Pineda throws 3.1 scoreless innings in first minor league rehab start

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In his first official rehab start with Triple-A Scranton, Michael Pineda struck out four in 3.1 scoreless innings. He allowed three hits (two doubles) and walked one. Thirty-seven of his 58 pitches were strikes (64%). Pineda, who has been out since late-April with a back/shoulder muscle problem, was scheduled for 60-65 pitches. Shane Hennigan says Big Mike hit 94 mph on the scoreboard radar gun, for what it’s worth.

“You get 60, 65 pitches tomorrow, and then you figure five days later you’re getting close to 80. You’re starting to get pretty close. The big thing is that he responds to going out there and physically feels good. And this is further than he was before, so it makes you feel that this injury is healed,” said Joe Girardi to Chad Jennings yesterday. Assuming Pineda feels fine in the coming days, my guess is he will make one more rehab start with the RailRiders before rejoining the rotation.

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  • TWTR

    Keep it up, Big Mike.

  • Blake

    Hooray

  • pepes pizza

    I hear he hit 95 twice for what its worth whick isnt much.

  • Mickey Scheister

    This is very encouraging, still I don’t want to get my hopes up but this could be an amazing “acquisition”, better than any of the other feasible options that were on the market just a few short days ago. Get back soon Big Mike.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Welcome back, brutha. Prove them wrong.

    • pepes pizza

      Hopefully we get news tomorrow that Pineda feels fine and Tanaka is cleared to throw!!!

      • hey now

        I’d buy us all some Grimaldi’s if this comes to pass. Best pizza in America, imho.

    • TWTR

      Prove who wrong? The idea is to prove that he can remain healthy.

      • pepes pizza

        I think that was the point he was trying to make. Many people believe he can’t stay healthy hence the prove them wrong.

        • Giuseppe Franco

          Well, he hasn’t done a good job proving people wrong since he’s only thrown 19 innings in his 3 seasons with the Yanks.

          Whatever they get from him is a bonus. He can’t be counted on.

          • pepes pizza

            So you doubt he can stay healthy hence the prove them wrong is right!

            • TWTR

              How can anyone not be skeptical?

              • pepes pizza

                Again hence the prove them wrong. Im not saying he can stay healthy but i am hoping he does obviously but I think Jorges prove them wrong statement was about his ability to stay heathly not his ability to pitch.

                • TWTR

                  But I don’t people saying he can’t. I only see people questioning if he can. Again, how can they not?

                  • karcotte

                    semantics

                    • Deep Thoughts

                      Thanks guys. I doubted I could get through 15 comments in a Michael Pineda thread without a “pine tar” reference but everyone proved me wrong.

                      Well, I never said I couldn’t get through 15 comments, but how could anyone not be skeptical? You know what I mean?

                    • TWTR

                      No.

          • CountryClub

            Personally, I give him a slight benefit of the doubt since most of the time was missed because of one major injury. Hopefully he can get through the rest of the year.

        • TWTR

          Being skeptical about his ability to remain healthy based on his 19.2 IP since 2011 (which cannot be easily dismissed) is not the same thing as saying he can’t stay healthy. That’s my point.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            I’m so glad a totally innocuous three words merited this long a discussion.

            • pepes pizza

              imagine if you used four words!

            • TWTR

              No problem.

  • pepes pizza

    Severino scratched from todays game with Oblique issue. Newman says its minor.

  • Pkyankfan69

    The Pinetaur is coming!!!!!!

    http://i1001.photobucket.com/a.....dcb295.jpg

    • Tar

      Haha. I do wonder if he plans to continue to use it, and where?

      Somebody pitching against the Yankees the other night, had it right on the bill of his cap. It was really obvious..I can’t remember who it was though.

      • TWTR

        He should use it because apparently most pitchers do, especially in cold weather. He does need to learn to be discrete about it since there seem to be rules of proper application™.

        • Tar

          I agree. I have no problem with him using it, even after getting caught. I will have a problem if he is as dumb as he was the first time around though.

        • pepes pizza

          most pitchers put it on their belts

          • Tar

            Didn’t know that, It makes sense. I would have guessed glove.

            The problem with the bill of the cap (like the pitcher was doing the other night)…is it get’s dirty and it becomes obvious.

          • wanzies222

            FWIW, Pineda had his substance on the back of his neck today.

            Went to it infrequently, and without pattern.

            • RhapsodyInBlue

              The shiny back neck syndrome.

          • Michelle b. Of yankee stadium west

            Most pitchers put it on the bill of their cap or inside their glove. Was at yankee stadium last week and watched Shane green rub some on the bill of his cap and cervelli put some on both shin guards while warming in the bullpen pre game.

            • RhapsodyInBlue

              Gee Michele don’t give away our secrets the enemy could be watching :)

            • Pat M.

              Very observant Michelle B. Those locations have been in use forever. I use to apply TP on the inner part on my glove wrist band, especially on those very cold wet April nights in New Haven.

              • pepes pizza

                New Haven or West Haven? Does your name end in an I?

                • Pat M.

                  pepes pizza….West Haven

                  • pepes pizza

                    I think i know you Pat. You used to throw 80mph when you were 10 years old. My last name is Paine

                  • Jorge Steinbrenner

                    You’re in west haven, pat? Not very far off from you.

        • jgibs

          I believe I remember hearing Joe Torre saying after the whole “Pinegate” fiasco that the league was going to look over the rule after the season. Maybe they’ll make a change. It’s one of those things EVERYONE does and no one really seems to have an issue with so who knows.

          My whole issue with that incident was twofold. 1. That nobody told him to be DISCREET! Unless he truly didn’t do with the coaching staff’s knowledge. And 2. the way the Yankees basically disavowed any knowledge of him whatsoever and let the poor kid who barely speaks English get HOUNDED by the media after the game. Left him flapping in the breeze. Not cool. IMO

          • TWTR

            From April 24th:

            Did the Yankees tell Pineda directly after the first instance not to do it again?

            “There’s been enough conversations,” Cashman said, “and, obviously, there’ll be more.”

            It sounds like a failure to communicate.

    • Mickey Scheister

      That’s a wicked shiner in the picture next to the Pinetaur.

      • Pkyankfan69

        That was post surgery putting some metal in my face after 4 fractures from a skiing accident. Never the hurt at all, nerves in the area got crushed, was numb around that for 4 months or so until they grew back. Fun stuff.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      I chuckled.

    • Oy Vay !

      “Victor Conte, we need a transparent – colorless / odorless – pine tar. Make it happen cap’n ! Oh yeah, call it ‘The Clear’ !”

  • Theonewhoknocks

    Pineda, Kuroda, Phelps, McCarthy is a strong 4. Greene might be able to hold down that 5th spot but ideally Cashman will get a waiver pickup upgrade.

    This division is still there for the taking with a little luck

    • CountryClub

      10 games left with O’s. They’ll have the chance to take care of their own business.

    • Scout

      The problem is that they’re all “strong” 4s; none is close to a #1.

  • mustang

    If he is going to get up to 80 pitches why don’t they just let him do it with the Yankees?

    • jgibs

      I guess I see your point but I imagine they wanna see how healed he REALLY is before they take him off the DL. And second, maybe it’s because they figure these games matter more than Scranton’s so if he’s not really 100% and gets shelled no harm done to the club. Not saying your wrong, you make a good point, I’m just playing devils advocate

      • W.B. Mason Williams

        There’s way more control in the minor leagues. They can pull him for any reason at any time in any count without hurting the big league club.

        Hits his pitch count while he’s 3-2 with the bases loaded and a one run lead? Pull him. Screw the railriders’ record.

    • Paisa

      More than anything I think it’s about reducing the stress level. He hasn’t pitched in 4 months he needs to find his release point, get comfortable in the wind up, get used to fielding his position, all of that spring training stuff. Pitching in the big leagues is about more than just throwing 80 pitches.

    • pat

      Because they might have been only fastballs or fastballs and 2 sliders per inning or something

    • mustang

      You all have real good points, but I still think they should let him do it with the Yankees. Times running out and he probably going to be limited upon his return regardless.

  • JVelaz

    Who would he replace? Capuano??

    • Scout

      Please!

  • Kilgore Trout

    Gardner on first base…Jeter takes a pitch…Gardner on first…Jeter attempts a bunt. Someone missed a sign?? Why isn’t Gardner running BEFORE the bunt attempt? Happening too often with a team that is not scoring. Am I missing something here?

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Besides this being a thread about Michael Pineda?

    • Stratocaster

      Maybe Pineda’s pine tar is on the bottom of Gardner’s shoes now? They’ll never find it there!!

  • wanzies222

    Shane Hennigan ?@Shane_Hennigan now
    Pineda: “I feel my shoulder is really strong. I feel good. I’m ready to go.” Said he knows he doesn’t have control over situation.

    • MG

      That is good news, let’s hope he feels the same way tomorrow, then get him another rehab start in 5 days and then back in rotation with Yankees by the the following week.

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Best he could say after the start, isn’t it?

      • MG

        Pineda needs to pitch to earn a good contract once he reaches arbitration and beyond, he has to be highly motivated to get back in rotation and show what he can do…

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I doubt motivation is going to be the issue.

    • Pat M.

      If The Stadium isn’t going to be dark come October The Bombers will need a healthy Michael Pineda. How goes things Steve ??

      • wanzies222

        Good, Pat.

        Pineda looked loose today. Pretty good command, IMO.

        Curve was good, slider had bite.

        He probably could have gone longer, but that’s now how it’s done.

        • mustang

          If this is true they should really give some thought to bring him up instead of another rehab

        • MG

          It’s nice to have someone there in person to provide some insight. As Pat M says, the Yankees need Big Mike to have a shot at playing anything other than golf in October. Thanks, Steve…

          • wanzies222

            MG –

            His fastball command was probably one of the more encouraging parts of his day.

            He was spotting it at 92-93; when he missed, he missed down (which means he was not over-throwing).

            The few times he threw his 4-seamer, it was up and hard and swing-and-miss.

            Steve

            • MG

              That sounds very encouraging, Steve, that pattern is the same thing that McCarthy has used with the Yankees and they have similar stuff (although Pineda probably throws harder).

    • Pete22

      He said he was feeling good right up until he needed labrum surgery, so hopefully he means it. The numbers and velocity suggests he is feeling good, so see how he feels tomorrow

  • Tom

    If he can stay healthy this would be a HUGE lift for the Yankees. I would love for Mike to prove us all wrong and come back and pitch well for the next 8 weeks

    • Pat M.

      I also need him to post 8 wins this season in order to win my wager

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Hope you didn’t bet much. That’s going to come down to the wire for you.

  • RhapsodyInBlue

    How Pineda feels tomorrow and the next day I suppose is the 64k dollar question.

  • Paisa

    I have no problem with the yanks taking it slow with this guy for now. They’ve gotten good enough performance out of their staff lately that they can wait and make sure that Pineda is not going to screw up on defense or blow out his arm in the 2nd inning and expose our bullpen.

    You’ve got to remember too that this guy is potentially the ace of the staff next year if Tanaka isn’t back and they don’t sign Lester. Might not be a bad idea to be patient and careful with him right now

  • http://Riveraveblues Austinmac

    That is good news on Pineda. I wouldn’t expect he would feel anything tomorrow.

    Who he replaces will probably be determined by the next turn through the rotation. I hope it is Capuano because I think Greene with his moving 94 mph fastball, good slider and CU has a chance to be a no. 3. Capuano has pitched well, but it feels like he will implode at any time.

    • MTU

      Hi Mac-

      Haven’t really seen much of CU out Greene.

      If he does throw one the velocity and action are not sufficiently different to be of use IMO.

      I really don’t understand why the Yankees do not adopt the Rays philosophy in this regard.

      All of their guys are taught to throw a CU early in their MiLB careers, must command their pitches, and log significant innings before reaching the Majors.

      They don’t generally bring up partially finished products who must learn on the job.

      Really smart way to do it IMO.

      Worth emulating.

      • Go Win

        MTU, Fangraphs has Shane Greene showing a change-up about 20% of time, with a speed ranging 79 and 85 mph for an average of 82.1 mph. Given that the fastball is averaging 92.8 mph, the speed differential of slightly more than 10 mph is an acceptable one. BTW fangraphs has the change up as an above average pitch.

        • MTU

          It looks too much like his slider and sinker IMO, and velocity is pretty similar to the slider.

          The velo separation is not the issue. It’s the lack of a different look and action.

          I’m not an expert. Just a fan.

          But it does not impress me and I think he needs a different one.

          His tends to mimic the action on his slider and sinker.

          Greene is unusual in that his sinker dives down rather than
          having more lateral run.

          JMO.

    • nycsportzfan

      I’d def have him replace Capuano.

  • nycsportzfan

    Awesome. Pineda about as good as you could of hoped. Wow, what a boost he’ll be to the stretch run.

    Let me add, Kyle Roller is getting hot again. Clubbed another HR, and went 2-4 for the day. Hes putting together a fine season.

    • Yanks

      He’s organizational filler. He’s never going to be an impact major leaguer.

    • Go Win

      You know who Roller reminds me: Juan Miranda. That was another big and powerfil LH 1st baseman who put three campaigns in AAA hitting about .280, OPSing aprox .850 and hitting a HR every 25 at bats. That is almost identical to what Roller is doing. Both were high strike out hitters: Miranda stoke out aprox 25% of his ABs and Roller is being even worse in AAA striking out over 30%. Miranda got a cup of coffee with the Yankees before being traded to Arizona were he lasted less than a season. In my view Roller will be lucky to even get that much.

      • nycsportzfan

        Miranda never had power like Roller. Rollers OBP is near 400OBP this season as well. He also hits for a solid avg and has in the past as well(for most part). Hes more of a all around hitter then given credit for.

      • nycsportzfan

        I don’t think Miranda ever even had a 20HR season in the minors, did he? He certainly dosen’t have the ability to get on base like Roller has shown. Roller has had over a 350OBP every yr. Thats pretty impressive and exactly where Roller and Miranda differ.

      • nycsportzfan

        Actually, your right Miranda was a solid OBP guy in the minors as well. I should of looked first, just didn’t remember that about him. Even though Miranda didn’t do well, dosen’t mean Roller won’t. There is a reason Miranda got a shot. Now if Roller does what people thought Miranda would, he could certainly stick around. They are different people. I hate when people assume because a guy with similar numbers dosen’t do well in the majors, the other guy wont as well.

        • Go Win

          My only point is that I personally don’t see the yankees giving this guy a real / honest shot to prove what he is worth. Separately, if you ask my opinion, the very high strike out rate in AAA does not correlate well with having success when promoted to the majors. Just saying . . .

    • wanzies222

      FWIW,

      Roller’s HR was lefty/lefty, his first of the year.

      He kinda ran into it more than anything.

      One of those “bats no like curve ball” kinda guys.

      Steve

      • nycsportzfan

        Well hes got a super good OBP against lefties as well as righties. Also, hes got alot less AB’s against lefties, hence the lack of HR’s against them. But either way, there is nothing but positive for the kid to of smacked one off a lefty, any way you spin it. Also, leading the system in HRs while holding a solid OBP and overall Avg is pretty good as well. He hasen’t been a one dimensional offensive player by any standard.

  • Go Win

    Also Pineda coming back healthy and pitching this well reduces the probability of an August waiver trade for a high profile starter, which is also good news for the farm.

    • MG

      I know most Yankees fans expect Tanaka to need surgery but, based on Girardi’s comments about his elbow feeling ‘much better’, I’m going to predict he gets back in the rotation this season and pitches through the issue (if it is still bothering him at all). The Japanese culture is based on honor and Tanaka just collected $20M+ to pitch for the Yankees, sitting out a full season would lose him much face. Plus, he was throwing 94 in his last start, this tear is very minor and the Yankees are following the rehab protocol of 3 different orthopedists.

      • wanzies222

        MG –

        If you haven’t, you should really find and read Michelle’s medical take on Tanaka’s injury (yesterday, I believe).

        It is very informative.

        Steve

        • MG

          Steve, I did read Michelle’s post last night and partially based mine on her assessment, I should have given her credit because it’s probably spot on. Back in the old days pitchers ignored stuff like this and pitched in turn because they knew if they said they were hurt they might lose their spot, the game has definitely changed (and not necessarily for the better) in this era of overly protecting players.

          • wanzies222

            MG –

            I’m glad you had a chance to read it.

            And, I was thinking the same thing while watching Pineda today… no rehab starts back then…just go out and throw or lose your job.

            Different world.

            Steve

            • MG

              I remember the Mick sitting out for at least two months and coming back to hit a pinch hit HR to win a game-his only rehab was probably at a nearby bar. A very different world for sure…

            • Michelle B. of Yankee stadium west.

              Thanks..Both Of You!

              • MTU

                Michelle-

                Your medical knowledge is a welcome addition to any
                forum.

                Really appreciate you sharing it with us.

                Best I can say is College Bio.

              • wanzies222

                Michelle,

                You need to be a fly on that wall tomorrow…lol.

                Best,

                Steve

                • Michelle B. Of Yankee stadium west

                  Some tweets say he’s going to be cleared to throw tomorrow. I heard some info that he my have had an MRI this afternoon.

      • Pete22

        I would take anything Girardi says with a grain of salt when it comes to injuries. A couple of weeks age he said the same thing and then Cashman came out and said “but he still feels it which is not good at this stage”

        Also, I had pointed out several times over at the other place my concern about Tanaka’s higher frequency of the split which doubled compared to his usage in Japan. Some believe the split puts additional stress on the elbow, so even if he avoids TJ surgery, he may end up using the split less, and be less effective since his FB is a hittable pitch that is made effective due to his high usage of the split and slider, both of which are almost unhittable but tough pitches for pitchers with elbow problems

        • Pete22

          That said, I do expect Tanaka and the Yankees to at least attempt to comeback this season since TJ surgery now or October means he probably loses all of 2015 anyways, and Tanaka is a warrior.

          Also, this paper confirms what Michelle was saying for pitchers with partial tear undergoing PRP

          “At an average follow-up of 70 weeks (range, 11-117 weeks), 30 of 34 athletes (88%) had returned to the same level of play without any complaints. The average time to return to play was 12 weeks (range, 10-15 weeks).”

          http://ajs.sagepub.com/content/41/7/1689.abstract

          It does suggest Tanaka might need a bit more time before coming back, perhaps only a couple of tuneup starts for the playoffs

    • wanzies222

      That may be more tied to Tananka’s prognosis.

      Two other factors will weigh on the Yankees’ waiver activity…

      The player’s status for 2015 and they are looking hard at back of the bullpen guys.

      Steve

  • wanzies222

    Just in case Pineda gets in trouble when the Red Sox come to Yankee Stadium on September 2, 2014:

    @JLindgren19 with another relief appearance today for the @TampaYankees 1IP, 4K’s,0hits,0BB.

    • MTU

      Geetings Steve.

      I like the new drafting approach.

      Going w College guys earlier in the draft removes some of the uncertainty.

      • wanzies222

        Agree, Mike.

        Exactly what we discussed around draft time.

        I remember thinking (and probably saying) that Lindgren could get his first look at Ortiz this September.

        Depends on circumstances, however.

        He’s thrown mid-50s innings so far, so he has some room over his IP from last year.

        His slider is Sparky-Lyle-ish.

        Steve

        • MTU

          I like it.

        • Pat M.

          Steve, saw Sparky twice in the spring of 72 in Fort Lauderdale when he first came over from Boston, very nasty slider the 2nd time around. But nothing compared to Carlton’s running in and disappearing illusion like slider. Thanks for the Pineda update

          • MTU

            Pat M.-

            Good to see ya’.

            Carlton was downright scary presence on a ML mound.

          • wanzies222

            Sure thing, Pat.

            I wasn’t going to go see him throw today, but it worked.

            Might do the same thing on his next rehab start, depending when it is. Guys I talked to said either Friday or Saturday in Scranton.

            Depending on how he feels, and how Tanaka’s arm is, and how the Band-Aid Staff does in the meantime, Pineda could get back on the bump in Tampa or at NYS vs the Houstons.

            Either way, he looked free and loose today.

            Hopefully he comes out of it okay.

            Steve

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          40-man situation may be tough in September to make room for everyone you’d like to see have a cameo.

    • Old Kinderhook

      Lindren may be leading the system in 4k innings!

      • wanzies222

        That’s his slider…

        He gets a swing and miss strike three on a slider that is so far out of the zone that it becomes a WP. So he has to strike out another guy…

        Rumblings are he’s headed to Trenton very soon. Hi-A guys are overmatched.

        He’s supposed to get a couple of appearances in Trenton and then a couple in S-WB.

        Results are immaterial; his stuff plays at the highest level at this point.

        Hopefully he gets a chance to compete.

        Steve

        • MTU

          Steve-

          I assume we going hard after Lester in OS ?

          • wanzies222

            Maybe. Long ways off.

            Focus now is getting #28.

            • MTU

              And Castillo.

              What are the whispers on him ?

              • wanzies222

                FWIH, they were/are hopeful that his IF D is passable.

                Only way he could be useful is as a UTIL.

                View him as an asset that only costs $$, so they are interested.

                • MTU

                  They must be fairly interested to have requested the private work out.

                  I just wondered if you heard any scuttlebutt in regards to scouts opinions afterwards ?

                  Were they impressed ?

                  • wanzies222

                    They like him for sure.

                    Not sure they will be the finalist; he wants to play CF, but he also wants to win.

                    He may be comfortable with a Prado role.

                    He’s got a little pop in his bat and he runs a little bit too.

                    Footwork in the IF is okay, but he’s athletic enough he could be a good defensive player in numerous spots.

                    We’ll see.

                    • MTU

                      Thanks Steve.

        • Jorge Steinbrenner

          I wasn’t a believer in this “put him in the majors now” line of thought, but a quick run though the system seems to be working just fine.

          We’ll see him at YS3 at some point next season. Not bad.

  • Terry from NH

    Really?? We are still talking about that stupid pine tar when we should be talking about his promising rehab start and hitting 94 on the gun. Stay healthy and show them what we saw back in early Spring!!

    • Pete22

      He did not look great in early spring and was short on his fastball. He got velocity back in late spring for for a couple of starts in April and then lost it again before going on the DL. Like it or not, the question is if the pinetar enhanced his pitches or not, and how much that had to do with his effectiveness. I look forward to his upcoming starts and hope the whole pinetar issue goes away since it will mean he won’t need it to be effective

  • nycsportzfan

    Pineda has outstanding rehab start and Aaron Judge smacks a HR. Good day so far.

    • Dick M

      AA news is not so hot. That lefty that the Sox got from the Birds shut down Cave, Bird and Austin while Severino was a scratch. Austin did bang one of the wall late in the game. Game was on NESN.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        I saw some of it, thanks to a heads-up from the Great Gonzo. Saw that nice shot from Austin.

        • Cashmoney

          I thought Austin bat was ready for ML two years ago… Here is to hoping he stay healthy long enough to provide yanks options and values in 15.

      • nycsportzfan

        Severino was a scratch? Do we know anything about that yet? As far as Bird and Cave not doing much, I think Judge going yard and Pineda pitching well out does a weak day at the plate by Cave and Bird.

  • LarryM Fl

    I take this year as a positive season whether we make the playoffs or not. The team and organization seemed to be moving in the right direction with trades, etc. Hopefully Pineda will be apart of the team later this season and get about 5/6 more starts. And Healthy too!

    • Pete22

      Beltran and McCann have disappointed, Tanaka might need TJ surgery, CC looks like his days as a SP’er are over, Pineda has a very uncertain future, their closer is a free agent, and their most effective and healthy SP’er looks to be retiring, and Arod is returning along with his salary. Ellsbury has been good, but probably not as good as we hoped. Not a lot of positives there.

      The positives seem to be limited to mainly Gardner and Betances, and perhaps Tex who has exceeded my expectations, although he has not been as healthy as one would like.

      I do think the farm system has had a positive season, but that can be very volatile from Y2Y

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Everything is terrible. We’re all going to die.

        Don’t you even think otherwise.

        • radnom

          I challenge you to name one thing he said that is untrue. If you’re going to shit on someones comment with tired hyperbole, you might want to include at least a nugget of substance.

          • Jorge Steinbrenner

            Why reply to someone’s mostly positive comment with that? Why shit on Larry’s parade? What’s the point?

            In no way I am saying I disagree with some of what he is saying I just have to ask why someone else’s positivity has to be answered with negativity. Larry is not wrong in feeling as he does.

            Have a good night.

        • Pete22

          Fortunately there is a 2nd WC and the weak East might allow us to win the WC with as few wins as last year.

          Pretty sure I will survive no matter what and look forward to having the blog all to myself if the worst happens. RIP. LOL

    • TWTR

      They need to do two things: 1) spend more than they ever have given their abundant sunk costs; but also 2) have the patience to integrate their best prospects on to the roster.

      • Bigdan

        I agree with these 100% with these two summary points. The Yanks did an awful job integrating young position players into their lineup this year. For four months, the team consistently played washed up replacement level vets while at the same time losing an opportunity to give at least two promising minor league hitters (Almonte and Pirela) a serious audition at potentially providing cheap internal production for the future which could have freed up resources to handle other more pressing problems like pitching. Moreover, the team traded it’s best young player for a two month rental replacing him with an average veteran bat at 20 times the cost.

        I also agree generally with Pete’s negative assessment of the current year. Real improvement can only come from a combination of more spending and more reliance on internal farm solutions. Those solution are no longer present this year but there will be opportunities next year. Refs should have a real opportunity to contribute if Girardi and Co. don’t screw up again. There also should be room for a young OF as well on next year’s roster.

        The odds are almost 10 to 1 against the Yanks making the playoffs this year. So it’s pretty much a given that this franchise will be looking at two consecutive dark Octobers. I have no idea how much Hal can comfortable spend on payroll. No one does because no one has a clue about the Yanks net income from operations. But he needs to spend more next year for the Yanks to compete and overcome this post Core Four malaise. And Girardi and Company better start playing young players because another season of Roberts, Ichiro and Soriano just won’t cut it.

        • TWTR

          The great thing is that the best way to offsset the expenditures is with cost-controlled young players, so they are complimentary strategies.

          I’m not as negative as Pete. I think CC will be decent if his leg lets him, and Tanaka will throw tomorrow, so that’s encouraging. But obviously, they aren’t maximizing their abundant resources.

          I am curious whether it is Girardi or Cashman or both that produces the veteran-centric mentality.

          My sense it is the fromer because it’s more in Cashman’s interests to develop the farm as an active pipeline because it is a large part of his job description. But that’s only a surmise.

          • Bigdan

            I don’t know either, but it has to change. Mind you, I don’t think the Yanks should take the Red Sox route and start 4 rookies (actually they’ve even changed that approach). If the Yanks had a lineup of all 28-32 year olds that would be just lovely. But they fielded too many post 35 year old players this year and that won’t work in this era. The game is getting younger as we speak.

            There will be opportunities to work in young players next year. They can’t keep running down the same rabbit holes. Something has to give. Hopefully two straight non-playoff years will be good for something.

    • MG

      You should play more golf, you would have 4 hours to defend that position in between shots :)

  • Pete22

    Pineda is always going to be 1 pitch away from a DL stint. All you can do is be thankful for whatever he gives you.

    He will be a marked man when it comes to pine tar, even if he is discrete. I do believe it made his pitches more effective and the fact he used it in the dome in Toronto shows it was not to combat the cold or extreme sweating for the heat.

    I do think he won’t need it if he can sit at 93 mph and top up at 95. However, at 91 where he was before going on the DL he might need some help to be effective

  • Algernon blackwood

    Now someone is going to hurt his feelings and he’ll be done for the year.

  • Cashmoney

    I noticed when ‘Big Mike’ wear his bill straight, his average velo up ticks by 1-3 mph, my boyz tell me that’s them air resistance.

  • mustang

    Brett Gardner LF
    Derek Jeter SS
    Jacoby Ellsbury CF
    Mark Teixeira 1B
    Carlos Beltran DH
    Brian McCann C
    Chase Headley 3B
    Stephen Drew 2B
    Martin Prado RF

    Not bad lets hope it works.

    • Cashmoney

      it’s a lineup that has some length to it, no doubt. still missing an anchor in the middle of it is my opinion.

      • mustang

        Agree. I still have no hope for this team but we will see.

      • TWTR

        It depends on Beltran’s ability to resemble a healthy hitter. Overall (AVG/OBP/SLG), when healthy, he is still potentially the best hitter on the team. That’s kind of troubling given his age, but it is what it is and he has shown some good signs lately.

    • nycsportzfan

      Prado as your number 9hitter is pretty impressive. As I said before, I don’t think we’ve had a 9hitter that good since Scott Brosius used to bat 9th, and Prado is a overall better hitter then Scott was, albeit, Scott was a ridiculously good fielder, but Prado is pretty good defender as well.

      I’d put that lineup against most in baseball and feel good, at least on paper.

      • Cashmoney

        Prado is a professional hitter though stats does not reflect that this year. Yanks needs a less flawed hitter than Tex to anchor this lineup along with Beltran, imo.

      • mustang

        “On paper”

        This division is a mess the Jays for example seemed to making a move then they lose 3 out 4 to Houston!

      • Pat M.

        I’m with you nycsportzfan regarding the revamped lineup / offensive. Again, I say they bang out 1 run more per game now than they did earlier. It won’t be the sticks that hurt them down the stretch but rather the pitching could be their undoing. Need Pineda to bounce back in a big way. Tanaka would be a gift .

        • TWTR

          If they “bang out 1 more run a game”, it will have more to do with Beltran’s production than anything else. Of course, a return to anything resembling consistent production by McCann would be nice, but I’m not holding my breath.

        • MG

          Pat, how frustrating is it for you, as an ex-player, to watch the modern day hitter absolutely refuse to beat the shift and take the easy hit sometimes?

          One hit a week over the course of the season is about 40 points in batting average, how much better would Teix and McCann’s stats look if those Teix was hitting .275 with the same power numbers and McCann at .280?

          • TWTR

            In addition to what has been his defense, how great was it to watch Headley lay down a bunt to beat the shift?

            *paging Mark Teixeira*

          • Pete22

            Even if they try to go against the shift to get one extra hit a week would mean trying to go against the shift at least 3 times a week or 80 AB. This would result in a drop in at least 4 HR for a power hitter, and 6 doubles and they would still get 7 singles. Total bases would actually drop even if BA went up

  • RetroRob

    I’m thinking he gets two more starts based on absolutly nothing. He’s been gone for so long, making on two rehab starts feels light.

    • Pete22

      He could blow his shoulder out tomorrow. If his velocity and command are there, why waste it down on the farm? On second thought, he may have a tendency to overthrow if called up now, so I think I agree with you. Hows that for a flip flop in the same comment?

  • John in Forest

    He has options left, right? Why not have him throw 75 pitches against Cleveland on Friday night?

  • nycsportzfan

    Mark Montgomery with another solid outing. 1.2inn 0er 2k… Seems to be getting back into the prospect fold. Hes K’d 44 batters in 40.2inn’s and has a avg against of 196BA for the season.

    Lindgren K’d 4batters(!!) in his 1inn of work today..

    Webb was once again really good for Scranton..

    Jordan Foley pitched 4inn and K’d 5 for SI today..

    They are coming!!!

    • nycsportzfan

      Rookie Davis is pitching well of late also.. Seems to be figuring it out.

      • Jorge Steinbrenner

        Rookie of the Year.

    • Go Win

      Also Pinder returning to AAA and striking out the only batter he faced for a save. The question is whether the yankees should protect Pinder and Montgomery, who are Rule 5 eligible this year if I am correct, given the crop of high profile relievers who don’t need to be protected (Lindgren, Webb, Rumbelow, etc)?

  • Pete22

    With Tanaka cleared to throw Monday and Pineda on the horizon the rotation could look pretty good in September (cross fingers)

    • Jorge Steinbrenner

      Tanaka was cleared to throw on Monday? First I’ve heard.