Did Girardi Torre Marte?

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Can we start using “to Joe Torre” a pitcher as a verb? Damaso Marte says he’s no longer hurting after a 42-pitch outing on Aug. 4 left him with a sore elbow. Marte, a disappointment so far in his short Yankee career but showing some signs of life lately, was overworked the night the Yanks lost Joba Chamberlain and hasn’t been effective since then. I hope Joe Girardi takes this as a lesson Joe Torre never learned about the arms of relievers. These pitchers can only handle so much stress before they break down.

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  • jsbrendog

    joe torre “joe torre’d” joe beimel last night. the guy threw 30 pitches saturday and then pitched 2+ innings of relief yesterday before giving up pedro felizs walkoff hr….oh joe joe joe

  • Adam

    Joe Torre
    Part of Speech: verb
    Etymology: Early 21st Century English, from the Italian “Joe Torre”
    Definition: To beat like a rented mule
    Use: Poor Scott Proctor was never the same after 2 years of getting Joe Torried.

    See also: Quantrilling, Sturtzing, Proctoring

    • A.D.

      pure gold

      • JohnnyC

        He may have done his best work with Tom Gordon, who he would routinely warm up multiple times a night. One thing Girardi has done well this season is to monitor the “ups” for the bullpen because the repeated warming-up during a game is just as bad as over-extending pitch counts in actual appearances.

        • A.D.

          He loved getting Gordon up to throw for no reason, could be up by 4 in a meaningless game in August against a bad team, bam get Gordon going, why not, its not like having him constantly warm up can have lasting effects.

          But I think the fact Gordon went into game 3 of the 2004 ALCS just shows the redic things Torre would do with relievers

    • Count Zero

      Nicely done. This is even better than when I first heard that very descriptive adjective, Womackian — as in: “Melky sporting the Womackian .338 slugging percentage.”

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        I agree. Joe Torre’s handling of the bullpen and Tony Womack’s performance at the plate are both Varitekian.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    Is it possible that, like many middle relievers before him, that Marte just simply hasn’t been as effective after a mid or late-season trade to a new team?

    • whozat

      I’d say that the over-use on that day, coupled with the fact that he’s had elbow pain since then (which is what led them to avoid using him for the last week and and a half) indicates that there’s something to this theory.

  • JohnnyC

    Yeah, Girardi made a boo-boo. But the extenuating circumstances are that Cashman may have suggested that Marte could be stretched out and put into the 8th inning hopper as opposed to being just a LOOGY. There’s a lesson to be learned here. Add this to a list of puzzling things Girardi has done this season. However, he still has my benefit of the doubt. The other guy used to do this stuff over and over (and still does as dog points out).

    • whozat

      “Marte could be stretched out and put into the 8th inning hopper as opposed to being just a LOOGY.”

      He’s NOT a LOOGY. Look at his game log with the Pirates.

      That wasn’t Cashman’s suggestion. That’s how he’s been used for ages: a lefty setup guy.

    • A.D.

      he was actually the closer for the Pirates when they traded for him, so he’s more than a LOOGY, however given his high innings total in Pitt pre-trade, making him a LOOGY for a bit might not be the worst to limit innings, but the real beauty in Marte is that hes a damn good left handed reliever

  • A.D.

    Well why many of us cried out at the 41 pitch inning, probably didn’t help, but part of it was the state they got Marte in, he already had a hefty workload with the Pirates when he was traded to the Yanks, and somewhat destined for a dead period.

    Hopefully he’s healthy, and will do his thing from here on out

  • A.D.

    You hear about relievers or people that say how “X given reliever could pitch everyday” because that’s his makeup or his stuff.

    Joe Torre took these people literally.

  • jsbrendog

    that breaking ball had some serious bite against the orioles, so whatever you have to do to keep him pitching like that do it….we will not discuss what happened in the 8th when he had to be replaced by rivera. pretend that didnt happen

  • Chip

    I remember that game though, it was close and Girardi didn’t have anybody left out there. I think Robertson was warming up at the time and after him it was going to be a starter

    • steve

      yup it was against the angels, he worked himself in trouble, it was either leave him out there or bring in the rookie robertson with bases loaded.

      oh well. hopefully he’s healthy

      • http://2009 Haggs

        It was against Texas in Texas, and it was 10,000 degrees, which probably was a contributing factor to the arm troubles that both Joba and Marte came out of that game with.

        • parms

          u cant say pitching when its hot out actually contributed to joba’s tendonitis. as a man who has had chronic rotator cuff tendonitis for 4 years, i can promise you the heat has absolutely nothing to do with it, and it is not something that just suddenly happens one day

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Well, here’s something no one but me seems to have noticed: Marte has already thrown more innings this year than he did in 2005 and 2007, and he’s only 2.1 IP back of his 2006 total. The guy hasn’t been worked this hard since 2004, of course he was going to hit a wall at some point.

  • Rich

    Or maybe he Girardi-ed him. Ask Josh Johnson.

    • parms

      girardi was acquitted of these charges. johnson threw 157 innings in 2006 and 139.2 in 2005 in AA combined with 12.1 innings in 2005 in the majors when he came up in the september callups. in 2006, girardi started johnson in the bullpen to keep his innings down (sound familiar). you cannot blame the man for throwing him 5 innings more than he pitched in the previous year. if this isnt an acceptable jump in innings between years, what is?

  • Joey H

    yes, it was a classic case of having a new toy and constantly playing with it. there were plenty of situations where he came that he shouldnt of, but girardi wanted to put his new luxury to work. just keep in mind, since farnsy is gone, the bombers pen hasnt been the same. but when its all said and done what it comes down to is this teams hitting. let them hit hit hit their asses off and hit their way into the playoffs. we have a series where the pitching is in our favor where we are every capeable of winning 2/3 and potientally sweeping depending on how lester responds to that horrid start against the jays. again, i think we have doc and A.J. in the TOR series. so ut oh.

  • Joey H

    another note. lets hope girardi can “joe torre” this team and get us into the fucking playoffs :)

  • steve (different one)

    can we please remember the FACTS of that game?

    Mariano was unavailable.
    Veras was unavailable.
    Rasner pitched the day before, was bombed, and so Giese pitched 3 IP. they were both unavailable.

    the entire bullpen was Bruney, Edwar, Marte, and Robertson.

    Joba got hurt in the 5th inning. worst case scenario.

    Girardi stretched Edwar for 1 1/3 and Bruney for 1 1/3.

    the game was TIED in the bottom on the 9th, so extra innings were looming and there was ONE reliever left, Robertson. worst case scenario.

    did Girardi probably leave in Marte 1-2 batters too long? yes. he probably did.

    but that is NOTHING, NOTHING at all like the systematic overworking of Vizcaino, Proctor, Gordon, Quantrill and Sturtze over the course of several seasons.

    it was an emergency situation that Girardi tried to make the best out of.

    don’t forget: CONTEXT is important.

    the 2 situations aren’t even remotely related.

    • jsbrendog

      great point. i had forgotten this. thinking back on it i remember sitting there going dear god just end the game one way or the other cause at this point a loss is better than having to send frickin pettitte or a starter out there for the 11-15 innings lol