano, Headley, Drew and Prado. That’s the key there. These are guys who are playing for contracts, a missing element from a month ago since the core were all content players or retiring players.

      • YakaTanaka

        The chemistry argument is pretty flimsy… And I think that you brought the “great team” element into things. I don’t think anyone even hinted that they were a great team. The comparison was made to the 2014 Yankees… which is definitely not a great team. Point is that they could be a good enough team to make some serious noise.

    • WhittakerWalt

      Bernie Williams was pretty damn close to a superstar. So was Mariano.

  • RetroRob

    Looks like it was a great game and series, all of which I missed. Perhaps I should travel more!

    • Havok9120

      Ahhhh. You were traveling. I was afraid we’d lost you in the Disqus switch.

      • forensic

        Just skimming through before I think I also saw GPU and Fipster arrive, so I guess that means most (if not all) have made it so far.
        This is also serving as a test for me to post from work…

        • vicki

          i won’t be happy until preston makes an appearance.

        • Deathstroke Heathcott

          Give me stuart a or give me death!

      • RetroRob

        I’ve actually had a Disqus account, so I’m covered. Just been a busy week. Hopefully all of the regulars made it over. Now on to the game.

  • RetroRob

    Was Girardi asked why he’s playing Headley at first and Prado at third? Seems it should be the other way.

    • Dalek Jeter

      the consensus thought is that Prado is a better 3rd baseman than first baseman and that Headley is athletic enough to handle 1st base better than Prado has in his career. None of that has been confirmed by girardi though.

      • vicki

        except by his playing them at those positions.

        prado looked fine behind the groundballer. may teix return before we have a chance to miss headley at the hot corner.

        • YakaTanaka

          Prado is a good defensive 3B himself… and Headley’s defense can be a plus at 1B as well as 3B…

    • YakaTanaka

      Why do you think it should have been the other way? People keep talking about “experience,” but Prado hasn’t started more than 4 games at 1B since 2009 and has 37 GS in his career. They may be right or wrong… I’d guess, though, that their analytics department, pro scouting department, and coaching staff all weighed in on the decision. So… a lot more than any of us has probably done.

      • vicki

        headley has won actual games for us with his glove at third. i think this is the bigger issue for people than the collateral prado’s experience at first point.

        • YakaTanaka

          Headley’s ideal position is only half the equation. If Headley is, say, 10% better than Prado at 3B and 20% better than him at 1B, you play them the way Girardi is. How many games Headley has won you at 3B is not really relevant in any way besides measuring how well he plays 3B vs. how well Prado does.

          • vicki

            yes, i get the concept; it’s relativity. i’m not arguing in favor of switching them; i’m explaining the outcry. headley has been compared to nettles over the last couple weeks. justly, i’d say.

            • Billy Bats Eppler

              “Now back to my my project where I settle, sportin’ gold medals, and guarding the base like Graig Nettles”.

          • Billy Bats Eppler

            “how well he plays 3B vs. how well Prado does” while keeping in mind that 3b is the more challenging and important positron of the two.

            • vicki

              now that’s a reference, BBE.

              • Billy Bats Eppler

                I assume you’re talking about the GFK line below?

            • YakaTanaka

              Yankees have, I think, 14 people in their analytics department and countless other baseball people. I’d guess they at least considered all the key variables. Also… 3B is harder to play, but how do you figure that it’s “more important?”

              • Billy Bats Eppler

                Degree of difficulty and importance go hand in hand, no?

                • YakaTanaka

                  In terms of evaluating players in a vacuum, sure. In terms of deciding between two above average 3B for 3B/1B, not sure they do. Maybe since there are more RHH more balls are hit to 3B. A 1B also has his hand in a lot of plays, though, so I’m not sure.

                  • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

                    9 plays per game at 1B; 2.5 per game at 3B, on average.

                • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

                  No. Number of chances per game matters too. A very difficult position that rarely gets a fielding chance is less important than a relatively easy position that gets lots of chances.

                  • Billy Bats Eppler

                    I’m sure that close to 90% of those 9 chances per game you brought up involve nothing more than standing on 1b and receiving the throw. Anybody can do this.

            • http://shhhorsie.com Cheval Anonyme

              1B is more important than 3B, by far. A first baseman has about 9 chances per game. A third bagger has only 2-3 chances per game.

    • Deep Thoughts

      Seems like they won 1-0 with six balls out of the infield all day.

  • Pete22

    Missed the game today, hate day games although the Yankees love them. Definitely a great outcome, game and series.

    Stepping back a bit I am reminded of the old adage that sometimes it ain’t who you play but when you play them. Is the Yankees pitching that good or was the Tigers lineup going through a down time due to Miggies slump, the loss of Austin Jackson and recent injuries to Hunter and their SS. Bit of both perhaps.

    As for the offense, they scored 8 runs against the Tigers starters, each of whom went at least 7 IP, so they did not exactly rise to the occasion. It was all pitching, or lack of hitting on the Tigers side. The bullpen also did a fine job, again.

    Anyways, with a bit of luck tonight, the Yankees will move into a tie for the 2nd WC spot, or at least gain a game on the division leaders.

    • Billy Bats Eppler

      Agree. I’m a little hesitant to get too excited about this four gamer considering that Detroit has been in a massive slump at the plate lately. Still, the Yankees are clearly a better team now than they were for the first four months and that’s a good thing. When they sweep Baltimore next week, then we can get excited (and take care of Cleveland in the interim, of course).

      Disagree. Hate day gaames…….. how is that even possible?

    • YakaTanaka

      I sort of think gaining a game in the division is the lucky outcome. They’re further out, but it’s so much better to win the division than the wild card.

      • vicki

        without question. we still have enough head-to-heads to control our own destiny for the division.

      • Mr. Roth

        I’m rooting for a long game and minor nagging injuries for both sides.

  • mustang

    Great game and great game thread. ? I didn’t have a problem at all with Girardi leaving Greene in and trying for the compete game. Greene stuff still look good in the 8th so why not try to give the pen another day off especially with tomorrow’s situation. ?? A great job by D. Rob speaking of which what’s up with this: ?

    Closer David Robertson says he might have given the Yankees a discount last winter if they had signed him to an extension, George A. King of the New York Post reports. Now, he says, he’ll likely wait to become a free agent this offseason. “It would have to be a legit offer at this point of the year,” he says. ??

    Just don’t see the reason to bring shit like this up in the middle of pennant race. ?BTW Dellin Betances says hi Mr. Robertson!

    • YakaTanaka

      Not sure it’s really saying much. Giving them a discount a year out is the rational thing to do. It’s in his own best interest in theory. Then again, there’s also no way to say what he’s giving them a discount to in that case as there are no other bidders.

      • mustang

        I just think putting the thing in the press right now is in bad taste.

        • vicki

          robertson has been tremendous. reporter did his job asking the question; drob did his job answering. not so controversial.

        • BKamm

          It’s been ages since any member of the BBWAA has worried about “bad taste.”

    • Pete22

      Sounds like Robertson was asked a question and answered it, and did not bring it up on his own. Betances would certainly fill Robertsons shoes, but who fills Betances?. I would say Betances has been even more valuable in his current role than a closer . I doubt they resign him, Hals budget probably won’t allow it.

      • mustang

        He would of been better off giving another answer.

    • cmchale

      What would you do if you were David Robertson? Put yourself on the open market is his best choice, just like it was Cano’s best choice. These guys make more elsewhere. You always make more when you move to a new company.

  • JustAJagielo

    Mitchell was scratched at Scranton tonight…see you tomorrow??

  • http://www.linesinmyhead.blogspot.com Judgielo – The Future

    This was a great wake-up news for us Yankee fans in the far far east. Heh. Good win and outstanding performance by Shane Greene.

  • WhittakerWalt

    Has anyone seen stuart a recently? Is he stumped by Disqus? Or is he severly depressed because the team just took 3 of 4 from the presumptive AL Pennant winners?
    I’m voting B.

  • Rocky Road Redemption

    Great, great series. Goes to show that anybody can beat anybody in baseball.

  • Friend of Fred Stanley

    Gotta love those shocking photos of baseball being played during the day.

  • cmchale

    Yanks got some pitching going on.