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Yanks vs. Cleveland: 6-0
Yanks vs. Angels: 3-6

The Yanks did outscore the Angels by 15 runs during those nine games. So who do you take? The obvious answer is Cleveland, but the Angels are beaten and battered right now. Vlad’s hurting; Escobar’s shoulder is hurting. Playing the wounded Angels may not be the worst thing that could happen to the Yankees next week.

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  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Facing CC twice scares me alot more than facing Lackey twice (or any other pitcher in the playoffs, for that matter), plus the Rafael’s in Cleveland’s pen are the best LHP-RHP combo in the playoffs, which is also worth noting.

    I think I’d rather take my chances with the Angels right now. I know about the recent history and all that, but you can’t avoid them forever.

  • Marsha

    What are the Boston stats against these two teams? That’s just as relevant because I would be happy not to face the Sox in the ALCS. Those games are just too intense for me. You’re biting your nails or pacing or cursing or all of the above (whatever you do to relieve the tension) at every pitch.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      The Sox are 5-2 against Cleveland and 6-4 against the Angels. But the Indians are a much better team now than they were when the Yanks and Red Sox faced them earlier this year.

  • http://breakingballs.riveraveblues.com Tommy

    The Angels are discussing playing Figgins at second and deep dropping him to provide a short cutoff throw for Vlad so he can play the outfield. Also, Lackey struggles against stellar offenses and Escobar may not even be available to pitch in the playoffs. The Angels are definitely dangerous, but I think they’re the easier matchup, especially since a scenario where the Indians play the Yankees is likely one where they can opt for extra rest day and have Sabathia and Carmona go twice each.

    • mg

      I agree. Even though the Angels push all the right buttons to drive us nuts, facing CC and Carmona twice is scarier than getting tripped up by the running game.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      I hope the Angels pull that Figgins at second, Kendrick at third, Vlad in right deal. How does that make any sense? Normally, if a right fielder cuts a ball off in the gap, the runner is held to a single. But now that you’re adding another throw into the equation – and telegraphing that you’re adding said throw — runner can easily take two.

      I dunno. It seems like a desperation move that will ultimately fail.

      • http://breakingballs.riveraveblues.com Tommy

        I agree. I think you DH Guerrero, and put Rivera in right, Matthews/Willits in center (depending on Matthews’ health) and Anderson in left. With the lineup already stellar at getting on base, I think the added power of having Guerrero, Rivera and Anderson is worth taking over getting Matthews and Willits into the lineup.

  • Frank

    CC’s career numbers against the Yanks?

    8 GS 1-7 41.2 IP 7.13 ERA 43 H 33 ER 9 HR 30 BB 24 K

    Hasn’t faced them in 2007.

    Problem is: We were saying the same thing about Kenny Rogers last year.

    Post-season’s a crap shoot. Yanks have as good a shot as anyone. And I don’t care who they play.

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      CC last faced the Yanks on Sept 1, 2004, and before that it was July 19 2003. That’s a huge gap, so I’m inclined to disregard his track record vs the Yanks. He and Raffy Perez can eat the Yanks’ LHB for dinner in a short series. CC literally.

  • Stephen

    Of course Cleveland’s rotation scares me, especially in a short series where C.C. and Carmona could both pich twice. But, to me, recent history agains the Angels trumps all else. Until the Yanks prove that they can beat the Angels, I say avoid them when possible, even if they are a little banged up.

  • Jon

    Anyone making decisions based on the 6-0 record against Cleveland is a fool.

    In a 5 game series, we could be facing CC and Carmona each twice. We did not face CC at all this year. Versus lefties he has a 74/4 K/BB ratio, and has given up 4 home runs all year.

    Carmona pitched well against us as well (6IP/2R, and 7IP/4R).

    LA is the much preferred matchup, especially in a 5 game series. (In a 7 game series they can still only pitch a total of 4 games on normal rest.)

    BUT – this is assuming we play the long series, which probably is less likely. If it’s CC twice, and Carmona once (or CC on short rest in game 4), then our chances are better of course.

    Should be interesting, however it plays out…

  • Frank

    All the folks saying “Fear CC” – please explain to me why he has consistently shit the bed against the Yanks.

    Thanks.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Cause the last time he pitched against the Yanks, Joba Chamberlain was just a fat kid scooping up dog poop for Lincoln’s Department of Public Works.

    • Jon

      Um, are you talking about the ONE start, that took place 3.5 YEARS ago in which he gave up 3 runs in 6 innings?

      Honestly – I can only assume you were going by memory and somehow it got distorted? Or just looked up his career stats again the Yankees, which mean nothing of course?

      • Frank

        Um, no. I’m talking about the career line of:

        8 GS 1-7 41.2 IP 7.13 ERA 43 H 33 ER 9 HR 30 BB 24 K

        Sure the bulk of those starts came a few years ago. But I’d take this Yankee team over those of Bubba Womack and Aaron Clark, thanks. Indeed, he pitched more games THIS year against the DRays than he has the last two years against the Yanks and Sox combined. That helps his numbers a just a little bit. 9 starts against the Royals and Twins helps too.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          CC’s OPS against lefties in 2004, the last time he faced the Yanks: .815
          CC’s OPS against lefties in 2007: .556

          That’s why we must fear CC.

          • Frank

            I see a correlation not a cause. Who’s to say it not lower exactly because he didn’t face the Giambis and Matsuis and Papis this year?

            Meanwhile, the Yanks have some fine RH bats too, in case you didn’t notice.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

              It’s a stronger correlation than talking about what CC did against the Yanks three years ago. You know how many starters are the same this year as 2004? Four: Jorge, Hideki, A-Rod, Jeter. Das it. If you want to go back to his second to last start against the Yanks, you can subtract out A-Rod.

              It’s clear by looking at CC’s career lines that he’s not the same pitcher post-2005. Before that, he was a young pitcher with potential. From 2006 on, he’s fulfilled that potential. And the Yanks have yet to see the “new” CC. That’s what scares me.

              • Frank

                You’re failing to see my point: He’s a new pitcher exactly because he hasn’t had to face the better teams. A few craptastic starts against good teams would take that luster off. Instead, he’s pitched well against the creampuff lineups (KCR, MIN, TBD,

                Indeed, the best team he consistently faced this year?

                DET – 3-1 32.1 IP 5.29 ERA

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

                  7 innings, 2 runs vs. Detroit 9/19
                  9 innings, 1 run vs. LAA 9/8
                  7 innings, 2 runs vs. Detroit 8/14
                  7 innings, 1 run vs. Boston 7/24

                  So while he has done well against “creampuff” teams, he’s held his own since the break against the tougher competition.

                  Plus, he’s the ace. He’s supposed to destroy the creampuff teams. You can really go through the league and say everyone pads their numbers against crappy teams.

                  • Frank

                    He’s an ace in the sense that Beckett is one. Nah, I fear Santana and that’s about it. Sure, good pitchers do well against the creampuffs. But how often has CC had to face a lineup like the Yanks this year? How about never.

                    Meanwhile, it’s not like he’s dominant. He had two game scores this year above 80+. Das it. Otherwise he mostly puts up 60’s and 70’s.

                    All, I’m saying is if he had to face the Yanks twice in one week this year, I think it’s highly doubtful that he shut them down both times. And that’s what the Indians would need from him.

                • http://riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                  Frank, you’re only setting yourself up for disappointment if you think CC’s a push over. He’s a legit stopper, a true “ace” in his prime.

                  Fear CC.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Fear Rafael Perez. Dude’s given up one XBH to LHBs over the last two years.

  • rbizzler

    The uncertainty surrounding either of these matchups underscores the need for the Yanks to make sure they have their pitching lined up and get guys a few days off (Jeter, Alex, Jorge, Zilla) before the tourney starts. No matter who they face they are going to have to be on top of their game, especially in a short series against CLE’s starters or the pesky (read annoying) Halo’s. Nomaas be damned, blowing your load to make a run at the division is just for fanboys.

  • yankz

    Don’t forget that in 06, Yanks were 6-2 against DET in the regular season. The two games they lost were both 9th inning BS by Scott Proctor, because Mo wasn’t available for either one.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      One was Farnsworth. Home run by Marcus Thames. I remember it vividly.

  • tony from the bronx

    i hope we play the angels.They are not whole right now.Also evry year they beat us we always had the lead ih games and in the deciding game.this year our bullpen seems to be in good shape for a short series were as the angel pen is pretty much shot since tha all star break.As long as torre doesnt start giambi at 1st base we should be able to beat them.