Dec
10
CC deal has an opt-out
ByFrom Tim Brown and Gordon Edes of Yahoo! via MLBTR, we learn that Sabathia’s contract will contain an opt-out clause after three years and $69 million. So if Sabathia opts out after the 2011 season, he’ll be leaving $92 million on the table.
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damn…opt out clauses scare me…altough this one doesn’t involve scott boras, so we might be ok…that is a lot of money to leave on the table…
opt-out after 3 years? me no like that.
I do like it for this reason: I think that we’ll get the best of CC for the first 3 years rather than the last 4 as wear-and-tear and the inevitable decline kicks in. Which means that our best chance to win a WS with CC, in his prime, would probably happen in the first 3 years anyway.
If he’s successful, ie performing at an ace level & winning a WS, why would he want to go anywhere else and leave that money on the table?
If he’s not successful, ie performing under-par & getting bounced early in the post-season, then the Yanks will have rid themselves of the largest pitching contract in history.
CC will still be able to get a decent contract at age 31 on the West Coast in the NL. Win-win for everybody.
It doesn’t work that way. After season 3, if he’s pitching like an ace, he can either stay with the Yankees for ~4/$92, or, he can opt out and try to do better elsewhere. Considering salaries tend to go up over time, he can probably beat that. At the very least he’ll still be young enough that someone would offer him 5 years.
If he’s sucking after season 3, the only way he opts out is if he’s completely miserable in NY, as there’s no way he’d come close to 4/$92 if he’s sucking.
You just made my point again while contradicting your own. If salaries go up over time, how can you definitively say he couldn’t make 4/$92 if he underperforms here? His agent could get him a pretty hefty contract on the West Coast (at age 31) after they play the whole “CC was never happy in NY” card. They’ll have his NL numbers with the Brewers to back this up knowing that his ERA would surely be better in the NL West.
Your point seems to be that if he pitches as expected, he’s not going to take the chance to renegotiate for more money, but if he fails, he will opt out of a record setting contract because teams will be jumping to pay him more money.
I can see your point on opting out if you consider failure to be anything less than winning Cy Young awards and World Series rings, and if you consider him pulling a Zito to be impossible.
If he continues to be one of the top 5 pitchers in the game, I see no chance of him not opting out to get more money unless baseball’s collective finances start diving like the stock market has been. I’m sure CC had to notice how A-Rod’s opt out close worked out.
Girardi scared him by telling him “We’ll get your fat ass in shape come spring training”. CC then asked for an opt out clause.
LoL…
it was because now that moose is gone ice crea is banned again, so cc said, i dont know if i can take more than 3 years without rocky road
Only way this is a positive if he wins say two CY Youngs and then opts out to sign a big deal with somebody else and is a bust.
On the flip side Cashman just handed this guy the whole world. He got EVERYTHING. Most money, 60 percent more than anybody else offered (if he does the whole deal). An opt out (nobody else had that on the table and by nobody I mean the only team that offered him 60 million less)
Cashman got hosed. But we got a top line pitcher for our favorite team.
Still would have liked a locked in Johan for less money and more years even if it cost us Hughes and the terrible pitcher named Ian and Melky. (plus we would have at least made the playoffs last year with Johan if not gone far)
(plus we would have at least made the playoffs last year with Johan if not gone far)
Yes, because our 3.98 FIP (ranked second in the AL; 4th in MLB) is the reason the 2008 Yankees missed the playoffs. Surely, it wasn’t our .682 Defensive Efficiency rating or the fact that Jorge Posada, Alex Rodriguez, Hideki Matsui, Derek Jeter, Robinson Cano, Chien-Ming Wang, Robinson Cano and Andy Pettitte all missed significant time with injuries, had their effectiveness hampered by injuries or suffered significant regressions.
Come on, dude.
i knew if i waited long enoughsomeone else would say this for me. thank you
I did not say the would have won the WS. But they would have been in the playoffs. If you think adding Santana and subtracting Hughes, Kennedy and Melky would not have won us an additional 7 games then “come on dude” to yourself.
The thought that Johan Santana would have gotten the Yankees into the postseason if his 2008 numbers were transplated to the Bronx leaves a lot to assumptions.
Santana had a 73.6 VORP in the NL East. In essence, he was worth seven wins above a replacement player. Now, you are praising the stats you so wholly hate because you now realize that those seven wins would’ve vaulted the Yankees ahead of the Boston Red Sox into a Wild Card spot. However, what you are failing to account for is Santana’s 2007 in the A.L. Central. Not ony did he surrender a career-high 33 HR, but his BB/9, HR/9 and FIP were all the worst on a span from 2003-2007. Also, his 3.33 ERA was the worst it had been since his 2001 campaign.
Who’s to say that Santana would’ve had such an epic season with the 2008 Yankees as he did with the 2008 Mets? If you take into account how he finished his AL career (as one rightly should), then you can’t just make a declarative statement such as, “they [2008 Yankees] would have been in the playoffs”. You can’t do that because you are leaving quite a bit to assumption.
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STATS TEH EVIL STATS OH NOOES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
maybe we should all just go back to our mom’s basements and let him be.
*…or the fact that Jorge Posada, Alex Rodriguez, Hideki Matsui, Derek Jeter, Robinson Cano, Chien-Ming Wang,
Robinson CanoJoba Chamberlain…Only way this is a positive if he wins say two CY Youngs and then opts out to sign a big deal with somebody else and is a bust.
Okay, so here’s a few scenarios. Tell me how many of these are positive and how many are negative:
A) CC pitches well for us for the next three years, in his prime, and then decides he likes it here, doesn’t opt out, and pitches well for us for four more years.
B) CC pitches well for us for the next three years, in his prime, and then decides he likes it here, doesn’t opt out, and pitches poorly for us for four more years.
C) CC pitches well for us for the next three years, in his prime, and then decides he should cash in on free agency, opts out, and we resign him to a bigger deal (like what we did with ARod).
D) CC pitches well for us for the next three years, in his prime, and then decides he should cash in on free agency, opts out, and somebody else pays him a bigger deal for his age 32-36 seasons while we move on with younger, cheaper pitching.
Most of those are good scenarios for us. There’s some risk involved, yeah, but we knew there was going to be risk involved because we weren’t CC’s ideal situation, so we had to make some concessions to get him here. Bottom line is, we got the best guy on the market for at least his prime years, and possibly more, even though he preferred to go elsewhere.
On the flip side Cashman just handed this guy the whole world. He got EVERYTHING. Most money, 60 percent more than anybody else offered (if he does the whole deal). An opt out (nobody else had that on the table and by nobody I mean the only team that offered him 60 million less)
Cashman got hosed.
Wait, so CC getting a 7 year big money deal is bad because it’s too long and too big, but CC possibly opting out of that big money deal early and thus, making it a short-term deal (for the player’s prime, no less) is somehow ALSO bad? Again, we likely either:
A) got the best available pitcher in baseball, and a true ace, for three years during his prime, or
B) got the best available pitcher in baseball, and a true ace, and one who profiles well to continue to be productive and injury free for the foreseeable future, for 7 years, most of them in his prime
You’re upset that we paid 22M AAV for the best pitcher on the market, even though that’s Santana money and there was no shot he’d possibly take any AAV less than that, since he’s setting the market, but you’re also mad that 7 years is too long AND mad that 3 years is too short. Are you ever happy with anything?
Still would have liked a locked in Johan for less money and more years even if it cost us Hughes and the terrible pitcher named Ian and Melky.
This is ridiculous. CC is younger, more durable, and didn’t cost any prospects. Saying you prefer trading Hughes and Kennedy for Santana over keeping Hughes and Kennedy and adding Sabathia is unbelievably retarded. You don’t just give away valuable prospects in order to trade for something you can buy for nothing but money. Cashman’s strategy was the exact correct one. Our team is immeasurably stronger by having CC, Hughes, Kennedy, Melky, Hilligoss, etc. instead of just Santana.
Pwned.
THAT IS HOW YOU DEBATE!!!
Did you just black out?
did denzel teach you that?
heh
“Only way this is a positive if he wins say two CY Youngs and then opts out to sign a big deal with somebody else and is a bust.”
I was speaking on the opt out not the deal in of itself. So you writing a book about that was not really needed.
Cashman did get hosed because he offered more than he had to. I do not know what you do for a living, but my career is based on making deals and if there is weakness in a man at the table it will be exploited.
“CC is younger, more durable, and didn’t cost any prospects. Saying you prefer trading Hughes and Kennedy for Santana over keeping Hughes and Kennedy and adding Sabathia is unbelievably retarded. You don’t just give away valuable prospects in order to trade for something you can buy for nothing but money.”
Your argument here is flawed. CC did cost draft picks and Santana did not. Hughes is the only true value in the lot that we would have had to trade.
Saying that CC is going to be more durable over the course of the next amount of years is just speculation and not really well advised speculation.
Santana has been a better pitcher in his career than CC has, that is a fact.
I am glad we got the best available free agent pitcher on our team as I said, I just wish we would not always have to over pay for it in dollars and years.
Keep drinking the kool aid and mistaking females for men.
Cashman did get hosed because he offered more than he had to.
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see above. seriously, its people like you man. he could fucking skewer sasquatch bare handed and save 15 little girls from him and then go trade melky for pujols and people like you would complain he didn’t take the girls home first or that he waited too long to trade melky or that sasquatch wasn’t really gonna eat thos egirls or that he is TEH SUX0R BECAUSE HE DIDNT TRADE MELKY FOR PUJOLS SOONER.
at least it’s good tonknow theo epstein posts here and likes don mattingly
You might be the worst poster on here.
Sorry I do not live in your pretend land. I said what I said. Not what you pretended I said.
But thanks for spending the time to write some big long non baseball pretend fairytale nerd rant about my rant about the Yankees.
You might be the worst poster on here.
Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, pot.
I was speaking on the opt out not the deal in of itself. So you writing a book about that was not really needed.
OH NOOES THE LONG BOOK POST TOO MANY WORDS I CANTZ READ THAT MUCH!!!!!!
Dude, don’t get mad at me that I can express myself clearly, logically, and thoroughly. Try thinking faster.
Cashman did get hosed because he offered more than he had to. I do not know what you do for a living, but my career is based on making deals and if there is weakness in a man at the table it will be exploited.
That’s the thing, we don’t know that he offered more than he had to. I’d say it’s highly fucking likely that 7/161 with an opt-out was the bare minimum that would make him and his wife comfortable leaving California behind. But here’s the larger point: IT DOESN’T MATTER. The point is not to win the negotiation, it’s to gain the player. We knew going into this that it was an uphill climb. We won the uphill climb. We signed the player we wanted to a contract consummate with the market value on a player of his type. It probably would have been impossible to sign him to a below market deal, since we weren’t his option #1. Give it a rest.
Your argument here is flawed. CC did cost draft picks and Santana did not. Hughes is the only true value in the lot that we would have had to trade.
CC cost ONE pick. There’s probably less than a 50% chance that that one pick becomes a real, live prospect. Phil Hughes is a real live prospect, hence, he’s significantly more valuable than that one pick alone, and Santana would have required Hughes + Kennedy + other stuff.
You’re wrong as usual.
Saying that CC is going to be more durable over the course of the next amount of years is just speculation and not really well advised speculation.
I’d link you to the thorough studies documenting how bigger, heavier power pitchers break down less frequently than smaller, lighter power pitchers, but it’s full of stats and graphs and you’d ignore it anyway because you didn’t “see it with your own eyes.” So screw it.
Santana has been a better pitcher in his career than CC has, that is a fact.
Sabathia was acquired for nothing more than money and one draft pick, that’s also a fact. My fact is better than your fact.
Moreover, while Santana has been better, he’s the ace of a staff. Sabathia is also the ace of a staff. Our ace winning the game for us 3-0 doesn’t count any more than us winning the game 3-1. This is extreme nitpicking. It doesn’t matter which one of them is better, when we’re talking about the upper, upper echelon of starters. You’re acting like Sabathia is dogmeat compared to Santana. If Santana has been the best pitcher in the AL over the past half decade, CC’s been #2. That’s fine.
I am glad we got the best available free agent pitcher on our team as I said, I just wish we would not always have to over pay for it in dollars and years.
If you wish we wouldn’t have to overpay for talent in dollars and years, I suggest you start rooting for another club. We’re the Yankees, that’s how we continually bring in premier talent year after year and stay in contention while other clubs rise and fall like the stock market.
I hear the Dodgers have a smashing young bench coach named Don Mattingly. Perhaps you can be a Dodger fan?
Keep drinking the kool aid and mistaking females for men.
Keep trying to make your horrible arguments sound better to you in your head with lame, slightly homophobic psuedojokes.
Reposted from previous thread:
I think the opt-out is actually not that bad. Think about it: he does great and wants to leave after 3 years. At that point, the next crop of young pitchers is kicking the doors down. Yankees happily bid CC goodbye after thanking him for his great service and 2 WS rings. Everyone moves on.
/puts down crack pipe
Seriously, is a 3-year $60M deal for the best pitcher in baseball a bad thing? If he likes it here, he’ll stay. If not, nice knowing ya.
*$69M
I agree. My initial reaction was to be upset, but then I thought about how many pitching prospects we have in the system who should be ready in 3-4 years. CC leaves and we replace him with two younger, cheaper arms.
It’s also entirely possible that contracts this rich simply will not be out there in 2011, so he’ll have nowhere to go.
(And then there’s the third possibility that CC is a total bust and nobody wants him, but let’s not go there.)
the 3 year opt out is the only thing helping me feel good about this signing. 7 years for a pitcher is a lot longer than 7 years for a hitter. and while CC may not be as good after 5 years, its hard to believe he will seriously regress between the ages of 28 and 31.
I dont mind the opt out clause if the young pitching becomes major league caliber guys.
the only way i can think to spin this into good news is if he opts out, i HOPE the front office is smart enough to realize they’re better off letting him go if he so chooses. let someone else pay for him because (hopefully) by the end of the 2011 season joba and hughes will have emerged as frontline starters with betances and brackman itching to play in the majors.
also – cole hamels and king felix should be available.
how crazy is this — felix hernandez will be 25 YEARS OLD!
I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: I know how idiotic this sounds, but I want to give King Felix everything and anything he wants to pitch in the Bronx.
I would not object.
King Cole could come, too. Either way.
he would have to be prince cole, or duke, there can be only one king.
Not only that, I believe Matt Cain, Francisco Liriano, Sean Marshall, James Shields and Roy Oswalt will all be looking for jobs that off-season. I’m not completely sure of that list and I’m sure there are more that I’m missing
Betances, Brackman, Bleich, Z-Mac, ??? There’s a whole bunch of kids at least some of whom have good-to-great potential.
There’s lot’s of “if” in this. I hope it all comes true.
Think, though, all those times you and I talked about trades for Hamels…and we could get him through FA, haha.
hahahaha crazy!
2012 rotation:
Joba
Hamels/Hernandez
Wang
Hughes
Brackman/Betances/Macallister
Late question, what site has a good scouting on CC, where he is today and how his pitching has developed over his career?
Here you go:
http://www.baseball-intellect......trade.html
This doesn’t really bother me that much, although I would be happier if the opt-out were after only two years. The more years left on the deal, the less likely he is to take the opt-out, and the more likely he is to recover in the event he is hurt at the time – even if he has TJ surgery during 2011, he’ll still recover and have 3 years left on his contract.
I knew it.
My last comment from last night touched on the rumor of the opt-out clause. Its not a bad thing b/c really … how many more prime Cy-quality years does Sabathia have left in his massive tank?
He’s gotta help us to win a WS these next 3 years. By then we’ll have a new crop of high-ceiling farm players ready to get us through the next decade (brack, betances, mcalister). If CC wants to opt out the remainder of a lucrative contract .. then let him. He’ll be 3 years older and hopefully have another 600 innings on that arm. I’d love to see another team UP his AAS then.
You were corect. MLBTR has a report from Melvin saying regardless of where CC signed he was requesting a OPT OUT CLAUSE and the brewers were willing to do it.
mlbtr is saying that Hank wants Manny! OH YEAH!
If the Yanks go after Manny, I’d be absolutely ecstatic. A haul of Sabathia, Sheets, and Manny would pretty much make my Christmas list complete.
It’ll make my year. Haha
Considering the number of Indians and Red Sox fans in my classes @ Uni (not to mention the bandwagon Rays fans from last season), it will be great to rock out the pinstripes, as always, for 2009, with that list.
Yea. I wonder if Cash has been talking to him secretly, but I’m sure Boras would have let the world know.
I love Manny but I’d rather go for Dunn. Younger, cheaper, more flexible defensively, lefty…
Damn, I really a beating this Adam Dunn drum pretty hard.
I’m kind of torn on that issue. Dunn would be a great addition, and is younger, but at the same time, I still see Manny as the *best* hitter in baseball, and a mediocre fielder, whereas Dunn I see as a very good hitter and a weak fielder. I really don’t know. Frankly, I’d like Manny for the simple reason that he can play, at the very least, a passable corner outfield (in comparison to, say, Abreu) and his offense will make up for what he lacks in defense.
Sorry, not trying to take this offtopic, just saying, either of those guys would be great, but I’d (personally) prefer Manny.
But Dunn can play serviceable defense as well. By PMR and FRAA/R, he was just about average this year. Either way, he’s better than Abreu in the outfield.
Dunn’s offense also makes up for his defensive shortcomings and he’s also in the middle of his prime years. If we could get him for a good price, he’s more than worth it. Manny can obviously hit the ball but his age is also something that we cannot ignore. Dunn would require a shorter commitment for a younger player who’s arguably just as good at the plate and probably better in the OF.
Manny, a bench, Sheets, and then CC are the people I wanted in that order. I just hope Cashman stops getting hosed on the negotiations.
Hosed? Explain.
he’s a cahman hater because he can’t see him work with his own eyes. the stats are evil. the gm trade history mlbtr put together for cashman would make his eyes bleed so he thinks cashman is teh sux0r
Considering the hot stove has been ice cold until yesterday with K-Rod and today with Sabathia (with one or two relative exceptions via trade), I’m just wondering how Cashman can be getting hosed when he’s only made 1 deal (for a top tier player no less) which is more than the vast majority of teams out there have done?
I’m just wondering how Cashman can be getting hosed when he’s only made 1 deal (for a top tier player no less) which is more than the vast majority of teams out there have done?
Likewise, I’m wondering how Cashman is getting “hosed” when he signed the best pitcher on the market (who’s first preference was not to come here at all) at an AAV below the anticipated value, and I’m finding it hard to understand how people who think it’s a bad idea to give lengthy contracts to pitchers are also upset that CC got an opt-out (thus potentially making his contract of the non-lengthy variety).
I’m going to agree with jsb… some people just intensely dislike Cashman and will find something, anything to complain about in everything he does.
Brian Cashman is not chinese.
Bingo.
A GM is part salesman at this time of the year. He is not the door to door salesman I would choose to send out into the world to sell my wares.
So yes I may be biased when I say some things about Cashman.
Cashman made a good deal risk wise for Swisher. I liked that deal a lot. I also liked his deal with the Pirates last year. I even liked the Pudge for Farns deal (even though it backfired it was a deal that had to be made)
One thing I do not like about Cashman (and maybe it is more the Yankees currently ownership group who is doing this) is the open checkbook move. I believe we could have gotten Sabathia for less or a better group of players for this money that was spent.
I think as a team the Yankees allocate money in the wrong places quite frequently.
I do not think Cashman sucks. But Cash is not as good as the Sox team of people who make these moves, and he is not as good as say a Gene Michael would be in evaluating talent on a big league level. So perhaps I judge him too harshly, but really since it is just my opinion who cares?
So perhaps I judge him too harshly, but really since it is just my opinion who cares?
If you’re not comfortable with the opinions you hold and the positions you espouse being examined, dissected, and judged for their validity, you should cease sharing them with the world.
Silence is a perfectly acceptable alternative.
cashman did not get hosed. the facts show that sabathia wanted an opt out anywhere as per mlbtr. no one offerred it. he went to the yankees, asked lots of questions, was satisfied with the answers and said ok let’s get this done but not without an opt out. done.
So, unfortunately, this means the contract is more like a 3 year deal, and then the Yanks will likely have to overpay again to keep him with an extension if he does well, no?
Hmm…
Nonetheless, still, great news. I’ve been laughing hysterically at the typical crap on ESPN about the Yankees killing baseball and the little guy (read: Royals, Pirates, etc.) is losing out yet again, less than maybe 5 minutes after Jemele Hill said on 1st and 10 that the Yankees are making the wrong move because cheap, young teams like the Phils and Rays are taking over October…
It’s the most wonderful time of the year!
Jemele Hill is such a terrible analyst, she obvious is filling some quota at espn.
I don’t necessarily dislike her, I just thought it was funny on one hand that I heard “Small market teams are owning the postseason” and then five minutes later “The Yankees are killing baseball.” :-p
Jemele Hill is such a terrible analyst, she obvious is filling some quota at espn.
Yeah, because all the other non-black-female analysts at ESPN, like John Kruk and Steve Phillips, are fucking spot-on 100% right about everything, so the problem with Jemele Hill is that he’s a “quota hire”.
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jemele hill is a she i believe.
jemele hill is a she i believe.
Sorry, typo. I did say “non-black-female” earlier, in my defense.
i know, thats why the facepalm wasnt for you haha
she’s no skip bayless!
hahahaha
Jemele Hill is a broad dumb ass.
I agree. I only objected to the “quota hire” concept.
Keith Law is the only baseball analyst worth a damn at ESPN and everyone knows it, so they give him limited air time and hide his articles.
I actually don’t dislike Stark and Olney, either, but I tend to agree, Law is very good.
Gammons and Phillips are fun to watch for the sheer comedic value; so bad, it’s good.
kirkjian
Mr Orgasm when I speak
Tim “I jizz in my pants” Kurkjian
Who is sitting right next to me.
“Tim “I jizz in my pants” Kurkjian… Who is sitting right next to me.”
Here, give him these:
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It is curious why Skip Talentless always has to have a black person (or people) on that dumb segment they have on that horrible show.
I do agree that that ESPN has some very horrible on air “talent” of all ethnicities, colors and creeds. You named some pretty horrid ones that do happen to be white people.
your nicknames continue to be atrocious.
Co-sign.
your nicknames continue to be atrocious.
DonnieBaseballHallofFame = Chris Berman
yea with this you hope that CC gives u 3 stellar years in his prime and if he decides to opt out…let the giants/angles/dodgers have him at 31 being a timebomb to fall apart.
we might be able to get by with a strong farm system by that time as people are talking about.
Also, this opt out could make the deal be 3/69 instead of 7/161 and if the yankees treat it as such–well then they MIGHT have enough money to throw around at Teixeria afterall
its like having your cake…and eating it too. (unless CC shows up and promptly devours said cake)
its like having your cake…and eating it too. (unless CC shows up and promptly devours said cake)
That’s a given.
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The opt out is not a bad thing.
If he does well for 3 years and decides to opt out, we are back where we were this off season…waiting for another team to out bid us if we want him.
If he cant hack the pressure of NY, he leaves and both him and the team are good with it.
Worst case scenario is he gets hurt and we are stuck with him for the 7 years..which would be the exact scenario if there was no opt out.
Plus, the Yankees might not even HAVE to bid on CC after three good years, if the minor league pitching progresses like it can, and Joba and Phil are established major leaguers (boy, I hope that happens!).
Plus we’ll get two draft picks!!
Haha! Oh, Tommy Haudricourt…
Get fired.
Worst case senario created by opt-out, CC wins three consecutive Cy Youngs and we’re forced to give him another 7/160 deal in three years. If this happens, I’d be a happy guy (not for the contract but because he’s pitched 3 awesome years for us)
The key with this opt-out is to have enough depth in the system that, should he leave, we won’t be up the creek and have to resign him at any cost a la ARod last year. Considering how pitching-rich Yankees are (esp. in the lower minors), that shouldn’t be a problem.
Its not the greatest thing in the world but opt outs are actually beneficial to the Yankees. They really did Arod a favor last year with that deal. Also this is slightly different. Arod’s opt out came well after the midway point of the contract and well after he had earned a large chunk of the salary (not counting the deferred money). And when he opted out has 3 years at around $75M coming to him. Arod was easily going to beat the aggregate on the market. Granted the AAV was never going to get surpassed by anyone besides the yankees. CC at age 31 could still have a lot of value but Im skeptical hell be able to beat 4 years at $92M, especially if the Yankees have developed Joba at that point.
Right, exactly. The opt-out in and of itself sucks. Its not a good thing, but in the long run, it doesn’t hurt or make the contract a bad one per se. We’ll be stuck hearing about it for the first three years, but so be it.
After three years, the odds of someone offering a 31 year old CC 5-6 years at OVER $25M/year is highly, highly doubtful.
Either CC will opt out because he simply wants to go to a WC team or because he wants the Yanks to add an addition two years, giving him another 6 or so year contract at $25M/year.
Or, he won’t opt out, realizing that 4 years at $92M is the best he will get for his 31-34 years with lots of mileage on his hefty arm.
Any of those three options don’t really hurt the Yankees all that much. If in three years they haven’t developed the farm system more/given themselves enough depth, its their own damn fault.
As other people have noted, we’re young pitching rich, having him opt-out is fine, we have guaranteed to sign one of the best pitchers in the majors for his 28, 29, and age 30 seasons. He might be able to make more dollars in 3 years given the time value of money, and the current economy, but who cares. Brack, McAlliser, Hughes, Joba, Betacanes, Bliech, IPK, Wang, 2009 draft pick, might all be chomping for a rotation spot
accroding to mlbtr now cc wanted an opt out everywhere he went and the brewers were considering it….its from our boy hadricourt tho…sooooooooo who knows but still
Holy shit, John Kruk is outdoing himself. He just said on Sportscenter that he thinks the Yankees haven’t made themselves any better by signing CC Sabathia because they’re just replacing Mike Mussina’s 20 wins. Where’s the facepalm ASCII.
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Thats’s awesome! He said it with a straight face?
Yep, sadly. He then went on to state that the Yankees needed Derek Lowe if they want to have any chance of competing with Tampa and Boston. Why does this man have a job?
it’s in steve phillips contract, there has to be one fat and or ugly guy to make him look better. especially in hd
Why does this man have a job?
Because, unlike Harold Reynolds, he’s too fat to effectively sexually harrass anyone.
Or, possibly he’s a “quota hire” like Jemele Hill…
He (Kruk) is a former ballplayer and a lot of people think he is lovable and irreverent.
Jemele Hill is in fact horrible and SHE has no good reason to EVER be on air.
I think as a whole the ESPN baseball Tonight crew is god awful and would love to see them slash and burn that crew.
Harold Reynolds was super duper horrible when he first started at ESPN, but he did turn it around and became one of the better people to ever be on that show for any decent amount of time.
Former ballplayers who people might remember, have a personality of some sort, do need the money or want to actually work and can also speak somewhat well is hard to find.
seriously tho they can’t be opoffering the job to that many oplayers..i mean come on, orestes destrada? the only reason anyone would ever know this guy is because he was taken in the expansion draft by the marlins. hell i bet not even msot people on here know that.and eric young. jeez.sadly kruk looks like dan patrick qwhen compared with these guys
Eric Young is a hooked on phonix ad waiting to happen.
I think the problem is:
Money (too many former players anybody cares about has more than ESPN can pay them so they would rather stay at home and do whatever it is they like to do being multi millionaires)
Lack of educated players even on the sport that they played
ESPN being located where it is
Too many good local TV and radio gigs for players in their former home markets.
Meh, John Kruk’s official title should be “Talk About Baseball Stuff Guy” and not “Baseball Analyst”.
He’s not horrible at what he does, which is talk about baseball on TV and not fumble over his own words like Emmitt Smith. But to call him an “analyst” is laughable. The only thing he’s ever successfully analyzed is a ham sandwich.
I think Ravech is alright. How he is still sane/hasn’t committed suicide from working with some of those morons is beyond me.
look, CC had major reservations about coming to NY.
Cashman said “look CC, if you really hate NY, you can opt out in 3 years and take your family back to California”
he used it to seal the deal.
it’s going to be OK.
And we all know he is going to like it
Exactly. But I bet the Opt out cause was the selling point to the wife.
Yeah that $161 million was not enough of a selling point. She wanted to live in Mill-Wokee.
he used it to seal the deal.
it’s going to be OK.
STOP FUCKING UP MY HAPHAZARDLY CONSTRUCTED ANTI-CASHMAN NARRATIVE AND PATENTED OVERREACTION!!!!
OPTOUT WTF IS THAT WE;RE GETTIN SCREWD AGAIN CASHMAN YOU TEH SUX0R!!!1!!11!!1
CC:1
Bry-Man: -6
bry-man will rise again!
In order to get back in the race he needs to sign Tex, Sheets, and Lowe.. CC would still be up by a couple points
The only major reservations that CC had involving NY was at Nobu.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see an opt out after year-three… I say this because: (1) the economy will, God willing, be in better shape and CC will look for more dough, (2) CC will make the Yankees legitimate once again, and (3) it’s a motivational tool to keep C.C. in shape… so I’m not completely opposed to seeing this clause.
Im not in love with it but it could work out for the better.. Hell if he gives us 3 great years and opts out and we lose him w.e… Itd be well worht the 69 Mill
I mean life is a two way street if he can opt out after the first 3 because he is unhappy thats one thing but we should have the last 2 years pending on amount of innings thrown over the first 4 or 5. We were willing to go the extra mile for his interest I believe its not out of line to ask him to do the same.
CC:2
Bry-Man:-7
You know, it just came to me. If CC Sabathia had signed with the Red Sox/Angels/Giants/Dodgers/ANYONE ELSE it’d be hailed as the greatest move of the century and there would be nary a person who would criticize it. But, since this is the Yankees, its a terrible move and will surely blow up in their faces. I love the media.
Me too.. Hes a great pitcher yet John Kruk says its a bad signing because it does not help them get any better considering their in the A.L. East.. haha gotta love it.. Go get Sheets Burnett and Lowe, WE SUCK !!
dont forget manny and texiera too!!
If the Sox had signed CC to an identical 7/161 with an optout, John Kruk would be jizzing in his pants as we speak.
it IS a bad deal – for the yankees. they got absolutely raped.
At the time, Santana was a considerably better pitcher with a much longer track record of success – and he only got 6 years. Really, CC has only had what I would consider 2 elite seasons, and he got 7(!) years and now has to pitch in the best offensive division in baseball. I think this deal blows up in the Yankee’s face in 3 years. It probably won’t matter for them, because of the endless supply of money, but I think that money would have been much better allocated to 2 starters for shorter deals than committing to CC for this long.
thoughts?
Cant wait to see Tsjc rip you
let it be known that those ideas are not my own, yet from someone on another message board. i found it interesting because he does have a point.
i, for one, am pumped that he’s coming to NY. there are a plethora of reasons as to why we should have gotten him. and we did.
I think that money would have been much better allocated to 2 starters for shorter deals than committing to CC for this long.
Name them.