The Official Mitchell report thread

A-Rod: Opting out was 'a huge debacle'
Nothing more than a witch hunt

Yeah, we’ve overdone it with the steroids stuff. We’re about 15 minutes away from the press conference, so it’s time to start the official thread. For those of you at work, we’ll throw up names and other revelations that come about during the conference.

Before they begin naming names and alleging allegations, I want to make sure these two thoughts are understood:

1) That a player is named in this list does not necessarily mean he did steroids. Unless, of course, it is accompanied by an acceptable amount of evidence.

2) That a player is not named in this list does not necessarily absolve him.

Let the fireworks begin.

Update by Ben: Get your report right here as a PDF. If you want to read the parts about the Yankees, jump to around page 175. There you will find the story of Andy Pettitte. He supposedly requested and used HGH to speed his recovery from elbow tendinitis in 2002.

Update by Joe: So Kevin Brown not only sent Radomsky a package with $8,000, but he didn’t make Radomsky sign for it? And we had this goon on our team for two years. Ugh.

A full list of players named in the report after the jump:

Marvin Bernard
Barry Bonds
Bobby Estalella
Jason Giambi
Jeremy Giambi
Benito Santiago
Gary Sheffield
Randy Verlarde
Lenny Dykstrka
David Segui
Larry Bigbie
Brian Roberts
Jack Cust
Tim Laker
Todd Hundley
Hal Morris
Mark Carreon
Matt Franco
Rondell White
Roger Clemens
Andy Pettitte
Chuck Knoblauch
Jason Grimsley
Greg Zaunn
David Justice
F.P. Santangelo
Glenallen Hill
Mo Vaughn
Denny Neagle
Ron Villone
Ryan Franklin
Chris Donnels
Todd Williams
Phil Hiatt
Todd Pratt
Kevin Young
Mike Lansing
Cody McKay
Kent Merker
Adam Piatt
Miguel Tejada
Jason Christansen
Mike Stanton
Stephen Randolph
Jerry Hariston Jr.
Paul Lo Duca
Adam Riggs
Bart Miadich
Fernando Vina
Kevin Brown
Eric Gagne
Mike Bell
Matt Herges
Gary Bennett Jr.
Jim Parque
Brendan Donnelly
Chad Allen
Jeff Williams
Howie Clark
Nook Logan
Rick Ankiel
Paul Byrd
Jay Gibbons
Troy Glaus
Jose Guillen
Gary Matthews, Jr.
Jose Canseco
Jason Grimsley
Darren Holmes
John Rocker
Scott Schoenweis
Ismael Valdez
Matt Williams
Steve Woodard
David Bell

A-Rod: Opting out was 'a huge debacle'
Nothing more than a witch hunt
  • Jamie

    Just wanted to give everyone the html for the PDF of the Mitchell Report once it gets released at 2 (prob will be a tad later). I got this off…

    The link is..

    it doesnt work yet, already tried.

  • Yankee Fan in Chicago

    One point, working of the list deadspin posted is that Jeter and Posada come out of this great, given that their rivals — No-mah, Tejada, Pudge, and Tek — for best at their position apparently used.

    No surprise btw that the AP/ESPN et al are spinning this as devastating to the Yankees. Hilarious given that the Yankees core didn’t get implicated and that Clemens and Pettite are no surprise. Meanwhile, Mo Vaughn, Nomar, Tek, Trot, and the list goes on . . . What a joke. But at Yahoo the lead ESPN photo is Clemens (in a Yankee uniform) and Pettite.

    I hope Pujols is a mistake in the Deadspin list btw.

  • Jamie

    Yankee Fan in Chicago – I dont hope Pujols is a mistake. Guy came out of nowhere, wasn’t a prospect, and worked out with that guy from KC who was already in bad shit

  • Bo

    I didnt know this was the McCarthy report. Joe McCarhy apparently replaced George Mitchell.

  • Ivan

    But hey “Court opinion” is the best though

  • Jamie
  • Jamie

    Villone is on the list

  • Jamie

    Glenallen Hill, Denny Neagle, Mo Vaughn

  • Jamie

    Ryan Franklin, Todd Pratt, Tejada (evidence is iffy), Mike Stanton

  • Jamie

    no pujols

  • mg

    Kevin Brown is on there. There is a god.

    • Dimaggio5

      Now if Pavano is listed it will be the perfect day! :-)

  • Clemson Rob

    Say it aint so Villone

  • keith

    Pettitte, Clemens, Stanton, Glenallen Hill, Justice, Knoblauch, Villone, Kevin Brown

    Massive amount of Yankees compared to anyone else.

    • Yankee Fan in Chicago

      From my cursury reading a bunch of those guys used when they weren’t in pinstripes.

  • Yankee Fan in Chicago

    Hmm, I’m not seeing the Sawx listed at deadspin such as Tek and No-mah.

    • Ben K.

      And that is why we didn’t publish that list.

  • keith

    Giambi, Sheffield (obviously but forgot to include)

  • Andrew

    No Tejada? No Varitek or Nixon? Sounds like the only guys who came forward are the Yankee and Met trainers. Great job, Mitchell, you investigated the New York teams.

    • Yankee Fan in Chicago


    • RichYF

      Tejada is there, pg 201

  • RichYF

    Uh, are there even any Sox on this list? I think I saw Mo Vaughn (probably post Sawx but I didn’t bother to read it). Manny Alexander?

    Just get at those Yanks.

  • keith

    Tejeda is in there.

  • Chip

    Wow, way to not pay any attention to the Red Socks outside of Mo (who didn’t suspect him?). This list obviously isn’t comprehensive because shoo-ins like McGwire, Bonds, Brett Boone, Ortiz, ect aren’t on there. All of those guys started hitting home runs just out of nowhere

  • Rob – Ct.

    I was reading the Clemens and Pettite sections and the facts against them. It’s Unreal, they have it broken down to the month in which each began. I don’t see Varitek on there, nor Nomar, nor Pujols. Not many big names after Clemens and Pettitte.

  • Yankee Fan in Chicago

    And Vaughn from my brief reading is implicated post-Sawx.

  • keith

    Where is Sosa, Mcgwire, Pudge? What the hell was this guy doing?

  • It’sMeSNITCHES!!!

    I downloaded Adobe for this?! Lame.

    • Yankee Fan

      If you use the search you can search for specific teams/players, makes it much easier to navigate. It is definetely long, but thats how all huge reports are, especially in Congress (and Mitchell is an ex-senator)

  • Andrew

    So basically, these players were picked out, and it is not exclusive at all. What a joke! Also, HGH is not steroids.

  • zack

    Are you guys really suprised? What in anything leading up to this report would make you begin to think that either this report would be anything close to comprehensive or even accurate or that any Red Sox worth anything would be listed. They’ll probably have one token guy on there, but otherwise, this report, both because of how it went about its business and who it used to do so, was worthless and biased from the start.

    Hell, as already mentioned, the Andy and Roger stuff came out awhile ago and isn’t even news…

    • Yankee Fan

      I totally agree with you and I never expected anything about major Red Sox players. He is on the board of directors for god’s sake! And hes returning to work with the sox after this investigation is over, which is like now. Definetely a horrible choice; could they have picked a more biased guy?

  • iYankees

    Mo Vaugh is implicated.

    • zack

      implicated POST-Sox, mind you…

  • zack

    And on another point, of course, when Pettitte supposedly took HGH, it was, of course, totally and 100% legal to do so. God forbid ESPN should point that out…

    • Tyler

      It’s been illegal since around 1981 for players to take prescription drugs inappropriately. Just because they weren’t testing players or hadn’t specifically said anything about HGH is irrelevant. It was against the rules.

      • zack

        What defines inappropriately though. Using greenies was probably inappropriate too, but it wasn’t illegal specifically until two years ago. Ditto HGH–If it helps speed up a recovery, I would say that is an appropriate use of it, just like a cortisone shot, which of course is a steroid as well.

        My point was that what Pettitte did wasn’t illegal at the time and there is no way that they could accuse him otherwise. Its just like any other loophole created by vague language…

        Do I think he SHOULD have? That’s another matter, but the point is that there is nothing to really accuse him of

        • Tyler

          I made a mistake in my comment. HGH and other prescription drugs have been illegal for citizens of the US to take without prescriptions for a long-ass time. They have been expressly forbidden for major league baseball players since 1971. Or 1991. Either way, it wasn’t 1981, which I wrote. I apologize for my error. Zack, however has made a number of errors, as I will detail now.

          What defines inappropriately though[?]

          Using a prescription drug without a prescription. (See below)

          Using greenies was probably inappropriate too, but it wasn’t illegal specifically until two years ago.

          Wrong. According to federal law, using prescription drugs without a prescription has been illegal for a good long time. According to the baseball rules, (see below) the same has been the case since at least ’91, in fact since 1971, when Baseball banned taking drugs legally banned in the US. This is why baseball players like Steve Howe and Dwight Gooden and Daryl Strawberry (I’m shocked, shocked to see so many Yankees and Mets on the Report, by the way) got busted for coke.

          Ditto HGH–If it helps speed up a recovery, I would say that is an appropriate use of it, just like a cortisone shot, which of course is a steroid as well.

          The baseball rules differ, man. If team doctors were prescribing HGH for injury recovery, your analogy would hold. However, I’m pretty sure it’s illegal to prescribe HGH for injury recovery. Even if it’s not, assuming Pettitte took HGH, he did so without a prescription and broke the law and the rules of the game. When HGH was banned specifically a couple years ago, it was a largely redundant action.

          My point was that what Pettitte did wasn’t illegal at the time

          Your point is wrong.

          and there is no way that they could accuse him otherwise.

          So is your second point.

          Its just like any other loophole created by vague language…

          Again, see the not-at-all-vague language of the Mitchell report:

          Mitchell report, p. 18:

          There is a widespread misconception that the use of steroids and other performance enhancing substances, such as human growth hormone, was not prohibited in Major League Baseball before the inclusion of the joint drug program in the 2002 Basic Agreement. In fact, as early as 1991 baseball’s drug policy expressly prohibited the use of “all illegal drugs and controlled substances, including steroids or prescription drugs for which the individual … does not have a prescription.” Even before then, however, the use of any prescription drug without a valid prescription was prohibited in baseball, and even earlier under federal law. In 1971, baseball’s drug policy required compliance with federal, state, and local drug laws and directed baseball’s athletic trainers that anabolic steroids should only be provided to players under a physician’s guidance.

          (This is up at in an update at the bottom of the press conference post.)

          • zack

            Even accepting all of that as true, although that rule was never in the collective bargaining agreement and Mitchell’s report is the only place I have ever seen that, there is still ZERO actual evidence that Pettitte did anything. I am sure he took it, but that one testimony as the only proof wouldn’t stand up at all. To me, its still a loophole, thus the need to close it by specifically banning HGH in 2005. Paul Byrd took hgh with a prescription, from a sham doctor but one nonetheless, so that makes it a-ok I guess. Who knows, maybe Andy could produce a prescription too, we’ll never know.

            But in no way does the testimony of that one man make Pettitte guilty, even if he actually is.

            And no, your wrong, They can’t accuse him rightly of it because they have no solid proof. Period.

  • Jamal G

    You know whats crazy, is that every single Yankee that has been named in this report can be liked to Clemens’ arrival to the Bronx. Every Yankee listed was reported to have done business with Brian McNamee who was on the Yankees training staff only because Clemens “persuaded them to do so”. So the guy that Clemens used to inject him with is the same guy that spread the “venom” around the Yankee clubhouse from 2000-2001.

    LoL, what a coincedence that we have a former Red Sox to blame for each and every Yankee named in this report.

  • Jamal G

    So this prick interviewed two NY Training Staff guys and yet he thinks this was a fair report on all 30 clubs? What a prick? “You will not find bias, special treatment…” ROFL!!!!!!

    • Yankee Fan

      More like find a 100% biased view

  • Steve S

    They didnt give the Red Sox a pass completely those emails between Theo and the other members of the front office dont look that great. This thing is a complete waste of time its just a rehash of everything that has already come out in leaks.

  • Dimaggio5

    So Andy used HGH to recover faster and help his team – um big deal…..

  • Jamal G

    LoL at Peter Gammons saying “I think Sen. Mitchell did a tremendous job in the way he presented it”. Hmm wonder why?


    This entire proceeding is a JOKE. Why am i not surprised that NO red sox players have been implicated. This is the biggest scam going.

    I cant put too much faith into this report when all the information is coming out of Boston.

  • Lanny

    The Players Assoc will destroy this report. It is a full fledged joke.

    If I’m Andy P, Clemens, etc I am holding a press conf in an hour bashing this.

    What is their evidence? A clubhouse guy?

    • Tyler

      A clubhouse guy?

      Close. Roger Clemens’ personal trainer, whom the pitcher met while pitching in Toronto and stayed in his employ until at least May, 2007 (Mitchell report p. 173, center).

      Oh, Pettitte admitted that McNamee was his trainer over a period of years in an ’06 LA Times article (MR, 176, near the bottom.)

      But of course the simple answer is McNamee is lying because he’s mad at Pettitte and Clemens for firing him (for why, exactly?) therefore Clemens and Pettitte didn’t do any drugs and the drugs they did weren’t against the rules, for that matter. If they were/are against the rules, they shouldn’t be, so everything’s okay anyway, really. Or something.

      Big Papi on the juice? Big Papi is fat. Roger only got fat for real once he stopped juicing, I’d guess. I think Papi’s drop-off this year might have been for lack of speed pills, though, fwiw. Everyone took those. Do y’all really think Tek juiced? I think he just does whatever Jesus tells him to. His numbers have dropped off because he’s old.

      • zack

        Papi isn’t fat. Hes very very strong with fat on top of that. Its like saying those worlds strongest man guys are fat because they have bulk on top of muscles. I have no idea if Papi used/uses steroids/hgh, but make no mistake, he fits the pattern perfectly: sudden explosion in power midseason (remember his first season with the Sox it was only about halfway through the year that he started hitting for power) tied directly to being able to turn quickly on the ball, increased batting eye, early signs of the body starting to fail…Its all there. But you could also say that about a ton of players…

        • Tyler

          I dunno. I’m not say it couldn’t happen, but how is an increased batting eye a sign of steroid/hgh use? I’ve never, ever heard anyone suggest that steroids or HGH improve one’s batting average, and it’s not like Papi’s power didn’t exist in Minnesota, he’d always had that potential (18HR in 300AB in ’01). If I remember right, it wasn’t until a month or two into the ’03 season when Ortiz got to play every day. That’s just a likely an explanation of his sudden increase in power.

          Part of the reason Big Papi is Big Papi, though, is that a ridiculous percentage of his home runs have been really, really dramatic. Trust me, steroids aren’t the reason that Papi smokes it in the situations where A-Rod grounds out. There’s something else there. I think Big Papi learned how to really focus in the summer of ’03. I’ve never heard of torn knee miniscuses being injuries commonly associated with steroids, either.

          • zack

            Well, for one you lost all credibility with the snarky A-Rod remark and inclusion of some mythic notion of “clutchness,” which 2007 should have clearly done away with in your mind. But as for steroids improving vision, I tend to take Will Caroll’s take, which is that while there isn’t any “scientific” studies pointing either way (though i feel like there was recently one, which I will try to find), there is a lot of anecdotal stories about it, and if it makes a baseball player “feel” that they can see the ball better and lock in, it probably helps.
            But steroids DO improve bat speed.

  • LBA Prequel

    Does anyone have a timeline as far as when substances (including HGH) were banned from baseball? I know someone mentioned that HGH wasn’t illegal when Pettitte allegedly took it, but I’d be interested in seeing some timeline associated with this stuff. Thanks!

    • Joseph P.

      It was made illegal in 87 or 88, I believe. That’s all that matters in this case.

      • Jamal G

        It was made illegal back then (HGH), but MLB did not ban it until 2005.

        If Iam not mistaken steroids were banned in MLB in 2001.

      • LBA Prequel

        Actually, I did a little digging (probably should have in the first place). According to an article from the Washington Post (dealing with the Paul Byrd issue earlier this year), HGH was banned by baseball in 2005.

  • Jamal G

    I seem to be on a different opinion han you guys. I actually believe whats in the report. My issue is that the damn thing is too NY based. “Each of the 30 clubs have had players at some point involved in steroid use”. What BS is that? How can he possibly say bthat when his two cornerstones were Kurt Radomski and Brian McName of both New York baseball clubs. Come on man, wtf is that.

  • Jamal G

    Also he said “if you dig further your going to find more names but at what point does it become pointless?” Now, who’s to say there werent any prominent Red Sox players he found out when he was at the point of it becoming “pointless”?

  • Lanny

    SO you believe the report? That’s fine. Believing hearsay and the like. I guess you also believe every allegation against every person.

    Go to the report in the Brian Roberts section and tell us all with a straight face that you think the Report is for real and isn’t just out to destroy rep’s and make the owners look good. I dare you.

    • steve (different one)

      the Roberts evidence was particularly weak.

    • Jamal G

      Sorry, I was not clear enough. I was refering to the Clemens/Pettitte sections. I believe those reports because as of now those are the only two sections I placed my full attention on.

  • eric from morrisania

    Like a lawyer posted in a previous thread, there is no way that Mitchell’s involvement with the Red Sox would stand up to the scrutiny of a conflict of interest investigation. The only way you could get around that was if the list of players was overloaded with Sox, but there are virtually none. What you have, instead, is a preponderance of players who played with the Sox rivals (not just a bunch of Yankees, but Blue Jays and Orioles as well…)

    …which means that this report should be dismissed out of hand. Getting a report on steroids from George Mitchell is like getting a report on Iranian nuclear capabilities from the Bush administration. They’re going to tell you what they want you to hear, and leave out what they don’t.

  • Lanny

    The one legit witness is a convicted felon and cooperated to reduce his sentence. The other is a personal trainer with ZERO collaborating evidence to back up anything he has on his one client, Clemens.

    In what bizarro world is this report released and treated as some kind of fact?

    Clemens and his lawyers should be preparing for battle because he has a great case. So do people like Roberts.

  • LiveFromNewYork

    Didn’t they sing in exchange for leniency?

  • stuart

    brain surgeons the reason there are many yanks is 1 of the 2 sources wprks for the Yankees….

    get the clubhouse help from other teams and guess what???They will name names…..

    • Count Zero

      This sums up my position pretty much — without the “brain surgeons” part. ;-)

  • Lanny

    The big question is why in Gods name would Selig commission this travesty?

    Do you see the NFL doing this? And everyone with a brain knows 95% of the league is on some performance enhancers. The leagues defensive mvp got suspended for 4 games last yr and no one blinked. Imagine if Ryan Howard got suspended for failing a test. The NFL is smart enough to say they have a world class testing system. If guys beat it, good for them.

    Selig is a moron.

    • Count Zero

      “Selig is a moron.”

      That’s a given…proven beyond shadow of a doubt many years ago.

  • davi

    mitchell looks like ed mcmahon. and karma will come back to bitch slap mitchell and the red sox.

  • http://deleted Back Bay Yankee

    I’d like to point out that my earlier post was more or less correct, even though I pulled it almost entirely out of my ass. See below.

    MITCHELL REPORT FINDINGS REVEALED — The much anticipated Mitchell report was revealed today with great fanfare in Kenmore Square, home of historic Fenway Park. The report, weighing in at a hefty 540 pages revealed the controversial allegation that the Yankee dynasty of 1996-2000 consisted entirely of lumps of anabolic steroids clumsily shaped into rough approximations of human form. According to one source close to the investigation, “in the aftermath of the 2001 World Series, the Yankee roster had dried out so severely that further play would have been impossible without the development of the groundbreaking steroid converter, which was used to slowly reconstitute members of the team ahead of the 2002 season.” According to another highly-placed source, the unconverted steroids were used to form Jason Giambi and, later, Carl Pavano’s shoulder, elbow and buttocks. The converter is detailed on page 473, along with a stunning artist’s interpretation of Brian Cashman’s skull pit and corpse tube. Although no concrete evidence was obtained by investigators–many of whom had tiny explosive devices planted in their brains ahead of Yankee interviews–suspicions that Alex Rodriguez is in fact an early model terminator have been confirmed by Peter Gammons. Investigators declined to comment, pointing at their sutured skulls and mouthing the word “kablooie!”

  • barry

    That reports garbage, I wrote more reliable research papers in the 10th grade. The only section of substance was Giambi’s and he had nothing to hide. Seems like there is alot of “he said, she said” in this and nothing more. This was an unnecessary hump, and they concluded that independant testing must be done at undisclosed times throughout the regular season, hmm, couldn’t any one of us told them that for free? Jackasses.

  • http://deleted Mike R.

    How many current Red Sox are mentioned in that report. I read through it and came up with 0. Maybe I miscounted.

  • LBA Prequel

    Only Donnelly, and he was non-tendered yesterday (coincidence?), so I don’t think any current Sox are on there.

  • Clemson Rob

    Does anyone think certain teams knew about these players before this retarded report with 2 cout em 2 sources came out? Many of the “big” names that came out were released and yet stupidly signed by another team. PS I really hope someone finds a check that Whiny Curt Schilling used to pay for his vagina cream.

  • Jamal G

    Donnely was mentioned when he was with the Angles. All the players that have played with the Red Sox listed in this report have been implicated before/after their Red Sox days. And when I say everyone, I mean every single God Damn One.

  • Casper

    Please tell me the Howie Clark in the Mitchell Report is Howie “Ha!” Clark of the 2007 Toronto Blue Jays. (If someone mentioned this above I apologize, little late to the party.)

    • Jamal G

      lol it is.

      • Casper

        I actually feel silly posting that, I’m firmly in the camp that doesn’t really care about the Mitchell Report… It’s still funny, though.

  • bostonsucks@life

    I think I just saw peter gammons drooling during his 650,000 interview, and would someone tell steve phillips to walk into oncoming traffic, this report is lame and incomplete, so get your shit straight before slandering players.

  • Travis G.

    i cant blame George Mitchell for not naming any Sawx players – imagine if you worked somewhere and got asked to do a special job for a few months elsewhere, knowing when you were done you’d go back to the old job. this new job is designed to find cheaters in your industry. how could you possibly call your former/future co-workers cheaters? imagine walking in monday morning after the report that named Ortiz, Ramirez, Varitek, Lugo, Beckett, etc. as cheaters, “hey fellas, how was your weekend?”

    like i said, i couldn’t do that. how could Selig give the job to a fuckin Red Sawx director? ok, nevermind – it’s Bud Selig. that explains it.

  • Pablo Zevallos

    There are two Jason Grimselys on the list

  • inman

    i personally dont care if any red sox are mentioned. im sure there are yanks who used and arent mentioned. i would like to her what pettite has to say being the religious and family man he is always talking about

  • DanElmaleh

    Now this is over, can we move on to finding a set up man, please? I personally find it funny how everyone gets tried in the court of public opinion. I mean, our justice system is predicated upon innocent until PROVEN guilty and here we have a bunch of accusations that don’t meet the slightest standard of journalistic ethics. Every reporter, everywhere, should be saying: the accused steroid-taker Person’s Name.

    With the type of work that went into this report they could have listed every player going back to 1971 and it would be just as accurate.

    I expected more from a former senator.

    At this point we will never know who used and who did not so get over it, move on and play ball and test the hell out of everyone moving forward. Especially those who have heads larger than Lou Ferrigno’s thighs.

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