Sep
02

Game 138: Building a team around pitching

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It’s simply not something we Yankees fans are used to. The Tampa Bay Rays, since the return of Scott Kazmir on May 4, have used the same five guys to start every single game. James Shields, Andy Sonnanstine, Edwin Jackson, Matt Garza, and Kazmir. They’ve only used seven starters all season. The Yankees have used 11 starters, 12 if you count the game Bruney started because of the potential rain delay.

Fun facts about the Rays starters. They’re all 26 or younger, the eldest statesman being James Shields. Save for Sonnanstine, they all have ERAs under 4.00. Each one of them is under team control through at least 2011, when Jackson becomes eligible for free agency. Kazmir has a 2012 team option, and Shields has one for ’12 and ’13. Sonnanstine and Garza didn’t even have a full year of service time heading into this year, though they could be Super Twos this winter — Garza almost certainly will be.

This, I think, is what the Yanks have been angling for. The difference, of course, is the sacrifice. The Rays have been terrible since entering the league. Prior to this season, their record for wins in a season was 70. That means lots of high draft picks, which they’ve used wisely. They didn’t have to take the signability or injury guy later in the first round. They were guaranteed premium talent. The Yankees are trying to do this without sacrificing the present. You have to admire that, though who knows if it will work.

So you can envy where the Rays are now. Kind of like you could envy where the Yankees were in 1995/1996. The difference is that the Rays lived with a decade of being the worst team in baseball. The Yankees had a few bad years in the 80s and early 90s, but only finished below .500 five times from 1982, the year after they had appeared in the World Series, through 1992, the last year to date they’ve finished below .500.

Your lineup:

1. Johnny Damon, CF
2. Derek Jeter, SS
3. Bobby Abreu, RF
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B (why does my spell checker continue to put a red line under “Rodriguez”?)
5. Jason Giambi, 1B
6. Xavier Nady, LF
7. HIdeki Matsui, DH
8. Robinson Cano, 2B
9. Jose Molina, C

And on the mound, going for his seventeenth victory, number thirty-five, Mike Mussina.

Notes: Caught this on the Star Ledger Yanks blog: The City of New York could lose out on $141 million if the Yanks fail to make the playoffs. C’mon, Bloomberg. Light a fire under this team’s ass.

Categories : Game Threads
  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    …and a big part of the problem here, of course, is that the fanbase can barely handle being a few games over .500 and in third place.

    it took Tampa a lot of trial and error, with an awful lot of pitchers, to get there. this fanbase would never have that sort of pressure…

    ….of course, Tampa’s wouldn’t either, since they’ve been playing to empty stadiums most of the time.

    • Steve

      Its really sad. Some fans will have us turned into the present day NY Knicks or the 1980’s Yanks with their win-immediately attitude. Kennedy and Hughes have been DECLARED a failure by the likes of Kay, Joel Sherman and others. The youth movement is a failure, never mind that the ENTIRE bullpen has been rebuilt via the farm system, with more on the way.

      Its as if any pitcher who doesn’t succeed IMMEDIATELY “can’t pitch in NY”. We all know there’s a long list of good to great pitchers who didn’t succeed right away, its actually the exception to the rule that comes in and dominates like Joba did.

      And most free agents have their best years behind them and most trades you’re dealing with someone who knows their players better than you do. I’m not against making deals or signing FA’s, but they have to be relatively safe moves. I think Cash has a good track record in that area, actually, better than his FA signings.

  • Jorge Steinbrenner

    …i meant “this fanbase would never have that sort of patience…”

    sorry.

  • D.B.

    yeah the rays have been lucky with injuries, i wish wang only missed a month and hughes, kennedy, and chamberlain never got hurt.

    • Ivan

      that’s somehwat unfair. Yes it was huge for them not to have any major injuries to the rotation but they have had injuries to Crawford and Longoria.

      Next season I don’t think they will be as good but they have a pretty team for years to come.

  • Manimal

    If you use Firefox right click and add the word to the dictionary. No more red lines.

  • BigBlueAL

    Im sorry, but I aint willing to put up with 5 years in a row of the worse record in baseball just to get 5 #1 or #2 overall picks in the draft in a row to try to become like the Rays. I would much rather have the money and payroll of the Yankees because even with all the obsession of prospects and draft picks that this website has the best and easiest way to put together a championship team is thru a combination of both obviously but much more via spending money via FA and trading for players from teams who cant afford them anymore….

    • Steve

      I don’t think we have to go that far, but we could live with some growing pains out of the #5 spot in the rotation and the back half of the bullpen.
      Remember Edwar and Veras were AWFUL last year, and they are now two of our main guys out of the pen. You have to live with an adjustment period if you want some payoff down the line.

      Remember, we tried to patch up the dynasty teams with free agents for years and we got progressively older and worse. We have to show some patience in order to put together another run, its the only way.

  • Manimal

    UPDATE, 6:25 p.m.: Joe Girardi was asked about Sidney Ponson staying in the rotation. Here was his response:

    “Right now our rotation is what it is. We haven’t talked about any changes.

    “He’s done it before. Obviously he didn’t have the sink yesterday that he’s necessarily has had. We need to get that back. You go to work in the bullpen and see if you can straighten things out.”

    What about using Aceves or Hughes?

    “We’re talking about sending a rookie possibly out there who doesn’t have a lot of starts in the big leagues. It’s not like we have Cy Young, Steve Carlton, you know, waiting in the wings. If we did make a change, you’re talking about youth.

    Per Pete Abe. What bullshit. If I was manager, Aceves and Hughes would be in the rotation and Ponson would be in Minnesota or maybe even LA with the Dodgers.

    • Ivan

      Per Joe Girardi: Hey Pete, can you get off my dick Thank You.

    • Steve

      Very disappointing to hear. I thought Girardi was brought in to actively coach and manage these guys into becoming big league players, but apparently he doesn’t want to be bothered with rookies any more than Torre did.

      That’s a very unfortunate thing to hear, and really makes me think twice about who we hired. If we wanted an entitled, lazy manager who doesn’t want to teach a few kids the game, we could have kept Torre.

    • Chris

      Isn’t this almost word-for-word what Girardi said the day before IPK was sent to Scranton? When Girarid says “he’s in our rotation for now” it means there is a snowballs chance in hell that he’ll make the next start…

  • Adrian-Retire21

    Yankees have too much money to start as a rebulding team.The Rays took over 15 years to play over .500 theres no excuse to be a losing ball club that long.

    The pitching is good but how will they do in the sophmore year and playoffs.Remember the 2006 Tigers….there pitchers looked like deer in headlights in the World Series and look at Bonderman,Verlander,Zumaya and Ledezma after 2 years.

    The Rays are good and young but they I don’t believe they will be a dynasty we just what they got even with there horrible bullpen.

    The idea you need 4 farm hands in the rotation and getting any kind of free agent is bad is stupid.The Rays will be the next Marlins.Win one world series then be horrible for another 5 years.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      Wow, this has to be one of the most ill-informed posts in RAB history. Fist, the Rays came into being in 1998, so they haven’t even been around for 15 years. Strike 1.

      Sophomore year? Name me one rookie Rays starter. None? Oh, right. Okay. Thanks.

      Horrible bullpen? Go look at their guys. Grant Balfour is absolutely dominating. Something like 64 Ks in 43 innings. Dan Wheeler has historically been good, and is having a good season.

      And finally, the Marlins were bad after their championships, because once they won they sold everyone. It doesn’t look like the Rays will be doing the same.

      • E-ROC

        Get’em Joe!

        • Joe

          Done and Done!

  • AndrewYF

    I guarantee you that two of Edwin Jackson, Andy Sonnanstine, and Matt Garza will be terrible next year.

    Fortunately for the Rays, they have David Price on the horizon to offset that.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      I have faith in Garza. He’s always been projected as a solid No. 2 guy, and he’s been showing it.

    • Hitman

      Or….they could be even better since they haven’t even reached their prime yet. Heck they could even trade one of those guys for even more talent and bring up Price.

  • cupz

    I think what a lot of Yankees fans (although not so much here) forget about is that they have a nice pitcher in Price waiting in the wings…They’re only going up from here, boys.

    Luckily, the Yanks have the scratch to compete…

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      They also have Wade Davis.

  • Ed

    The City of New York could lose out on $141 million if the Yanks fail to make the playoffs.

    What about all those studies that say attracting a team and building a stadium provides no benefit to a city? And all the talk about the Yankees robbing money from the city by getting some financial assistance in building the stadium? This is a huge slap against that logic.

  • Pedro

    I wonder if Garza will have to throw more than 10 offspeed pitches tonight

  • Ivan

    Hey who would you guys resign first Moose or Pettitte?

    • cult of basebaal

      godddamn but watching moose pitch might just be the best thing about this whole lousy year!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Joe, spell checkers only recognize words in its default language (in your case, English).

  • Jake H

    Garza really is a 2 pitch pitcher.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      Not really. He has the Four-Seam Fastball, the Sinking Fastball, the Slider, and a hammer. I’m not sure about the hammer, but I know the Slider is a true out-pitch for him.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    God Damn, Mike Mussina is an absolute joy to watch.

    • Joe

      I don’t see any reason to not bring him back next year. It’s the best of both worlds for the Yankees, you pretty much know what to expect and he will take a short contract.

      • Steve

        “he will take a short contract.”

        Really? I don’t know that.

        Actually, he will be one of only 2 AL free agents who are Type A’s (Lackey has an 9 mil option and Andy doesn’t count). That means he’s among the best of his class and will CERTAINLY command multi year offers. Philly would give him 3 years tomorrow, and he would be closer to his PA home.

        http://tigers-thoughts.blogspo.....kings.html

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Asshole.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

    Are you kidding me? What a catch!

  • Pedro

    The day we can play D like that we’ll be a good team.

  • cult of basebaal

    crap, dammit, that was awesome!

    • cult of basebaal

      goddamn arod, what a choking dog.

  • Joe

    Wow

  • Ivan

    Terrific play by BossMan Jr.

  • Alberto

    hey Joe,

    Glad to see some mention about pitching. Seems all NY fans care about is runs and big long homeruns this decade. Lack of starting pitching is 95% the reason this organization has had such a drought of good baseball in this decade. The team era continues to be in,at,or around 4.50 and that is extremely unacceptable (especially during playoff time). I am tired of saying it but the only good pitcher NYY has had this decade has been Wang. We have not sent a pitcher to the all star since 2003, Javier Vazquez, and he finished that year horribly.

    This, my friends, is NOT the way to build a good team. Teams built around offense never win anything, proven fact. This team in this decade has deceived everyone into thinking the pitching is fine with some #3 starters and trillions of emergency spot starters.

    The runs scored has finally come back down to earth a little bit and now it isn’t enough to carry horrible pitching the Yankees have made a tradition of, in this decade.

    • BigBlueAL

      Just look at the Yankees rotation from 1998-2003. Oh, and Pettitte was the only homegrown starter in the group.

      • Steve

        That was a different world back then, Baseball doesn’t operate like that anymore.

        But in any case, that was during a time in Baseball when teams would dump off high priced top talent still in their prime because they couldn’t afford them. That doesn’t happen as much anymore with revenue sharing and the national TV/Satellite radio deals. Most teams are in much better shape financially, and only look to deal off players when they think they’re selling high on a player that doesn’t have much left. Top players now get locked up into their free agent years with contract extensions that take them well into their prime years. CLE has been doing that for years, now everybody does it, even the Yanks did it with Cano. In this environment, the upcoming free agent markets will be getting progressively thinner year by year.

        BTW-El Duque was sort of homegrown. Intl’ FA who spent half a year in our farm system. But overall you’re right about us not developing pitchers back then.

    • Greg C

      Your decade must be very short. I think in 2001 we had the 2 best pitchers in the AL and the 3rd guy wasn’t shabby.

      All SEVEN of the guys who made starts in 2002 were above average. With Moose, Clemens,Andy, Wells, Lilly/el Duque/Weaver- not bad.

      2003- Four 15 game winners, the # 4 starter was 15-7, 4.14..
      2004- sucked
      2005- Johnson had a good year by any objective measure, Moose had a down year and Brown and everyone else sucked.
      2006- moose and Wang both had very good years, with Moose better than Wang in every stat except accumulating wins. Johnson sucked but got run support-inflating his win total also.
      2007- Wang was great, Andy was above average

      5 of Mussina’s 8 seasons have been pretty good. Actually, Mussina’s 4th best season this decade is better than Wang’s best season.

      Wang has had 1 season where he was the best pitcher on the team. yeah he was the only good pitcher this decade.

  • Ivan

    Where the hell is Mike?

  • Josh K

    Even though they are playing in Tampa, I am waiting for Michael K to mention the “boo birds”….

  • Jake H

    I got to laugh.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Nice job, fatty.

  • Jake H

    Big K there.

  • Joey

    watching on Gameday (because for some reason the game is blacked out on MLB.tv in Orlando… ugh) and that called 3rd strike looked a little sketchy. How did it look?

    • cult of basebaal

      a nice damn pitch

  • Ivan

    Good job Moose.

  • Mike Pop

    Cant beleive Joba starting in the pen in 09 too

    • BigBlueAL

      Already saw on ESPN tonight they were debating again if Joba should be in the pen or rotation. Here we go again….

  • Joe

    I know it’s childish, but check this out http://joesportsfan.com/ Watch the first video. Too much, too much

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Guys, if you are ever bored at work or at school (like I found myself today, first week back is always lame), just read through the comments at LoHud. The sheer idiocy of those people will leave you entertained for hours at a time.

    For example (After PeteAbe mentioned how Jose Tabata is doing in the rich sample size of 22-games):

    The Tabata trade 5 years from now will be the Kazmir trade.
    People laughing about it for years to come.
    Tabata IS the next Manny.

    Classic.

    • Mike Pop

      Does Pete Abe even like the Yankees

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        I’ve heard on numerous occasions that he’s a Red Sox fan. Makes perfect sense, he does gloat about being a Patriots fan all the time (which makes it highly, highly ironic that he gets on Joe Girardi so much for keeping things so close to the vest, when, you know, he roots for a team that is coached by Bill Bellichick).

      • Joe

        It’s not really his fault his posters are morons. A majority of the people on the internet are morons. It just so happens that very few intelligent people spend time over there.

        • Steve

          Actually it is. The knee jerk, in-game comments he makes on his blog draw people who are attracted to that kind of crap, so he reaps what he sows. The audience he draws reflects on him.

    • Ivan

      your 19 right? You go to college right?

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        Yessir. John Jay now, hopefully USC next year.

        • Joe

          L.A. sucks, how are you going to go from New York to L.A.? As a matter of fact all of Southern California sucks

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

            Acting. I have opportunities that have slowly started to present themselves here, but sooner or later, I will have to make the journey to L.A. if I’m serious about acting for my career. Which I am.

            • Joe

              Well then you got a good reason, close to ten of my friends attempted to move out west after finsihg up college all from Boston or New York, everyone who moved to L.A. or San Diego hated it and left a after six months. I ended up in San Francisco which is been one of the best decisions I ever made.

              • Ivan

                Why you hate LA?

                • Joe

                  The plastictiy of the people, the traffic, the consumer mentality, smog.

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

                Yeah, I was planning to move in with a friend of mine as we were supposed to attend the San Francisco Institute of Arts & Design. It would’ve been cool, she was going to go for her dancing and me for my acting. Unfortunately it didn’t work out so we are still here in Brooklyn.

                • BigBlueAL

                  Sorry have to be a dick and ask, wanted to move in with a “friend” huh. You sly dog…..

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                Heh, I made the move out west. Got one degree at Penn State, moved out to Northern Cali to get the second degree, then went down to San Diego for 2 years or so. I’m back in NY now.

                The people in Cali are very phony, very superficial. I didn’t make many quality friends out there, guys I’d take a bullet for, shit like that. All my true homeys were back here.

                There’s no place like home man, NY is truly one of a kind.

                • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

                  Yeah, I’ve heard about the phony thing. I know it’s a family blog and all, but are a lot of the women phony, if you know what I mean?

                • Ivan

                  you from Brooklyn?

                • Joe

                  I’ve been living here for 5 years and have two to threee good friends. The mentality in san francisco is refreshing though. You can get away with just about anything in public and not get harrassed as long as your not infringing upon anyone elses rights

            • BigBlueAL

              Just curious, why USC and not UCLA??

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

                Connections.

            • Ivan

              You wanna be a actor? wow that’s very interesting and good luck. Why you wanna be an Actor? Always been a dream of yours.

              • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

                Yeah, always been a dream. Same ol’ story really, did a school play, really liked it, kept on with it.

                • Ivan

                  awwwwwwwwwww.

        • Ivan

          oh ok. Hope you ain’t fuckin up cuz a mind is a terrible thing to watse.

  • Mike Pop

    If hes in the pen say hello to CC =]

    • BigBlueAL

      The debate will never end regarding Joba, like you said even moreso this off-season if they do sign CC and re-sign Pettitte and Moose so they would say no need to have Joba start and he would be better off in the pen to help out the Yankees more.

      • Ivan

        It shouldn’t be debate cuz really when Joba was out of the BP it didn’t kill the yanks, when he was out of the rotation due to injury that killed them.

  • Mike Pop

    Ya know what sucks bout this season. I blame it all on Jonathan Albadadejo

    • cult of basebaal

      that’s alright, i blame everything on nick johnson … if only he wasn’t made of glass …

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I blame Morgan Ensberg.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        I blame Paul O’Neill.

  • Mike Pop

    I guess if joba goes to the pen we have to get Burnett

    • Steve H

      Well that answers the question, Joba HAS to be in the rotation, to avoid throwing $$ away on AJ

  • Mike Pop

    Say if we lost out on CC and the other guys. Would you guys like a deal for Mike Jacobs and Scott Olsen ?

    • BigBlueAL

      NO!!!! I live in Miami. Olsen is a problem-child who hasnt pitched that well this season at all, and Mike Jacobs while does have some power his OBP this season in below .300 and he makes Giambi look like a Gold Glover at 1st base.

      • Joe

        I don’t think what you would have to give up to get it would be worth it

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      I’ve always been a Scott Olsen fan, head case or no. Mike Jacobs gets a pass from me.

  • Ivan

    Buster Onley made some interesting points in his chats. He said obviously the yanks need to get younger and try to avoid long expensive contracts and he said that if he was running the yanks he would sign Ben Sheets instead of CC or Tex cuz Sheets is cheaper in years and money and he can be just as big of help like CC and Tex.

    • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      completely, utterly agree.

    • Frank

      He won’t be much of a help when he’s on the DL.

  • Mike Pop

    Ivan we should get all 3 lol

  • Frank

    Which Rays youngster will be the first to become a FA… barring any extensions? Upton?

  • Mike Pop

    Olsne/Jacobs would be good cuz we get younger and have reduced payrolls but i dont think we can rely on them

    • Ivan

      Jacobs isn’t that good even though Olsen has potential.

      • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

        but Olsen’s Ks are way, way down.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Hermida’s the guy they should go after from the Marlins, he’s the one with sustainable talent and obvious progression ahead of him. Olsen’s nice, but he’s got an attitude problem. Jacobs is just a slugging meathead.

      • Mike Pop

        If im Hank im overpaying for Tex. Idc he would help our lineup out and help protect Arod. Take him and one of the SPs and we back in the playoffs

        • Ivan

          you pay that type of money to superstar players. Texiera is not a superstar.

          • Joe

            Or he won’t be long enough to make it worth while

      • BigBlueAL

        Agree totally, if Hermida can stay healthy for an entire season he is due to have a breakout season.

      • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

        besides, you’d be buying low.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        Any interest in Josh Willingham? He produces like Hermida does, but since he’s five years older (29), he’d probably be much cheaper. We all know the Marlins are loath to deal away cost-controlled youngsters…

  • Ivan

    Just like that the yanks are down 1-0.

    • Joe

      Mussina will hold them

  • cult of basebaal

    bugger.

  • Jake H

    Is it bad that I don’t have any faith in the O to score even 1 run? I know I should with what they did yesterday but the whole season the O just hasn’t been there.

    • BigBlueAL

      What they did yesterday has absolutely no affect on what they will do this series vs Tampa’s pitching.

  • Ivan

    Jeter legging one out.

  • Frank

    I’m moving to Tampa. Cute little blondes, good baseball town, Yankees minor leagues… just gotta pray the hurricanes move up the coast.

    • Joe

      Good baseball town? They still aren’t coming and they have the most fun team in baseball to watch and tehy still arent coming. I was there on a friday night once and there were no more than 3000 people.

      • Chris

        Would you go to the Trop to watch a game? I don’t think you could drag me there even if the ’27 Yankees were playing….

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      There’s cute little blondes everywhere, that’s not a good reason to move… Tampa is a heartless, soullless, milquetoast town of nothingness that drives you to American Beauty-ish ennui.

  • Mike Pop

    Any Rotation in baseball for your franchise ? Not countin prospects in A,AA,AAA ball . Who would you take ? Im going with the twins. God they are good

  • Pedro

    Can’t say the captain doesn’t hustle.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Jonathon (yes, the loser spells it H-O-N) Niese gives up a homer and consecutive walks to his first three batters in the Major Leagues. Fail.

  • Frank

    Need to get to Garza here, hit balls hard off him all night, he’s been living on the edge so far

  • BigBlueAL

    I HATE sending the runner on a 3-1 count.

  • Ivan

    Wow I thoguht Abreu hit it out.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    B.J. Upton better not wander near A-Rod and Bobby Abreu after the game.

  • Frank

    Kay just gave Alex the ole’ jinx

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Holy crap, someone mentioned Jon Albaldejo earlier. Guess who made a rehab start for Staten Island tonight?

    • Steve

      I thought SI’s season was over.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Everyone but SI is done. Their season ends Saturday.

    • cult of basebaal

      nick johnson???

  • Steve

    Hey Mike, another Elias update from DTT. This time the pitchers

    http://tigers-thoughts.blogspo.....kings.html

    Roy Halladay A 95.6928839
    John Lackey A 94.85018727
    Scott Kazmir A 90.917603
    Felix Hernandez A 88.67041199
    A.J. Burnett A 87.64044944
    Daisuke Matsuzaka A 87.07865169
    Fausto Carmona A 84.73782772
    Josh Beckett A 84.64419476
    James Shields A 84.45692884
    Erik Bedard A 83.70786517
    Andy Pettitte A 83.70786517
    Chien-Ming Wang A 81.92883895
    Javier Vazquez A 81.08614232
    Justin Verlander A 80.14981273
    Cliff Lee A 76.68539326
    Gil Meche A 75.93632959
    Mike Mussina A 73.22097378
    Jon Lester A 73.03370787

    Mussina squeaks in as a Type A.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      Wow, Type-A makes me think we should offer him arbitration and treat it like Bobby Abreu, if he accepts cool, if not, even better.

      • Steve

        Yep, I would bet stuff like that is already in their deals. Where the Yanks offer and the player automatically declines. You would think with the $$ the Yanks pay, they could get a clause like that thrown in.

        I always think of arbitration as a formality. I can’t think of a single Yankee signed FA where arbitration related draft pick comp was ever a problem. If someone else can, please tell me.

        They got compensation for Pettitte (Hughes) Tom Gordon (Joba) Vizcaino (Bleich). I can’t think of a ranked FA who left where they didn’t get it, but maybe someone else can.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

          Yes, but there’s a little caveat to that, how many ranked free agents have the Yanks known to let walk?

          And there is one famous one, Roger Clemens.

          • Steve

            He retired, not sure if that’s the same.

          • Steve

            Actually, that def isn’t the same. There are deadlines for offering arbitration and declaring free agency and its easy to assume that since he retired, some of those would have been missed. Would also explain why the team was as upset as they were when they found out he was coming back.

            • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

              Oh I know, just saying that’s the only one I can think of off the top of my head. If they did offer him arb and he officially retired, then came back, would the Yanks still have been compensated?

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            Boomer and Pettitte walked after 2003. The 4 comp picks turned into Hughes, Poterson (ugh), Brett Smith (ugh) and Jeff Marquez.

            • Steve

              Thanks Mike.

              Can you think of any who walked where we didn’t get compensation? I can’t, and that’s why I suspect the arby stuff is a formality.

  • Frank

    The 2-2 was a ball all the way…

  • Mike Pop

    Yep that was me who mentioned jonathan albadadejo. And Mike do you think Texiera is gonna top the 140 mill offer Texas offered him

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    That was Alex Rodriguez’s first walk since August 24th. Yeah, seriously.

  • Ivan

    Just get at least one run.

  • Frank

    Pettitte a type A? Bedard?

  • Mike Pop

    Nice hit X

  • Ivan

    X-Man just destroyed that ball.

  • Frank

    Holy crap

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    A-Rod had one earlier in the year, and Nady had himself one now, a majestic Home Run.

  • Steve

    Holey Shit, Nady hit the fuck out of that!

  • cult of basebaal

    fucking craig wilson pt. II. that blows.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      Huh?

      • cult of basebaal

        posted on the wrong site … cliff corcoran over at bronx banter decided that nady was craig wilson, pt. II when the trade was made … i just like reminding him of that … too many windows open at once, doh!

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

          Heh, Cliff is a funny dude. I really like their site, feels like I’m reading a novel every time I read the opening to a game thread.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    An X-bomb for X-Nady.

    • Steve

      X-Rated!

  • BigBlueAL

    Its hard to get excited for these games when you switch to the Red Sox game and they are again winning pretty easily.

    • MD

      and doing it with that lineup………

    • Frank

      I kind of don’t want to beat the Rays. We’re out of it; we can still be a $200 mil spoiler for the Red Sox.

      Lose to the Rays, lose to the White Sox, beat the Red Sox.

  • Mike Pop

    That was DEEP

  • Jake H

    damn that was a shot.

  • BigBlueAL

    Nady’s HR was nothing compared to a bomb Strawberry hit there in 1999.

  • Ivan

    One of the farthest homers I ever saw was when Strawberry was with the yanks and he hit one dead center Camden yards.

    • cult of basebaal

      the furthest i ever saw was strawberry’s shot in olympic stadium in montreal while he was with the mets … he hit the cement ring that supported the dome at the top of the upper deck RF bleachers … just an ungodly blast.

  • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    Man, the wheels have fallen off T-Clipp:

    http://web.minorleaguebaseball.....pid=461325

    • Joe

      Thats a shame

    • MD

      did ok yesterday…

    • Ivan

      Man Tyler Clippard is one ugly dude.

      • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

        LOL couldn’t agree more

    • Frank

      That’s not terrible….25 of those walks have come in his last 10 games.

      He is what he is.

      • Steve

        The thing that jumped out at me when he pitched for the Yanks was that he didn’t even have a consistent delivery.

        One time he would throw the ball and end up landing toward home plate, the next pitch he would land toward the Yankee dugout.

        Very weird. Never seen anything like that.

        • Frank

          That really threw hitters off too

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      The wheels were never on. Smoke and mirrors.

      • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

        true, to be fair. but at least he used to give results ;)

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Yeah, but in the end, who cares about A-ball stats if he scouting report doesn’t back it up.

  • Mike Pop

    Maybe we should keep losing so we get a protected first rounder

    • cult of basebaal

      i’ve only been saying *that* for the last month …

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      A) Losing on purpose to get a better pick (or protect a pick with compensation considerations) is incredibly stupid and wrongheaded in baseball, a sport where the draft is a much bigger crapshoot than the NBA or NFL, and B) seeing as how the 15th worst team in baseball is the 68-70 LA Dodgers, we’d have to basically go 7-18 over the last 25 games just to get two games under .500 to even have a shot at one of the 15 worst records in baseball.

      Boo that.

  • Frank

    Where the hell is Moose’s curve tonight?

  • BigBlueAL

    Moose is doin his best Ponson impersonation tonight havin given up 7 hits already in the 4th inning.

    • Ivan

      and that’s what separates him from Ponson.

      • Frank

        That and about 150 lbs

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          …of Pabst Blue Ribbon.

          • Whitey14

            He’s from the islands Mon!

            You know he’s drinking Red Stripe! Hooray Beer!

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

              You sir, you are very ugly, are you not?

              YES, YOU ARE AN UGLY MAN!

    • Greg C.

      At least Moose gives up singles, strikes guys out, and induces the DP.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Nice job, Moose.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqOAlKUP4Ok Mike Pop

    Cano will hit 330 next year with 25 bombs. My prediction

    • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      but he can’t do that! he’s not small and gritty and scrappy!!!1!!!!11!!!!!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      65-XBH for him is my prediction.

    • Ivan

      He needs to say sorry to lady luck, cuz she has screwed him over this season.

    • Ivan

      I will say this, Cano will bounce back in a huge way.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Heh, that throw by Garza made me think of that asshole pitcher who threw the ball into the stands in a Minor league brawl.

  • Ivan

    When does the AAA playoffs start?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Tomorrow. AA too.

      • Ivan

        cool.

        • Joe

          I thought I read it was free on milb.tv, but I could be wrong

          • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

            You were right.

          • Joe

            yup, its free

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    “In order for Brett Gardner to be a successful big leaguer, he needs to learn how to bunt.”

    He also needs to play.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      True, but who does he really deserve to start in favor of? With the current road trip, I think he might spell Johnny Damon for a game.

      • Steve

        Are we in a pennant race that I missed?

        We need to make some evaluations going into next year, let him play. It’s not going to be easy to find a CF, we need to know where we stand.

    • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      let me guess: Michael Kay

  • cult of basebaal

    way to bunt, juggs!!!

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqOAlKUP4Ok Mike Pop

    Why why why couldnt we do this all year

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      You never know, it might not matter. Miracles happen, dammit.

      • BigBlueAL

        The Yankees could win the rest of their games and Boston will still somehow find a way to finish ahead of them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Not for nothing, but Johnny Damon sure has made people eat shit who questioned his signing to a four year deal. Also makes the Red Sox look even worse for replacing him with Covelli Crisp.

    • cult of basebaal

      johnny damon’s problem in the last 3 years has been johnny damon and his counter-productive urge to play every game, regardless of health …

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        Yeah, but the only time his health has truly hampered him was last year. His first season in NY was everything we could have hoped for.

        • cult of basebaal

          oh, quit yer bitchin’, ray announcers, the top of the pitch crossed at the front knee … it might have been low, but it wasn’t “almost in the dirt …”

    • Frank

      Every time he makes a throw Sox fans talk smack… until they look at his #s.

      Boo the guy that helped win your first championship in 86yrs. Most ignorant fanbase ever.

      • Whitey14

        We make fun of his arm because it sucks. We made of his arm when he played in Boston too. I don’t condone the booing, you’re right it’s ignorant, instead I laugh at him, because he thought he would tip the scales NY’s way and instead missed out on a second ring. The Red Sox have had pretty good luck in not bending over and grabbing their ankles for players wanting extra years. Damon, Pedro and Mo Vaughn all come to mind in this regard. Doesn’t appear to me that the Sox missed any of them.

  • E-ROC

    Wow, the Yanks are hitting good pitching.

    • Ivan

      I am a little bit surprise too.

  • Ivan

    Yanks scoring runs.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    What about a Cano for Weeks swap? Straight up, one of one. Change of scenery type thing.

    • E-ROC

      Ah, I’d take pitching.

    • cult of basebaal

      i dunno, the brewers fans over at BBTF are not very high on weeks and there’s no way around the fact that he’s legit brutal with the glove …

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      I know Weeks has serious potential, but Cano has averaged about 56-XBH per season (if he hits another 10-XBH this year, which has roughly been his monthly average). I don’t want to trade that production for Rickie Weeks, who has yet to consistently display his potential on the field.

    • Steve H

      No way, even Cano in a bad year is in the .260’s. Weeks has hit .235 and .226 last 2 years. On a funny note, I went to baseball-reference to look up weeks’ stats, and look at this poor guys name

      http://www.baseball-reference......ch01.shtml

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Now that’s just unfortunate. Funny. But unfortunate.

    • Ivan

      Nah. At least with Cano you get good defense and has shown he can put up big #’s. Where as Weeks hasn’t really put that potential on display.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Oh damn, season premiere of “House” was tonight.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I stopped watching that show after the hot chick doctor left. The one that cared too much.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        She didn’t leave. None of the original doctors left, they are all regulars one the show despite being re-assigned throughout the hospital.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Yeah, but her face time has dropped considerably.

    • E-ROC

      did you watch Generation Kill??

      • Joe

        Isn’t that from the makers of “The Wire”?

        • E-ROC

          Yup, I think so. Great series. It was only 8 episodes though.

    • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      legit?????
      FUCK I missed it

      • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

        no wait–it’s 09/16/08. nvm.

  • BigBlueAL

    I thought the Mets rookie was getting owned??????

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      And I thought my son would marry a woman. A cold wake up for all of us.

      What a great show..

      • BigBlueAL

        Actually I wasnt being sarcastic, I just remembered reading Jamal’s post about him being owned, and I just clicked over to the game now and saw the Mets up 5-1.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          I know, but I had a chance for a great obscure TV reference. Had to take it.

  • Ivan

    How come super talented players are not considered scrappy players and gritty.

    Seriously, Look at A-Rod. He does things that would make Pete Rose proud.

    Slaps a ball out of a player’s glove
    Runs over a couple of catchers
    Gets into a fight
    faked an infielder on a pop ball.

    Gritty shit, and yet people call him not a winner. If A-Rod wasn’t A-Rod, you would say hey, he’s tougher than Eckstein and Pedroia.

    Why?

    • BigBlueAL

      He makes too much money and hasnt won a championship yet. Oh and people are jealous of him.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        …And he’s not white or fugly.

    • Steve H

      Because 5’6 baseball writers like Buster Olney can’t relate to A-Rod, they think they can relate to Pedrioa and Eckstein, because they all got their lunch money stolen from them as kids

      • Ivan

        And they watch to many movies of Rudy and Hoosiers.

    • Frank

      A-Rod plays as hard or harder than any player in baseball. But I don’t think any of that stuff you mentioned could be called “gritty.”

      I think people are more down on Cano not being “gritty, not A-Rod.

      • Ivan

        I just think it’s steriotypes and misconceptions.

  • Frank

    Wow, the chick who just sang at RNC was UNBELIEVABLY hot

    • Steve

      Who says “Politics is show biz for ugly people”?

      Oh, that’s right. Everyone does.

    • BigBlueAL

      The Vice-President candidate!!!! Just kidding….

      • Steve

        Did you see her daughter who got knocked up?

        . . . . . . kinda . . . . chunky, huh?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Well, she’s 5 months pregnant. And you’d hit it anyway. ;)

          • Steve

            Yeah, but I’d be drunk and lonely.

            Which is most nights, come to think of it.

    • Greg C.

      Who was it?

      I was watching the other convention with the other 72 year old white guy. He’s having a popular Republican female sing tonight. Some find her hot, but she doesnt do anything for me.

    • Frank

      Some 22-year-old Christian singer. I forget her name. Perfect looking.

    • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      I don’t care how hot she is, fuck McCain, and fuck Palin. I won’t say “fuck her daughter” because someone has apparently done that already…

      • BigBlueAL

        Gotta love talkin politics!!!!

      • cult of basebaal

        i wouldn’t fuck ann coulter with bea arthur’s dick!

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          Ladies and Gentlemen, the highlight of Jeffrey Ross’s career! It’s all downhill from here.

      • Steve

        Alaska.

        Where men are men and Walruses are nervous.

        Seriously, that daughter of hers is built like a Harbor Seal.

        • BigBlueAL

          The mom though for her age dont look that bad.

          • Steve

            I know, thats why it jumps out at me.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Here’s one thing that has struck me the most so far: regardless of your politics, I’d say, the Republican convention tonight looks like a snoozefest. None of their speakers are even moderately intriguing, good or captivating public speakers, or have anything worthwhile to say. Both the president and the first lady almost put me to sleep. Denver was a damn rock concert; Michelle, Hillary, Bill, and Biden all did well (although Al Gore is still boring as shit) and Obama killed it in Mile High, all the glitterati (even Chevy Chase – wtf?) were there front and center. Tonight in St. Paul looks like Bingo night at the old-folks home. The jokes all suck, the platitudes all seem fake, the applause is all perfunctory, and people are just rattling off retread policy points and not speaking towards any compelling issue, philosophy, or value towards why the country should rally behind their vision. And neither Palin or McCain will be any better…

      The 2008 McCain Republicans remind me of the 2000 Al Gore Democrats… they look rudderless and talentless. It’s kinda sad.

      • Whitey14

        Perfunctory! That’s a fifty center right there! Dynamite Drop in!

  • Ivan

    Giambi showing leather.

    • Frank

      A Gold Glove to go with the Gold Thong

  • cult of basebaal

    EL GATO GIAMBI!!!

  • Chris

    You know, the Rays rotation has almost nothing to do with their high draft picks. This is the end result of being patient with young pitchers, and getting enough luck to keep them all healthy for the entire season.

    Here’s how the Ray’s acquired their pitchers:

    Scott Kazmir – he’s the highest draft pick of the bunch (by the Mets at 15th overall). He was acquired by fleecing the Mets.
    Matt Garza – 25th overall pick by the Twins. Traded for Demon Young, who was the 1st overall pick. This is the only starter that you can attribute to the Rays having high draft picks.
    Edwin Jackson – 6th round pick by the Dodgers. Acquired in a low profile trade.
    Andy Sonnanstine – 13th round pick
    James Shields – 16th round pick
    This rotation should be a credit to the Rays player development – don’t just write it off because of their high draft picks.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      You know, outside of 1998 (when the D-Rays did not pick until the 4th round, maybe Mike can explain why), the Rays have not picked higher than 8th overall since 1997.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        They signed a whole bunch of FA. Greg Vaughn, Jose Canseco, Vinny Castillo were probably the Type-A’s.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Great post, Chris. Allow me to restate it slightly to make a point:

      Sonnanstine – 13th round pick
      Shields – 16th round pick
      Kazmir – Acquired when the Mets gave up on his potential after some struggles
      Garza – Acquired when the Twins gave up on his potential after some struggles
      Jackson – Acquired when the Dodgers gave up on his potential after some struggles

  • BigBlueAL

    Am I the only guy who finds that Avis commercial funny as hell????

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.
    • Ivan

      LMAO. WOW.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.
        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

          Oh man, I absolutely love how he tries to play it off by walking away so calmly.

        • Ivan

          LOL. I give him credit for playing it off the way he did.

        • Frank

          No way is that one funnier than Odell “Uh..we may need emergency surgery.”

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            I enjoyed how much Odell looks like Peter Griffin.

    • Frank

      LOL. I’ve seen that before.

      “That got me Odell.”

    • E-ROC

      “Ooohh that hurt. Oh that hurt big time. A piece of that tip just got me. Oh that hurt.”

      What a dumb$$!!!ROFLMAO!

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      Heh, I like how the camera kept slowly panning the other swords as if nothing happened.

  • Nady Nation

    I know most people are outraged by the pricing of the new Stadium, but my Tier Reserve MVP seats are actually going DOWN in price from this year, if you can believe that. I think the Yankees did a good job, to be honest. Only the most expensive seats are really becoming more expensive, and the people paying for those seats most likely have the income to support such price hikes. I know it’s only the first year of the Stadium and the prices will probably skyrocket in ’10, but what do you expect in a state of the art new ballpark? I think people should appreciate the Yanks not railing you in the wallet right off the bat.

    • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      that’s like a rich Republican saying, “Wow. I think Bush was a a great President. He cut my taxes and now I have a lot more money to keep to myself. Who gives a fuck about the poor or middle class? Thanks George!” ;)

      • Nady Nation

        I don’t really see how that’s like that at all. The rich in this scenario are PAYING MORE, not getting exempt from paying. I’m a 23 year old one year out of college making an entry level salary and supporting myself, if I made it seem like I was saying “fuck poor people”, then I apologize, b/c I was in that class.

        • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

          sorry but I meant that to be a politcal joke. obviously it didn’t land.

          • Nady Nation

            I understood the joke, just didn’t think the context was right. Anyway, fuck W, McCain, Palin, and her pregnant daughter. Obama/Biden ’08

        • Nady Nation

          Also, I’m not really sure how decreasing or maintaining the prices in the bleachers and most of the upper deck can be classified as “Who gives a fuck about the poor or middle class?”

      • Steve H

        They run a business. If we want them to go out and get CC/Tex/Sheets, they can jack up the prices as much as they want and still sell tickets. If a $20 face value ticket goes for $200 on the street, they don’t get a dime of that extra $180, why not jack up the prices themselves so they get the benefit of it? It’s all about supply and demand, and until the supply outweighs the demand the Yankees can profit off of their product and lucky for us they put it back into the team. Rather see them get the extra $$ than some scalper on the street.

        • BigBlueAL

          Seeing that I live in Miami, hell yeah raise those prices and make that money to keep up having a huge payroll!!!!!!

  • Ivan

    I think the yanks are gonna have a good sept.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Yikes, the Florida-Atlanta game is 13-10 in the 5th.

    • Ivan

      Falcons and Dolphins are playing.

  • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    I think Hinske would be a good pickup as a bench/platton player. Then again, we have to know what we’ll get from Juan Miranda…

  • D.B.

    buchholz stole my laptop

  • Nady Nation

    Just secured tix for the World Champion New York Football Giants and I must admit, I am pumped. Now for my Super Bowl pick: Saints over Chargers. A little ballsy, but I figured I’d go out on a limb

    • Nady Nation

      *Tix for the opener, my bad

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    New Max Payne trailer (it is fucking amazing): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v.....-US:offici

    The song is “If I was Your Vampire” by Marilyn Manson.

  • Ivan

    If there were three people you wanna meet in the history of baseball who would it be?

    Mines are Jackie Robinson, Babe Ruth and the third guy would be Buck O’neil.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      Ty Cobb, Joe DiMaggio, and Ted Williams. I would want to meet Cobb because I’d just want to find out if he truly was a bad person, and why. I’d want to meet the Yankee Clipper because, well, he’s the fucking Yankee Clipper. Also, to find out if he really was a douche to Mickey Mantle, and why. Lastly, Ted Williams because I’d want to find out how much he regretted sacrificing an opportunity to be regarded as the best hitter in the history of baseball to fight in the war.

      • Joe

        You picked a couple of A-holes there.

      • cult of basebaal

        hell, i’d be more interested in knowing what it was like to be the greatest hitter ever and a fucking fighter ace … ted williams was a bad, Bad, BAD ASS man …

    • cult of basebaal

      1st group:

      babe ruth, mickey mantle, billy martin

      2nd group:

      jim bouton, mike marshall, moe berg

      see if you can guess the themes for both …

    • Ivan

      I really would love to meet Ruth. He was really the first Athlete with absolute swagger. You can talk for 2 hours and had nothing to do with baseball and drink mad beer and liquor.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Eddie Gaedel, Kirk Radomski, and Morgana the Kissing Bandit.

    • Jack

      Yogi, Mickey Rivers, and Bob Ueker. All at the same time.

  • D.B.

    DP JETER!!!

    • Steve

      Is that a fantasy of yours?

      • D.B.

        hell yeah

        • Steve

          You know I wasn’t talking ‘Double Play’. The other DP.

          Jeter, huh? Whatever floats your boat, bro.

      • BigBlueAL

        Fantasy??? Thats pure reality baby….

  • Ivan

    I’ll give DJ a break on that GIDP.

  • BigBlueAL

    Wouldnt be a real Yankees game w/o a Jeter GIDP.

  • Pedro

    Ump’s in a hurry. That 0-2 wasn’t even close.

  • BigBlueAL

    Oh boy, looks like Joba could be pitching the final 2 innings!!!!

  • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    Per PeteAbe:

    <blockquote cite=”UPDATE, 9:31 p.m.: Were I a fan of the Yankees, this game would annoy me. Where was this kind of play all season when they needed it? They get 12 games down and then put the smack down on the Rays.”

    OK. Combined with what we already know, he’s definitely a Red Sox fan.

    • Joe

      Does he have to be a Yankee fan to cover the Yankees?

      • Steve

        I think its SOP in the newspaper/media biz to get someone who’s NOT a fan of a team to cover them. The notion is they are more likely to be objective. But in the case of Joel Sherman, Bob Klapisch, Peter Abraham, and many of the other Yankee beat reporters, they simply don’t get how the Yanks operate, what being a Yankee and rooting for the Yanks is all about. This really show up when they start talking trades and off season moves. Clueless.

        It sounds very much like listening to Mets fans discussing the Yanks, which goes on all day on WFAN.

        • Ivan

          Word.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      Seeing as how the Yankees were 7-5 coming into tonight’s game against the Rays, I don’t know what he means by “They get 12 games down and then put the smack down on the Rays.”

    • cult of basebaal

      yeah, that’s why he writes things like:

      “The just showed a fan on the scoreboard waving a sign that read, “Rays Rule, Yankees Drool.”

      Incredibly, it was an adult. Must not be Mensa Night here at the Trop.”

  • BigBlueAL

    Honestly Abreu’s range is embarrassing.

  • BigBlueAL

    Contrary to what Michael Kay just said, Moose’s best season with the Yankees was BY FAR, statistically at least, 2001.

  • Greg C.

    Ok the bottom of the lineup hitting back to back doubles. Is someone warming up?(I’m following on sportsline/Gameday)

    • Joe

      Joba is as well

  • Pedro

    Moose out for the 7th wasn’t the best choice, but it could go either way. Not taking him out after first the double, that’s just more dumb managing from mr. Girardi.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      Ugh, again with the hindsight managing. He completed six innings while striking out eight and was due up to face the 8-9-1 hitters in Tampa’s lineup. Why would Joe Girardi be “dumb” to keep him in after giving up a hit when the #9 hitter is due up? Especially with a 6-1 lead.

  • Greg C.

    I agree it could have gone either way. if he had a 1-2-3 inning,stayed around 110-115 pitches, and saved the bullpen- it would have been a wise move. And as long as they ( team AND Moose) get the win, it didn’t hurt anything. But I think once he allows a runner, its bye bye.

  • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    JOBA TIME!!

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    JOBA!!!

  • BigBlueAL

    Its Joba time!!!!!!

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

    So I guess this is part of the “ease Joba back into things” transition, huh?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Heh. It’s the David Robertson rules.

  • E-ROC

    Does Joba have a pitch count?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Oh, this got caught in moderation so it took awhile to post: http://riveraveblues.com/2008/.....ent-147696

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Today we spell redemption J-O-B-A.

    • BigBlueAL

      Cue the Joba should be in the pen debate again…..

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Talk about a letdown. All that for one pitch? Boo!

  • Hybrid Moments

    It’s a shame to see Chamberlain coming out of the bullpen. This team really is clueless as far as the front office is concerned.

  • Steve

    Nice to see Joba in a game again, in whatever role.

    BTW-If the Yanks thought they were in a pennant race, wouldn’t they be stretching him out so they have a #1 stud starter for the playoffs? Another tacit admission that they know they’re done.

    • Greg C.

      nah. They have a “gain 1 game per week and sweep Boston” plan. They are planning on a Postseason 3 man rotation of Rasner-Pavano-Ponson

  • Steve

    Tack on.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Wow, it looked like he was out in front of that one. God Damn this dude has some power.

  • D.B.

    a bomb

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Hey look, an RBI after the 7th for A-Rod.

  • Greg C.

    clutch!

  • BigBlueAL

    Doesnt count, not clutch.

  • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    how unclutch, they’re leading by 4…

    anway, amazing when you talk about a 33 year old on an all-time HR list.

    • Joe

      I was going to ask if the Yankees win 7-6 does the run become clutch? Is there a stat for like “Pre-Clutch” for runs that aren’t currently clutch, but have the potential to be clutch?

      • BigBlueAL

        LOL. Good point.

  • Ivan

    One under appreciated 3rd baseman ties another under appreciated 3rd baseman.

    • BigBlueAL

      Schmidt mightve been un-appreciated at home by the stupid Phillies fans, but he is widely regarded as the greatest 3B of all-time. If not top 2 or 3 at worst.

      • Steve

        Yep. Philly fans wouldn’t know a great player if he fell on them.

        Now us Yankee fans would NEVER complain about a great player. . . .

        • BigBlueAL

          Aaaah, but Schmidt won a championship with the Phillies, what has A-Rod ever won!!!!!

          • Steve

            YEAH! HE’S A NUMBAH HANGER!! NOT A WINNING PLAYAH!!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Amazing, at some point during his age 33 season, only seven more people (Mark McGwire is 8th with 583) will have more career Home Runs in Major League baseball than Alex Rodriguez. Amazing.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      Sorry, next year will be A-Rod’s age 34 season.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        Actually, I was right the first time. A-Rod will be 34 next year but the majority of his 2009 season will be spent as a 33-year-old.

      • Steve

        Think he’ll miss 100 RBIs this year for the first time since he was 21 years old?

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

          Nah.

          • Steve

            85 with 24 games left . . . . .

    • Steve

      McGwire doesn’t count, and neither does Bonds.

      • BigBlueAL

        Ditto Sosa and Palmeiro.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          Why, because they juiced, so you have to decrease their home run totals? Fine. I counter with this: Ken Griffey Jr. didn’t juice, but many of the pitchers he faced juiced, so you have to increase his home run totals. So, he actually has 750 home runs. He’s the record holder.

      • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

        You think Sadaharu Oh should count? Maybe even as just an asterisk?

        • Steve

          No. You have to consider level of competition. I can only imagine how many HRs Foxx, Ruth, Mays, Williams or Aaron would have hit if they played in the minors their whole careers.

      • E-ROC

        Bud Selig and Donald Fehr don’t count either.

      • Greg C.

        Well let’s calculate some steroid penalty for Bonds and knock him to down to..yeah, still more than A-Rod and still best player of his generation. And dont forget Sosa. Babe Ruth played in a segregated league that did not allow a lot of best pitchers to play, so he should get a segregation penalty as well. Need something for the pitching mound and ballpark dimensions as well. So maybe that cancels out. We’ll figure it out. Or when A-Rod hits 800+ it really won’t matter. Unless we find out all the steroid women he’s dated inject him also.

        • Steve

          Steroid penalty? How about we just forget about everything he did after 2000?

      • Ivan

        I don’t care what people say, Bonds was the best lefthanded hitter since really Ted Williams.

        • Steve

          How many HRs would Williams have hit with all those drugs?

          Did you hear about the anti narcolepsy drug he was on that made him super alert and made the pitches look like they were in slow motion? Plus the steroids, plus the dozen or so other drugs he was on.

          If you haven’t read “Game of Shadows” give it a look before you call him Ted Williams.

          • Ivan

            True, but it wasn’t all the drugs trust me. Plus, the guy played in great pitcher’s ballpark.

            • Steve

              . . . and Ted Williams was a lefty hitting in Fenway park, which is no picnic, either. He also missed 3 prime years of his career because he volunteered to serve in WW2.

              Please. I’ll give you that Bonds was an all time great player before 2000, but after that his numbers are meaningless to me.

  • D.B.

    hey mike,

    would you trade hughes for loney or fielder?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      Unless his name is Albert Pujols, you don’t trade a 22-year-old hurler with Phil Hughes’ upside for a First Basemen.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Definitely not Fielder, no on Loney too, but not as emphatically.

      • Steve

        What is this stuff about Matt Kemp being a bad actor?

  • http://yankeesfuture.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    Is it me or has Prince Fielder gotten fatter?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      At that point, does it matter? Can you tell?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Nice, Hinskie’s walk-up music in Pantera.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    Hey, I knew something was missing. Where’s that jackass heckler who sits behind home plate and screams asinine things at the road players all while his son sits next to him?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      That guy’s been there since ’98.

  • BigBlueAL

    Oh boy, here we go with the MPH readings….

  • Ivan

    It’s great to see Joba back.

  • Chris

    Is it just me, or is Joba’s delivery different? He seems to be much softer at the finish than I remember.

    • Joe

      Agreed

  • Joey H

    is it me… or is joba’s velocity wayyyy down?

    • BigBlueAL

      Thats what the announcers have been discussing.

      • Joey H

        i have them on mute.

  • BigBlueAL

    If Joba was holding back, its time now to let it go.

  • BigBlueAL

    Anybody on Gamecast or whatever its called who can tell us what his MPH’s have been????

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Gameday had him at 93-95. Don’t worry about it, if he wasn’t fine they wouldn’t send him out there.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    YES’ readings are just off, Gameday has him at 93-95MPH. Certainly not what we’re used to seeing from Joba, but certainly not as big a drop-off as YES is making it out to be.

    • Joey H

      also like i said in the post below urs, remember that he probably isnt raring back for anything too fiery being his first outing back and with a 5 run lead or w/e it is now

    • BklynJT

      I certainly do trust gameday more than Yes, but isnt it funny how the YES gun is usually known for being too high.

  • Joey H

    ok this velocity shit is really creeping the shit out of me. he hasnt gone higher than 91! is it just a precautionary move on his part to not rush back and pull back for anything extra?

    • cult of basebaal

      he didn’t throw a pitch *below* 91 on the last batter, what have you been smoking???

      • Joey H

        ok you fucking wise ass can we just realize that i posted this before he faced that batter? or do you just want to be a wise ass and persist that i intentionally said something that wasnt true?

        • cult of basebaal

          well, given your past history, as well as what we saw *before* that batter, i’ll go with choice number 2.

          • Joey H

            yea only if you had the slightest idea on my “past history.” next time bring a real argument to the table what you are saying its absolutely irrelevant

            • cult of basebaal

              shhssh. i wasn’t talking about your time as a slightly-retarded-gay-parisian-streetwalker … just your calvacade of inanity during the time you spend gracing us with your “thoughts” here …

              • Joey H

                is this worth responding too, given what an immature jackass you are making your self out to be?

              • BklynJT

                Someones got the online dictionary going as we speak…

              • Joe

                that was funny

    • Nady Nation

      The pitches that YES had at 88, 89, gameday had at 93, 94. YES’ gun has been slow all season

      • Joey H

        k thanks. generally when i watch a baseball game im not watching the same game simultaneously on gameday

      • Steve

        Don’t forget they’re on the road.

        Probably using the Rays stadium gun, and guns vary greatly. Some tune them up for the fans to make their pitchers look like they’re throwing harder, and other places tune them down to get their pitchers to stop looking at the gun and start pitching more.

        They can also vary depending on where they pick the ball up. If its immediately out of the pitchers hand, its faster. If its as the ball crosses the plate, its slower.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Making something out of nothing. If he wasn’t healthy, they wouldn’t have him out there.

  • BklynJT

    Hopefully he is just taking it easy. The whole point is for him to get his innings up, not pitch meaningful innings.

  • Joe

    I smell a Joba velocity article

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

      So true. BBTN and others will be like “You see, you see!!111!111 The Yanks are rushing him, he’s not ready, he’s not healthy, BOSTON IS TEH WICKED AWESOME!111!11!”

  • BigBlueAL

    I just looked at every pitch on Gameday and his fastballs were all clocked between 92-95 mph with the one-pitch to Baldelli at 96 mph.

  • A.D.

    I’m sure hes just taking it eassy, not the worst if he learns to not just rear back

  • BklynJT

    Holy shit, did they just say Arod had 11 double plays in August… yikes

  • Ivan

    Do we see Mo at the bot of the 9th?

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=594331910 Jamal G.

    My bold prediction for the rest of the season is that A-Rod hits ten more dingers this month to reach the 40-HR plateau in consecutive seasons for the first time since 2002-2003.

    • Joey H

      i wish we had any reason to believe that. i think it will be more of an RBI month in contrast to a huge homerun month

    • Steve

      Wow, 10 more solo shots?

      That will mean we are either having a great month or getting blown out every night.

      Hahahaha!

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Well, we’ll probably be mathematically eliminated soon, so the games won’t matter… so yeah, he’ll hit 15 homers in the last three weeks.

  • Joey H

    how many starts for moosey?

    • Joey H

      starts left*

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        5, including the last game of the year at Fenway.

        • Joey H

          22 wins? lol

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Dan Giese in the hizzy. Another terrible signing by Cash.

    • BklynJT

      Seriously, what was he thinking…

    • Joey H

      mike did u call into michael kays show today? i think i heard someone mention a point about the yankees coming back into the race that you have made on here before

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        No, I’ve never listened to his show in my life.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          Lucky bastard.

  • LC

    wow albaledejo (spelling?) pitched 2 innings for SI Yankees. Raise your hand if you forgot about him…think he’ll be in the bullpen next season?

    • Joey H

      isnt that the guy we got when we traded the kid with the pimples?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Thaaaaaaa Yankees win!!!

  • BigBlueAL

    Well Pete Abe said that Joba was throwing 95 mph and said he looked good so I dont think there will be articles discussing his lack of velocity if the gun in Tampa was correct like the Gameday gun and had Joba around 94-95 all game.

    • A.D.

      must have had his phiten on after all

      • BklynJT

        I have a phiten and it doesnt work. The best i could do was get paint chips to fall of the wall.

  • Steve

    HERE COME THE YANKEES! WATCH OUT TAMPA BAY!!!

    DOWN TO 12 IN THE LOSS, BABY!!!

  • Russell NY

    Maybe I am crazy but it looks like you have two spaces inbetween Alex and Rodriguez. Maybe that’s why?

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