Pudge might get Type A status

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We’ve got a ton of afternoon content in the pipeline, but I wanted to take this opportunity to discuss Ivan Rodriguez’s free agent status. I was thought that he’d get the Type B label, and that the Yanks wouldn’t go through the pain of offering him arbitration, only to have him accept and saddle them with a hefty contract for a declining player. Eddie at Detroit Tiger Thoughts whipped up his reverse-engineered Elias Rankings, and it appears Pudge could be a Type A. This complicates matters.

You can head over there to find out the entire reasoning, though as Mike said after reading it, “my head hurts.” Eddie puts the probability of Pudge garnering Type A status at 80 to 90 percent. If that’s the case, is he worth the risk?

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  • Mike Pop

    Yes he is he wants more than a 1 year deal which he could get from other teams, maybe even the Mets

  • steve (different one)

    if Pudge becomes a Type A and yields 2 picks while Farnsworth is not even a Type B, this will be a trade even the most intelligent fan can support.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Even Hitman?

      • UWS

        I wouldn’t go that far.

        Besides, he said “intelligent”… :-)

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

          No, you’re missing the inside joke.

          Hitman defended some fairly inane post of his, which Ben (I think?) questioned by claiming that the reason Ben didn’t agree with what he was saying is because “his posts are more or less for the intelligent fans.”

          Hitman = intelligent
          All the rest of us = slackjawed troglodytes

          • UWS

            Ohhh. I missed that one. Thanks for setting me straight.

          • Slugger27

            i believe hitman’s original quote was to joe P… it was regarding CC sabathia/burnett… and indeed hitman saying “of course u dont agree, my post was for more or less the intelligent fans” was freaking hilarious

            hitman’s daily questionable posts combined with joe P’s constant intelligent ones made that quote the butt of inside jokes for months to come

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

              Thanks. Couldn’t remember which RAB bigwig it was.

              The Hitman “I post for the intelligent fans” is my current second favorite RAB inside joke, behind Lanny’s “You can’t make Lemonade with Lemons” line…

      • Slugger27

        lanny?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    I think you risk it and offer him arbitration. What the worst thing that could happen? He accepts, and then they eat a bunch of his salary and trade him for a B-/C+ prospect.

    Be bold, roll the dice.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      From everything that’s ever been said about Pudge, there was no way that he doesn’t decline arbitration and hit the market, whether he’s a Type B or Type A.

      He’s still a catcher, somebody would have offered him a multiyear contract. If anything, Pudge becoming Type A actually increases the likelihood that he accepts arbitration, if teams let his agent know they’re not willing to lose a pick to sign him.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

        Sorry, I looked back at that and it sounded kinda convoluted.

        What I mean to say is, Type A or Type B, offer the arb anyway. I highly doubt he accepts. Pudge is interested in getting a multi-year contract, and he probably will.

    • Reggie C.

      Awww hell yea!! Yanks gotta offer Pudge arbitration. He’s definitely going to get a 2 year deal somewhere at equal money, so at this point i gotta think that he just wants playing time. Pudge was hitting pretty well as a Tiger, so there’s still some life in his bat.

    • Leo

      Agreed. Unlike, say, Jason Varitek he is a tradable commodity and that gives the team some options. I think the Yankees front office is smart enough to offer him arbitration.

      In any case, I bet Pudge will be looking for that last multi year contract (2 with an option for 3, etc) so I would actually be kind of surprised if he accepted arb.

    • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

      I agree. If we are really trying to thicken up the farm system with top prospects to use as trade chips or to use on our team we need more picks. This years draft seems to have been botched. The Red Sox and Rays dont botch drafts.

      Most money will only get us so far. And I dont know how many more top pitchers are left in Japan. Like that super great one we got named Igawa. That guy has got the best series of change ups I have ever seen. He is very deceptive, his fast ball and change up appear to be the same speed.

  • Patrick T

    Whether he’s A or B I think you have to offer arb. I don’t think Pudge has any interest in staying, his time here was no better for him than it was for the Yanks. Worst case scenario is Mike’s, they have to eat some money and get another future bullpen arm for him. In any situation, it was better than Farnsworth.

  • Slugger27

    maybe im naive, but i think its a no brainer to offer it. i dont see much risk. if i were pudge, would i voluntarily take a 1 year deal where i know i wont play and possibly ((if not probably)) wont even be the first option as a backup? hell no. id rather sign a 2 year deal or 1 with option on a team where ill start 100 games.

    not to mention, he heard the boo-birds constantly, and not even the strongest willed can enjoy that, especially in an environment theyre not familiar or comfortable with

    i dont think theres any chance he accepts, and even if he does, i still dont see it as that big of a deal

  • Manimal

    Who said Jorge would be 100% next year. Hell yes offer him arbitration, if he accepts either trade him or if Jorge shows he isn’t ready to play at the beginning of the season make him catch.

    • Chris

      Didn’t Jorge and his doctor’s say he’d be 100%?

      Even if he’s not 100%, it’s certainly safe to assume he’ll be better than he was this year while injured, and this year he was better than Pudge.

      • JD

        I would take anything Jorge said this year with a grain of salt because I felt like since he wasn’t playing, he decided to be a little too vocal with the media on subjects he shouldn’t be talking about.

        My opinion is just keep quite and play, but since he couldn’t…Just keep quite and get ready for next year!

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    I’d think the Yankees would be wise to offer Ivan Rodriguez arbitration. When you take a look, I-Rod is the best free agent backstop on the off-season market. The only two viable free agent backstops who would be considered starters on their next squad are Rod Barajas and Jason Vairtek.

    Statistically speaking, I-Rod has them both beat. He lead Barajas and Varitek in OPS, VORP and EqA. He is second amongst the threesome in Caught Stealing Percentage (I-Rod threw out runners 32% of the time, Barajas 34% of the time, and the All-Star threw out runners 22% of the time. FAIL.)

    The only thing going against I-Rod is that 2009 will be his age-37 season (same with the All-Star). Rod Barajas will be playing in his age-33 season in 2009. Also, Barajas wont cost his new team a potential first-round pick.

    All things considered, I think it’s worth the risk to offer Ivan “Pudge” Rodriguez arbitration. Maybe the Yankees can beat it into Pudge’s head that he wont be getting any playing time ahead of Jorge Posada or Jose Molina in 2009, thus forcing Pudge’s hand to decline the arbitration offer, and seek greener pastures (in terms of playing time) elsewhere. The man has his pride, he was reportedly upset that he was being platooned with Brandon Inge in Detroit. Hopefully he’s prideful enough to see that he has no job in the Bronx, thus making him look for a job elsewhere.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Yes, but is he a All-Star Catcher® like Jason Varitek? I think not.

  • CLT_JR

    Yanks have to offer him arbitration. What if Jorge is not ready and does not bounce back from surgery that well. The Yanks need him as insurance for Jorge!!

  • http://www.freewebs.com/ps3tf2/ Double-J

    Even if he accepts, he’s cheap insurance in the event Posada isn’t ready to go on all cylinders from the get-go in 2009.

  • Alvaro

    I see that the general consent is to offer him arbitration and I agree, the worst thing that could happened is that he accepts and you have two possibilities, trade him or if Jorge is not 100% , Pudge can catch on a regular basis and use Molina as his back up and send Jorge to 1B where his elbow wouldn’t be so much of a factor. I know Jorge wants to catch next season, but with every report saying that the Yanks won’t have enough money for Tex after signing to pitchers and probably Giambi signing elsewhere with the Yanks declining his option, Jorge it’s not a bad option for 1B. He has played there before and he was a 3B in the minors before being moved to catching.

    • Ed

      Jorge’s shoulder was the problem, not his elbow. And he played 2B before he caught, not 3B.

      The problem with your approach is the team played better this year with Molina catching than with Pudge. Making Pudge a regular next year is something you do only if you have no other choice.

      • Old Ranger

        Cervelli is the answer, tools of Molina with a better bat…not a HR hitter. We don’t need Pudge, offer and let him refuse. 27/09.

  • radnom

    Why would he accept a 1 year deal to backup Posada? He is no spring chicken, he doesn’t want to waste one of his last years where he could start by riding the bench here.

    I would offer it even if he is type B.

  • Chris

    Of course, there is a chance that he will sign with a team before the Yankees need to offer arbitration. It may not be likely, but if this happens, it would take all of the risk out of offering him arbitration.

  • UWS

    Don’t Jorge and Pudge pretty much hate each other? I highly doubt that Pudge would accept arb knowing that Jorge isn’t going anywhere. Offer him arbitration, then watch him sign elsewhere, I say!

    • JeffG

      Jorge said he and Pudge were good friends in his interview with Kay.

      No bother either way, as mentioned above, by so many, it doesn’t make sense for Pudge to accept and so it makes no sense for the Yanks to decline.

      A – would be nice it makes our FA signings a little easier to bear.

  • Alex

    Pudge is a Scott Boras client. Chance of Scott Boras client accepting arbitration:
    1/10000000000000000000000000000000000

  • mike

    Only issue I have with picking up Pudge’s option is that again there will be 3 catchers on the roster – which between the Damon/ Melky/ Gardner/ Matsui/ Nady/ Abreu decisions will really hamstring the manager with potentially sacrificing a Gardner-type (pinch-runner etc.)

    If Posada is at 80%, the Yanks could again have a Moeller-type at AAA for emergencies with Molina doing the 1-2 per week gig for Moose without having Pudge taking up room on the bench.

    Honestly, there is no way he will accept a back-up spot – he was bitching in Detroit as it was, so I believe he will delcine arbitration – but whether he gets picked up is another story

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      Pudge doesn’t have an option. His contract has expired, he’s a free agent. The decision is only whether or not to offer him arbitration, and whether or not he’d accept.

      • mike

        misspoke – not Pudge’s option – rather “the Pudge option”

  • r.w.g.

    i don’t know if it’s a slam dunk that pudge is going to get a good offer from another team, especially if its going to cost them draft picks. he hasn’t been an impact player on either side of the ball for several seasons.

    i can see a bad team with protected picks making a play for him. if he accepts arbitration he could probably still be traded, but why create that problem over a player who is just not very effective anymore and will want a high salary. the arbitration process might just be his best bet to get a good salary on a one year deal for a good team and try and enter free agency again.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      “especially if its going to cost them draft picks.”

      A draft pick. As in singular, one, uno.

      • r.w.g.

        i guess i’m just skeptical of the market for pudge. maybe the mets could get interested.

        maybe it comes down to how much of a paycut pudge believes he needs to take and how much the market believes he should take.

      • JD

        isn’t

        Type A: 2 draft picks (the team that signs him pick and a supplemental pick)

        and Type B: 1 draft pick ???

        • Ed

          Yes, it is. However, the supplemental round picks are extra picks inserted into the draft. The signing team is only giving up one pick to sign a type A, none for a type B.

  • http://pinstripealley22.blogspot.com/

    What can Pudge go in 09?

    Marlins?
    As?

    …..

  • dave

    Too Big a risk to offer Arb. No team would give up their 1rst or 2nd (if in the top 15) pick to get a 37 yr old has been. We’d prolly end up with an unhappy, 10 mil backup catcher. The only way you offer arbitration is if there are real concerns about Jorge catching next year, then you can risk it. With the Yankees scaling back payroll to the 180 range, having 25 mil tied up in 3 catchers is crazy.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos

      A few Type A Free Agents who signed contracts with other clubs in the past few years, thus forcing the teams that signed them to surrender a first rounder:

      2007 Tom Glavine
      2006 Frank Catalanotto
      2006 Gary Matthews Jr.
      2006 Jason Schmidt
      2006 Julio Lugo
      2006 Moises Alou
      2005 Esteban Loaiza
      2005 Paul Byrd
      2005 Jeff Weaver
      2004 Jon Leiber
      2004 Armando Benitez

      Trust me, somebody will give him a couple of years, draft pick loss be damned. It’s alot easier for a casual fan to not notice that their team doesn’t have a first round pick (in a draft that’s barely televised) than it is to not notice that their incumbent catcher sucks balls when Pudge is a readily available alternative.

      He is a catcher, after all, and probably still one of the top 8 catchers in baseball. (And that’s not praising Pudge, that’s an indictment of the other catchers in baseball. Jason Varitek was an All-Star, after all.)

  • Bo

    I can see Pudge getting a multi yr deal in a down market for catchers.

    Who cares if he accepts? We do have a catcher that is 37 coming off major shoulder surgery. maybe they dont mind if he comes back for one yr.

    • http://inmymothersbasement.blogspot.com Tremont

      They need to offer him arb, because

      A) He won’t accept
      B) No biggie if he does.

      Wow I added nothing.

      • Steve H

        That’s about as simple an explanation there is and it makes plenty of sense.

  • http://www.blogtalkradio.com/baseballdigestdaily Eric SanInocencio

    No brainer. Must offer. Insurance and it’s unlikely he’ll accept. Where is the downside here?

  • SWB

    You have to remember that with both Pudge and Marte when you offer them arb. and they sign with another team you only have a 50% chance of getting a 1st round pick b/c the first 15 are protected so you would get a Supp pick and a 2nd. I would guess Pudge may sign with a contender (thus netting a 1st) but I could see the Tigers snatching up Marte and giving them a solid bullpen arm (weakening our playoff chances) and only netting us their 2nd pick + a Supp pick.

    • JD

      Marte is not a FA unless the Yankees decline his option which I see as unlikely.

  • Matt M.

    as of a result of offering tom gordon arbitration and him walking away to close, we got the picks that landed us IPK and the Jobamania.

    somebody will offer pudge a 2 year deal to start and pudge will take it.
    now marte is the one to keep, i know its trendy to slot coke as our long lost lefty…but IPK had a dazzling september as well and we know that bumps are along the way.

    so i think we should retain marte and let our draft pick shopping spree begin with those garnered from abreu and pudge

  • A.D.

    You def offer arb, I doubt Pudge will be that hard-up to find a good contract that he’ll take arb and stay with a team that really doesn’t have a place with him or necessarily want him. Especially with teams out there that could use catching.

  • THIS IS THE DAVID

    Considering we have two first round pick even without Mussina Pettite Marte Abrue or Pudge walking

    like i said before if pudge mussina and pettite go somewhere else

    Abreu can stick around for a year

    and we will have mad draft picks take that Buster!

    Lets make it RAIN on draft day!

    Now IF we net all these picks you think it ups our chances to trade some youth?
    ( Cano, Romine, Montero, Jackson, Melancon)???

    • Glen L

      Pettitte and Moose aren’t going to go elsewhere though, they’ll retire if they don’t play for the yanks … retirement = no picks

      plus we’ll lose picks after signing FAs

      • kgSturnz0r17

        They’ll still decline arbitration, and after that, you never know.

        AP has his ties with the stros and moose could end it where is all started or play for the >=NL Champs where he would still has the chance to get that elusive ring (prolly a better chance than the AL bEast)

        on Damaso, pick his up; could/should be TypeA next yr

        Side note: it is going to be fun watching varitek going from TypeA to N/A. Boston wouldn’t let their captain go, would they? yeah they would

    • http://inmymothersbasement.blogspot.com Tremont

      You are forgetting that we will also sign at least one Type A free agent.

  • blee

    But you’re also forgetting that offering arb will guarantee him over 10 mil.. you think he can get there anywhere else?.. Who would sign him? list the teams..
    It would have to be a contender.. Phillies?.. Dbacks? Indians?