Open Thread: A Flyer On Nelson?

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When the list of nontenders came out last Friday, the name most fans flocked too was Ty Wigginton, and rightfully so. The ex-Met had a career year last year, putting up a 128 OPS+ and clubbing 23 homers as the team’s regular third baseman until taking over leftfield for the injured Carlos Lee in August. With the Yanks in need of a utility man to replace, or at least compliment Cody Ransom, Wigginton would be an ideal fit. The problem is that he’d be hella expensive (he made $4.35M and has no reason to take a pay cut) and would likely opt for a full-time gig elsewhere (hellooooooo Twins) instead of sitting on the bench of the Yanks. So while most focused on Wiggington, another name grabbed my attention: ex-Marlins’ righty Joe Nelson.

You might be saying who, and that’s perfectly fine. Nelson didn’t reach the big leagues until age 26 (in 2001), when he made a 2 IP cameo from the Braves. Three years late he threw 2.2 IP for the Red Sox. Two years after that, at age 31, Nelson finally stuck in the big leagues with the Royals, finishing the 2006 season as their closer when Ambi Burgos was demoted to Triple-A. Unfortunately for Nelson, he torn his labrum late in the year, was designated for assignment, and missed all of 2007.

The Marlins grabbed him off the scrap heap, and he used his top-notch changeup to take over TEH 8Th INNiNg!11!one!! role for them after joining the team in May. His stats: 54 IP, 42 H, 60 K, 1.19 WHIP, 2.00 ERA. He showed no platoon split (.619 OPSA vs RHB, .612 vs LHB), pitched better away from the pitcher friendly confines of Dolphins Stadium (2.60 ERA at home, 1.37 on the road), and generated swings-and-missed on 27.6% of the pitches that hitters offered at (Tim Lincecum was at 25.9%). The Marlins did not tender him a contract because they didn’t want to pay him the $800,000 he was asking for, so now he’s shopping his services on the free agent market.

I wouldn’t have taken the time to write this post if I didn’t think Nelson would be a solid addition to the Yanks pen. While it was a strength for them last year, the natural volatility of relievers means back-up plans are needed. Plus it would be nice to have another veteran guy back there; you can’t run Mo, Marte and five kids out there every night. If he’s down for a minor league deal (12-14 teams have already been on him) with an invite to Spring Training, why not?

Use this as your open thread for tonight. Talk Joe Nelson, Browns-Iggles, Knicks-Suns, whatever. Just keep it civil.

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  • Lanny

    Guys like this are where you also got to flex the financial muscle. It’s not just with the top echelon guys.

    They could be making a big mistake relying on young pen guys who were solid a season ago. I can see not going long years and $’s on free agents but one yr deals for guys like Nelson is good biz.

  • Raf

    go for it. sounds like it could be a good move for a cheap contract.
    the importance of TEh 8th InNiNg cannot be understated lol.

  • Reggie

    Does anyone think that Teixeira will sign before Christmas, like he said he hoped to?

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      Does anyone think that Teixeira will sign before Christmas, like he said he hoped to?

      I don’t. I think Boras will drag this out to Mid-January. Don’t forget, Manny is also a Boras client, so the bigger contract Boras can get for Tex, the bigger contract he can get for Manny.

  • BigBlueAL

    Nelson and Lindstrom were nasty as hell for the Marlins pen. If they hadnt stuck with Gregg as the closer for so long after he imploded after the All-Star break the Marlins mightve been able to hang in the NL East race a bit longer.

  • AndrewYF

    Is Nelson able to be optioned to the minors?

    If not, why block other, cheaper, younger, more fungible relievers? Nelson is going to be 34 years old, with one good season in the majors, and in the NL to boot. You say the Yankees “can’t” run Mo, Marte, and 5 kids out there, why not? That’s actually better than what they started with last year, with Mo, Farnsworth, and 5 kids, and that worked out absolutely beautifully. I believe the first blown save was actually Joba, against Cleveland. They tired down the stretch, with Veras regressing significantly, but that bullpen lost Bruney for a sizeable chunk of the year, and lost Albaladejo for all but 13.2 innings, and still put up a 3.79 ERA (and that includes Hawkins’ 5.77 garbage).

    I’d much rather see what Coke, Robertson, Melancon, Albaladejo, Sanchez et al can do before turning to a 34 year old guy who happened to perform well for the first time in his career in balmy, pressure-free Florida.

    • AndrewYF

      I’m sorry. I didn’t read the last line. Of course a minor-league contract is fine. Zero risk.

      I’d be against a major-league, $2 million deal. That would just reek of another LaTroy.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Oh yeah, of course. ML deal is out of the question.

  • Ivan

    Yo Mike,

    Would the Sox if they sign Tex trade Lars Anderson for some catching help? Whats your perspective?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Luckily for them, David Ortiz isn’t getting any younger, so they’ll have an open DH spot soon enough. I think they’ll trade excess pitching for catching help. I’d rather have Lars than any realistically available catcher out there.

      • Ivan

        Even Flowers?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Yep, even Flowers.

  • Bob Michaels

    I`d pass.

  • X-Man(Angel)

    Taveras and Nelson

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      For the upteenth time, no on Taveras. He’s horrible. The Yanks already have plenty of centerfield options capable of OPSing .668, which happens to be Taveras’ career mark.

      • Steve H

        Mike, on your quiz to gain access to RAB, please add if you think Willy Taveras is a useful player to the Joba in teh 8th inning question.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        Plus he made almost $2 mil last year, and would likely be looking for a raise. Gardner and/or Melky should be able to duplicate his #’s at a fraction of the cost.

        Mike, fangraphs had a nice write up on Chris Burke. Worth a look for the utility guy?

      • pounder

        Jerry Mumphrey is still available. LOL

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Why in the hell do people like Willy Taveras?

      • Kyle Farnsworth

        young fast and on MLB08 the show hes very good for some reason just thought i would put that out there

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

          Yeah he is rated way too highly in that game, I’ve noticed.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Why in the hell do people like Willy Taveras?

        Because he’s the Dominican Scott Podsednik. And everyone loves Scott Podsednik, he’s awesome with his steals and his clutchitude and his scraptasticability.

        • Steve H

          And his wife is smoking hot.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Pic? I can’t find one.

            • Steve H

              I meant Podsednik’s wife not Taveras, not sure if I was clear. But either way enjoy. Funny thing is, I found this pic on a post comparing Ellsbury to Podsednik.

              Scott Podsednik’s minor league line is .266 / .345 / .348; Jacoby Ellsbury’s is .313 / .389 / .425
              Yeah, but can Dreamboat score a wife like this?

              http://img.photobucket.com/alb.....dergan.jpg

  • Jake H

    I wouldn’t mind getting the guy on a deal. Really while I like Veras is he going to be dominate again next year or revert back to the guy who couldn’t sniff a job? Also Edwar is a great story but is he going to be able to locate his FB on the corners so that his change up is effective?

  • Ivan

    Isn’t Nelson the same type of pitcher alla Edwar? Doesn’t Edwar has like a better Change-up?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Nelson:

      fastball: 65.2% of all pitches, avg 89.6 mph
      change: 32.7%, 79.2 mph

      Edwar:

      fastball: 53.8%, 89.7 mph
      change: 36.1%, 79.1 mph

      So yeah, it looks like their stuff is extremely similar. It appears Nelson trusts his fastball a bit more though.

      • Steve H

        But is his change as deceptive as Edwar’s? Just because they throw it the same speed doesn’t mean they are comparable. Fastball sure, but the change is all about whether the hitter can see it coming or not. Clearly Edwar’s change is top notch. Maybe Nelson just trusts his change less, as opposed to trusting his fastball more.

        • Sweet Dick Willie

          Just because they throw it the same speed doesn’t mean they are comparable.

          That comment applies equally to their fastballs. Edwar must throw the straightest FB in MLB, because it seems to get hit pretty hard (and I can’t believe he hits 90mph).

          • TheLastClown

            He’s definitely hit 90, 91, in several games Ive seen

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        I love Edwar. If he could just polish that fastball, he’d be much more consistent/better.

        His K/rate is fantastic, just needs to bring down the walks and improve the fastball so dudes don’t just sit on the change.

        • AndrewYF

          He did this last season. He was a valuable reliever, whose overall numbers are marred by three extremely bad outings.

  • E-ROC

    Joe Nelson, Takashi Saito, and Jairo Cuevas along with Ty Wigginton sounds good to me.

    • whozat

      When there are multiple teams out there who still need a starting 3B, and the only other option is the perennially injured Joe Crede…don’t plan on Ty Wigginton signing to sit on the bench behind ARod, Damon, Nady, Cano and Swish. His best shot at playing time is taking ABs at positions that he really doesn’t play very much, if at all (RF and 1B).

      • E-ROC

        I figured the Twins and Indians will give him millions to start. I still want’em on the team though.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Yes, yes, who the hell is that, nah. Wigginton costs way too much for a bench player.

      • Raf

        have there been any rumblings about teams interested in Saito?

      • E-ROC

        I don’t know that guy either. I just thought it would be cool to mention his name, lol.

    • Evan

      Why would Nelson take a minor league deal? If Krazy Kyle can get 9 mil, some team will give him a real contract.

      • Kyle Farnsworth

        What did you call me? *throwing glove*

  • E-ROC

    Don’t you just hate when your truck or suv gets stuck in 4WD? That pissed me off today. Fortunately, when I prayed to MO!!!!!, my 4WD disengaged. PRAISE BE TO MO!!!!!

    • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

      You’re really stretching the bounds of this open thread, lol.

      • E-ROC

        I try….

    • UWS

      Praise be to Mo. Mosanna, mosanna, mosanna in the highest.

      /tsjc

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Mo it is written, Mo it shall be done.

  • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

    He’ll get a ML deal somewhere. Maybe if he was an under-the-radar kind of guy I’d say yes, but if there are 12 teams interested I don’t see the Yankees getting a bargain.

  • Kyle Farnsworth

    According to mlbtraderumors.com 11 teams are intrested in daniel cabrera, possibly the Yankees? my opinnion if he would sign to a minor league deal we could try to work out his problems(highly unlikely)

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      my opinnion if he would sign to a minor league deal we could try to work out his problems(highly unlikely)

      I’m sure every team in the league has thought about that.

      • Ryan S.

        As long as Cabrera doesn’t play in the AL East, I am happy. Even if our team is of the exact same quality as it was last year, we’ve probably netted a couple wins simply because we don’t have to face Burnett or Cabrera anymore.

        • Reggie C.

          Three posts in, someone named “Reggie” made a Tex signing inquiry. C’mon dude…don’t hijack my name.

          There’s only room for me: Reggie C.

          • http://poormansanalyst.wordpress.com/ dan

            There are like 12 Steves. Someone comments here like once a month as dan, and it annoys the shit out of me.

            • Steve

              There is only one Steve.

              The rest of them are all pretenders to the throne.

              • Steve H

                I beg to differ.

                At the very least us Steve’s are smart enough to differentiate our names. Can’t say the same for some of those inferior named people.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  For some reason, I felt compelled to comment on this.

                  That is all.

                • Steve H

                  I know the reason. You’re a closeted Steve hiding behind the TSJC cloak aren’t you?

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Sorry, nope. It’s actually Eric.

        • Reggie C.

          And i’m an idiot. Sorry Ryan. Didn’t mean to hit “reply” on my previous post.

          • Ryan S.

            Its all good Reg. I mess up on this forum like that all the damn time.

  • steve (different one)

    i’d be more concerned about going with “5 kids” in the bullpen if there weren’t several reinforcements waiting in AAA.

    Mo, Marte, Bruney, Veras, Edwar, Albadalejo, and maybe a long man like Aceves?

    is it fair to say that is how they could start the season?

    from there, they still have Melancon, Robertson, and Coke. after that, Hungry Hungry Humberto, Texeira, and maybe Cox.

    if Nelson would take a minor league deal or sign cheaply, sure. but if he’s going to cost real money, i think he’d be a luxury.

    • radnom


      Hungry Hungry Humberto

      I like this.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        As do I.

        In a related story, radnom, I challenge you to a game of Ravenous, Ravenous Rhinos.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      from there, they still have Melancon, Robertson, and Coke. after that, Hungry Hungry Humberto, Texeira, and maybe Cox.

      Although, hopefully, both Coke and Hungry Hungry Humberto (HHH for short?) will be successfully transitioned into starters…

      • jsbrendog

        Trile H. sold.

        and there can be only one! JSbrendog

  • Ryan S.

    If I were the Yanks, I’d offer him the best minor league deal out there and see if he bites. If he does, great, let’s see how he does in ST. If he gets a major league deal, then whatever, who cares?

    • AndrewYF

      “Hey Joe, we know the Indians are offering you a deal, but what if we offered you a deal and this delicious plate of cookies?”

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        River Ave. Hookers.

  • Manimal

    Will the yankees ever make a Tex offer?

    • Matt12

      I’ve been thinking about that, why don’t we offer him a more team friendly deal and see what happens? If I’m Mark Teixeira, and I’m weighing offers from the Nationals and the Orioles, and the Yankees step up and offer say, 18 – 20 Million over 6-8 years or something, I’d rather sign with the Yankees because they’re much more likely to win, and the few million less would be worth it for that, because what’s the point of playing if you’re not in it to win it, right?

      Of course, the Red Sox and Angels still lurk out there, but why pass on him when we can offer him that kind of deal? If he turns it down, at least we made an offer…

    • Reggie C.

      I think the more pressing question is which of the supposed offers made to Tex are true? Are any true? Have the Angels indeed offered 8 years? With the newest rumor being about an upcoming RS offer, the smoke only thickens. Yanks aren’t likely to bid in this hazy situation. IF we wade in, it’ll be when Tex is considering the final, best offers.

      • Ryan S.

        Bryan Hoch was guessing (and I’d agree), that we will wait until the Red Sox make a real offer, and if they’re looking like the place he goes to, we swoop in, punch Theo in the mouth, and make the highest bid.

        • Reggie C.

          That would rock. Thats how Cash should play it. I still fear that the Angels will pull out the Tex ‘stakes. If so, the RS are the likely winners but there’s no reason why we can’t make the RS bleed money on this one. Its not really a Pyrrhic victory for the RS b/c they do have young, cheap players, but its a form of payback for sure.

          • Ryan S.

            If Boston get Tex, I see us getting Manny this year and Matt Holiday next year. Kinda seems like we’re going for broke, and why not? If ever we had a WIN RIGHT NOW kind of team, its now.

            • Ivan

              Neva make moves out of reaction of what the other team did.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                … but if they’re good moves, ultimately it won’t matter if they were made “out of reaction” or not.

                • Steve H

                  Kinda like Plax carrying a gun after Steve Smith got robbed?

                  ehhh, maybe not

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I’ll give you points for trying.
                  As well as points for bringing up Plax shooting himself in the thigh. I don’t think I’ll EVER get tired of bringing that up, apropos of nothing…

                • pounder

                  Plax killed the Giants season,don’t ever mention him here again or I will pull out the remaining strands of hair that are valiantly fighting the good fight on my bulbous dome.
                  Also,anybody interested in Andruw Jones instead of Mike Cameron ???

          • Mike P

            Great theory except for one small inconvenience. How do you know if/when/what the Red Sox offer? Boras? The media? I doubt they have spies high up in Boston and also doubt the Sox would trumpet any contract offer to the public.

            Bottom line, bidding in an information vacuum is dangerous. It’s not reaaly an option.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Will the yankees ever make a Tex offer?

      WHY THE FUCK IS MY BURRITO TAKING THIS LONG TO COOK IN THIS MICROWAVE!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

  • Ryan S.

    Despite the negative headline at the top of this Rob Neyer article, he actually ends up giving us props overall.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....=neyer_rob

    What does RAB think?

    • Greg G.

      What bugs me about that article is not Neyer’s comments, but the article he cites, in which the argument is made that signing Burnett is a move similar to the “late-80s Yankees model”.

      First, Burnett will be 32 on Opening Day. He’s not exactly Tommy John or Rick Rhoden or John Candelaria.

      Second, I passionately rooted for those God-awful teams. I remember the day that we traded for Steve Trout, when Andy Hawkins pitched a no-hitter and lost, and when the “youth movement” meant guys like Clay Parker, Chuck Cary, and Jeff Johnson.

      I know I’m just a biased fan, and I never followed stats all that closely back in the 80s. Moreover, I’m not thrilled with the length of Burnett’s contract, given his injury risk, but you’d be hard-pressed to convince me that a pitcher of A.J. Burnett’s upside is anywhere close to the names mentioned above.

      /rant

      There, now I feel much better.

      • Ryan S.

        If it makes you feel any better, Keith Law (also of espn.com), has high praise for Burnett – so does Bill James, as this blog pointed out in an earlier post today. There is no doubt that Burnett has an absurd upside, and you can only hope we get the most out of him.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          I don’t like the five years, I think it’s at least two, maybe three years too many. However, at least Burnett has a chance and the ability to be truly great. This isn’t Carl Pavano, who only had the chance to be pretty good, but not great.

          • Ryan S.

            Fortunately, the Yanks have 3 pitchers on their staff who each could be #1 on quite a few rotations. Burnett doesn’t need to carry the team, just contribute. Even if he goes on a DL stint this year, if he is healthy and we make it to October, I like our chances in any game he starts, especially if he’s locked in.

            • Greg G.

              Thanks Ryan and Mike. I agree with both of you.

              I have no problem criticizing the move, or even being totally against it (although some other Yankee bloggers have really lost their heads as far as I can tell). However, saying that it’s something the late-80s Yankees would do is just WAY off the mark.

      • Old Ranger

        when Andy Hawkins pitched a no-hitter and lost,

        ———————————

        I remember that game, it went extra innings and he lost it on an err (I think) or HR it was something in LF…I have talked to others about that game. But for some reason I only remember something happened in left field. Enlighten me if you would, he was a great hitter also. I go back a very long way, from the good times of the late ’40 through the very bad years. 27/09.

        • Greg G.

          Here it is!

          http://www.baseball-reference......7010.shtml

          The critical error was made in the bottom of the eighth, by a rookie left-fielder named Jim Leyritz.

          For whatever reason, I remember that error vividly. Lost it in the sun. If that game didn’t epitomize the 1990 Yankees, I don’t know what did. Utter futility.

        • Nickel

          I seem to remember Jim Leyritz (who I think was in left field for some reason) losing a ball in the sun, and then Jesse Barfield also losing a ball in the sun shortly after. My memory of this is a bit cloudy as well. Little help?

        • pounder

          Not a No-No. Rule changed a few years ago,must be nine innings.Also, Sammy Sosawas in that line-up,and looked like I did when I was a skinny kid.

  • Kidwithanopinion

    How much money would they have to pay.

  • Nickel

    When I first read the title of this thread, my first thought was, “Why the heck would the Yankees want to sign Jeff Nelson again?”

    • pat

      haha me too

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Glad to hear I’m not the only one who was trippin on that…

  • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

    Wow. Check out this link: http://www.boston.com/sports/c.....g_con.html

    clearly Boston bias.

    • Ivan

      That list is retarted.

      Igawa is bad but he’s far from the top 5 worst pitching contracts.

      You can’t put Burnett there cuz of the fact that the guy hasn’t even thrown a fuckin pitch and etc. Is he worth the money, no way but you can’t jump to that conclusion.

      Plus, you can’t have a worst pitching contract list without Hampton and Pavano.

      • radnom

        I think the list is referring to current pitching deals, so Hampton/Pavano etc. would not apply.

        But yeah, ghey.

    • pat

      he hasn’t approved any comments which means they’re probably all yankee fans calling him on his bullshit.

    • Greg G.

      Having lived in Boston for three years, I can say that that list is fairly balanced, by Boston Globe standards. If it were REALLY biased, then all 5 entries would involve the Yankees.

      :-)

      • radnom

        I happened to come upon a free copy on Fridays Globe on the T today to find an article by Bob Ryan explaining how the $161 contract was a slap in the face to common people considering the tough economic times, and where he explained that CC was represented by Scott Boras.
        No mention of a bigger Texiera contract being offered by the Sox of course….

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Did he really say CC was rep’d by Boras? Because I’ll find the article and call him out on it. I don’t want to spend the time looking for it if I don’t have too.

          • Steve H

            Ask and you shall receive.

            CC isn’t The Babe, although the Bush-Hoover analogy has some merit. But the big southpaw is represented by the ham-handed Scott Boras, whose blind fidelity to his baseball clients sometimes leads him to make indefensibly arrogant and infuriating statements. Get back to me if you can unearth any Boras comment this week acknowledging the frightening economic times we live in. All he ever talks about is how much revenue there is in baseball and how deserving his clients are. He doesn’t understand that sometimes we don’t need to hear that.

            http://www.boston.com/sports/b.....nd/?page=2

            • Greg G.

              It’ll be funny to see Ryan’s column if the Sox sign Teixiera for $200 million.

        • Greg G.

          I like how you clarified that the copy of the Globe you read was free!

          :D

    • VO

      you know whats funny carl pavano isnt there and kei igawa is

    • Mike P

      The one I enjoyed was the way he said Burnett would be the next Clement. Not Pavano-Clement. Brilliant how he avoided bias while making a great argument!

  • Ivan

    I was lookin at the Yanks rotation and we have to have the most talented. Not saying the best but the most talented.

    CC
    Wang
    Burnett
    Joba
    Hughes(Just a guess there)

    Who can match that talent? TB?

    • Ryan S.

      Honestly, no one can. Whether that last player is Hughes, Pettitte, or Sheets, there isn’t a doubt in my mind, we have the best rotation in baseball, with one of the top bullpens in the league to back it up. Pettitte is an innings eater though, and he’d be the ideal fit as our #4.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I disagree. I still cannot call A.J. Burnett “talented”, not when his career ERA+ is 111. He’s got nasty, filthy stuff, and great potential to be dominant, but he has not yet been dominant (except for brief flashes of brilliance surrounded by prolonged stretches of mediocrity).

        Calling A.J. Burnett “talented” when his career ERA+ is lower than Derek Lowe’s, Barry Zito’s, Andy Pettitte’s, Bartolo Colon’s, Kelvim Escobar’s, and is tied with Freddy Garcia’s and Todd Jones’s is something I’m not prepared to do.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          I disagree, respectfully of course. You don’t need to do anything more than watch AJ warm up in the pen to realize he’s “talented.” I don’t think anyone could make an argument that the guy isn’t “talented.”

          “Productive,” now that’s something else entirely. The guy has oodles of talent, more than he knows what to do with, but he hasn’t consistently used that talent to get results.

          • Steve H

            Sidney Ponson was “talented” once upon a time. Give me production.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            You don’t need to do anything more than watch AJ warm up in the pen to realize he’s “talented.”

            Why, because he throws 98 MPH? In that case, Kyle Farnsworth is “talented”.

            Because he’s got a nice curve? Then Barry Zito is “talented”.

            I stand by my statement. A.J. Burnett has filthy stuff and excellent potential. But he’s not yet shown himself to be “talented”. Pitching is a “talent”. The ability to throw a baseball hard is nothing more than the ability to throw a baseball hard.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              Dude, throwing a baseball hard is a talent. Spinning a breaking ball is a talent. It’s not a learned ability, you are either born able to do or not. All ML pitchers are talented, if they weren’t, then they wouldn’t be in the bigs. Pitching is a learned ability; no one is born with the knowledge of how to set up hitter or change speeds. You learn that as you gain experience. That’s why they have pitching coaches and video tape.

              Being productive is something completely different. AJ Burnett has talent, but he hasn’t produced consistent results with it yet.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Mr. Snarky Irrelevant Non Sequitur Jones a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Okay, fine, fair enough. We’ll agree to disagree. We apparently view the words “talent” and “ability” with different denotative meanings.

  • LeftyLarry

    I think this is the best Yankee Bullpen in years.
    Mariano- Lights out
    Bruney- most under rated reliever in baseball
    Veras- was hitting 97 at the end
    Aceves- Perfect long man who can start if injuries occur.
    Edar R- I don’t believe in him but others do.
    Dave Robertson- Showed me a lot as a beginner, can he take it up a notch?
    Geise- doesn’t cost anything and can give you cheap innings.
    Melancon- Absolutley sounds like a can’t miss set up man/CLoser in the very near future.

    Lefty’s
    Marte- Wost case solid MLB reliever- i expect improvement.
    Coke- How can you not believe in him? He was throwing 95 has control and a nasty Curveball that lefties won’t touch.
    Dunn- He could be ready quickly as a port side reliever soon.

    • Ivan

      I sorta have to disagree with ya.

      Veras is iight but he ain’t all that. Still has suspect control and pitch a little bit over his head.

      I like Bruney but still can struggle with his control and lacks a true go to secondary pitch.

      I think your underrating Edwar here. Guys with a secondary out pitch like coming out if the pen are really rare. His change-up is in the ten heck maybe 5 in baseball and is just FB command away from being REALLY Good.

      Robertson and Melancon has tremendous upside no doubt.

      Marte/Coke have the potential to be a terrfic lefty/lefty combo.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

        I have a feeling Jose Veras is going to blow up in a very bad way this season. He had a 3.59 ERA, but his WHIP was 1.405. That’s a bit of luck.

        But, his FIP was 3.98 so it’s not a HUGE difference and his tRA (cool stat from StatCorner.com that takes the run values of each batting result into account) was 4.33, good for a tRA+ of 103 (same scale as ERA+). So maybe i’m wrong.

        • Reggie C.

          Speak english dude.

          “tRA+” ???

          I didn’t even know there was a “trA” ..

        • AndrewYF

          I agree with you. I’ve never liked Veras as a setup, or even a seventh-inning guy.

          I do like him as a guy who can give you two solid innings whenever you want, and don’t necessarily mind giving up a run.

          But I really did not like the Yankees relying on him in the end. It’s really too bad Bruney got injured last year, he really could have had a true breakout season.

        • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

          I’ve been feeling exactly the same way.

  • VO

    8:48pm: Tyler Kepner of the New York Times spoke to people involved with the deal and he gets the feeling that “the Yankees are backing away” for baseball reasons, not financial ones. Kepner adds that the Yankees know they don’t have to make this trade immediately if they don’t want to

    good move by the yankees this trade will still probablly get done but maybe the brewers will throw in bill hall (not tht i really want him but thats who everyone is talking about)just to make us get this trade done already

    • Ryan S.

      I get the feeling the “baseball reasons” are actually Teixeira and Manny.

      • VO

        could be thats 10 million they can use towards a contract

    • Reggie C.

      “baseball reasons” means Cash and co. read last night’s “HOLD OFF ON CAMERON DEAL” post by Joe P. RAB is shaking things up.

  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    Wow, Ca$hmoney must really treat RAB as gospel: http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....on-ya.html

    Kepner adds that the Yankees know they don’t have to make this trade immediately if they don’t want to.

    Sound familiar?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      We usually don’t like to toot our own horn here at RAB, but … toot toot.

      • Old Ranger

        Well deserved guys! 27/09.

  • http://jobatheheat jobatheheat

    Question what do you think it would take to get Hunter Pence fom the Astros. You know they need good pitching and they have no money.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Well, he had a down year but I think the ‘Stros would probably want something good in return; Pence has tons of talent and upside.

    • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt

      Plus, I feel like Houston won’t sell low on him just like the Yankees won’t with Cano.

    • VO

      as matt said hes basically the astros cano in a sense, we would need to put together a serious package involoving a bunch of players

  • VO

    Tom Krasovic of the San Diego Union-Tribune has a quote from Padres CEO Sandy Alderson regarding Jake Peavy:

    “It’s likely Jake will be with us Opening Day. We said from the very beginning in connection with both of those possibilities that we would not make a trade unless it made baseball sense. We are no longer actively pursuing any trade for Jake, which is not to say someone won’t approach us.”

    sorry 65hughes

    • Balls Deep

      Do you think Peavy has the stuff for the AL? Haven’t seen much of him except highlights; reminded me of Doc Halladay… some nasty stuff.

      • VO

        Well his era in the NL west was 2.85 the american league is a much more difficult league i would predict a 3.35 era he has the stuff but he wouldnt be an ace

        • Balls Deep

          Even at 3.50 or so; all good…who did Yanks originally rumor to send in the 15 minutes they were involved here… Kennedy/Melky/slew of AA and AAA?

          • VO

            i thought it was more i thought jackson was involved? but i may be mistaken

          • Steve H

            3.50 is extremely generous though. His ERA on the road this year was 4.28. That’s still the NL. For his career his road era is 3.80, a full run higher than his home era. And again, that’s 3.80 in the NL. For him to be a better pitcher in the AL then he was in the NL on the road would be shocking.

      • http://liberalmusings.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

        definitely. but his elbow strain + odd mechanics worry me.

  • MasterShake

    Was wondering what Mad Dog was up to now and then I found this video…its painful to watch…

    http://nbcsports.msnbc.com/id/.....4#28240791