Game 151: Just keep on winning


Sorry this is a bit late tonight. We’re taking you right up to game time. For those who want to watch the AAA team rather than the big leagues, you can check out the Bricktown Showdown on ESPN 2. Mike has the game thread, so you can comment along there. Over here, we’ll talk about the Yankees taking on the White Sox.


1. Johnny Damon, DH
2. Derek Jeter, SS
3. Bobby Abreu, RF
4. Alex Rodriguez, 3B
5. Jason Giambi, 1B
6. Xavier Nady, LF
7. Robinson Cano, 2B
8. Jose Molina, C
9. Brett Gardner, CF

And on the mound, number forty-six, Andy Pettitte.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. Steve says:

    “And on the mount, number forty-six, Andy Pettitte.”

    The mount? Is he giving a sermon?

  2. Mike Pop says:

    Jeter congrats my friend !!!!!!!!

  3. Joe says:


  4. Mike Pop says:

    He gotta get anotherr hit tho

  5. Ivan says:

    Congrads to the great Derek Jeter.

  6. J.R. says:

    Side note, ESPN’s show E60 just aired a report on the park grounds the yankees are taking. While it contained the same info that everyone here has seen, it was nice to see it on a national platform.

    • Steve says:

      Yeah, I just finished watching it. Wasn’t overly impressed.

      The standard class warfare/everybody complains about everything in NYC piece. Complicated issues were broken down to ’60 minutes’ style soundbite answers, designed to make the Mayor and his officials look as bad as possible. I’m sorry, but the stadium project is very big, very complicated and breaking it down to 2 second answers sheds little light on anything. I found the complaining about the astro turf especially amusing. I couldn’t make my point any better than that part did.

      This is so typical of every large project in NYC, the local community groups (self appointed types who claim to represent the community) oppose the project. The people who are actually elected to government who actually legally represent the community are generally for it, and the big bad business is painted as plundering virgin land and ruining the community.

      I guess they’re all looking to be the next Robert Caro, but unfortunately for them none of them will be.

      • J.R. says:

        I agree it is a huge project with many view points and complicated answers. Also that E60 did a simplistic job on covering it.

        But after reading all the posts over the last year it is good to see it getting more coverage. And my guess is that you’d agree that the new parklands are inferior to the old one.

        • Steve says:

          No, actually the local community is getting new parks that will blow away what used to be there. But that doesn’t fit the “Good Little Guy vs Big Bad Business/City” narrative, so you didn’t see much of that. THe ESPN guys aren’t interested in getting things right and presenting the whole story, that would be NPR-ish and boring. So they give you a good guy vs bad guy “story”. And its about as accurate as most fairy tales.

          Not only are the residents getting better facilities, they’re getting stuff you usually only find in rich neighborhoods. Tennis Courts? Do you really think the folks of the South Bronx are interested in Tennis? Those things will be vandalized and dilapidated in 5 years. Because nobody but the city officials wanted them there. And they only wanted them there for political reasons, not because there was some hue and cry for Tennis in the boogie down Bx.

          • While it’s true that many of the newly renovated parks are amazing (I did a ribbon cutting at one a few weeks ago), one of the real concerns is that the central park in the replacement plan will be atop one of the new Stadium parking garages.

            Community activists are reasonably concerned about a plan that has Bronx kids playing atop a concrete structure full of cars and exhaust fumes.

            • Steve says:

              I’m not saying that’s an ideal place for a park, I’m responding to the ESPN-60 piece that was largely negative and painted the local residents as getting totally screwed. Which isn’t remotely fair to anyone familiar with the project, or how good the Yanks/Steinbrenner family have been to the Bronx over the years.

              You’d need to see the ESPN piece (if you haven’t already) to view my comments in context. I was largely reacting to that.

  7. Ivan says:

    Gavin Flyod, an another example of why you don’t give up on young talented arms.

    Fun Fact:

    Flyod was once ranked higher as a prospect than Cole Hamels.

  8. Joey says:

    Anything random to discuss tonight? I gotta kill some time (until 8:50ish), I’m sitting in class right now (don’t worry, the class is BS)

    • E-ROC says:

      Eric Mangini under-utilizing Brett Favre is something random.

      • Joey says:

        I guess, I would have loved to see him throw once off a play-action to Baker or even Keller, but I can understand Mangini trying to rush it 3 times from short yardage with Jones and the supposively beefed up line

        • E-ROC says:

          I don’t understand that play calling, especially against the Patriots. You don’t give up a pick to have Favre hand the ball off to Thomas Jones. Also, all of the money spent this past off-season by the Jets was so that they can compete and win right now, even though their offensive and defensive lines sucked last year. Mangini can’t be conservative with the play calling; he needs to open the playbook more.

      • Speaking of this, here’s what our boy Michael Kay (he of the new three year deal) said this afternoon on his show — I’m not making this up or paraphrasing:

        “Favre has 48 attempts through 2 games… he’s never averaged less than 29 attempts a game, so that’s 58 attempts he should have now! He’s averaging 10 fewer attempts per game!!!”

        Stay with me here, Mikey… 10 fewer TOTAL attempts over TWO games is not 10 fewer attempts PER GAME… it’s FIVE.

        Michael Kay… is such an idiot today…

        • Gary D says:

          Kay is a moron. Jim Kaat forgot more about baseball than Kay ever knew. Every telecast, MK can be counted on to say at least five stupid things.

  9. E-ROC says:

    Alexei Ramirez turned out to be a pretty good signing by White Sox.

  10. Mike A. says:

    Brett Gardner makes shit happen.

  11. Ivan says:

    BG with a single.

  12. Mike Pop says:

    Brett needs to hit the weights this offseason

  13. Ivan says:

    They way that a runner is on scoring position on 1st base with A-Rod is at the plate,

    Well with BG, when he’s on 1st, that usually could be a double.

  14. E-ROC says:

    I guess Brett Gardner decided that swinging the bat is better than a called-third strike.

  15. Joe says:

    He’s certaintly distracting floyd

  16. Ivan says:

    I never really got that rule in concern with stealing 3rd.

    • Jamal G. says:

      You don’t make the first out at third because you can score without the benefit of a base-hit. You don’t make the third out at third because the only advantage you get is being able to score on a Wild Pitch or Passed Ball. The runner will be off at the crack of the bat with two outs on second base, so no real advantage is gained.

  17. Jamal G. says:

    John Flaherty, what is A.J. Pierzysnki consistent at, sucking? Over the course of the past five seasons, Pierzynski has thrown out runners at a clip of 24% or less. I fail to see how you can call his 19%-CS this year “surprising”.

    Stop being such a tool.

  18. Mike A. says:

    God dammit Derek, stop bunting.

  19. Steve says:

    Funny, Brett gardner seems to do something every night to help the team win games. But as we all know he has no place on the Yankees.

    Maybe as a 4th OFer, thats it.

  20. Ivan says:

    Why are you bunting Jeter.

    Don’t you understand you are doing the opposition a favor giving yourself up.

  21. Mike A. says:

    Kay just verbally bitch smacked Flaherty.

  22. Jamal G. says:

    You like the play because you are a tool, John Flaherty. Shut up.

  23. Pedro says:

    Don’t they get tired of not getting the runner in from third with less than 2 outs?

  24. Ivan says:

    Isn’t it funny that he kills Jeter for Bunting, but when Cano is told to bunt, he gets mad that all hitters should know how to bunt and etc.

    Persoanlly I think the Bunt is a primitive and overrated move.

    • Nady Nation says:

      I mean, it clearly depends on the situation. I don’t see how a bunt is an overrated move if you have a shit hitter up there and you want to move a runner into scoring position for good hitters coming up after him. Derek Jeter bunting is dumb. Jose Molina bunting is not

      • Ivan says:

        To me, you don’t gain much of a advantage with a bunt. First outs are very precious and giving outs like that especially with a hitter who can do serious damage doesn’t help you.

        Not just the hitter but with lets say with Gardner at 1st, and you have an average hitter at the plate, wouldn’t it be easier to let Gardner steal than bunt him to second.

        • Nady Nation says:

          Like I said, it depends on the scenario. As I stated, bunting with a good hitter is stupid. I never advocated bunting with a guy who can do serious damage. I advocated bunting with a guy who cannot do damage, a la Molina, Melky, Gardner, etc. Obviously if you have a fast guy on first then you let them steal, again that would be a case where it wouldn’t be wise to bunt

  25. Mike Pop says:

    Pettite is killin me

  26. Pedro says:

    It’s really sad to have to watch Pettitte suck this bad. I’m used to him being good, it feels weird. He should retire after this season.

    • Nady Nation says:

      You don’t think it’s at all possible that he’s hurt, which is accounting for his sucking? It’s pretty rash to just say that he should retire

      • Pedro says:

        Then why is he playing? Right now he’s result are Ponson like. For a guy who has been as good as Pettitte has, if he’s playing at that level, he should retire.

        • Nady Nation says:

          That’s a joke. I’m pretty sure you’ve ripped Carl Pavano for not going out there because of his bullshit injuries, Andy has shoulder trouble and is pitching in meaningless games b/c he has pride and is trying to gut it out for the team. How can you not even acknowledge that the results just may be due to an injury?

          • Pedro says:

            Then he should take himself out. And no I’ve never ripped Pavano for not going out there, I just ripped him for his durability. And yes, I thought Moose should have retired, there’s no way anybody could have predicted what he’s doing right now. Did you thought he could be any good this year (moose) after watching him pitch last season?

        • Nady Nation says:

          Also, were you clamoring for Moose to retire after last year?

  27. Ivan says:

    Pettitte shoulder must be really killing him.

  28. Jamal G. says:

    Here’s a cool game, predict the first ten (or five, whichever you feel like you could handle) picks of a real MLB fantasy draft:

    1. Hanley Ramirez
    2. Joe Mauer
    3. Felix Hernandez
    4. Justin Upton
    5. David Price
    6. Alex Rodriguez
    7. Tim Lincecum
    8. Grady Sizemore
    9. Jose Reyes
    10. Albert Pujols

    Rough list here, obviously I focused on the premium positions, the reason why I debated even including Albert Pujols in the list.

    • Joe says:

      lincecum, hernandez, Pujols, Rodriguez, Price

    • Mike A. says:

      Hanley, Mauer, Sizemore, A-Rod, Longoria, Wright, Hamilton, Pujols, Utley, Reyes.

      I wouldn’t take a pitcher until a few rounds in. They have a tendency to blow out elbows and tear labrums and just suck for no apparent reason. Build an up-the-middle core of young position players before anything.

      • Jamal G. says:

        Chase Utley isn’t too old for you? A-Rod is such a talent that age wont be a factor for him until his late 30′s, but mortals like Utley, I wouldn’t take him in the top ten.

        Good point on the pitcehrs. In that case I would replace the three pitchers with Evan Longoria, David Wright, and….Buster Posey. Yeah, why not?

  29. Pedro says:

    Every pitch is up and in the middle of plate. Make a move Girardi.

  30. Hybrid Moments says:

    Pettitte better be taking an enormous pay cut to return if that is something the team wants.

    • Pedro says:

      Only if the Yankees coaches commit to not give him a guaranteed spot in the rotation, meaning if he plays like he’s playing right now, they release him.
      (something I don’t believe they’ll do)

  31. Ivan says:

    IBB Ramirez a guy who hardley walks? I understand it sep up the DP but still.

  32. Joe says:

    The sooner it turns into a blowout the sooner we get to see Cervilli and Sanchez

  33. Joe says:

    Anybody else having an issue with the sound on The sound is ahead of the video

  34. BigBlueAL says:

    I Love Pettitte to death. But if he wants to pitch in the new Yankee Stadium next season, its gonna have to be during Old-Timers Day.

    Because if he aint hurt, than he is borderline sucking now (even though he did have a very good 1st half). If he is hurt and may need some kind of surgery, having a rehabbing old pitcher trying to comeback healthy may not be the best of pitchers to sign.

    Of course if he is willing to come back for another season at a HUGE reduced salary, than by all means sign him….

  35. Jamal G. says:

    LoL @ Odalis Perez owning the Mets.

  36. Ivan says:

    The hits just keep on comming for Derek Jeter.

    The Bunt play looks so good now.

  37. Ivan says:

    Hit a Homer A-Rod.

  38. Pedro says:

    Nad of course Giambi strikes out. It was a good AB, but he’s got to get a hit with RISP sometime in this decade. This is just pathetic.

  39. Jamal G. says:

    Willie Harris has made three awe-inspiring catches against the Mets this season. Wow.

  40. Ivan says:

    Juan Uribe career OBP is .295 Yikes.

  41. Ivan says:

    Boy would I like a player like Elijah Dukes.

  42. BigBlueAL says:

    Veras and Edwar have come crashing back down to Earth recently.

  43. Ivan says:

    Come on Veras, you gave up a double who absolutely suck as a hitter.

  44. Ivan says:

    I wonder if we see Humberto Sanchez tonight?

  45. BigBlueAL says:

    Gardner!!!! A ground-rule double to CF!!!!

    • Chip says:

      That probably turned a triple into a double with his speed

      • BigBlueAL says:

        I was just shocked that he could hit it over the wall on one bounce to CF. You know if he could hit the ball that solidly once in a while to keep the outfield honest and not have them playing him barely on the outfield grass, Gardner could be maybe a regular CF batting 9th on the Yankees next season.

        • The juxtaposition of this comment contrasted with your seemingly complete abandonment of hope that IPK will ever amount to shit… is…

          interesting, IMO.

          • BigBlueAL says:

            Cause the Yankees already have a bunch of average starters like IPK. They dont have anybody else who runs as fast and covers as much ground in CF as Gardner. Big difference.

            • … ugh. No, not a big difference.

              Way to miss the point. Let’s sum up:

              Brett Gardner, 24 and never had any demonstrable success at the ML level, only slightly above average at best in the minor leagues, does not profile as an everyday player: In your opinion, if he can improve a little with experience and opportunity, maybe he can help us out…

              Ian Kennedy, 23 and had a brief bit of success at the ML level before struggling, dominant in the minors, profiles as somewhere between a 2 and a 5 starter: He’s garbage and will never amount to shit.

              You don’t exactly show Joe Morganesque levels of consistency there, buddy.

              • BigBlueAL says:

                I still think Gardner aint gonna amount to much. BTW, my main problem is, and always has been and nobody seems to understand, is this fascination with IPK. Everybody here rips Clay Buchholz and treats him as a joke. Yet IPK????? If IPK was starting for Sacramento tonight and you guys watched him pitch you wouldnt think anything of him. But since he is a 1st-round pick of the Yankees, criticizing him is off-limits and doing so means your an idiot.

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi says:

                  It seems like you’re feeling a bit picked on and I don’t mean for this comment to add to that… But your response to tommiesmithjohncarlos didn’t respond to his comment. He’s not attacking you for not liking IPK, but for what he perceives as the different standard you hold IPK to compared to how you seem to perceive Gardner. Nobody said criticizing IPK is off-limits.

    • Old Ranger says:

      John Flaherty must have been reading this blog. A week or so back, I said “Brett is learning to use the lower body to hit with a bit more drive.” Almost those words, can’t remember exactly, anyhow Brett drives one to the wall and he says the same thing.
      I know a lot of you think Brett won’t make it (and I think to much of him), most everyone wants to give other people time…well, what about him? He may turn out to be only a 4th OF, but then again…maybe more. If (as I said yesterday) he can hit around .270-.280 (or more) he could play CF next year, or until A-Jax gets there.

  46. Mike A. says:

    Odalis Perez … really?

  47. E-ROC says:

    You know, Uribe sucks balls.

  48. Mike A. says:

    Oof, and Fernando Tatis separated his shoulder diving for a ball. Nothing is going right for the Mets.

  49. Ivan says:

    So far Roberton looking good.

  50. Mike A. says:

    UGE win for Tampa. Wow.

  51. Ivan says:

    Where’s a Masterson Fail pic?

  52. Jamal G. says:

    I fucking love Ryan Howard.

  53. Mike A. says:

    My lasting memory of Bobby Jenks was him striking out Jeff Bagwell on three pitches in the ’05 WS. 98, 99, 100, sit down.

  54. Andy in Sunny Daytona says: has a funny little feature about Jose Reyes’ “girlfriend”. Pretty funny. I’m sure his wife will be thrilled. If this was Arod, it would be all over ESPN.

  55. Mike A. says:

    Mark Melancon’s in the AAA game if anyone cares. ESPN 2 or here:


  56. Ivan says:

    Im pretty excited to see Hughes tomorrow night.

  57. Jamal G. says:

    Come on Brett Myers, not fucking this up would be all sorts of awesome.

  58. Ivan says:

    Finally Lidge.

  59. E-ROC says:

    Lidge finally gets his man.

    Can’t blame Willie for this, Mets?

  60. Steve says:

    Mets half a game out of 1st, but tied with MIL for the WC.

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