Open Thread: Yanks interested in Perez?

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The Yanks are pretty desperate for pitching, it’s no secret, but just how desperate are they? Apparently desperate enough to offer a contract to Perez. Oh, and not Oliver Perez. Odalis Perez.

Urge to kill, rising.

On the surface, it’s one of those “what the hell are they thinking” moves. He was barely average in the NL last year, posting a 101 OPS+ (which is actually better than Oliver’s 100) after starting Opening Day for the Nats. He’s allowed nearly three baserunners for every two innings pitched in his career, and last year was the first time he eclipsed the 140 IP mark in four years. It’s just not something you like to hear.

But chillax people. If the Yanks did make an offer (the original article is in espanol, so something may have been lost in translation), it’s not to front the rotation. They’re not going to pass on CC Sabathia or Ben Sheets or AJ Burnett or Derek Lowe if Perez agrees to a deal. If anything, they’re just exploring all options and casting a wide net. Hey, he’s better than Ponson, right?

Sit back, relax, and enjoy the football game tonight. Don’t worry about Odalis Perez. The Hot Stove is chock full o’ rumors that never come to fruition, and until we see some more definitive reports, don’t concern yourself with this one. If you want something to worry about, worry about how embarrassing it’ll be for tommiesmithjohncarlos if Ryan Grant picks up the 40 measly yards I need to beat him in fantasy this week even though Brandon Jacobs didn’t play yesterday.

Here’s your open thread for the night. Talk Pack-Saints, Haht Stove, stuffing recipes, whatever you like. Just keep it civilized.

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  • E-ROC

    Odalis Perez will probably re-up with the Nationals. His splits are obvious as he did really well at home and terrible on the road.

    I wonder if the Yanks would help facilitate the Peavy trade between Padres and Cubs.

    Too bad Reggie Bush isn’t playing tonight on MNF. That sucks. Although, if the Packers lose, there will be hell to pay back in Wisconsin since Favre is having success in New York.

    • Ivan

      Well I don’t know. It’s not like Aaron Rodgers has been awful. Rodgers has been pretty solid or even every good this season.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        Yeah, I don’t think any of the Packers problems are related to the QB. I think you put Favre back on that team, they’re probably still 5-5 coming into this game. He’s not going to stop the Cowboys, Buccaneers, Falcons, Titans, or Vikings from scoring 131 points in those five losses.

        The Pack are giving up 147.4 ypg on the ground defensively. That’s fifth worst in the league. Kampman and Hawk are probably the only “impact” players in that front seven (with Barnett hurt).

      • E-ROC

        Yeah, Rodgers has been managing the game well this season, not turning the ball over, etc. But uh, Packers may not make the playoffs while Favre is looking at a first round bye. Apples and oranges, but Favre was run outta town. That taste is still fresh in the minds of Packer fans abroad.

        • A.D.

          I am a packers fan, and I have no problem with it… Favre dicked the Packers more than they dicked him. Better the Jets do, the better to compensation for Favre come draft time

      • A.D.

        Exactly Aaron has given them everything they could hope for and more, showing that he can be an elite QB… and having essentially the same QB rating as Favre

        Issue for the pack is injuries that have hurt their ability to stop the run defensively… something Rodgers doesn’t have much effect over.

    • DonnieBaseballHallofFame

      “I wonder if the Yanks would help facilitate the Peavy trade between Padres and Cubs. ”

      Can you expand your thoughts on that idea? Would like to hear that.

      As far as the Yanks offering Perez a contract. I think it must have been to be Igawa’s roommate or bat boy or something because even as it stands I do not see him as a #5 in the AL East. I am all for casting a wide net and talking to everybody and anybody but Perez I think is best suited as a long man if headed back to the AL.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

    If you want something to worry about, worry about how embarrassing it’ll be for tommiesmithjohncarlos if Ryan Grant picks up the 40 measly yards I need to beat him in fantasy this week even though Brandon Jacobs didn’t play yesterday.

    I’m going to bitchslap Donovan McNabb and Andy Reid for being such bitches.

    How far has Chunky Soup Boy fallen? I’m probably going to bench him for Joe Flacco for the rest of the fantasy season, and I don’t even feel hesitant to do or say that. I hope Donovan enjoys going 9-7 for the Bears next year.

    • Ivan

      Hey McNabb is my boy. I think he’s gonna have a big game against the Cardinals this thursday.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      Over the past 4 weeks, Donovan is the 14th best fantasy QB in our league. Here’s the top 15:

      1.) Matt Cassel – 93.92
      2.) Tyler Thigpen – 86.60
      3.) Peyton Manning – 78.86
      4.) Kurt Warner – 76.14
      5.) Jay Cutler – 64.86
      6.) Joe Flacco – 64.20
      7.) Kerry Collins – 60.18
      8.) Trent Edwards – 59.60
      9.) Chad Pennington – 57.20
      10.) Eli Manning – 54.94
      11.) Shaun Hill – 53.02
      12.) Matt Ryan – 52.98
      13.) Brett Favre – 49.80
      14.) Donovan McNabb – 48.64
      15.) David Garrard – 46.76

      That’s right, MATT CASSEL AND TYLER THIGPEN. You heard it here first.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Chad Pennington FTW.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          You know what sucks? I had Tyler Thigpen on my team TWICE this season. Now my backup is Vince Young, who was supposed to be my starter.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            Wait, you STILL have Vince Young on your team? What the hell for?

            STEVE Young will earn more fantasy points going forward than Vince Young.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              Because there is literally nothing but crap available in the free agent QB pool.

              The QBs with the five most fantasy points available in free agency are (non-IR guys):

              1. Rex Grossman, 26.68
              2. Byron Leftwich, 16.82
              3. Brad Johnson, 14.98
              4. Charlie Frye, 10.32
              5. Quinn Gray, 9.74

              I believe the term is “shitty.” I’ll take my chances with Collins getting hurt.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                Fair enough.

  • steve (different one)

    color me skeptical.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Blair Betts baby. Fourth line checking centers aren’t supposed to have hands like that.

  • A.D.

    Odalis Perez interest makes no sense… Would someone actually prefer to see Perez start over Hughes, IPK & Aceves?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      What’s that they always say? You can never have too much pitching?

    • RollingWave

      no, but he is at least mildly more usable than Sidney Ponson.

  • Nate

    Is there anyone else out there who thinks that this is a ploy to get other teams interested or jack up the price for Perez?

    • http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/burressDM0402_468x305.jpg Nady Nation

      Definitely. Once Perez signs, then I think the market will be set for the other big FA pitchers, like Sidney Ponson.

  • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    Por otro lado, informes recibidos desde el cuartel del lanzador dominicano Odalis Pérez indican que el zurdo ha recibido varias ofertas (incluyendo de parte de Yankees de Nueva York y Medias Blancas de Chicago), pero su meta es quedarse con los Nacionales de Washington./

    • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      Whoops, for got to translate:

      In other news, information received from the headquarters of Dominican pitcher Odaliz Perez indicate that the lefty has received various offers (including those from the part of the New York Yankes and the Chicago White Sox), but his goal is to stay with the Washington Nationals.

      In other words, yes, there was an offer, but he ain’t goin’ anywhere.

  • Ivan

    I was wondering, who’s the NFL MVP this season?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Leon Washington, duh.

      In all seriousness, I’m not sure. Warner, Collins, Jacobs, Haynesworth … there’s lots of deserving guys.

      • Ivan

        Who woulda thought that Collins would win a MVP.

        • http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/burressDM0402_468x305.jpg Nady Nation

          I can’t believe Kerry Collins is even in the discussion for MVP. The Titans are a nice story, and he’s done a good job managing their offense, but he has 8 TD ALL SEASON.

          • http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/burressDM0402_468x305.jpg Nady Nation

            *9 TD, my bad. Still short of double digit tuddies, though, and we are 11 weeks in.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              But can you fault him for just giving the ball for Chris Johnson to get the bulk yardage, then letting White pump it in?

              • http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/burressDM0402_468x305.jpg Nady Nation

                Definitely not. Collins is having a good year, but an MVP year? I just don’t see it.

    • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      Favre–he’s led the 4-12 Jets to being the best in the AFC. It’s Peyton Manning though if he manages to finish the Colts’ miracle comeback

      • Ivan

        Manning is just sick. Sometimes I think he’s a tad underrated considering how he’s really the hear and brain of that colt offense and heck he’s even one of the unofficial head coaches of that team

      • http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/burressDM0402_468x305.jpg Nady Nation

        Favre has been good, no doubt, but I don’t even think he’s the MVP of his own team. Kris Jenkins is the Jets entire defense. He is a complete beast. My vote is for Peyton, with Jeff Feagles a close second.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Jenkins is a monster. He annihilated Mawae last weekend.

    • E-ROC

      Kurt Warner or Brett Favre…………………or Matt Cassell

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Don’t fall for Cassell, he’s just having a good contract year like AJ Burnett.

        • Steve H

          Can you imagine that. The guy would have probably been a decently paid backup again next year, and one hit is going to put $50 million in his pocket. He’d never admit it, but Brady’s injury was a blessing for Cassel. Think Pete Carroll would have another title if he chose Cassel over Leinart?

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            I dunno, Vince Young won that game all by himself. Not sure there’s much Cassell could have done to prevent that.

            • Steve H

              Probably should have lined up on D. Couldn’t have done any worse than his teammates did.

  • steve (different one)

    there were also reports out of the Dominican today that the A’s offered Furcal a contract, which were not true, and that that Renteria signed with the Giants, which may or may not be true.

    i am not even the least bit concerned that the Yankees offered a contract to Odalis Perez.

  • Ivan

    While it would be crazy for an all NY Superbowl, one of them is gettin picked off.

    Between the Jets or Jinx, who has a better chance of being picked off in the playoffs?

    • Steve H

      Jets, no question. Favre is the epitome of being “picked off in the playoffs”

      • http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/burressDM0402_468x305.jpg Nady Nation

        Agreed. Plus, between the Colts, Steelers, Titans, and even Pats, the competition is much stiffer in the AFC. I think the Cowboys are the only team who can come into the Meadowlands and knock off the G-Men come January.

    • Thomas

      Jets are more likely to lose. Worse team, probably won’t get home field throughout, and Favre usually blows it with a pick.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Jets are definitely more likely to lose in the playoffs than the Giants. Is it safe to say the Jets are one of the three best teams in the AFC though? Titans, Steelers … then Jets, no?

      • Ivan

        Jets are not better than the Colts

        • http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/burressDM0402_468x305.jpg Nady Nation

          I think they’re definitely a better all-around team than the Colts. The Colts’ D is suspect, to say the least. Peyton is basically their entire team, and as awesome as he is, he’s still only one player.

          • Ivan

            I still think the Colts O is better especially at QB and WR’s.

            Colts D has it’s weaknesses but it’s still solid.

            I think you can make an arguement for both teams.

      • http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/burressDM0402_468x305.jpg Nady Nation

        Definitely safe to say that. With the Jets remaining schedule, they should have a first round bye.

  • http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/burressDM0402_468x305.jpg Nady Nation

    Lebron recruitment begins tomorrow night, and I’m pretty psyched to be going. First time I’ve actually been excited to go to a Knick game probably since Patrick Ewing’s return with the Sonics.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      What do you think, LeBron and Amare? LeBron and Wade? Other?

      I know little about basketball but it seems like having a dominant big man is a major advantage, so in my uneducated opinion I’d go LeBron + Amare.

      • Thomas

        LeBron and Bosh is the way to go and I believe Walsh’s first choice.

        • Count Zero

          Yes. That would be the ideal combo right there.

      • Ivan

        Well, I like the pairing of LeBron and Bosh.

        Im not a huge Amare fan.

        LeBron and Wade on the same team would be Jordan/Pippen Vol.2

        • Jay CT

          So wait- LeBron and Wade is Jordan and Pippen Vol. 2, but you would rather not take that?

          Personally, I think Wade is not going to age well and would prefer the Bosh, but I just don’t see why you would pass up the Wade/Bron if you think its Jordan Pip 2

          • Ivan

            I didn’t say I didn’t want LeBron/Wade on the same team. In fact, I would to see that.

            • Ivan

              I would love to see that.

              • Jay CT

                Gotcha. I thought you said you wanted Bron/Bosh. None of the options would be bad. I just think Wade is going to age poorly, and I think Wade goes back to his Chicago

          • Count Zero

            Agree on Wade. I love watching the guy play, but he takes too much of a beating going to the rim. I could see him being a shadow of himself in five years. I would avoid him in 2010.

      • http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/burressDM0402_468x305.jpg Nady Nation

        Lebron is essential, so after that, I could really go either way with Bosh or Amare. I know that some coaches from the US Olympic team said all the upcoming big FAs on the team (Lebron, Wade, Bosh, etc.) are good friends and want to play together in the NBA. The beauty of what Donnie Walsh has done, and will continue to do, is that we’ll probably have enough money for 2 max contracts, and then a non-max contract for a third really good player.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        I barely know that much more than you, I just follow my Blazers. However, in Mike D’Antonio’s system, wouldn’t LeBron James and Dwayne Wade be the best pairing?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Wait, basketball teams have systems? I thought the big guy went to the basket, the little guys stayed on the outside, and the medium sized guys go everywhere else.

          • RollingWave

            that’s generally true but there are different ways to play it, having a big guy like Shaq obviously play differently than having a big guy like Lebron

            • SFT

              Regarding D’Antoni’s system , Bosh would be best. He likes atheltic big men, which Bosh epitomizes. Also, LBJ takes it to the hoop, freeing outside shooters, which Wade is not.

              There are certianly better parts to add to the equation.

        • J-Gao

          If it’s D’Antoni wouldn’t Amare be preferred if indeed Mike had a say?
          I think it would depend on who the Knicks draft in the lottery this year and/or next. If they get a top guard like Derozan, Harden, or even Rubio, they’ll sign either Bosh or Amare (but I don’t think Amare will leave Phoenix). If they get a top big liek Blake Griffin or Mullens, they’ll opt for Wade?

          Is Steve Nash a free agent that year, too? I know he says it’s either Phoenix or Toronto for him, but if NYK is able to build a title contender and Mike D’s still there, I wonder if he would sign on. Imagine, Nash, Robinson (Nate), LBJ, Amare, and some center they draft (Thabeet, Mullens. etc.). And they might have David Lee around.

          • Ivan

            Yeah Nash is a FA in 2010.

    • Ivan

      I gonna say this, and as much as I want LeBron here, for some reason I really see him staying in CLE. CLE is not gonna lose LeBron without a fight epecially if the team makes the finals again.

      Nevertheless, it’s always great when players like LeBron or Kobe come to the Garden. Last season was so sick when LeBron looked at Spike Lee and said he was gonna drop 50 on em and he did. That was game was just crazy, dude scored 50 points and drop 11 dimes. That and when Kobe did that sick dunk couples years back at the Garden.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        It’s pretty safe to say LeBron’s going to a max contract, it’s just a matter of who offers it and where he’d like to go. Then again endorsement opportunities in NYC > anywhere else.

      • http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/burressDM0402_468x305.jpg Nady Nation

        I see what you’re saying, but if Lebron really felt such strong ties to his “hometown” of Cleveland (even though he’s from Akron), he most likely would’ve signed a 5 year deal, like Melo did, when he was eligible to instead of a 3 year. I think he’s eagerly awaiting what Free Agency has in store for him.

        • Ivan

          LeBron isn’t dumb. Wade did the samething too. I can see em signing together on the same team.

          • http://img.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2008/02_01/burressDM0402_468x305.jpg Nady Nation

            Same. Here’s to hoping it’s with the Knickerbockers

            • Ivan

              Yea Knicks signing Wade and sticking it to Riley.

      • J-Gao

        If we get CC, LeBron’ll come to NY, as well.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.
    • Alan

      It’s alright they’ll both be gone at the end of the season and Eagles management can start doing what they should have done after the Super Bowl loss to the Patriots: Rebuild.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Dan Girardi has been the best Girardi in New York sports this year.

    • Ivan

      Who’s Dan Girardi?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        He’s the motherfreakin’ man, that’s who he is.

        (defenseman on the Rangers)

  • Steve

    Has anyone seen a video or transcript of the Hal ‘ultimatum’? I haven’t. I have yet to see anyone, anywhere post the CONTEXT in which this question was asked. Did he volunteer this info? Or was he being badgered by mindlessly similar questions asked six different ways before he came up with this so-called ‘ultimatum’?

    Was it this:
    Reporter-”How ya doin Hal?”
    Hal-”Fine, but the CC offer isn’t going to be there forever.”

    Or this:
    Reporter-”How’s the CC negotiations going?”
    Hal-”Nothing new to report”
    Reporter-”How long do you think it will take until he signs?”
    Hal-”I have no idea, that’s up to him”
    Reporter-”Are you worried that he hasn’t signed yet?”
    Hal-”No”
    Reporter-”Do you think it means he doesn’t want to be a Yankee?”
    Hal-”I have no idea. Again, you’ll have to ask him. But we’d love to have him on our team.”
    Reporter-“If he doesn’t decide soon will it affect your off season plans?”
    Hal-”No, we have a few other offers out there.”
    Reporter-”How long will you wait until you move on?”
    Hal-”Well, the offer isn’t going to be there forever. So at some point we’d have to move on. But I don’t anticipate that happening.”

    Something tells me it was scenario B. Just a wild guess.

    • whozat

      “Something tells me it was scenario B”

      Might that something be “rational thought”? Something that, apparently, eludes many fans and reporters ;-)

      • Steve

        HE SAID “THE OFFER WON’T BE THERE FOREVER”!!!

        CONTEXT SHMON-TEXT SOUNDS LIKE A STORY TO ME!!!

  • Steve

    BTW-Mike, loved the Burnett/Sheets piece. And apparently more Yankee fans agree with us than I would have thought, if this poll is any indication.

    http://www.prosportsdaily.com/forums/showthread.php?t=296175

    Now if we could just get the Yankee front office on board.

  • Steve

    Delmon Young anyone?

    “It remains unclear whether the Twins will be able to move outfielder Delmon Young, but they are intent on trading for bullpen help. ”

    http://www.twincities.com/sports/ci_11052699

    We’re certainly a match talent wise, but I’m not sure about Delmon. The power hasn’t developed the way everyone thought it would, and for the Twins to give up on him so fast, it tells you they’ve seen enough after 1 season. Plus, the last thing we need is another LF.

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/y/youngde03.shtml

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      He can play RF no problem. He did all of ’07 with Tampa and his entire MiL career. He’s a special hitter, but the dude has no plate discipline. Like, none. He’ll make Cano look like freaking Giambi. Nice buy opportunity though, so if the price is right…

      • Steve

        A few relievers doesn’t sound overly expensive. But I think this goes beyond the back of his Baseball card. The Twins wouldn’t give up on a young, cheap guy with his upside unless he was a major attitude problem. Especially after just giving up Garza to get him. He did throw a bat at an umpire once, if I remember correctly.

        BTW-I’ve always thought he’s a SO machine as well, but he ‘only’ struck out 105 times last year (575 ABs). Which isn’t horrible. His lack of plate discipline shows up more in his walks (35). But if you’re going top be that type of hitter, you’d like to see more pop. Its the .405 SLG that bugs me the most.

    • Thomas

      I wouldn’t mind it if the price is right, but New York media will just bomb the guy. I think all the negative media will cause problems, since he is a head case.

      • A.D.

        Depends, if they’re buying low they can’t bomb him that much

        • Thomas

          People will still bomb the deal, after all some are attacking the Swisher deal. Also I was talking about during the season, if he were to struggle.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      It may not be a pressing need in the upcoming season, but with Johnny Damon and Xavier Nady playing in their contract years in 2009, it is a pressing need for 2010 and beyond. I would love to acquire Delmon Young for some of our relievers; that’s why you build a bullpen such as Brian Cashman has: multiple, young and cost-controlled.

      • Ivan

        Don’t t tell Lombardi that.

        • RollingWave

          he’ll flip either way, we could trade Melky for Albert Pujols and he’ d still manage to flip it in a bad light.

    • A.D.

      He’s 22, plenty of time to show power

      • RollingWave

        there’s also a chance that he turns *only* into Jose Guillen, or in the worest case, Juan Encarnacion. still, I’d trade for a reasonable sum for a guy who’s top age comp is Carl Yastrzemski .

        • Steve

          His #9 comp is a guy named Buttercup Dickerson.

          No, not the one from that new show on LOGO-TV, the one that played Baseball in the late 1800’s.

    • Steve

      If (Twins GM) Bill Smith trades him for a few relievers, that will be TWO bad trades in the past two seasons.

      The Santana deal was a bust, and the Delmon Young deal effectively turn into Matt Garza for a couple of relief pitchers. Unless one of them is your future closer, that’s a disaster as well.

      If the Twins do NOTHING last off season, keep Matt Garza and Johan Santana, do you think they would have made the playoffs?

      If you take Garza off the Rays, do THEY make the playoffs?

      Sometimes the best moves . . . . .

      • A.D.

        Santana, Garza, Liriano… scary in the playoffs

  • Steve

    BTW-If anyone thought that Rentaria is a Giant because you were listening to WFAN this afternoon, well. . . he isn’t.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/11/giants-sign-edg.html

    The one time Sweeney gets a scoop, he blows it.

  • Baseballnation

    I don’t know why anyone would take Bosh over Amare, Bosh is a finesse big man who does not get down low and rebound, while Amare is the kind of dominant big man you can build around

    • Steve H

      Bosh average 10.5 rebounds per game last year, Amare averaged 8.4, with a career high of 9.6. Stoudemire also has played in an up tempo offense his whole career, hence more shots, more rebound opportunities. So I’d say Bosh is more than up to Amare on the boards. And Amare is brutal defensively, just awful.

    • Thomas

      Bosh has had better rebounding and scoring than Amare in some seasons. I think Bosh is more athletic and hasn’t had a severe injury. Also Amare is helped by playing with Nash in Phoenix’s offense.

      Of course Amare is great and pairing him with D’Antoni again certainly isn’t a bad idea.

      • http://Greg Greg P

        I think Amare is much more reliant on/product of the talent around him. Bosh is much better at getting his own shot, and has far better range on his jumper.

    • Ivan

      Amare isn’t really a dominate post player. He get his points by Fast breaks, beating big men off the dribble and using a pretty good jumper.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      Bosh is a finesse big man who does not get down low and rebound, while Amare is the kind of dominant big man you can build around

      That’s funny, I’d have said the exact opposite of that. IMO, Bosh is the dominant big man you can build around, and Amare doesn’t get down low and rebound.

      But the difference between the two is not titanic. Bosh gives you more defense and rebounding. Amare gives you more explosive scoring. I’d take Bosh, but I won’t be complaining if we end up with Amare.

      However, Bosh is a year and a half younger (and hasn’t already had a serious knee surgery)…

      • Mike Pop

        I take Bosh

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Tony Kornheiser: “I think every time Aaron Rodgers goes out there, he competes against the opposing Quarterback and Brett Favre.”

    Ron Jaworski: “I think that’s a ridiculous statement.”

    I love and hate Jaws and Tony, respectively.

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.
      • Ivan

        It’s so damn funny.

        • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.
          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            That’s outstanding. Bravo.

          • Ivan

            that’s funny, but the Lidge one is just classic.

            • Steve H

              Funny aside, I’d much rather look at this one than the Lidge one.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.
            • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.
              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.
                • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                  Just check out this entire post (there is a “spoiler” tab at the bottom of the post, please, don’t miss that!): http://tinyurl.com/5b4fyn

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                  RE: the second gif after the spoiler

                  That chick is pretty cute.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.
                • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                  My sentiments exactly.

                • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                  I love Shockey, but this never gets old: http://tinyurl.com/j5c27

                  P.S.: If you are unaware of the situation, that was the 2005 game where Jay Feely of the Giants missed four FG’s that would’ve won the game for the Giants. I still despise that little shit.

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                  I remember watching that game. Classic.

                • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.
    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Wait a second … Jaws said something in defense of a quarterback? What has the world come too …

  • Ivan

    Yo the Luda album is pretty damn good.

  • RollingWave

    On Delmon Young, I’d trade a moderate sum for him but there are certainly signs that worry people. a lot of people see him as Jose Guillen now, while that has value as well, it’s probably not the value most people thought just a few years ago.

    On the bright side, his top BR age comp is Yaz, but I kinda doubt that’ll happen, on a really bad comparason I can think of, would be Juan Encarnacion, another super tools OF that had 0 patience , didn’t whiff that much. and never really amounted to much.

    • Steve H

      Jose Guillen without the power……uggh.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Heh, what is he good for then? His outfield arm?

        • Steve H

          That and bat tossing.

          • Mike Pop

            Heh, but if it is true they would deal him for Kouzmanoff, Bill Smith should be shot

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Heh, I was playing SOCOM the other day, and this ensued:

    Guy #1: “Anybody wanna join a clan?”

    Guy #2: “I don’t join clans, I’m a dog without a leash, I’m a beast.”

    Guy #3: “…An unranked beast.”

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      You play COD World at War yet? When you beat the campaign, you unlock a special online match where you and up to 3 others are locked in a house and Nazi Zombies try to break in from outside and kill you. The longer you go the harder it gets (Level 1, 2, 3, etc). There’s boards over the windows and stuff that they rip off and you can rebuild. But you can’t go outside and the zombies can get in from all sides.

      It’s pretty awesome.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        Nah, I got Resistance 2, didn’t like it, and traded it in for SOCOM.
        I did hear about that zombie mode, just makes me wish that someway XBOX’s “Left 4 Dead” will be ported to the PS3 in the future.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          I haven’t tried R2 yet. I heard they made some pretty drastic changes that kinda takes away from the game.

          • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

            The only two genres I really dig are tactical shooters and sports games, so that’s probably the main reason I didn’t get into it.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.
    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

      Joe Girardi: ARod, we’re down two runs and Jeter’s on second. Big hit here ties it up, we need a superhero here. The Yankee fans need you.
      ARod: The Yankee fans can wait!!! This superhero’s going to build his own Capital One credit card.

      ARod = Armadillo

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

    Nice hit by Rodgers right there.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

    Ryan Grant needs to hurry up and get four straight tackled for a loss with a fumble here.

    COME ON, RUGGED, NASTY, PHYSICAL SAINTS DEFENSE! FUCK RYAN GRANT UP!!!

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      IT IS YOU WHO ARE THE BALL LICKERS!!!

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

        Mike, if you’re gonna use it, don’t fuck up the quote.

        YOU ARE THE ONES WHO ARE THE BALL-LICKERS!!!

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Bah. I’ve seen the movie enough times, I figured I had it right and didn’t need to check.

        • Mike Pop

          Eew man she had 70’s bush. Damn, second rule in that book should be “Trim that shit”..

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

            I AM THE MASTER OF THE CLIT!!! Remember this fucking face–whenever you see clit, you’ll see this fucking face. I make that shit work. It does whatever the fuck I tell it to. No one rules the C.L.I.T like me. Not this little fuck… NONE of you little fucks out there. I AM THE CLIT COMMANDER!

            When it comes down to business, this is what I do. I pinch it like this… OOH, you little fuck. Then I rub my nose with it…

            • Mike Pop

              What the fuck is the internet?

              • Mike Pop

                Good movie but not as good as the legend of Ron Burgondy

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                  Oh, dude, that movie’s awesome too.

                  “You went to film school, didn’t you? It must piss you off to se a black man running a big ol’ production like this… You went to film school…

                  Does yo’ daddy know that you give a ni@$a his coffee? It would KILL HIM, WOULDN’T IT!!!”

                • Mike Pop

                  Holy fuck, is that monkey waving at us? Oh, shit, It understood us! Maybe it’s some kind of supermonkey. What if there’s more supermonkeys up at that lab?

                  What if they’re creating an army of them? Holy shit. It must be a conspiracy like in the X-Files… *Roswell* style! This little monkey could be the fuckin’ damn dirty ape responsible for the fall of the human race. In this world gone mad, we won’t spank the monkey- the monkey will spank us. And after the fall of man, these monkey fucks’ll start wearing our clothes and rebuilding the world in their image. Oh and only those as super smart as me will be left alive to bitterly cry – *you maniacs*! Damn yous! Goddamn

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

                WORD, BITCH, PHANTOMS LIKE A MUHFUCKA!!!

    • A.D.

      and then presumably get hurt/the game would end?

  • RalphieD

    yea nazi zombies is kick ass…i got to level 20

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      My brother got to level 17 with his friends. When I visited him two weeks ago we got to level 15 just the two of us. I thought that was pretty good.

  • A.D.

    http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2008/11/yankees-white-s.html

    No multi-year deal… Yanks could still be in the hunt!!!

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Drew Brees > All other NFL Quarterbacks.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      That would have been pretty funny if Colston didn’t break the plane before flipping the ball.

      • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

        The Eagles: http://tinyurl.com/5sm3u3

        …I really have too many of these things.

    • Steve H

      Until Brady gets back.

    • Ivan

      Manning said hello.

      • Mike Pop

        Romo says hello.. He is as important to his team as any qb in the league.. I think it has been proven this year..

        We’re a mess without him, we missed him so damn much, we missed being with him, being near him, we missed his scent

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          And yet, there’s virtually no difference between Romo and Brees. Sure, if you’re going to take either one of them off their teams for a month and replace them with Brad Johnson/Brooks Bollinger, they’re going to look super important, but if you do that with every starting QB in the league, you could say the same.

          I take Brees over Romo. Fewer mistakes, and probably accomplishing more with less.

          • Mike Pop

            Ya but Brees has been playing alot longer too

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

              Meh, Romo was unheralded, so he rode the bench for a while. He’s only a year younger, no big whoop.

        • E-ROC

          I don’t think Romo is better than Brees. I don’t even think it’s close. I’m not a Cowboy hater, but Brees has been putting up numbers a while now.

          • Mike Pop

            And Romo has been putting up numbers for his whole time in the league.. Only thing with Romo is hes a gunslinger and throws too many picks… How is it not close ? Romo had one of the best seasons in Cowboys history last year and had a great season in general… The dude is a beast..

            And Saints have talent too so they arent a drastic downfall compared to the Cowboys offense..

          • Mike Pop

            Just looking at the stats, how you do not even think its close is beyond me.. That was an ignorant statement.. You make the argument that he has been putting up numbers but you act as Romo has had less than average seasons..

  • Mike Pop

    Colston was huge there !!! Just won me the week

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

    My current NFL MVP ballot:

    1.) Kris Jenkins
    2.) Clinton Portis
    3.) Albert Haynesworth
    4.) Peyton Manning
    5.) Ed Reed
    6.) James Harrison
    7.) Kurt Warner
    8.) Brandon Jacobs
    9.) David Stewart
    10.) John Abraham

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      I think Corey Webster has been the Giants’ MVP thus far; that guy has truly developed into a shutdown corner.

      • Mike Pop

        No love for T Jones ? Warner should be higher than that.. I really dont think a Defennsive player gets it.. And Jamal lets not go overboard on Webster…

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

          Not saying it would happen (a defensive player getting it), but I challenge you to show me who has dominated games as consistently and thoroughly as Kris Jenkins.

          Thomas Jones is nice, but he’s probably not even in the top five of MVP candidates on his own team. I’m more impressed by Jenkins, Darrelle Revis, Alan Faneca, Brett Favre, Kerry Rhodes, and Nick Mangold.

          • Mike Pop

            Oh Im not challenging it at all.. Jenkins has been dominanat… Haynesworth is the only guy who is up there with him but Jenkins owns him this year

    • Steve H

      Where’s Pedoira and Youk?

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

    Yeah, this game is proof positive that the Packers wouldn’t be Superbowl contenders had they kept Favre.

    This defense blows chunks. I know the Saints passing attack is good, but come on.

    They should retroactively take away Al Harris’s 2007 ProBowl appearance.

  • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones

    Man, I can’t wait to hear Philly knuckleheads boo Donovan McNabb when he goes three-and-out in his first series on Thanksgiving Thursday.

    So sad.

    • Mike Pop

      Is it more sad then people booing A-Rod.. The dude has won 2 MVP’s for us and people boo him lol… I love it, my friends are like we should of let that guy go, we should of never traded Soriano… Dudes are asses

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  • Baseballnation

    Jenkins and Haynesworth definitely get the love but Fred Robbins is having an all pro year and is probably the Giants defensive mvp.