Dec
10
Yanks tidbits: Burnett, Teixeira
ByJust a couple of items to whet your appetite for rumors:
- The Braves seem to be taking advantage of the Yanks’ preoccupation with CC, as they’ve been working through the night to sign A.J. Burnett. Many of us believe this is a good thing.
- Signing CC could mean that the Yanks are out on Mark Teixeira. I wouldn’t believe that at all. If we’ve learned anything from these Winter Meetings, it’s that no one’s sure of anything.
As always, links courtesy of MLB Trade Rumors.
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7 years at $160 to 170 million with a opt out after 3 years. He better earn his stripes with the Yankees. Sorry, but that’s F.U.
I would rather have made a trade with the Dodgers for one of their young pitchers and sign Ben Sheets and if possible Burnett.
Um, what?
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Whoops.
3 at the same time.
Such shame has never been known.
Best facepalm yet
Hahah
Oy my god, more awesome than describable by words. LMAO
Technology rocks. As does Brian Cashman.
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I want what you are smoking.
I would rather have made a trade with the Dodgers for one of their young pitchers
That’s interesting given that I haven’t heard that any Dodger’s pitcher is available
“George” has inside sources.. Damn you Levine
Signing any “A’ free agent pitcher, we would be loosing our first round pick. Since we value picks now a days, the way we value our minor league players, it would benefit us too look for other value players (especially pitching and defense) Just a example: If we could traded Cano, Melky along with IPK along with another player (Coke) to the Dodgers for Chad Billingsley or Clayton Kershaw (who I like) along with Matt Kemp.
Chad or Clay along with Kemp, is like having 2 first round picks, plus we became younger.
I felt if we signed Sheets plus A.J. along one of the Dodgers kids with Wang, Joba or resigning Andy, and keeping Hughes as either your fifth starter or your sixth.
Blah! Blah! Blah
Signing any “A’ free agent pitcher, we would be loosing our first round pick. Since we value picks now a days, the way we value our minor league players, it would benefit us too look for other value players (especially pitching and defense) Just a example: If we could traded Cano, Melky along with IPK along with another player (Coke) to the Dodgers for Chad Billingsley or Clayton Kershaw (who I like) along with Matt Kemp.
Wait, so you don’t want to sign a free agent pitcher because we lose a pick, but you want to trade MULTIPLE prospects for a non-free agent pitcher.
That makes sense… how?
Cano OR Hughes OR Melky OR Kennedy OR Coke >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> one first round draft pick
really? THAT was the part of his post you objected to?
obviously, you are right, but that is like looking at a car accident and noticing that the air freshener was ripped in half.
I didn’t want to wade any deeper into that quicksand than necessary. The first clause was nonsensical, and it scared me away from reading any further.
If we could traded Cano, Melky along with IPK along with another player (Coke) to the Dodgers for Chad Billingsley or Clayton Kershaw (who I like) along with Matt Kemp.
dude, on what planet is this a feasible trade proposal?
seriously, i’m not trying to be a dick, but you aren’t making a lick of sense.
the Dodgers MIGHT stop laughing at this by the time spring training rolled around.
i’m don’t think that package could net Billingley ALONE, let alone with Kemp.
If you object to losing draft picks than you SHOULD have been rooting for CC and Sheets all along because signing two Type A free agents from one source only loses you one draft pick (if you need a source check out MLBTR). The Yankees have picks to spare this year because of Cole, and Bittle. PLUS, the Yankees bread and butter is overpaying high risk/high reward and signability cases that have fallen in the draft anyway so first round picks sound nice and all but really don’t matter too much on this side of the poverty line. If you sign Sheets and Burnett (both Type A) you lose two picks. If you sign CC and Sheets you lose one pick and you have CC motherflippin Sabathia and Ben Sheets on your team AND you STILL have a first round draft pick. Tell me how this is a losing situation?
(above post responding to initial post about trading with dodgers and signing Sheet/Burnett)
The Yankees will not be out of the Tex situation until they force either the red sox or the angels to pay through the nose.
We will be out on him if we sign Manny, Lowe, or AJ though. I would think.
I really wouldn’t be surprised if the Yanks WERE in fact out of the Tex sweepstakes.
If the Yanks are truly going after Lowe AND one of Sheets/Pettitte, and again, this is a big IF, then to me that signals that they might be looking to make a trade for a bat. No idea whom, but signing all of those guys almost FORCES them to.
Delmon
Trade for Delmon Young?
Yes sir DDY
Who would you offer them, IPK?
Unfortunately we do not match up very well with them. They are looking for a ss or 3b in return reportedly. IPK would not get it done they have plenty of young pitchers probably the best in baseball.. Sucks that we do not match up well though
We match up well with the cardinals though. Ankiel
Ankiel why buy low ? Go for the big daddy Pujols
NJ.com…”The New York Yankees may have a close eye on the St. Louis Cardinals’ Rick Ankiel this week as teams continue to show interest in the former pitcher-turned-center fielder.
Not only are the Yankees showing interest, but so too are the Atlanta Braves, Tampa Bay Rays and San Francisco Giants. New York Post’s Joel Sherman:
Ankiel, the one-time erratic pitcher, hit 25 homers in just 413 at-bats last seasonr during an injury-disrupted season. He is one year removed from free agency, and, as a Scott Boras client, almost certainly will test the market. However, he should make only about $3 million as an arbitration-eligible player in 2009.
The Cardinals are allegedly looking for a starting pitcher and closer. Any idea who the Yanks could offer?”
IPK lol.. We always bring him up in any trade discussion.. Its like a Yankee fan thing to do.
Someone: (puts out a guy whos on the trade market)
Yank Fan: Well I guess I would start with IPK but I dont know how much more I will go
Bring up more ideas and then shoot them down yourself, it’s fun to watch
I enjoy it
I enjoy itIt joys me/Joey H’d
(Just poking some fun, no intention to offend.)
I know I am not offended lol
Lol I kinda meant Joey H. I just thought it was funny that he said something would “joy” him, or something like that, last night. It was just a funny thing to say.
YES.
I don’t see the Twin’s wanting our young pitchers, the ones we would offer anyway. I don’t think there is a match here.
3-team-trade this ho.
Those almost never work out in the MLB. The only reason they happen in the NBA is the need to match contracts due to the salary cap
IPK to the Padres, Kouzmanoff to the Twins, Delmon to the Yanks?
That’s a decent framework, but there would have to be some parts added. Maybe another player to the Twinkies.
Ill throw in Melky
Mike, would it be worth it to give up Z-Mac ?
No, not in my opinion. Maybe if Delmon had some semblance of plate discipline.
3-team-trade this ho.
Nickel for every time I’ve said THAT!
The issue with Delmon is that why he certainly is a talented bat, he’s not a sure thing bat, and really wouldn’t push any current player on the team out of a position.
I’d rather have Delmon than Nady…
Hey guys in Vegas, what are the new odds on the Yanks winning the world series now? Surely they must change with the signing of CC
Mets interested in Juan Pierre… how is that not actually suprising
Lowe would be big mistake beyond two years. I much prefer Burnett or Sheets–age is mpore predictive of decline than injury history. Especially if Burnett and Sheets are healthy now.
Actually, I’d be tickled pink to sign Texc and Andy and be done.
If we sign Lowe, it’s because of that ad over on this page’s left side…
I wouldn’t count the Yanks out of the Tex sweepstakes, they may not sign him, but they will take a long & hard look
Hopefully they offer alot just to get the price tag up and Boston declines to give more and he signs with us
Best case senario –
Tex – Angels
Burnett – Braves
Lowe – Phillies/Mets
Sheets – Yankees
As for Dunn and Manny, I don’t know, the market is less developed for them so far.
Dunn/Manny– one of them to us (Manny) and Dunn to Nats
Eh, I don’t really want either of them.
I would prefer Dunn over Manny, especially taking contracts into consideration, but I would prefer to upgrade the O another way entirely.
I would prefer Dunn over Manny, especially taking contracts into consideration, but I would prefer to upgrade the O another way entirely.
Such as?
Best Case Scenario:
Yankees: Tex + Sheets
Sorry, I should have said realistic scenario.
Yea… but I’ll keep believing…
What if we miss out on the rest of the pitchers and Tex is on the board.. We have to go after him. Considering the long contract wont be as bad anymore cuz CC could opt out.
(from the previous post)
Mik A,
here’s the link that Punto and Yankees are working on a deal:
http://blogs.trb.com/sports/ba.....eetin.html
Ah okay, I thought that you said they have signed him. I answered your question back in the other thread.
With CC all but signed, I think it is time to evaluate the merits of the other possible signings. With a rotation looking like this:
CC
CMW
?
?
Joba
I think it make sense to go hard after Sheets and Pettite to fill the two empty spots. In Andy, we get a workhorse who loves pitching in New York, and it would only be a one year deal which would leave the door open for Hughes at the start of next year. And even if Andy struggles, as the 4th starter that should hardly be an issue with the surrounding cast of pitchers around him, both in the pen and other starters, not to mention the offensive support he is sure to get.
With signing Sheets you get a high reward guy for little risk. $30 million for 2 years is nothing for a guy of his talent, if he works out we re-up him in a couple of years, if not we have guys waiting to take his spot in the minors.
Lowe in my mind is a LAIM and is not worth 4 years. If the young guys falter along with the free agent signings, we can get a guy like Lowe next off-season, I just don’t see the rational to giving an average pitcher 4 years at $16 million per.
On to AJ, when he is one there are few that can match him, the problem is that he is rarely on. He is either hurt, or seems like he doesn’t care, I watched everyone of his starts this year, and all I can say is that I wouldn’t touch him with a ten foot pole. Also beware of guys that only pitch well in contract years.
Ideally the rotation would look like this next year:
CC
CMW
Sheets
Pettite
Joba
with Hughes and IPK ready to step in whenever there’s an injury.
Lowe in my mind is a LAIM and is not worth 4 years.
What on earth is a LAIM?
There are two definitions on urban dictionary…..
1. an abbreviation for Leave An Instant Message
auto away message: I am out to dinner- laim
2. A word used to refer to crazy eyed hillbilly shits that love their donkey too much. Also a derogatory term for someone called liam.
Shut the fuck up laim you crazy-eyed baghead
LAIM= League Average Innings Muncher
LAIM= League Average Innings Muncher
(… fighting the urge to make a lesbian joke… )
Not bad, although I think I would go with;
CC
CMW
Joba
Sheets/Andy
Phil
and obviously add Tex to the team. I think the #5 pitcher should always be one of our AAAA guys, one good enough to win the spot in ST. After all, we have maybe 3 or 4 AAAA pitchers already…Phil, IPK, Aceves, Giese even Coke. Bring one at a time to the show (not 2) in each of the next few years. As/if one can’t cut it…replace him with the next one. 27/09.
Steve Philips agrees with the CC deal.. Should we be worried ?
Yes, its once in a blue moon that Steve actually agreed something.
Nah.
He is just glad it is one step closer to finally letting us move Joba back to the pen.
CUZ THATS WHERE HE BELONGS
PHILIPS SMASH
Good point. Next he will suggest that we make CC a long man to shore up the ‘pen.
TSJC
I got a burrito today for lunch.
I’m about to go cook it in the microwave.
How is yours tasting? Must be nice to finally eat it.
It was tasty. Sadly, within minutes somebody else resumed their irrational impatience and shortsightedness, so I put another burrito in immediately.
While this is a shit ton of money and time to give, I like to think of it as replacing Giambi and Farnsworth with Sabathia. Annual contracts pretty much even out right?
I’d trade Giambi and Farnsworth for Sabathia any day.
Wasn’t Giambi making ~23 million last season?
In that case its Giambi for Sabbathia straight up.
Question for you guys, would you be satisfied if all we got this offseason was CC and Tex?
I mean literally, like we lose out on Sheets, Lowe, Burnett, Pettite, ect. A rotation of
CC
Wang
Joba
Hughes
IPK/Aceves
doesn’t seem like much of an upgrade does it? I think we need to add Pettite for sure
We have to add Pettitte with CC and Tex.. IT would be real solid.
That doesn’t seem like an upgrade over
Moose
Pettite
Rasner
Ponson
Aceves/Pavano
??
Yes, Pettite should and will be added.
Hopefully Sheets but who knows.
If it was just CC and Tex I would be ok with that rotation. Plus the offense would be trading
Giambi + Abreu
for
Tex + Posada + Swisher + Matsui
add in whatever bounceback Cano has, and we are looking pretty solid.
Yes, Pettite should and will be added.
Hopefully Sheets but who knows.
If it was just CC and Tex I would be ok with that rotation. Plus the offense would be trading
Giambi + Abreu
for
Tex + Posada + Swisher + Matsui
add in whatever bounceback Cano has, and we are looking pretty solid.
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I can live with that. 27/09.
You can’t rely on Hughes/Joba/IPK. I think you have to get Pettitte or Lowe just because of the innings they’ll give you that the “big three” can’t.
I don’t know about “can’t.” I think won’t is probably more like it but I don’t think it’s fair to say they can’t just because they didn’t last year. I think it is fair to assume at some point that those three pitchers will combine for 200 innings, really that’s only around 70 innings a piece.
Well Kennedy can get up to about 180 or so, but I think Hughes is at about 140 or so and Joba is less than that. This all relies on that fact that these are decent innings and that they don’t get bounced to the minors. I don’t think Cash wants to go into the season relying on Hughes and IPK like last year. It probably can’t go as badly as it did a year ago, but you can’t put yourself into the same situation. Yes, they’ll have to get their cup of coffee eventually, but its probably not going to be at the beginning of the season. And they’re probably going to make it so that they’re only throwing one of IPK or Hughes in the rotation.
Yes I would be satisfied, and how is that not an upgrade?
Last year it was
Wang
Pettitte
Mussina
Hughes
IPK
Now
Wang 07 = Wang 08
Pettitte 07 < Joba 08 (innings limit aside)
Mussina 07 < CC 08 (maybe CC doesn’t get 20 but still)
Hughes 07 < Hughes 08 (He can’t do much worse)
IPK 07 < IPK 08 (Again can’t do much worse)
Ponson/Rasner 07 < Aceves/Wright/ Hacker (Who knows how those 3 will do if necessary, but Ponson and Ras didn’t really set a high bar)
I have a weird feeling that Pettitte might be the odd man out in the Yankees off-season plans. It’s a good thing though that the Yankees don’t make decisions based on my feelings. Also, based on reports, everyone who knows Pettitte seems to think he will end up with the the Yankees by the time all is said and done. Either way it’s just a feeling that I have.
Lmao at Lebron’s dunk last night.. Dude posed
http://img209.imageshack.us/im.....opyoe9.jpg
Who is C.C.’s agent the Illinois Gov. Rod Blagojevich?
thank you…
I say we get Sheets, Pettite, and Dunn then call it a day. We dont know if matsui is going to be healthy and we’ll need a Dh after next year anyway.
have arod bat third and Dunn cleanup
I don’t think the Yankees will stop until they get at least one of the Burnett/Lowe/Sheets trio. I really don’t see how they could lose out on all three, even with CC on the books they still have a lot of money left over to even get to 180ish mil for the payroll and with the signing of CC the staff suddenly has credibility it didn’t have before. I think at least one of them will be eager to jump on the train. So you’re looking at potentially:
CC
Wang
Burnett/Lowe/Sheets
Pettitte
Joba
with Hughes/IPK/Aceves filling some role throughout the year. If that is the way it all plays out the Yankees have a dynamite rotation with a lot of depth in the form of basically major league ready talent. If that doesn’t scream playoff caliber I don’t know what does. Right now the lineup would be:
Damon
Jeter
Cano(?)
A-Rod
Posada
Swisher
Matsui
Nady
Gardner/Cabrera
That doesn’t sound too bad either, although throw Dunn or Tex in there and I think we’re looking at potentially one of the better Yankee teams we’ve ever seen.
Plus, is anyone else really excited to see Mark Melancon play a role this year? Everything anyone says about him is awesome.
He is awesome, I watched him 4-5 times. Each time it was the same…set’um-up, set’um-down. Strike throwing machine, with movement. Nothing outstanding just attack, attack, attack. He is for real. 27/09.
As much as I’d prefer Sheets over Burnett or Lowe. yes, I think they don’t stop until they add one of the three.
And one is fine. Two would be foolish, but one is fine. Much as I don’t like the idea of giving Lowe 4 years, there are far, far worse things we could be doing.
Like Oliver Perez. Or Madonna.
On espn it says that the red sox are interested in Smolts, if we couldnt sign andy I would love a guy like smolts he is a gamer
Really? A gamer? What are the requirements for being a gamer? Facial hair, old? Please explain…
1. white
2. beard (not mandatory, but preferred)
3. can lay down a bunt
4. dirty uniform
5. if a pitcher, under no circumstances can you wear a jacket when you run the bases
6. spent most of 2008 on the DL
i am joking around here, but i will say that i am a huge Smoltz fan.
one of my favorite non-Yankees.
7. Short and slow*
*Note: may be substituted for big and slow, preferably if said player was once a college football punter
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a low cost back end guy u wouldnt want to give him a shot
http://www.instantrimshot.com
(P.S. I like how that works on more than one level)
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Not that there’s anything wrong with that…
Smoltz can still pitch but he’s older than Lowe and is more of an injury risk than Burnett or Sheets. I think most non-Braves teams would rather stay away and choose from one of those two even if it costs more.
Im for Jon Garland. I really think we should sign this guy. He wins. He pitches a lot of innings. Thats my opinion. If Sheets and Burnett work out well than that would be amazing. Garland gets into the 7th consistently and gives his team a chance to win.
He’s mediocre. Why would you pay a mediocre pitcher over $10 million per year? He had one really good year. That’s it.
For some guys, being an innings eater means you can suck for longer.
he had more than one good year. He can consistently pitch seven innings. It worked for a team like the angels because of their strong bullpen and good closer. I think the yanks are in a similar situation. Another reason is the alternatives are bogus. Lowe is 35… Burnett and Sheets together may add up to one season, unless we’re lucky. Garland fills a role and has never gotten lit up in the post season. He gives his team the shot at winning. Not saying no to burnett, sheets, and lowe. But I think Garland is a deal for 20 over 2 years or whatever. Have him start number 4.