Nov
18

You must be this tall to win the MVP

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Yup. Dustin Pedroia is your AL MVP. As much as we don’t like him, Pedroia is a pretty good choice for the award. He had a truly outstanding offensive season at a position not known for its offense. And he’s short and gritty too.

But what is shocking are the other MVP votes. Someone with an MVP vote believed Jason Bartlett (.286/.329/.361 in 494 PAs) to be the fifth most valuable player in the league; someone else ranked Raul Ibañez tenth; one person awarded his first place vote to Francisco Rodriguez who wasn’t even one of the top relievers. Somehow, Justin Morneau finished second. It’s been a bad year for awards voting that makes sense.

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118 Comments»

  1. RJ - CT says:

    The voters didn’t want to make Morneau a 2-time winner, so it all comes down to them ripping Jeter off 2 years ago, becauase Morneau should have won. It’s a joke that Pedroia is the MVP, he wasn’t even the best player on his team.

    Youkilis gets on base more than Pedroia (.386 to .374), he has a better slugging percentage (.558 to .491), he has more home runs (26 to 17) and RBIs (109 to 80), he has a better OPS+ (142 to 123, where 100 is average for the league), he wipes out his teammate with runners in scoring position (.368 to .304 batting average, 1.060 OPS to .825) and RISP with two outs (.317 to .231, .929 OPS to .714)

  2. Brian says:

    H’ES TEH STEVE NAHS OF BASEBLAL!!!!1!!!
    BIG PAPI SI SHAQ!!1!1!!!

    STILL THINIK DAMIAN JACKSNO IS GOOD THO

    • UWS says:

      Oh boy. Hammered at 3pm on a weekday. Having a tough week, are we?

      • Brian says:

        WTF? SORYR CUSSED

        YOU THINK CORA”S BEETTER UNIVERRRSITY WASHINGOTN SEATLE JAGOFFFFFFFFFFF?

        having fun. that’s fun. yes, i am bored. please god no AJ for 80 mil; I’m trying to mute that out.

  3. UWS says:

    Excellent use of “Child labor” tag, Ben.

  4. Chris R. says:

    Why does everyone love Morneau. His stats are inflated in baggie dome. He’s good and i wish the Yanks had him @ first, but he never plays like an MVP

    • A.D. says:

      Except that the Metrodome ranked as a pitchers park in 2008, it was 28th in runs, just above Chavez Ravine…. therefore it wouldn’t help Morneau.

      Meanwhile Fenway was 5th, making it a hitters park

  5. pat says:

    whatever arod will win next year

  6. When Selig told Pedroia he’d won the award, Pedroia responded that he didn’t care about individual accomplishments, only the team mattered. Selig then asked Pedroia to make an appearance at a press conference on MLB.tv to have the award presented to him, which Pedroia reluctantly agreed to, provided that he can wear his dirty uniform to.

    Dustin Pedroia never dusts off his uniform.

  7. Mike A. says:

    I can’t wait for Peter Gammons’ 5,000 word suck-off fest followed by three bullet points explaining why CC Sabathia will never be a Yankee.

  8. Axl says:

    So do the Red Sox fire Terry Francona then? You have the most valuable player in the league…the guy who finished 3rd for most valuable player in the league…and an “ALL STAR” Catcher at the helm…and you fail to win the World Series….

    Does Terry Francona get fired?!?!?

    If you look at Jeter’s numbers in 1999 and 2006, they absolutely demolish Pedroia’s in every way possible. And in 1999, his best year ever….he finished like 6th.

    Pedroia wasn’t even the MVP of his own team…but Youkillis is fatter and uglier and more boring so he loses out to the flashier smaller guy on the most trendy team in baseball.

    At the end of the day…Who’s going to sell more t-shirts?? Let’s vote for him I guess….

  9. Darren says:

    As much as I can’t stand Pedroia he’s a fantastic player. I’m not sure he’s the MVP though. I really think there should be two awards – the MVP award which goes to the player that is most valuable to his team – and the Player of the Year or something like that. Pedroia is definitely Player of the Year, those are great numbers he put up.

    But could Boston have made the playoffs without him? It’s likely. The Yankees record would, most likely, have been worse without Mo. MVPs shouldn’t always be the guys with the best stats but the players whose teams are a lot less competitive without them.

    • this makes no sense.

      the Sox would have been much less competitive without Pedroia. how can you suggest otherwise?

      • Darren says:

        That’s true but they still could have made the playoffs. They had a rpetty decent line up even without Ortiz and Manny in it. Someone already posted that he wasn’t even the Sox’s best player – Youkilis was.

        Basically what I was trying to say was that the choice shouldn’t be on stats alone but what the player means to the team. Boston can win without him and they can make the playoffs without him.

        Joe Mauer is much more valuable to a mediocre Twins team than Pedroia is to a good Red Sox team.

        • ok, so now you have just redefined the MVP to mean this:

          “best player on the team that made the playoffs by the slimmest margin”

          does that make sense? is that at all fair? for example:

          player A is worth 10 wins, but his team finishes 11 games ahead in the division.

          player B is worth 5 wins, but his team finishes 4 games ahead in the division.

          how can you argue that player B is more valuable than player A?

          if you switched Pedroia with Cano this year, the Yankees would probably have finished ahead of the Sox.

          • Darren says:

            I’m not redefining the MVP to a player on a playoff team. Pujols won the NL award and rightly so. He was the most valuable player to the Cards. It’s not about making the playoffs or by what margin a team makes the playoffs. It’s how valuable that player is to that team. Typically they come from teams in the playoffs.

            That’s why I first argued for two awards MVP and POY. Pedroia is the player of the year. His numbers prove it. As far as MVP goes it’s debatable.

            Would you agree that Youkilis was more valuable than Pedroia based on their numbers? If you do, then how can you argue that Pedroia is the MVP of the entire AL if he’s not the MVP of his team? If Boston can make the playoffs without Pedroia, how valuable is he really?

          • Chris C. says:

            The MVP definition is ridiculous to begin with. A players value is what it is, regardless of which team he plays for.

            A guy being a great player on a playoff team only illustrates that along with himself, he has valuable teammates.
            A guy being a great player on a non-playoff team illustrates that there isn’t too much value on that team outside of him.

            But his personal value is what his numbers and contributions say it is. A guy isn’t “more valuable” just because is pitching staff is stellar and leads them to the playoffs.

            Anyone who thinks the MVP should only come from a playoff team does not have a fucking brain.

        • Chris C. says:

          “Basically what I was trying to say was that the choice shouldn’t be on stats alone but what the player means to the team.”

          In that case, the MVP should go to the best player on the worst team, because what that player means to the team is just about EVERYTHING!

          “Joe Mauer is much more valuable to a mediocre Twins team than Pedroia is to a good Red Sox team.”

          I’m sure you have grids, graphs, and pie charts to back this up, but hey, I’ll just take your word for it.

          “Boston can win without him and they can make the playoffs without him.”

          Do YOU even believe the shit you’re typing?

  10. 27 this year says:

    On mlb.com, they called Pedroia Mr. November.

    Fuck them, Jeter is Mr. November.

    • Mike A. says:

      I saw that. Bullshit.

    • When you wrote that, I was all, “Fuck naw, there’s no way they really did that.” Then I looked it up…

      http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....8;c_id=mlb

      Pedroia named AL MVP
      Teammate Youkilis gets two first-place votes, finishes third
      By Ian Browne / MLB.com

      BOSTON — Just call him Mr. November. Or better yet, refer to Dustin Pedroia as the Most Valuable Player of the American League…

      ——————————————————-

      OH MY GODDING GOD GOD. IAN BROWNE, YOU STUPID LITTLE FUCKING JERKOFF. I WILL LITERALLY SLAP YOU IN THE FACE IF I EVER SEE YOU IN PERSON.

      You know, I was actually okay with Pedroia winning it, because, all things considered, I though he had a great year and nobody else was more deserving. But now, after seeing the existence of that article, FUCK THAT, I would have been more okay with shitty-ass K_Rod winning the MVP if it keeps ass-tards like Ian Browne from giving a title like “Mr. November” to a person who:

      A) has never played a game, nor hit a homerun, in November;
      B) Isn’t the actual person who already has played in said game and hit said homerun in November, thus coining the fucking phrase “Mr. November” in the first place.

      What’s next? We all start calling Big Papi “The Sultan of Swat”? Jacoby Ellsbury is “The Red Sox Clipper”? Diasuke Matsuzaka is “Louisiana Lightning”?

      FUCK YOU IAN BROWNE. I HOPE YOU GET GONORRHEA OF THE CANCER OF THE AIDS AND DIE.

      P.S. Bonus points for further exposing your Sox Bias for mentioning in the sub-headline Kevin Youkilis, who came in THIRD, and not Morneau for coming in SECOND. You assclown.

  11. Of course he’s the MVP… look at that intensity!!!

    http://i130.photobucket.com/al.....edrioa.png

    Could Robinson Cano pull that off? No, he couldn’t. Because he’s a lazy, shiftless Mexican or something. He does not play the game the right way. Dustin Pedroia does.

  12. Marty Puccio says:

    Pedroia is so lame. Anybody notice that dumb facial tic he has? He constantly opens his mouth up wide. I’m guessing its from all the cocks that frequent that orifice.

  13. Mike Pop says:

    He just hit a home run in that pic… WHAMMY !!!

    • Pedroia: The bottom line is you’ve been spending a lot of time with this agent, Manny… You’re a member of the Boston Red Sox Baseball Team!
      ManRam: That’s a given.
      Pedroia: We need you… Hell, I need you… I’m a mess without you… I miss you so damn much… I miss being with you, I miss being near you… I miss your laugh… I miss your scent; I miss your musk. WHEN ALL THIS GETS SORTED OUT, I TIHNK YOU AND ME SHOULD GET AN APARTMENT TOGETHER!

  14. Tom says:

    How the hell was pedroia Mr. November? Baseball wasn’t played in November this year and hasn’t ever except 2001. Jeter actually has a legit reason to be mr. november and captain october

  15. Rich M. says:

    If you take widdle Dusty out of widdle Fenway you get Adam Kennedy or the original gritty player David Eckstien.

  16. Tom says:

    Why was K-rod so high on that list?

    Mike Mussina even deserves to be in front of him

  17. Tom says:

    yeah put Dustin Pedroia in Comerica or any NL West stadium, see what happens

  18. Mike Pop says:

    If Twins make playoffs does Mauer or Morneua win it ?

  19. Tom says:

    If Santana was on the Yankees, does he win it?

  20. Tom says:

    Does K-rod even deserve to be on the ballot?

  21. Rich says:

    What’s the matter? I think I actually saw one or two messages here without a “fuck” or a”shit” or someone else wanting to die from Aids.

    That’s a real classy clientele here. There must be a lot of insecurity.

    • I normally do try to stay classy. But Ian Browne is a fuckhole for writing that, and you know it.

      I’m sure Sox fans would just love hearing some Yankee beat writer refer to Robinson Cano “The Splendid Splinter.” Root for your team, fine. But show proper respect for your opponents.

      • Whitey14 says:

        I agree with you Tommy, there was no need to break out the Mr. November monicker. Jeter earned that and you’re absolutely right that Red Sox fans wouldn’t appreciate it if one of our beloved nicknames was suddenly assigned to a Yankee who hadn’t earned it.

    • UWS says:

      Hmmm…a(n apparent) Red Sox fan trolling a Yankee board discussing whether Dustin Pedroia is a viable MVP. That’s not insecure at all. Nope, no siree.

      • Rich says:

        I’ve been a Yankee fan for > 40 years. Trolling a board? Nope, I come here daily. I just made the mistake of reading a thread here with greater than 50 comments. It doesn’t take many more than that for the vitriol to come out.

  22. Zack says:

    This year will undoubtedly go down as one of the weakest MVP seasons in MLB recent history. Not only are Pedroia’s #s relatively paltry in comparison to almost any other MVP, but his level of competition was equally craptastic.

    In ten years, people are going to look at this crop of MVp votes and say, “really, that’s the best the 2008 AL had to offer?”

    At least New England can pretend that this really means something to make them sleep better at night, what with the Sox losing game 7, Tom Brady being gone, and the Bruins being the bruins. Between Pedroia and the Celtics, every little Sully can stay warm in those cold winter nights through sheer grit and grind…

    • Joe Fitz says:

      Someones Boston hatred is clearly effecting how they deal with things.

      The guy had a great yr. Give respect and move on. The guy was a monster at the plate and absolutely carried a good team for whole stretches this yr with Manny gone and Ortiz hurt.

      • Zack says:

        “A monster at the plate?” Really. Hmm, define “monster” for me. Are you measuring that in OPS, OPS+, HR, Avg, RBI, R, or what?

        Because in not a single one of those categories did Dustin put up anything resembling “monster.”

        He “absolutely carried” the Sox huh? Again, please define that. By that do you mean that he alone was responsible for the Sox winning games for long stretches? Because, of course, that simply isn’t true. Do you mean he went on really really hot streaks? Well, perhaps.

        But no, I have no hatred for the Red Sox or Boston.

        What I said is a fact and there is no way shape or form that you can deny it. Pedroia’s #’s will go down as some of the worst for a MVP, and no amount of dirt doggedness, scrapitude, or clutchiness can change that

  23. Bryan says:

    I was looking at the draft that year on baseball-reference.com and we could have picked pedroia, instead we pick Brett Smith! What happened to him anyway?

    • Joe Fitz says:

      You can make your head hurt thinking about who we could have picked the last 6 years.

      Our drafts have been embarrassing.

      • You can make your head hurt thinking about who we could have picked the last 6 years.

        So can the other 29 MLB teams.

        Our drafts have been embarrassing.

        Not any more so than the other 29 MLB teams. In fact, lately they’ve been pretty good.

        • Lanny says:

          Our drafts have been pretty good?

          Really?

          Besides Joba who’s been good the past 5 years?

          You going to give me a Double A OF who has tools? Ok. I’ll give you Jackson even though he is raw. Hughes? Still got hope and hes young. Ok. Who else?

          Last years draft was a flat out disaster. And thats assuming Bleich will be decent.

  24. JDS says:

    Ben, you’ve got to stop it with griping about beat writers and their gaffes. I’ve noticed three posts in the last week or so where you’ve taken the chance to take swipes at professional sports writers for their errors, or for what you take to be poor judgement.

    Seriously, it detracts from the value of your blog, which I enjoy a great deal. Enough with the ad hominem. Let’s just talk baseball.

    • Ben K. says:

      Wait a sec. Part of our whole thing around here is that professional beat writers aren’t anything special. Why should we give these people passes for voting for Jason Bartlett as the fifth most valuable player in the American League?

      An ad hominem attack would consist of my attacking someone baselessly. We have a perfectly good gripe here.

    • Joseph P. says:

      Totally not ad hominem.

      Ad hominem would be: “Fredor Hayek beat his wife, so we should discount his thoughts on the Austrian school of economics.”

      We’re talking about these writers in the context of their profession. What’s wrong about that?

      • Lanny says:

        Why shouldn’t they or anyone comment on when and where the “pros” screw up?

        Isn’t that one of the perks of a blog?

        I’m glad they and others point out what writers screwed up. This is why the old school writers hate blogs and new media. They actually have to defend their points and actually work.

  25. Thirty5Thirty6 says:

    Gammons says Youkilis was more worthy then Morneau.

    And ESPN’s Next Level stat to day was OPS with RISP.

    Are you kidding me?

  26. B.George says:

    I wonder if Peter Gammons masterbated when he found out a red sox won an mvp

  27. Lanny says:

    The Gammons hatred is over the top. The guy is one of the best in the business at what he does. And he loves some Yankees just as much as he loves some Sox. You ever hear him utter a bad word about any of the Yankee core from 94-2008?

    • Ben K. says:

      Are you serious? I respect Peter Gammons as a Hall of Fame journalist, but he would be among the first to admit that he himself is a huge Red Sox fan. Gimme a break.

      • Whitey14 says:

        Yep and Red Sox fans worth their salt will admit the same thing. He’s a homer, no doubt. He does says lots of good things about the Yankees, but that’s probably because he’s an honest person. I’m sometimes forced to say good things about the Yankees even though I don’t really want to. I try to give credit where credit is due.

  28. DonnieBaseballHallofFame says:

    This year was a very weak MVP class in both leagues. With that said I am a fan of Pedroia. I wish our more talented 2nd baseman could take some cues from his style of play, his attitude and his gumption.

    • steve (different one) says:

      well, in the AL it was.

      what we saw in the NL was one of the greatest offensive seasons of the last 20 years, non-steroids division.

  29. TomG says:

    Alex Rodriguez places eighth? I’m not saying he should of won the damn thing, but his numbers clearly place him closer to the top than some of his collegues.
    These awards are a crock of shit.

  30. Pickett says:

    This is why I don’t follow this brainless nonsense like MVP awards, and Cy Young, and these inane popularity contests that cheapen baseball and degrade the product by destroying credibility. Dustin Pedroia? Are you kidding me? And Derek Jeter a couple of years ago with the type of season he had does not get the award? Review the numbers as well as the clutch performances Jeter gave all year, that year and compare them to Pedroia’s. All that tells me is that the baseball writers have their heads up their volcanoes. They lost me and my revenue. I do not go to baseball games anymore.

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