Yanks finally issue Paulie’s number

Sabathia, Indians done talking for now
Shelley Duncan will make for great quotes

While the official list of non-roster invitees doesn’t reflect the latest news, PeteAbe notes that Morgan Ensberg will get the long-dormant number 21. I always thought the Yanks would retire O’Neill’s number, and Mike and I wonder if Ensberg would hear boos for daring to wear it. The only numbers not assigned to players in camp this year are 6, 51, 69, 98 and 99. Two of those are sure to be retired, and one is just plain funny.

Sabathia, Indians done talking for now
Shelley Duncan will make for great quotes
  • Jeff

    I wonder if it is ever going to come to a point where they unretire numbers… maybe a 50 year wait and maybe put the retired number in gold for the 20th century and silver for the 21st?

  • http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=56352514 Jamal G

    I’m a little disappointed that they did not retire Paul O’Neill’s number but it’s not that big of a deal. Hopefully he takes Paulie’s career path by turning himself from a platoon player into a damn good everyday player.

    • Whitey14

      Minus the shitty attitude and kicking balls in from the outfield (although to be fair I believe that happened when he was with cincy)

      He sure did turn out to be a fantastic player over the years though….

      • Geno

        Shitty attitude? You’re faulting him for being a winner? We’ve been needing someone like him since he left.

        • Realist

          Don’t feed White , he is a moron that has to make Yankee fans feel inferior to his Sox.

          I also find it funny that this drone is on here 24/7 and supposedly has a wife , a child and is a business owner?????

          • Zack

            Sox fans love to hate on O’Neil, which is halarious because he is exactly who they love to worship on their own team: the white, “scrappy dirt dog,” guy who “plays the game right…”

            But Whitey’s not bad, he’s just a Sox fan

            • Whitey14

              You’re right Zack. I also believe that yanks fans aren’t bad people. As it is with Sox fans though, there are some who are bad, but it’s not because of who they root for, it’s just who they are.

              I’ve told the story for years of my trip to the stadium three days before 9/11, wearing a Sox Jersey and a Sox Hat. I got a couple of funny looks, which I deserved, but nobody said a bad word to me. In Fenway, I’ve seen yankees fans with beer dumped on them and with hot dogs hurled at them for no apparent reason. It’s embarrassing to see because not all Sox fans think it’s okay. I realized way back, before the two World Series titles, that a lot of yanks fans just didn’t care about Sox fans because we had nothing valid to say. Unfortuanately many Sox fans are still like a snotty little brother who eventually grows up to be bigger than you and can’t handle it with maturity.
              Smart Sox fans, and there are some, keep our mouths shut because we realize it’s inevitable that someday the yankees will be the bigger brother again and what goes around comes around.

          • Whitey14

            realist, I didn’t insult anybody on the site with my comments so could you please leave the past in the past? If you want to get into another pissing contest, you’ll have to find somebody else. Ben K already asked us to knock it off once already…..also, I’d never insult, or question your family. Some areas are just off limits.

            I said o’neill had a shitty attitude because I remember him getting so pissed off at being unable to get a handle on the ball in the outfield that he actually kicked it back to the infield.

            I also complemented him for being a fantastic player, which he was. You could tell how good a player he was by the fact that he was booed in most of the road cities he played he in. Fans certainly don’t waste their time booing the lesser players.

            Geno, you’re right he absolutely was a winner and a hardass like him would probably have paid great dividends for the yankees these last few seasons.

            • Realist

              You constantly insult …..

              I don’t get why you would even want to come here? Oh that’s right , to make sure us bad Yankee fans don’t say anything bad about the sox! Or get too full of ourselves and beloved team , which this blog is dedicated to. Wow , the self appointed sox , blog cop for RAB…you have reached the pinnacle of your kind!

              • Whitey14

                I come here because I think true fans should try to understand both sides of the rivalry. I’ve found many intelligent fans here that I enjoy talking to and I’ve also found a lot of passion which has just proven my point that fans of the Sox and fans of the yanks are basically the same cretaures, just wearing different jerseys and hats.

                I also visit websites dedicated to the Mets, Blue Jays, Indians, Tigers and Angels as well. Oddly enough, a lot of the folks on those sites spend their time worrying about what the Sox and yanks are doing. But there is clearly not the passion there that I find here or at Sons of Sam Horn, or at Boston Dirt Dogs, etc.

                • Whitey14

                  Also Realist, I don’t care if you say bad things about the Sox, sometimes I even agree. This is still America and we all have the right to free speech. I just disagree with the old adage that everybody has a right to their opinion. I think everybody has a right to an informed opinion which is another reason I come here because the site and the fans are a great source of information about the yankees.

  • Spike

    I wish 31 would get retired. My childhood idol. BIG DAVE!

    • http://riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Word up.

  • E-ROC

    retire 51

  • Jake

    Make Pavano wear 69!

    • http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=56352514 Jamal G

      No, I actually want that jersey to be in game action so I can laugh.

  • Bo

    No relevant to this thread but may as well throw it up here

    from Laws chat on ESPN:
    Ed (NJ): I know Andrew Brackman is shutdown this year w/ TJ surgery. How do you project him 2009 & beyond? Solid #2?

    Keith Law: (1:42 PM ET ) If he comes all the way back and the major-league contract doesn’t screw with his development, he’s a potential #1.

  • Barry

    I think 69 would fit Shelley’s personality.

    • http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=56352514 Jamal G

      I think anything other than “BANG BANG BANG” would not fit Shelley’s personality when it comes to that department.

  • Art

    I’m bummed because to me Paul O’Neil was like Mattingly….Everything good about baseball

  • zack

    When you actually think about it though, there is really no good reason to retire 21. If they do that, they have to start retiring every fan favorite. O’Neil, WInfield, Willie, Murcer etc…

  • Bo

    4 rings is a pretty good reason. Changing the culture of the team and being the best run producer is another.

    • Zack

      If 4 rings is a good reason, then you have to retire Stanton and Nelson and Mendoza and on and on. As for “changing the culture” I’m not really sure you can pin that on any one player. Some cite Jeter. Some cite Donnie M., some cite Andy P, hell, some cite Joe Torre. So that’s not really a good reason.

      The ONLY reason to retire a player’s # is if that player was a HOF or borderline HOF player who also was a fan favorite and made a huge impact on the team. O’Neil is no borderline HOF player…

  • Mike

    Awful news. This is ludicrous. I am going to boo Ensberg mercilessly if he goes ahead with it.

    • steve (different one)

      is this a serious post?

      you would boo a player because he was given a certain number?

      • Taylor

        You Wouldn’t?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!!?!? anyone else i probably wouldn’t care but this is different.

  • Casper

    Put all numbers back into circulation except 3, 4, 5, 7, 15, 42. Leave the other numbers up on the wall like they are, and add new numbers as appropriate (i.e. put 2 up there when Jeter retires).

    That way you’re honoring the past while also letting players wear numbers lower than 50. (I exaggerate… but there are already so many retired numbers and it’s only getting worse.)

    3, 4, 5, 7 and 42 for obvious reasons… Give the highest possible honor within the organization to the true highest-level of stars (plus 42 for Robinson per MLB rule/custom)… and I just like the idea of keeping 15 out of circulation to honor the fallen captain.

  • r.w.g.

    I don’t think it really matters. I’d be surprised if Ensberg makes the team out of spring training.

    • steve (different one)

      why? i’d be surprised if he doesn’t make it.

  • bostonsucks@life

    Assbag pavano shouldn’t even be lucky enough to have a number be on his jersey.

  • dan

    Real mature Ben, real mature.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      What? You don’t think 98 is a funny number also? I don’t know what you had in mind, dan.

  • eric from morrisania

    I can’t wait for 2033, when Carmen Angelini becomes the first ever player in the history of the major American sports leagues to have a three-digit jersey number retired…

  • Brian

    I can’t see anyone with 87, 88, or 89 either. All the coach numbers are not completely determined, but the 50’s like the home for that.

  • Greg G.

    The Yankee number crunch is actually kinda interesting to a geek like me. What made it tough for them this year is that two of their coaches last year wore retired numbers (Gator, Donnie Baseball), leaving two extra active numbers in use for players.

    It’s a stressful time to be a Yankee clubhouse manager. Maybe they’ll start using decimals, or fractions, or negative numbers, or hexadecimals, or…

  • zack

    Duncan should go for #99, just because, well, he’s basically a defensive end