Manny being on his way out of Boston?

Hall of Fame Day
Game 104: Give Me Mute or Give Me Death

Word on the street is that Manny Ramirez and the Boston Red Sox may be heading for a divorce, and today, Jack Curry checks in on the whole twisted situation. If Manny is exiled from the Red Sox, as Dan Shaughnessy feels he will be, he’s bound to become a free agent this off-season and would be an intriguing option for the outfield for a couple of seasons. The Yanks could do worse if they wanted to keep the spot warm until Austin Jackson is ready for prime time.

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Hall of Fame Day
Game 104: Give Me Mute or Give Me Death
  • Andy In Sunny Daytona Beach

    Maybe their front office should ask the president of “Red Sox Nation” what they should do.

    • giselle

      careful, manny might attack him if he doesnt like what he hears.

  • Brian

    Are we talking pre-trade deadline?

  • LiveFromNewYork

    I think that some of Manny’s behavior problems would not fly in the Bronx and though a lot of discipline problems come to the Bronx and keep it in check, I highly doubt Manny could or would do the same. His antics playing on the world’s biggest stage? Too much for him to resist. He’d be a nightmare.

    • giselle

      i agree. i cant stand manny and i’m not just saying that because he plays for the RS. he’d be more trouble than he’s worth if he came to the bronx.

      PS is anyone watching this cubs/marlins game? wtf is wrong with the marlins?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Apparently they keep trading their best players.

        • LiveFromNewYork

          and firing their best manager

    • mustang

      Agree.

  • TheLastClown

    You know, I’ve got a much bigger dislike for Manny than Bonds, but my position would be somewhat similar. If he can help *which he can*…bring him over, but it has to be contingent on his abandoning his lackluster playing. No rolling around on the ground after booting a ball & then laughing & holding onto it in shallow left while the guy goes to third. I hope that the Yanks wouldn’t put up with that kind of shit, let alone give it a catchphrase.

    Also, it’d be interesting to see him without his dreds & such….

  • Andy In Sunny Daytona Beach

    Does anyone think that Manny will accept a trade to some other team, without that team picking up his options? I’m sure that he would go anywhere if they did.

    • DP

      MLBTR has him quoted saying he would.

  • dan

    Where exactly would Manny play? If Melky is gone then they still need a center fielder to replace him. They already have Damon and Nady at the corners for next year with Matsui at DH. Matsui can’t be traded because of his knees, Damon can’t be traded because then they need a new lead-off hitter, and Nady won’t be traded because he’s so cheap. I don’t see a place to put Manny.

    And he also wants a 4-year deal.

    • Kyle D.

      Wouldn’t an outfield of Matsui, Manny and Damon be the most defensively pathetic group in the league? I wonder if you superglued all their arms together if they could reach home. And my guess is still a solid “no”.

  • Kyle D.

    League minimum LH Bonds or something near 20 million Manny? At least Bonds doesn’t dog it on the field, even if he can’t play his position anymore. I’d “rather not being able to” than “too damned stupid and egotistical to bother”. I hate both and think they represent what’s wrong with players nowadays though.

    BRING ME ADAM DUNN AND HIS .230 BA!

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      You what’s messed up? We probably only hear about 1/3 of the crap he really pulls.

      • Kyle D.

        Like say, when he choked a team official about a week after Shawn Chacon went Latrell Sprewell and no one bothered to talk about it? So “Manny being Manny” now incorporates battery and can be laughed away like him cutting off a throw into the infield?

        This world confuses me so.

        • TheLastClown

          Oh my God….that was one of the most dumbfounded I’ve ever been during a baseball game, when he not only cut off that throw, but dove to cut it off. Thanks for reminding me! I wonder if there’s video on it somewhere….I don’t even remember when it was.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    I hope they put him on waivers. The Yanks can claim him and stick him in LF, DFA Sexson, let Nady play first, and then decline Manny’s option and get the two picks.

    That would be pretty freakin’ awesome.

    • Andy In Sunny Daytona Beach

      That would be great.

      But I would bet that this is just a lot of posturing from both sides.

    • Mike R.

      Now there is an idea! I would be on board with that!

    • daneptizl

      What about Damon?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        DH him. Or rotate him and Manny in LF.

        • daneptizl

          But then you have Giambi.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            Well, I mean use Nady is the way Sexson is currently being used.

      • radnom

        I’d even put Damon in center, DH Giambi. I know, I know, but could you imagine
        Damon
        Jeter
        Arod
        Manny
        Giambi
        Abreu
        Cano
        Nady
        Molina

        haha I think that would more than make up for old noodle arm out in center. Never gunna happen though.

  • Mike R.

    No! No no no no no. Seriously no. I don’t know why buy his little “Manny being Manny” act just doesn’t fly with me.

    • LiveFromNewYork

      Because the act is ridiculous. Manny being Manny means I can do what the F I want whenever I want and if you don’t like it, my excuse is “That’s just me.”

      The RS and Red Sox nation have enabled this jerkoff for too long. Are we going to put up with him not hustling, admiring his HRs (even when they’re not HRs and he’s too stupid to realize it). How about the haircut and the falling down pants…how will that play in the Bronx.

      Manny is the stereotypical “doesn’t belong in the Bronx” player. There are more of those than those that do…some come through but do not stay…but Manny would be a nightmare because of his high profile and antics.

      Johnny Damon came from the Red Sox with, arguably, his best years behind him…but we embraced him because he’s not a dope (he’s said dopey things but he’s not stupid) and he’s a team player. Neither of those can be said about Manny.

      • TheLastClown

        Obviously those things wouldn’t fly. The Yankee franchise doesn’t/didn’t depend on him for any type of resurgence after a near-century long tradition of LOSE LOSE LOSE, so they wouldn’t be beholden to him in any way, least of all to put up with all the bullcrap that he pulls.

        Let him stand there & admire a long single, and then let him admire the bench. Or if you really want to send a message to him , let him check out Scranton. His tune will change real quick.’

        He’s only got as much power as the team gives him. Remember who’s signature is on that check.

  • steve

    ehhh. no thanks. the yanks would be smart to stay away from someone with that kinda attitude. i bet he signs with the mets in the offseason.

    ps: any LA yankee fans going to the upcoming angels series ? if so we should all meet up.

    • TheLastClown

      In Anaheim you mean? Or the more upcoming one in the Bronx?

      • steve

        ya my bad, the one in anaheim.

        • TheLastClown

          It’s cool….I’m an LA Yankee fan, and my girl & I will probably go to @ least one of the games. Which one do you have tickets for?

          • steve

            suppose to go to the friday game but now i’m going to the sunday game

            • TheLastClown

              Gotcha…so do you want to meet up?

  • JeffG

    What does it mean to be a Yankee? What is the spirit of the Yankees? If you can imagine Manny on our club I truely think you are missing something.
    Mantle, Munson, O’Neil… they gave more than what they had. Does Manny?
    For me, being a Yankee fan is more than having the championships. It is more than having the players with the tools. It means a lot to me that our players approach the game the right way. Jeter plays hurt. Alex runs out grounders. I’ve never heard Andy, Mo, or Jorge ever embarrasing our club.
    The Yankees are different from other teams. We do not accept players like Manny. I’m really thankful for that.

    • giselle

      well said.

    • TheLastClown

      Dude….we had Sheffield, and I loved him. I agree with the sentiment of your comment, but to say that everyone who’s ever put on pinstripes & been a proud Yankee is the Consummate professional who gives 110% *which no one can EVER do* :)….is kind of pulling the wool over your own eyes.

      And for the record, out of the trio of Andy, Clemens, and Giambi & their PEDs…Andy embarrassed/disappointed me the most, because of the sentiment you’re talking about. Roger was always a little crazy, throwing bats & justifying it by saying he thought it was a ball, and Giambi,….well….if you didn’t know Giambi was on the juice then you’re really enjoying that wool…..but Andy, I loved Andy, and guess what, he did it to.

      But I’m over it. Yes Manny’s a douche. But he’d shape up in pinstripes. He’d have to.

      • JeffG

        Well I guess you get it or you don’t.
        Scheff at least played hard. Although he is a real poor choice for what our team stands for. Guys like him or Mondesi do not last.
        Now Clemens, Pettit, and Giambi… it was an era of the game. PEDs are banned now and that is great. If you think it was such a slight on baseball you are entitled to believe so. But there are plenty of Hall of Famers that took amphedimines / whatever to perform. I don’t condone any of it. But I will say Clemens had more competitive spirit than anyone I have ever seen. His attitude toward the game is much much differnt from Manny’s.
        I guess the word heart is what I’m looking for. Yankee heart.
        Again, you may see my point or you don’t. Those of you who could fathom Manny being in pinstripes obviously do not.

        • TheLastClown

          No, I get what you’re saying, and I know guys like Scheff don’t last. Yeah he played hard, but he was always running his mouth & saying embarrassing things, especially after he went to Detroit. I would bet you that throughout the history of the Yankees, there have been more players like that than the Wheaties box names you mention, but of course the beloved ones are the ones we remember and associate with.

          This is not to say that they are the only type of player out there. They are the exception, and that’s why they deserve acclaim and longevity in the Bronx. I love the “Yankee heart” players, but there’s no way to measure that, and the fact of the matter is, Manny might trick you into thinking he’s got that “heart” while his real motive might be simply to get back @ Boston, or, god forbid, to win a championship.

          Of course he wouldn’t last, like the players you refer to who are “poor choices for our team” I mean, if they got him in a low-value trade or off of the waivers heap, he probably wouldn’t even be around next year! But hell, why not roll out all the thunder you can when the storm starts gathering for the playoff stretch?

          Also, I’d love to see the looks on the Sox fan’s faces when they see just what taking Manny out of the lineup does to Big Papi, and thusly to the rest of their lineup.

          I get you, I’m just being a little more realistic than I used to.

      • http://gftf2.proboards80.com/index.cgi?board=strat&action=display&thread=672&page=1 Double-J

        I concur. I am salivating over the idea of Manny in the Bronx. Haven’t we been saying that guys “clean up their act” when they come to the Bombers (I remember hearing Ponson’s name associated with that statement). Even still, you cannot deny that our lineup would not be significantly improved with Manny protecting A-Rod/vice versa. It might be nice to have arguably one of the best right handed hitters of all-time in our lineup.

        Manny’s act gets old, but this is a town of egos. If Abreu goes after this season (probably) and possibly even Giambi (maybe), and with Matsui and Posada having some uncertain health questions, trotting Manny out there would be insane.

        I’m all for getting Manny in the offseason if he becomes an FA, and it would be quite a coup. I don’t think Sox fans appreciate how much the Ortiz-Ramirez tandem is to be feared right now. I’ll believe that they dump him when I see it, but FWIW, this is (to me at least) one of those no-brainer acquisitions.

        • http://gftf2.proboards80.com/index.cgi?board=strat&action=display&thread=672&page=1 Double-J

          *Would be significantly improved.

          Fixed.

        • LiveFromNewYork

          That’s the thing. I don’t believe Manny has the brains to shape up. Ponson is a drunk and a douchebag but he knows it’s time to “not play around” with the Bronx powers that be. Other discipline problems know this is not the place to pull that crap. Manny is too in love with his own stuff to feel beholden to the powers that be.

    • Count Zero

      Yep absolutely. Clemens, Sheffield, Reggie, Ricky, Krazy Kyle…the list of classy players in pinstripes who approach the game the right way is just endless.

      Gimme’ a break and keep that marketing department copy to yourself…lol

      • http://gftf2.proboards80.com/index.cgi?board=strat&action=display&thread=672&page=1 Double-J

        Could Manny do for us what Reggie did?

        It’s an interesting thought…

      • JeffG

        Reggie is a good example of the what it takes to build a zoo.
        I just feel that during Torre’s tenure and now with Giardi we have had players that don’t pull the crap that Manny does. They play hard. They don’t watch HRs, they run out grounders, they give a damn about their team mates…
        If the Yankee way is marketing, and it is just about pulling teams together with x or y numbers is more important then you are right and I’m wrong.

        • TheLastClown

          Yeah, a zoo that wins championships. People still chant for him when he appears in Yankee stadium.

        • TheLastClown

          Also, Torre & Girardi respectively have little to do with who comes & goes from the team. Little more than suggestion. The front office does that part, and the manager manages what he’s given as a team.

          Have you traveled around the country & seen how many people who don’t care a lick about the Yanks sport their gear? The Yankees made themselves into an empire with winning and marketing that winning. There is no shame to that. All the money that we love to see go to A-Rod, Jeter, Mo, etc etc…. comes directly from the success of that marketing.

          Don’t know why this is looked at as a bad thing.

    • LiveFromNewYork

      TRUE THAT. well said. Manny would be phoning it in if he even bothered to pick up the phone.

    • Whitey14

      You had Reggie Jackson for five seasons. Don’t tell me you don’t put up with players thinking they’re bigger than the team. I think you’d find their actions comparable, but Manny’s stats are better…

  • DP

    First of all, Manny’s defense is probably the same as Bonds’. His range is routinely the worst- the only reason its noticed less is because he only has to cover like 50 feet in Fenway. That being said, his hitting far outweighs his antics. Who cares if he’s a clown? Staring at the ball probably costs him 2 doubles all year, the man can flat out rake. If a spot on the roster opens up, why not bring him in? Imagine him and A-Rod back to back. 1,050 career HR in 2 lineup spots.

    The point is moot. This happens every year, the Red Sox are not gonna let him go.

    • TheLastClown

      Correct me please, but I don’t seem to remember the rumor mill circulating from the front office side. I remember Manny asking from trades, demanding them, so on.

      • DP

        They put him on waivers in 2003 and no one claimed him…

        • TheLastClown

          Really? Why not?

          • DP

            I guess the money. At the time, his contract was monstrous. The Yankees had just signed Matsui so there wasn’t a spot for Manny.

  • mustang

    “Red Sox outfielder Manny Ramirez said today that he’d approve a trade if the team can reach one.”
    Please let be out of the AL.

  • DP

    Also, looks like the game is gonna get rained out tonight. Sucks to not have the game to watch but they could do worse than avoiding Ponson in Fenway after taking two.

    • TheLastClown

      Couldn’t agree more….@ least the Rays lost

    • Newman

      PeteAbe says the storms should clear by gametime. Anyone know what the weather is like there currently? I’m assuming rain

      • DP

        Weather.com strongly disagrees. At 8pm: “Heavy T-Storms. 80% precip chance.” 9pm: “Heavy T-Storms. 70% precip chance.” Only at 10 does it drop to 50%, and I know they usually postpone games when the forecast is like that. I wouldn’t be surprised if its postponed within the next hour.

      • giselle

        i live an 45 min north of boston and its scary as shit thunderstorms here. but they’re off and on, and i don’t think its as bad in boston. i bet they’ll play, then there’ll be a rain delay to knock off the starters, which will lead to a battle of the bullpens.

        and the yankees will win.

        • Newman

          I’ll sign for that forecast right now, including the victory part

  • pete

    imagine having A-Rod’s, Manny’s, and Cano’s swings all in the same lineup.
    It’d be a work of art.

  • giselle

    Dunno if someone already posted this, but it does seem like manny’s not staying in boston for long.

    If they can get a trade, I’d approve it. If they can’t trade me, then they will simply have to inform me by the end of the season that they won’t use the options and we’ll go separate ways,” said Ramirez, who must approve any trade to a different team because of his 10-5 condition (10 years in the Major Leagues and the last five with the same team).

    and there’s also this gem towards the bottom

    The Yankees are getting closer and getting stronger, while we haven’t done much,” said Ramirez. “I could say that right now there’s a strange atmosphere in our team,” he added.

    ahh, music to my ears.
    http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/.....id=3507249

    • LiveFromNewYork

      He said he’d play in Iraq. I suggest we give him a bat, a ball and a plane ticket.

      • giselle

        i bet he couldn’t even locate iraq on a map. he probably thinks the blue part on the map is land. (any arrested development fans here?)

        • LiveFromNewYork

          AD was my favorite show when it was on. Brilliant brilliant and more brilliant.

          • giselle

            i bought all the dvd’s. still can’t believe it was cancelled! but there have been talks about an arrested development movie. hope it happens.

            • TheLastClown

              It’s in development. Slated for a 2009 release, if I had to guess, sometime around May/June next year.

              I live in Hollywood & work in the industry when I’m not ranting and raving on here or watching the Yankees :)

              • giselle

                excellent! i heard will arnett say it was “in talks”. he came to do a comedy show at my school w/ will ferrell and they opened the floor up for q’s afterwards. of course someone had to ask about the movie.

                ferrell said he’d finance it himself if it was filmed in mexico and cost less than a few thousand dollars. lol.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      “Ramirez is convinced that all the fuss surrounding his injury and his contractual situation is part of a Red Sox campaign to portray him as the “bad guy.”

      I know basically everyone here but me hates the guy but come on, this would not be the first time (or the last) that a team has used the media to its advantage regarding their dealings with a player.

  • Count Zero

    I’ll believe it when I see it. They trade Manny and his 140 OPS+ and replace it with Ellsbury and his 79 OPS+ and their season is over.

    Theo Epstein never struck me as a stupid man…

    I’ll still bet even money that when it’s all said and done at the end of the season, the Red Sox will pick up that $20MM option. We’ve been down this road with Manny and the Sox twice before and he’s still there.

    • radnom

      I have to agree. I think he is done after this season, but it has looked worse than this before to be sure. Remember a few offseasons ago ortiz was quoting publicly as saying he would be “very surprised” if manny was with the team the next season, and somehow he still hangs around.

  • RustyJohn

    Come on thunderstorms! THis rain out would be a blessing in disguise- pick up a 1/2 game on the Rays and skip Sir Sidney in the rotation while the Yanks get out of town to play Baltimore tomorrow.

    • DP

      Amen.

    • LiveFromNewYork

      Or like someone siad, start the game, knock out the starters and let the bullpens duel it out. I’d take our bullpen for 7 innings against theirs.

      • giselle

        ha, i said that. i honestly wouldnt mind if the game was postponed, but i wanna watch a game tonight.

  • TheLastClown

    Do you think possibly its a ploy to drum up interest, having GMs spend time/effort in putting a package together in a futile effort while Theo can carry out his own designs with less distraction/competition?

    • radnom

      That is quite the conspiracy theory.

      Ridiculous, but I like the effort. You really think a GM is going to go out of his way to further alienate a key cog in his lineup just to try to tie up some of the other GM’s with busy work? lol or do you think Manny is in on it?

  • Kyle D.

    BTW, somebody needs to tell Robby Cano that the 2nd-Half All-Star game he loves to make a push at doesn’t exist. It’s beginning to confuse him.

  • http://www.overheardinnewyork.com NC Saint

    “The Yanks could do worse if they wanted to keep the spot warm until Austin Jackson is ready for prime time.”

    How, exactly? Nothing everyone else hasn’t said already: he doesn’t try. But he’s really in his own league as far as not trying goes. Who could possibly do a better job of undermining the Yankees emphasis on being clean-cut players who give it their all. With a lot of great young players coming up these days, can we really afford sending the message that no standards for behavior apply as long as you’re really, really good at baseball?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    I don’t appreciate all this crap about how Manny Ramirez doesn’t have heart or that he doesn’t care. This man is not a hitting savant, he works at his craft endlessly. You are not one of the best hitters in a generation of baseball by just waking up in the morning, arriving at the ballpark and swinging the bat like a caveman. Give the man his respect, you may not like his antics but the way he goes about his craft undeniably respectable.

    Does he have questionable off-field issues? You God Damn right. Does he “hot dog” it to the point of fan frustration? Yessir. Has this ever affected his production to his team? Hell fucking no.

    • TheLastClown

      Well, marginally. But mostly in the field. I don’t see why we wouldn’t want him as a DH, as he’s already designated himself to be prolific @ hitting.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        Thank you. People need the get over themselves. We are talking about a baseball team, not a fucking group of twenty-five ambassadors heading out to foreign nations to represent our country. So you don’t like him, you think he’s a dick, so what? What does that have to do with him smacking a 445-ft. HR in to Monument Park (for the Yanks this time)?

        • Newman

          Maybe some people just don’t want to root for him b/c they don’t like him and don’t like the way he goes about playing the game. I don’t see why that’s such a crime for fans to feel that way – especially a guy who is a member of our biggest rival and who has consistently showed us up for almost a decade now with his hotdogging antics. No one is debating how prolific of a hitter he is (I personally believe he is the best hitter of our generation), but that doesn’t mean we should want him in Pinstripes automatically. For me, I like rooting for players who I actually like, and not to be obligated to root for them just b/c they’re on the Yankees.

          • TheLastClown

            No, its fine that people feel that way. Its the normal, conditioned response to the religious-esque emotional investment that people make in sports teams, the Yankees especially.

            People will come around once they see one or ten of those homeruns. Hell, people didn’t like Johnny Damon cause of all his mountain man hair & self-professed “idiocy” on the goofy, cowboyed-up 04 Sox and we love him now right?

            Some people can see past the emotion of the moment into the future, and those people are usually doomed to frustration because the popular will won’t see it.

            Nothing good or bad here, just the way of the world. Hell, they killed Galileo.

            • Newman

              I actually don’t care for Damon (didn’t like the signing at all when it happened), but of course I root for him to do well b/c he’s a Yankee. I will always root for the uniform first, so I guess my point is kind of invalidated. I’m just saying I understand where people are coming from not wanting to sign Manny

              • TheLastClown

                Yeah, exactly. He’s repugnant to me too. Mostly because of his appearance, which would undoubtedly change if he became a Yank. But really, at the end of the day, I love to see the Yankees win, & Boston lose. I haven’t taken all the emotion out of my fan-dom, but I don’t let it interfere with my enjoyment of the game.

                Why don’t you care for Damon? He’s tons of fun, lots of charisma, and an all around good guy. Not to mention that he’s a pretty good leadoff hitter & fast, when he’s healthy.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

                  His ignorant remarks annoy me. I have a personal vendetta against anybody who thought that Joba Chamberlain should have stayed in the bullpen. Heh, but that’s just me.

                • Newman

                  I just didn’t like the idea of signing an aging OF with no arm to a 4 year deal, and I’m not gonna lie, it really irked me since he was such an integral member of the Red Sox, and there’s nothing I hate more than Boston.

                • Whitey14

                  Oh….hello Newman. (sorry, couldn’t resist)

                  I couldn’t agree more. I never rooted for David Wells when he came to Boston. I thought he was a fat load of shit for 15 years through Cincinnati, Toronto, Detroit and New York. I just couldn’t bring myself to root for him.

        • giselle

          sure he can hit, but there is such a thing as clubhouse chemistry. i just think he wouldn’t be a good fit with this group of guys. he only seems to care about himself. i dont know the guy at all, but thats the impression i always got from him.

          and yes, it does look like manny just rolled out of bed and started hitting. i don’t think its due so much to the fact that he works hard but more to his natural talent.

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

            Did you know that amongst the Latino players he is looked upon as a God? Alex Rodriguez and Manny are always seen hanging out with each other. You don’t think Robinson Cano and Melky Cabrera would be head over heels if Manny, one of the most respected people in our culture, came over and played?

            And no, it doesn’t matter how much natural talent you have, the man wors his ass off. You can’t be as successful and imposing as he has been for more than a decade by not continually working at his approach and making adjustments. Again, it’s not fair for some to not give him his due diligence just because he is not liked.

            • giselle

              i dunno… i just hate manny’s approach to the game. he behaves as if the world revolves around him and for that, i cant respect him. and i fully understand how latin america views manny as a god. being dominican will do that to you. pedro was idolized as well and i hated him too.

              there are more deserving players who put up similar numbers. vlad guerrero for example. dudes a beast and gets no recognition for it.

              • giselle

                lemme re-phrase that:

                dudes a beast and doesnt annoy the shit out of management/other players.

                • TheLastClown

                  OK….much better :)

              • TheLastClown

                What do you mean he gets no recognition for it? He’s one of the most feared hitters in the whole game, everyone knows it, he’s beloved in Anaheim and I like him a lot too. *I root for the Angels if they’re not playing the Yanks….loved that post ASG sweep*

                Everyone knows he’s a beast, everyone gives him recognition for it. People look at him like he’s some sort of mutant, getting hits on intentional walk pitches and digging 65 ft curveballs for hits.

                • giselle

                  ah, yea i didn’t really mean to write that. i was caught up on the “god-like status” thing jamal was talking about. i meant to say he’s an amazing player who’s not a headcase.

                  lol sorry!!

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

                I understand that you can’t stand the dude, and I also understand that I may be a bit more bias in my view of Manny because I am Latino. However, that does not change the fact that his addition to the 2008 Yankees will make them a better team. You can’t argue that no matter how much you want to, and LoL, I know you want to.

                Manny Ramirez does have self respect. You don’t think playing in front of his hometown crowd, playing in front of some of his Washington Heights compadres inspire him to clean up his act a little?

                • giselle

                  ha, yea i know i’m trying real hard to argue against it. i just can’t stand him…! he really is a lunatic, you know? one of my cousins (who lives in the dr) saw him at a park in the dominican during the offseason flying a kite with a kid.

                  that is, he was flying the kite the whole time while the kid watched. lol i just hate how incredibly weird he is! my cuz is a RS fan and he even admitted it was strange.

                • TheLastClown

                  He’s hilarious. Just heard Manny on ESPN saying

                  “Hey, Boston’s not stupid, they’re not goinna pull the trigger cause they know what they’ve got here, but hey, I’m tired of them, they’re tired of me, enough is enough. I dont want to talk to them about contracts or whatever right now, so what? After 2008, just send me a letter, they don’t even have to call my agent or whatever, hey, thank you for everything, but you’re gonna become a free agent, we’re not gonna pick up your option for 09″

                  There’s your deal, there’s the decision.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

                  It’s amazing how that whole country is an international Red Sox Nation. Then again, when the Red Sox employ players like Pedro Martinez, David Ortiz, and future HOF Manny Ramirez, you certainly understand why. It pisses me off because most of my friends are Dominican so I have to deal with it endlessly.

                  Giselle, with your cousin being in DR, does he tell you how Latino Red Sox fans feel about Curt Schilling? Most of my friends swear him to be a racist douche.

                • giselle

                  argh this is why i absolutely despise him! “they’re not gonna pull the trigger cause they know what they’ve got here”. you’d think no one else could handle a bat for the RS the way he’s speaking.

                  i saw it too. but how great was it to see steve phillips say good things about the yankees. i could see the pain in his face as he spoke.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

                  Lmao, totally. His Wiki page notes how he has been wrong every single year he has predicted the Yanks to fall short of October play.

                • giselle

                  hmm, you know we dont really talk about him anymore since he’s been gone…

                  lol i just asked my dad, “what do you think about schilling? good/bad pitcher? past his prime? guy who talks to much? borderline racist?”

                  he said he doesnt think he’s a racist, just a republican. (note: dominicans dont really like republicans).

                  funny thing is, the dominican used to be all about the yankees. no joke. for any kid who grew up playing baseball (which is all of them) the dream was to play in the bigs for the yanks. now that the red sox can play, some fans have shifted to their side. but if you go down there you’ll see a lot of NY hats and tshirts.

                • giselle

                  the yankee/red sox rivalry kinda fizzles in the dom. rep. because of 2 baseball teams down there who have their own rivalry.

                  my uncle was talking to me about it recently. i think he put it well, and i paraphrase:

                  “red sox/yankees is not a rivalry. 26-7 is not even close to a rivalry. try the dominican league, where las aguilas cibaenas and los tigres de licey ALWAYS face each other for the championship. And each year one or the other wins it all.”

                  “It’s a must-see for every baseball fan,” said Nationals manager Manny Acta, a former manager of Licey. “You can’t see a game in the Dominican Republic and not see Licey-Aguilas. It’s what it is all about.”

                  The actual rivalry could be about championships and respect. Licey, the winningest franchise in the Dominican Republic, is also the oldest. The club was established in 1907. The Aguilas were established in 1936.

                  The two clubs have combined to win 13 of the last 14 Winter League titles with the Aguilas winning eight of the last 12 titles starting in 1995. Licey, the champions of the 2005-2006 season, is a 19-time champion.

                  “Has this helped my career? Are you kidding? Of course, it has,” said Yankees outfielder Melky Cabrera, who plays for Aguilas. “You play in this game, you can play anywhere.”

                  http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

                  Oh, with the volume of my DR friends that are Red Sox fans I thought the majority of the country were fans of Boston. It’s amazing, you go down to Panama and every kid you see pitch does that little set move that Mariano has. I mean EVERYONE.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

                  That WBC was such a disappoint for us, if we had Mariano Rivera we could hav easily advanced to the next round. Heh, I still have my Carlos Lee jersey from the Panamanian WBC squad.

                • giselle

                  HAHAHAH i can almost see the little kids doing the move mo does. thats priceless.

                  well, to further drive home yankee dominance among dominicans, my parents telling me stories they remember about mel stottlemeyer, billy martin, and casey stengel (as yankees).

                  meanwhile my mom asked me the other day who jim rice and carl yastrzemski were.

            • TheLastClown

              What’s your heritage Jamal?

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

                Latino, family origins are Panamanian (Go Mariano!) but I was born in Brooklyn.

    • http://www.overheardinnewyork.com NC Saint

      Fair enough, he does try – when he’s at the plate. But I don’t see any reason to believe he tries at any other facet of the game. And while it might not make a huge difference, it’s nonsense to say that this has never “affected his production to his team”. When he stands at home plate admiring a home run that isn’t to be and ends up at first, that hurts his team. When he decides to sulk on the bench while the rest of the team plays a game against a division rival, that hurts the team. When he slouches around the field making improbable errors, that hurts the team.

      You’re absolutely right that the Yankees would be better in the short term with Manny. But the point of having a policy that players aren’t allowed to be jackasses who hurt the team isn’t that it helps you out in every individual case. The point is that the long term benefit of forcing players to give it their all is more beneficial overall than scrapping it for any particular exception.

      Now maybe that isn’t true, but that is the theory. So the fact that the Yankees would be better with Manny, bad attitude and all, doesn’t really speak to the reasons we shouldn’t want him there.

  • inyk

    Manny just go Boras as his agent. What’s the point of that unless he’s a FA? He’s trying to force Boston not to pick up his options.

  • Haldar

    Manny’s triple slash line at Yankee Stadium is .321/.405/.605
    Yankee pitching has been pretty good over his career, making this line all the more impressive.

  • Henry Chinaski

    The Mexican Gangsta doing his thing again tonight…
    “We don’t need no stinking washburn!!!”

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      Out pitching Francisco Liriano thus far, cool.

  • DP

    One thing I would say is that the Yankees would also consider the PR boost they would get among the local Hispanic community. Manny is from Washington Heights after all, and was a HS legend. Maybe his increased comfort level would lead to less problems.

  • http://RiverAve.Blues Joseph M

    Manny is a fulltime DH in waiting, the Yanks have enough of rhose types.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      But not one of them has his talent. Is Manny declining? Obviously, but on his way down he is still a better hitter than anybody on this team outside of Alex Rodriguez and Robinson Cano in his prime.

  • Rich M.

    I am not sure the plumbing could take it in the new stadium.

    http://www.portfolio.com/views.....nd-Red-Sox

  • TheLastClown

    Man O Man….CC’s thrown 3 straight Complete Games. Awesome.

    Can’t wait for the ’09 rotation.

    • http://knickerbockerchatter.blogspot.com Bruno

      CC’ll be a Dodger.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    I loved what Manny said on the radio, “They not stupid, they know what they got here. They not gonna trade me.”

    • TheLastClown

      Damn, I’m being redundant :)

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        No, glad that you posted it. That was hilarious.

        • TheLastClown

          Gotta love DVR…can rewind & get all the points :)

  • TheLastClown

    I didn’t mean to post this above….I’ll do it again here.

    He’s hilarious. Just heard Manny on ESPN saying

    “Hey, Boston’s not stupid, they’re not goinna pull the trigger cause they know what they’ve got here, but hey, I’m tired of them, they’re tired of me, enough is enough. I dont want to talk to them about contracts or whatever right now, so what? After 2008, just send me a letter, they don’t even have to call my agent or whatever, hey, thank you for everything, but you’re gonna become a free agent, we’re not gonna pick up your option for 09?

    There’s your deal, there’s the decision.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      Yeah, I was smiling like a child when I heard it. He’s right though, I’m sure all this shit isn’t one-sided like most people believe. Honestly, how fucked up is it that you sign a near decade long contract with the team and after just a couple years into the deal they are placing you on waivers. You telling me they couldn’t deal with whatever issues there were in-house? Obviously they could have because he’s been in a Boston uniform ever since 2003, so it wasn’t that big of a deal, whatever it was.

      • TheLastClown

        Nothings ever as one sided as people believe. I’ve always been staunchly anti-Manny, mostly cause of his appearance and of course being the #1 weapon of the BoSox….but I’ve always given him tons of props with dealing with all that shit, that is really fucked up…getting placed on waivers & being that good, and not letting it bother you & still going out there & performing. That’s where his “arrogance” comes from, he knows how good he is and he doesn’t let anything get in the way of being the best he can possibly be, as a hitter.

        I mean, look at Nomar, when he was getting bandied around in trade talks with Boston, he sulked like a reprimanded child and didn’t play well. Remember the game when Jeter dove into the stands & broke his face? The ONLY player on BOTH teams that didn’t play that 15 inning game was Nomar. That to me is the true example of the things that people attribute to Manny, the not caring, etc etc……

        Pedro, when he was a Sox, was the same way as Manny, super confident, a bit of a jerk, and so so so so much fun to hate :)

        God bless baseball

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

          That’s all I want man, it’s cool to acknowledge your discontent for the dude, but don’t let that stand in the way of giving him his credit.

          • TheLastClown

            Always.

            Fun discoursing with you, gotta go to work now…..hope the game gets in tonight, despite Sir Sid. I’ll be recording anyway.

            Peace

        • TheLastClown

          Although I’ll always hate Pedro for bouncing Don Zimmer…..thats just inexcusable.

          Just expounding myself