You gotta be sh*tting me

Trenton walks off with a Game 2 win
Get over it, Toronto

The Devil Rays were up by 4 after 1 inning, up by 1 with 3 outs left. But Julio Lugo with his .296 OBP and his .351 slugging percentage, walked to lead off the 9th. One out later, David Ortiz hits a 3-1 pitch into the seats for his second home run of the game, and the Red Sox win 5-4. Ortiz drove in all five runs, and the Devil Rays just made the best case for how utterly worthless they are as a Major League franchise. Pathetic does not even begin to describe this half-assed display of baseball Tampa Bay has put on over their last 18 innings.

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Trenton walks off with a Game 2 win
Get over it, Toronto
  • http://riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Worst part is that Delmon Young had a chance to catch the ball because it was only a row or two deep, but he misplayed it terribly and out it went. He looked like a tourist in Times Square on that play.

    Oh well, go get’em tomorrow.

  • steve

    thats two games in a row …. we should be what? 2 or 3 back now ? ughhhhh

  • Cam

    I thought Kay was joking when he said that he just hit the walk off. I mean, where the hell was Young? The ball would’ve hit him in the face if he was standing in the right place.

  • kris

    Quit worrying about the RS until we play them. They will get their wins, we will get ours.

  • who’s Spanking who?

    Edited by Admin. Trolls will not be tolerated. If you’re a Red Sox fans trolling Yankee blogs, get a new hobby.

  • kris

    America’s team has just been dubbed “baseball’s best organization” by Dayn Perry. Check it out: http://msn.foxsports.com/mlb/story/7215532. It’s like staring at my own pool of sick.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      I saw that earlier today, and I’m ignoring it. Dayn Perry fellates the Red Sox on a regular basis. It’s borderline partisan hack journalism. At least we don’t hide our allegiances under the guise of a supposedly neutral sports site.

  • Yankee Fan in Chicago

    If we take care of bidness tomorrow, we roll into the Hub 4 games back in the loss.

    And if we play them at their place the way we played them in the Bronx there’s every chance we roll out of Beantown Sunday night 1 game back in the loss column, leavinga lot of Pedroia-loving Fenway frat boys in pink Sawx caps crying into their frozen daquiris.

    • Barry

      fuckin hilarious ^^^

  • Bob

    You are being silly. The Rays lost, and it is more frustrating to their fans than it is to Yankee fans. But they are an up and coming team with a non-pareil organization (If I were the Rays, I would not trade my 40 man roster for that of the Yankees) and a core of major leaguers who will compete for titles within 2 years, maybe even next year. Delmon Young, by the way, is an excellent outfielder who messed up a play on a twisting fly ball. And Reyes has been a reliable closer all year; after a terrific save on Monday, he did not succeed Wednesday. It happens to all relievers. (and to all outfielders, on occasion.)

    Your last sentence is partially correct. The Rays did not play well enough to win the last 2 nights, but the phrase ending the previous sentence (“utterly worthless….”) is ill-informed. You may recall that the Rays took 2 out of 3 from the Yankees recently, one on a well pitched game from Sonnanstine who did so poorly Tuesday.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      The Rays competing next year? That’s rich. You’re telling me that the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, a team that has never had a winning record is somehow going to swing 20-25 games in the win column next year? How? What savior of theirs is riding in on a white horse to rescue this pathetic team from oblivion?

      I’m sure it’s more frustrating that the D-Rays lost to the 16,000 fans that show up to their games. I would agree with you there but the team is dead last in MLB attendance so I can’t imagine that too many people really care.

  • RJ – Ct

    Regardless of whether or not they are competing for a title in 2-years (lol) they should still be friggen embarrassed by the way they fold like a house of cards to the sox whenever they play, especially with a lead. How does Reyes even throw that pitch to David ‘hgh’ Ortiz?! Right into his wheel-house! Plus, this after he already homered on the same pitch earlier in the game. My roommate who happens to be a Red Sox fan was actually cheering as though it was a must win game, a sign that they truly are sweating the Yankees even tho they have a 5 game lead with 15 games left. Pathetic. If they do hold on to the division, they should send personal thank-you notes to all the Devil Rays because there have been no less than 5 games that the Rays had in their hands only to kneel down and hand the victory back the the Sux. If it wasn’t for those morons we’d be out by 2 and the whole city of boston would be about to burn with this weekends coming series!

    • Bob

      So is it your view that the Rays are able to beat the Yankees but not the Red Sox?

      Identifying specific games as turning point games in a season, as in “if the Rays had won game A in august the Yankees would be 1 game out” is nonsense. Perhaps had the Yankees not lost specific games or had the Indians done better against NY or whatever, things would also be different.

      I am not arguing that the Rays are a good team now or that they played well the last 2 nights in Boston. I have been a Yankee fan for nearly 60 years, however, and have learned in that time to respect, not disdain, other teams and to evaluate them based on information and reason, not stereotypes and bias. The fact that the Rays have been historically awful masks the fact that the new organization has made dramatic improvements in the system and are preparing a team to contend in the near future. It behooves fans of other teams to be alert to such developments and to avoid writing stupid and ill-informed comments such as this:
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      “the Devil Rays just made the best case for how utterly worthless they are as a Major League franchise.”
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      Blind arrogance and ignorance from its fans does not reflect well on a team.

  • Sherard

    It would be closer than that if you are counting Tuesday’s meltdown. Reyes blew a save at Fenway back in mid-August, too. If the Rays could close a game against the Sox, the Yanks would be but a single game back of the Sox.

    Oh, and Yankee Fan in Chicago, good job with the dead on description of the Sox fan demographic. Everytime I walk into a store here in the Boston and see some of the idiotic “organic” health power bars and shit I am reminded exactly what separates Yankee fans from Sox fans – actual balls.

  • C-Note

    a Devil Rays fan trolling the site? You’ve gotta be f*cking kidding me?

    would trade the D-Rays 40 man for the Yanks 40 man? How come we always here about the Rays being a couple of years away and they are always in last place? Good Luck keeping Carl Crawford & Kazmir whom I’m just sure will be thrilled to play their prime years in the baseball version of Siberia

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      Yeah, the 40-man comment seems like an exaggeration. Basically, the D-Rays 40-man is their 25-man plus David Price and Jeff Neimann. Oh, and Elijah Dukes.

      Plus, my favorite Devil Rays prospect, Evan Longoria, isn’t even on the 40-man.

    • Bob

      As I pointed out, I am a long-time Yankee fan, and I see nothing in my posts that suggests trolling. Joseph P. is right in that I was careless in using the phrase 40 man roster. I would have been more accurate simply to say “in the system”. If you would like to make some comparisons between the players throughout the 2 systems I would be glad to do so. Incidentally, the current organization extended Crawford immediately upon taking over and will most likely do the same with Kazmir. One of the myths about the Rays is that they allow their best players to sign elsewhere. Even under the old administration that was not true for the simple if sad reason that they had no outstanding players. That is what is changing, and all indications are the new leadership intends to keep them.

      Just to begin the comparison, by the way, the Rays outfield of Crawford, Upton and Young is clearly superior to that of the Yankees probably in terms of talent but particularly in the probability of continued development. Additionally, the Yankees have at best grade B prospects at AA and AAA ball, except for some pitchers, while the Rays have the consensus best (or among the 3 best) 3B and SS prospects at AAA and AA respectively as well as lesser but still promising outfielders and a catcher. Although Jackson was called up late in the year, essentially the few significant Yankee prospects (Tabata, whom I have seen play a few times) are much further down in the system, where the Rays also have probably one of the top 5 outfielders by the way.

      As for pitching, Cashman has done a terrific job of building the Yankee system, but even so, the Yankee prospects are still not as promising as McGee or Davis at AA; at best, they match to Mason at AA or Talbot at AAA. As for major leaguers, only Wang (whom I really like a lot) has proven anything over time while the Rays have both Kazmir and Shields doing good work at the major league level. Hughes & Chamberlain are certainly high ceiling prospects, but are no more certain than Niemann or even Price for that matter, although obviously I would have to concede they are currently more advanced. Kennedy probably grades out about equivalent to Sonnanstine, and the Rays also have Jackson on hand as a wild card for the rotation.

      In any case, while we may quibble over specific evaluations, the point remains that the Rays have a productive system and an enlightened management team intent on producing a winner in TB. For Yankee fans to show contempt for them is foolish. Basing one’s opinion on out of date realities is similarly foolish.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        Bob: You bring up some interesting points about the Devil Rays’ Minor League system, but as I said yesterday when the big league – you know, the one that counts – blew their 8-1 lead, we’ve been hearing that argument since 2002. The Devil Rays are always just a few years away from competing. They always seem to have good young players in their system. So either their pitchers don’t develop or those players turn into thugs (Elijah Dukes, anyone?). You mention their outfield, and it’s great. But Crawford’s gone from TB in a few season, and Kazmir, if he doesn’t blow out his arm, will be gone too.

        Meanwhile, they can’t ever hope to compete in the AL East if they continue to draw 16,000 fans per game at home.

        Plus, I’m not basing my opinion on any sort of out of date realities. In ten seasons (counting this one), the team’s never lost fewer than 91 games. They have a team bullpen ERA of over 6.00 and rank last in nearly every pitching category. I don’t care if their minor league teams all win Franchises of the Century Awards. Until they start showing that they can put a halfway viable MLB franchise on the field, I will hold them in contempt.

  • Bob

    Quite the contrary, until this past year I can think of no reputable analyst who suggested they were near competing, whereas now there is near consensus among them that they are. Additionally, for the first time, the talent they supposedly had is performing in the majors and is not simply projected.

    They have never had as deep or talented a system as they currently have nor have they ever been evaluated as such. Again, you are indeed basing your opinion on out-of-date realities. What is real is the intelligence and commitment of the current ownership, which if you read Christina Karl at BP today, for example, you will find a typical statement that it is composed of intelligent management at every level. Here is a sample of one of the more restrained assessments of the Rays by analysts:
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    Lee (Tampa): Since you’re a large fan of young ballclubs are you optimistic about the Rays for the next few seasons?

    Christina Kahrl: Sheesh, spend six years doing yoga and eating right, and I’m a large fan? Sigh…

    I am of a very positive frame of mind with pretty much anything involving the Rays’ progress from here on out. They’ve got smart people at several levels of management, a ton of talent in the system, and barring stuff like the sometimes-weird stuff like their rumored pursuit of Darin Erstad this past winter or the pyrrhic battle with Chad Orvella over his mechanics, there’s a lot to like.
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    And read Sheehan and Carroll for even more enthusiastic reviews. It is not only at BP that you will read this sort of thing.

    It is legitimate to be skeptical. They have proven nothing yet. But that is quite different from contempt. Save contempt for clubs like the Orioles or Pirates who have had no direction, or for columnists like Chass or Madden who demonstrate imbecility or consciencelessness or Selig for his mendacity. But in considering the Rays, recognize the clear, well devised plan and its implementation. As I said, skepticism is certainly reasonable, but not contempt.

    I have ignored the issue of attendance because it is only marginally relevant to the issue. It is a reasonable assumption that success will increase attendance, not the other way around. In the early 1990s, the Expos outdrew the Yankees, you know.

  • Rick in Boston

    It honestly does not matter what people do and think of a team except of what goes on in the present. You’ve mentioned two starting pitchers and zero relievers that are currently in the majors. Last time I checked, a team needs 11-12 pitchers (13 if you’re Joe Torre). And as great as prospects are, they don’t help NOW. If the D-Rays could close out a game NOW, the Yankees would be three back with three games against the Sox this weekend.

    Right NOW, the D-Rays are no better than the Pirates or the Orioles. Next year, could that be different? Absolutely. But right NOW? The only way that the D-Rays are able to close out a game against the Sox is if Boston starts using the Lowell Spinners.

  • Bob

    Relievers are notoriously erratic from year to year. Now and then a Rivera comes along, but such are rare. As a matter of fact, right now the Rays have 5 relievers who are legitimate major leaguers and in any given year can be outstanding. Reyes, Wheeler, Salas, Witasick and Balfour fit that description. Dohmann may also. Of those 6, Reyes, Salas, Dohmann and Balfour have generally played well while Witasick got injured and Wheeler has been erratic. Aside from Rivera, and of course Chamberlain who is not a reliever but serves brilliantly for the time being, the Yankees do not have better. Vizcaino is injured now while Farnsworth is unreliable and the others are not worth mentioning. As for closing out a game, you are right in that it is hard for any team to close them down-as for example Reyes did on Monday or as Glover and Wheeler did on Wednesday before Reyes failed.

    The Yankee rotation is as vulnerable as is the Rays. Right now it is Wang, Pettitte, Mussina?, Hughes and Kennedy with perhaps Clemens. I will take Kazmir and Shields over (or at least close to) Wang and Pettitte, and while Sonnanstine, Jackson and Hammel do not have the pedigree of the Yankee group, they are better bets than the NY veterans Clemens and Mussina now and not far behind the NY rookies as prospects. Actually, I would concede that as prospects they are not in the class of Hughes, Chamberlain and Kennedy, but they have more experience and have pitched about as well over a longer period while the top Rays’ prospects have minor league records pretty close to those of the NY group but are not yet proving it in the majors.

    All that said, you are absolutely correct that currently the Rays are no match for NY or Boston, and also correct that the present is what counts. Of course, the comment about the Rays having some role in the Yankees’ pursuit of Boston is nonsensical; they are not playing to help either team, and if the Yankees are 5 back it is because they have played so badly for stretches this year, not because the Rays failed to close out games against the Red Sox.

    You are also correct that it does not matter what people think, except insofar as it affects attendance. But my response was to the supercilious, arrogant and ill-informed commentary on the Rays. They are in the Yankees’ division, and Yankee fans should be more aware of what is going on with division rivals. Focusing on 2 games is foolish and childish. To be bitter about the Rays not helping the Yankees-or as earlier postings did, claiming the Yankees played badly in losing to the Rays rather than giving credit to the Rays when they beat the Yankees-is churlish and unrealistic.

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