A voice of Minnesota reason in the Santana insanity

'Problem? I don't have a problem. I have problems. Plural.'
MiLB.com ranks Joba 5th

To be honest, this Johan Santana talk has gotten a little bit out of hand. Names and crazy deals are flying left and right, and the papers in Boston and New York are feeding this media frenzy like no other.

Luckily, a voice of reason is trying to speak out through this riotous din. For that glimpse of sanity, we turn to the Twins beat writer for [name of paper], LaVelle E. Neal III. In a piece on the Santana trade discussions , Neal urges everyone to take a step back. Not only is a trade still not even all that close, but more teams are involved than just the Yanks and Red Sox.

Blasphemy, I know, but take a look:

Several teams — including the Red Sox, Yankees, Mets, Angels and Dodgers — have expressed interest. And it was learned on Thursday that the Mariners are in the running, too…

Smith said the Twins could be one of the busier teams next week at the winter meetings in Nashville.

“We’re just looking for the best players we can get,” he said. “Obviously, we’d like to continue add core players at any position. We’ll see what the winter meetings bring, and what’s in the following months.”

So calm yourselves. As you can see, no one’s getting traded yet, and the Yanks aren’t about to do something stupidly drastic such as trading Robinson Cano with a package of players for a guy who’s going to pitch once every five days.

We should all really take a deep breath, back off the trade talk and keep things in perspective. The Yanks are not alone in the hunt for Santana; things are a long way from being settled; and nothing foolish is going down. (At least, nothing more foolish than trading Lastings Milledge for Brian Schneider and Ryan Church.)

'Problem? I don't have a problem. I have problems. Plural.'
MiLB.com ranks Joba 5th
  • Pfistyunc

    Omar Minaya is a fucking moron. It must be nice for Cashman to manage a team in the same city as Omar and Isiah. He can fuck up (and has for several years in my humble opinion) and still look like a genius.

  • TurnTwo

    Just this past season, Omar couldve gotten Cordero for Milledge, and now he couldnt get either Cordero or Jon Rauch in the deal back.

    The Mets had a pair of catchers they could deal with. They just traded their best MLB ready prospect when they still need a frontline SP, or back end bullpen help.

    Thank god for BC… everyone (including me) keep the faith!

  • Glen L

    Apparently everyone has really cooled on Milledge .. even Billy Beane

    I wouldn’t be surprised if we saw something like Gomez, Heilman, Pelfrey and Mulvey for Haren or i suppose more realisticly Gomez and one of those three for Blanton

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Thing is: Blanton’s not that good or worth such a tremendous package. I wonder if Omar’s realized that.

  • Steve S

    I actually think old Lavelle is wrong on this one. Perhaps the Dodgers and Angels can be a target but everyone has said that Johan has the no trade and intends to use it to get to the place he wants. And it seems like he wants a perennial contender like the Yankees or the Red Sox. They must know what teams he would accept a trade to and thats why all the rumors are linking the conversations to those two teams. Plus everyone is saying the Angels really want Cabrera and thats who the top notch prospects would go to.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      Or you, like I do, live in the New York area and have a very New York-centric view of baseball. LaVelle is one of the highest respected beatwriters around. I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt. The Angels and Dodgers and Mariners are interested just like the Yankees and the Red Sox are interested. The point is: Nothing’s happening right now.

      • brxbmrs


        I don’t see the Dodgers giving Santana a deal worth 140- 163 mil. Same for Moreno – he seems to not want to go over 100 mil for anyone – the Guererro deal spoiled him and he’s feeling the 90 he gave Torii. If Moreno does go after anyone and give him 9 figures its Cabrera.

        The Angels have pitching.

        Hope the Twins pry Ellsbury away – let the Sox have Johan – lefty at Fenway could be interesting if those HR #’s last year were a precursor of things to come.

        • Steve S

          Ben I heard him on the Michael Kay show the other day and Im not saying that he doesnt know what he is talking about. But he probably gets his rumors from the Twins and people in Minnesota, and maybe the Mariners are interested, but the reality is that Santana will more than likely reject a trade to somewhere like Seattle. Sometimes being from New York helps and the reality is that the Mariners rumor might be true but common sense tells you its the Twins people trying to increase their offers. Im not doubting the Mariners called, but Im skeptical whether the Twins would really get involved in that knowing that Santana would blow that deal apart. Lavelle also thought that the two empty roster spots on the 40 man was a sign that the Santana deal could happen soon. We see that was off, because that was more a product of the Young-Garza deal.

  • Mitchell’s Eleven

    classic “damned if you do, damned if you don’t” on Milledge, though. they rolled the dice with a youngster, and saw his value plummet once his abilities and character issues were more exposed.

    tell me, if we don’t trade Hughes for Santana and, in 2008 or 9, he winds up needing TJ surgery, do we come back here and call Cashman an ass for not trading him? i won’t.

  • Outlaw43

    Milledge absolutely torpedoed his value last season. He managed to not only show none of his potential at the plate, he also managed to look like a real immature jerk doing it.

    In the Mets lineup Church can very realistically hit .275 with 20 homers and 100 RBI (he went .272/15/70 in a comically bad Nats lineup last season) and he can do it without being a big clubhouse distraction. Does anybody really expect Milledge to do more than that any time soon?

  • steve (different one)

    He managed to not only show none of his potential at the plate

    i’m not sure what you guys are talking about.

    Milledge hit .272/.341/.446 at age 22 good for an OPS+ of 105.

    he’s 22. he was just fine.

    i’m not saying his trade value didn’t fall, it did. but i think anyone expecting more than a 105 OPS+ at age 22 has their expectations wrong.

  • Jay

    I’m okay with losing IPK, but not Hughes. IPK probably tops out as a MLB #2 starter, so to get Santana (a legit #1 for the next 2-3 years at least) is pretty reasonable.
    Melky is a nice player with some upside, but is going to be in any offer. I’d hate to part with either AJax or Tabata, but that also seems inevitable.
    The deciding factor for me would be which 4th prospect makes the package of IPK, Melky, AJax/Tabata acceptable to Minny? And would it really take much to push this package ahead of Lester, Coco, Lowrie and Bowden/Masterson? I’d rate both IPK and Melky ahead of Lester and Coco to begin with, so I don’t see how that offer legitimately puts the Sox in the lead, it’s got to be Minny trying to drive up the price.

  • eric from morrisania

    Lavelle may be one of the better beat writers, but he reported that the Yanks were considering dealing IPK, Hughes, AND Melky, and that’s not happening… that the Mets considered dealing Reyes, and that’s not happening… that the Mariners were considering dealing Adam Jones, and that’s not happening… and that the Dodgers would deal Matt Kemp or Clayton Kershaw, and that’s not happening.

    Not to mention that there’s no way that the Dodgers and Frank McCourt would ever sign Santana to an extension as big as he’s asking for. Ever. Not that organization that was burned by Kevin Brown and Darren Dreifort. No chance in hell. Any article that mentions the Dodgers as legitimate suitors is complete and total bullshit.