Musings on Adam Dunn

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As baseball rapidly approaches the two-week mark until Spring Training, a few potential impact players remain unsigned. One of them is a 29-year-old with a career OBP/SLG of .381/.518 who has hit 40 or more home runs five seasons running.

Among some Yankee fans, signing Adam Dunn would cap off what has been an excellent off-season. Today, Buster Olney chimed in:

Dunn might draw interest from the Yankees, a team for which he is perfectly suited, if they could shed the contracts of two of Xavier Nady, Hideki Matsui and Nick Swisher. Abreu, Dunn and Varitek can go someplace and bust it for one year, and if they have strong seasons, they can hope the economic troubles will have less bearing on the market next offseason than they have this winter.

If that argument — that Dunn should wait a year — sounds familiar, that’s because iYankees pontificated on it last week. With the Yankee outfield picture unsettled beyond 2009, Dunn could land himself a deal from the Bombers in about ten months’ time.

Of course, Dunn’s defense raises some eyebrows, but his bat is not in doubt. The Yanks could probably move one of Nady or Swisher if they’re willing to take a less-than-ideal return. They probably can’t move the less-than-healthy Hideki Matsui, and they probably don’t want to move both Swisher and Nady. An outfield of Damon-Melky/Gardner-Dunn doesn’t inspire much confidence.

But Adam Dunn is a tempting target for the Yanks, and until he signs, he’ll be on the periphery of Yankee interest. If the price is right, they just might pounce.

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  • Benny Blanco from the Bronx

    .225 career risp. .214 career risp with 2 outs…. not good.

    • Steve H

      .225/.416/.474 with risp.

      .214/.440/.443 with risp, 2 outs.

      Remember, the goal of a batter is to not make outs. In these two situations, Dunn makes outs at and extremely low rate. This is a good thing.

      • Mike

        Dunn would be a great fit at DH in 09. He is not a RF and putting him in LF only means that Damon would most likely have to man RF….not a good idea.

        With ST only two weeks out, has anhyone brought up the idea of briningin ManRam for a similar one year deal…his market seems just about popped too. Who knows sign both and have one wicked bench if you cant move Nady/Swish/Matsui. Manny for 10mil and Dunn for 5mil. The extra 15 helps protects from injury and gives you one wicked benchplus a few trades can replenish the farm system.

    • History Teacher

      I’ve heard that Dunn doesn’t even enjoy playing the game of baseball. Does anyone know if there is any truth to that?

      Also… explain to me how we could dump Nady AND Matsui? Nady I can see going (although I like the way he plays the game), but who would take Matsui with a no-trade clause?


      • JCP

        sounds like a history teacher

        – a science teacher

      • Nick


        No we don’t and no he isn’t. McClouth had 1/2 a good season before falling off. His defense is also extremely overrated. We’d have to trade way too much to get a mediocre player. PASS.

    • Mick

      Dunn is the last thing the Yankees need. He can’t field, run or make contact with a baseball. That is a nightmare on a team with older players that will need to DH. He is not clutch. This is a real baseball team and not fantasy which you obdviously play to have written this blog. These types of players belong in beer league soft ball games.

  • keith

    “An outfield of Damon-Melky/Gardner-Dunn doesn’t inspire much confidence.”

    Dunn may be below average in the OF, but Damon projects to be avg to above avg in left. So do Melky/Gardner. I’d say the ugliest thing about that OF is the CF bat.

  • Dan W

    225/.416/.474 with risp.

    .214/.440/.443 with risp, 2 outs.

    Remember, the goal of a batter is to not make outs. In these two situations, Dunn makes outs at and extremely low rate. This is a good thing.

    I disagree….the goal with RISP is to get the runner in.

    Also look up Adam Dunn’s Sac Fly totals…..amazing

    • Steve H

      So if Adam Dunn gets on base, doesn’t that give the team an opportunity to score more runs? What about the guy hitting behind him? If he gets on base, it’s also better for the team. The more people that get on base, the more runs you’re going to score.

      • Jim Bowden

        Wait, is this REALLY how this all works?

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I thought we weren’t doing that anymore?

          • Joseph P.

            We’re not. This is a regular, though, so I assume he just didn’t get the memo.

            • Jay CT

              My fault. Figures, the one time I tried that stupid thing, lol…

      • Ed

        Runner on 3rd, no outs.

        A sac fly gets you one run and one out. It leaves you in a bad position for scoring multiple runs.

        A walk leaves you in a very good position to score multiple runs, but also leaves open the possibility of scoring no runs.

        Which one is more valuable depends on the situation. Most of the time the walk gives you a better chance to win, but if you’re losing in a close game, the sac fly helps you more.

        • Joey

          Ed, I see what your getting at, but if the hitter walks, the sac fly is still in order, and the chance for multiple runs increases. Getting on base (which includes circling them) without scoring an out is the most valuable thing you can contribute offensively.

  • Pat Kelly

    If the Yankees were somehow able to get rid of 1 of Swisher or nady and then Matsui to boot. You would see Manny in the Bronx faster than you can say Murderers Row Part 2

    • Jay CT

      Nah, I disagree. I think the whole Manny idea is the fans only saying it. Years, attitude, money, all do not fit into what the Yankees are thinking.

  • The Ghost of Darrell Rasner

    I thought the Three True Outcomes guys typically declined rapidly as they aged. I could take a 1 year deal, but I don’t know about long term.

  • Mike Pop

    Best thing would probably be if he signs a 1 year deal and then we make a run at him in 2010. Of course we will get him if we really want him.

    • Mike Pop

      Well best thing would be for Cashman to dump Matsui and sign Dunn. But this is harder than it sounds.

  • Phil in LA

    Dunn would be a monster hitting 5th in the Yankee line-up. I’ve been on this bandwagon for a few years.

  • The Third Yip-Yip

    No Maas put it perfectly: Dump Matsui for chump change (i.e. pick up his salary) and sign Dunn cheap. Better production, better health. Done deal.

    • Mike Pop

      Gauranteed responses to this:

      Why wouldn’t the team trading for Matsui just sign Dunn.

      Noone wants Matsui!!!

      • The Ghost of Darrell Rasner

        Because to some other team, in this situation, Matsui would be cheaper since the Yanks would be picking up salary.

        • Jay CT

          I still honestly think that there may be some publicity derived team that would take Matsui. If Matsui agreed, and the Yankees ate some contract, I could see a small-mid market team taking him on for a year because of the foreign seas press, and also because he is a gamble that has upside, not like Griffey who is Dunn (see what I did there?)

          • Mike Pop


      • Bruno

        Plus Dunn’s a FA, if he doesn’t want to sign there he won’t. Same goes for Matsui of corse (NTC).

      • The man with 33 fingers

        I agree that a team in a vacuum would just sign Dunn, but I would think that Matsui would be a profitable addition to any team on the west coast that has a large Japanese-American population. (Seattle – San Fran – Oakland – LA)

        After all, he is Godzilla.

    • Ams223

      Don’t you mean dunn deal

  • Short Porch

    Trade Nady for a decent back up catcher. Sign Dunn. He and Swisher, with Damon as well, and a (hopefully healthy) Posada will just wear out pitchers. P/PA for the team would be outstanding.

    • Steve H

      Nady for a decent backup catcher? Really? I’m not the biggest Nady fan in the world, but come on, if they move him he will bring way more than a backup catcher.

      • Jay CT

        I agree. Nady has some real value. He is one of the few right handed hitters that is available. We gave up Tabata to get him. Trading him for a backup catcher sounds ridiculus to me.

    • Ben K.

      They traded Jose Tabata and a potential top-10 prospect pitcher to the Pirates for Nady. They’re not going to give him up for *just* a “decent back up catcher.”

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Ben, who/what they traded for Nady then should have no bearing for who/what they trade Nady for now.

        And the trade was not Nady for Tabata straight up, that’s disingenuous.

        • Jay CT

          I agree, but Nady was still a big part of that deal. And it does matter what they gave up for him. They obviously thought quite highly of him, and he really did nothing to sway that opinion. So why dump him for a bag of balls now, unless you have to for financial reasons, in which they still wouldn’t sign Dunn cause of the same financial reasons.

          • Jay CT

            To clarify, normally I agree it doesn’t matter who you gave up. I just think in this case, it does. Kind of like how I feel no team is going to give up too much more then what Cashman did to get Swisher, since he has not improved his stats since last season in the time the Yankees have had him.

            • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Dealing Swisher within the same offseason that he was acquired is a bad comp for dealing for Nady midseason vs. dealing Nady away 2 weeks before spring training of the subsequent season.

              Not enough time has past nor enough scene-altering events have transpired to change the variables enough. And you’re dealing with two different realtimes: In-season realtime vs. offseason realtime.

          • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside


            That deal then was made for different reasons, and by a different Yankees team with different priorities, than the deals we’d be making now for the team we’re constructing now.

            They thought quite highly of him AND MARTE then because they didn’t have Nick Swisher; Hideki and Posada were both injured; there were 3 or 4 holes in the lineup; they were looking for lefties in the bullpen; Melky was hitting .247/.302/.345, Brett Gardner was a washout at the time, they were chasing the Sox and Rays, etc. etc. etc.

            That deal was done to benefit the Yankees as of July 29, 2008. Any deal done now is done in reference to the Yankees of 2009 and beyond. The circumstances have changed, so the priorities have changed, so the valuation of players has changed.

            I’ll say again: What we gave up for Nady then should have no bearing on what we will accept for Nady in a trade now.

            • Mike Pop

              100% agree. But the Yankees should just not deal him to deal him, they should only deal him if it benefits the team.

              • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                I never said they should or would.

                Just want to smash to bits the idea that Jose Tabata matters at all to the 2009 fate of Xavier Nady the Sixth.

                Nady is a valuable asset that should not be given away willy-nilly. But Jose Tabata does not enter into the equation. That’s in the past, and Mark McGwire and I aren’t here to talk about the past.

                • Jay CT

                  Again, I still think that line of thinking gets you to where the Mets were when they dealt Kazmir for Zambrano. They wanted to catch the Braves. Other starters weren’t working, etc… Too many of these deals gets you into a massive hole. I am not saying this is the same thing as the Mets, but a backup catcher (which is where this all started) is just not the right value for Nady. It is a stupid move, and I do think you need to get back what you put into a deal, otherwise you are working from the red, and you wind up out of the picture, whether it be financially, in the game, in the minor league system, etc…

                • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  You’re not arguing with me here. I never said Nady should be traded for a backup catcher. I’m against trading Nady in general, I have yet to see a deal I’d do.

                  I’m just saying that whomever Tabata is and whatever he becomes and however much we valued him back in early 2008 has no bearing on how we value Nady now. They’re two different things. Saying that what we gave up for Nady shouldn’t factor into how we price and value Nady is not in any way equitable to dumb-ass Jim Duquette giving away valuable prospects for short term fixes.

                  Not the same concepts.

            • Jay CT

              Well we will just have to agree to disagree. All of your logic is very sound, however, I think things need to be weighed out in regards to a Nady trade. If you went out and bought a house for 600,000, and then another house came along that you liked better for the same 600,000, you wouldn’t just sell your first house for 150,000 saying “Last year, I really needed that house to put a roof over my head. Now, this other house is a better deal…” Giving up Nady for a backup catcher is doing just that. If you could deal Nady for another solid prospect, then fine. But Cashman is not in this to just take a loss, which is exactly what Nady would be in this market right now. Holding onto him would give 2 draft picks next year. nady can be very useful this year. Perhaps I am not saying it right, but I think each of these guys from a buisness point of view is an investment, and yes Marte came along and is great, but Nady was a huge key to that deal. It is a bad investment to sell that low on him.

              • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Again, I’M NOT CLAIMING WE SHOULD TRADE NADY FOR A BACKUP CATCHER. I’m saying that we shouldn’t be artificially overpricing or underpricing Nady, or any other player on our roster, based on what we gave up to get them.

                That’s all.

                • Jay CT

                  So wait- you want to dela him for a backup catcher?

      • Short Porch

        Remember, Marte came in the deal as well. Hey if you can get more, by all means. Throw in an outfield prospect.

        I just think Nady is way overrated. He had a career year, but his OPS with the Yanks was below 800 and his career OPS is 335.

        Give me a backup catcher who can hit like that so that if and when Jorge can’t manage, there’s a decent option. We may need a seat warmer to last to Montero. That is not cheap.

        Who has extra catchers? SF? Tex? Thought SF wanted Nady.

  • Zach Sanders

    And pounce they should

  • Short Porch

    And Tiexiera and A-Rod of course. Matsui can battle you too.

    Only Cano/Melky would evne be an issue, with Cano at 3.3 and Melky at 3.65, which is not bad at all. Gardner would do well in this category as well.

    We want the starter at 100 pitches by the 5th.

  • Matt

    Here’s to hoping he gets a one year deal somewhere, Matsui’s gone, bring Damon back for a year or two.

    Damon/Gardner/Swisher in the OF, AJax as the 4th OF to get some experience but not a “sink or swim” which could kill him, Dunn as the DH.



    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Boom goes the dynamite

    • Ryan S.

      If its at all possible, I’d rather sign Dunn right now to a 3 year deal and tolerate the potential quagmires it might create.

      BOOM indeed.

      • Steve H

        Giggitty Giggitty, alright.

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        “If its at all possible, I’d rather sign Dunn Mannyright now to a 3 year deal and tolerate the potential quagmires it might create.
        BOOM indeed.”


        • Ryan S.

          If we can make room for ManRam then holy shit. Rodriguez-Ramirez-Teixeira would be a historic 3/4/5. That would be more of a “mushroom cloud” than a “boom”.

          • Mike Pop

            In the bottom of the 4th Manny, Arod, and Tex were coming to bat and I jizzed in my pants.

            • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              In the bottom of the 4th Manny, Arod, and Tex were coming to bat and I jizzed in my pants Diasuke Matsuzaka crapped in his pants.


            • Andy In Sunny Daytona

              I got that one Mike.

  • GG

    Anyone think that since Andy is back in the fold Cashman continues his MVP season and rekindles the Mike Cameron talks for a reliable CF vet in Melky’s roster spot?

    • A.D.

      no, I’d guess that ship has sailed

  • Matt

    But, yeah, if they can somehow move Matsui, Dunn’d better be the DH come April.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Assuming Dunn even wants to be DH.

      (I’m just saying.)

      • Matt

        That’s true. But I think the Yankees would be able to give Dunn what he deserves, not what the market has dictated so far and I think that would be a big factor…that and the chance to stick it to JP Riccardi 19 times a year.

        Even if Matsui was moved and Dunn didn’t sign, I don’t think it would be awful for the Yankees. There could be a few things they could do (this is all going to sound nuts):

        1. This would allow Posada a chance to DH when he needs a day off behind the plate. Who would the regular DH be? Not sure, probably Nady. He’s a decent hitter but his glove isn’t anything special and I’d like him at the DH spot.

        2. Abreu could be brought back to DH? This, though, leaves Nady out as the fourth OF. I’m not totally uncomfortable with that, though. Also, doing a quick check, Bobby has a pretty pronounced platoon split–.951 vs RHP, .776 vs LHP–so maybe Nady (.770 vs. RHP, .854 vs. LHP) and Abreu could be used as a platoon DH.

  • Macphisto

    I know Dunn hits 40+ HR’s consistently. But, he is another shift player that as soon as he loses his pop will be a low BA hitter killing rallies. Just like Giambi last year and likely what we will see from Ortiz this year. He will fall in love with the short porch and pull everything he can. I have seen enough of that for a while. I am looking forward to Damon/Gardner/Nady covering the OF this year.

    • A.D.

      He already pulls everything, he’s not advertised as a potential batting champion, like Big G was when we signed him

    • Matt

      “low BA hitter killing rallies.”

      But he can extend rallies by a) taking a ton of pitches and b) walking a lot. Low BA =/= “killing rallies.”

      “Just like Giambi last year”

      Except Giambi had a .376 OBP and .502 SLG. Giambi was very good for the Yankees last year.

      “I am looking forward to Damon/Gardner/Nady Swisher covering the OF this year.”


      • Macphisto

        Yeah, but look at Giambi’s numbers in key situations. 2 outs risp: .216 Close and Late: .155 Runners on 1/2:.143 Hitting in the 5 spot: .212 He was not very good last year. He hurt the team, especially when he was batting fifth. And a lot of it had to do with the shift. He never broke it and it hurt.

    • Kevin G.

      But there not going to sign him to a long-term deal and he is only 29 so he is entering his prime. He probably won’t lose his power on the Yankees.

      • Matt

        That, too.

        Am I the only one who thinks Giambi was very under-appreciated in his time in the Bronx?

        • steve (different one)

          yes and no.

          he gave a pretty decent return on his crazy contract all things considered, and was great for a few of those seasons, but at the same time he completely gets a pass for 2004.

          A-Rod takes all the blame, but replace Olerud and Clark with Giambi, and the Yankees probably win the WS.

          but since the guy destroyed his health by injecting himself with banned substances, he collected $20M to not play yet gets a complete pass from the fans.

          all because why, he’s more “fun”? better personality?

          it’s kindof horseshit.

        • Macphisto

          He definitely contributed over the years and was solid in the playoffs early on. But, I think last year was not a good year, tho, for reasons mentioned above.

          • Mike Pop

            Last year was actually a pretty good year for him in my opinion. 07, now that sucked. I’m just glad we have a REAL 1B now after all these years. No more Andy Philips’, Craig Wilson’s, and Josh Phelps’.

            • Ryan S.

              Yes, like in 2007 – where we lead the majors in bunts by 1B players. And by a wide margin.

      • Kevin G.


  • A.D.

    The issue is Dunn is most beneficial, and its more worth the Yankees time and energy to move multiple outfielders/eat Matsui’s contract if they can get Dunn for several year at todays value.

    Obviously he’s a better pure hitter than the 3, but when you toss in defense, and the money, it probably isn’t worth it to the front office.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      But, like Abreu, his defensive liability is so great that he may not truly add value over a guy like Swisher or Nady… the only upgrade Dunn serves, IMO, is over Matsui as DH. So if we’re acquiring Dunn, it should be with the intention of DH’ing him for the duration of the contract and never putting him in the field.

      And if it’s strictly Dunn the DH and not Dunn the RF, now you’re starting to worry about where to play Jorge Posada in 2010 and 2011 (assuming we give Dunn a 3 year deal) if he can’t catch.

      • Bonos

        Excellent post, that’s what Tampa did with Burrell. However they did not have a Matsui who’s a power in his own right. They scoped Matsui’s knees, didn’t amputate them.

      • Ryan S.

        but if you could get Dunn for a reasonable price (let’s say in the 3 year/$30-36MM range), isn’t he worth the trouble? If Posada can’t catch in the next year or two then oh well, I hope he enjoys rehab and sitting on the bench. I don’t thinks concerns about the future of Jorge is worth blocking a play for Dunn – his bat for the next 5 or 6 years (let alone 3) will be more valuable than Posada’s will be for the remainder of his career.

        Sure, if we were a team like the Atlanta Braves or Kansas City Royals, and we needed to be extremely prudent with our money, Dunn may not make sense. But we’re the Yankees. We can eat contracts if it means making sure we field the best possible team at all times.

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I don’t thinks concerns about the future of Jorge is worth blocking a play for Dunn – his bat for the next 5 or 6 years (let alone 3) will be more valuable than Posada’s will be for the remainder of his career.

          I’m not so sure about that. Adam Dunn has a career .383 wOBA. Jorge Posada has a career .370 wOBA. Again, we’re talking about marginal utility here. Yes, Dunn is an upgrade over Matsui the DH in 2009 and Posada the DH in 2010 and 2011, but is he enough of an upgrade to justify benching/cutting 13M Hideki Matsui in 2009 and 13.1M Jorge Posada in 2010 and 2011, in addition to the 5-10M AAV it will take to add him? Not so sure.

          Are you willing to bench 39.2M of Matsui/Posada for the upgrade in wOBA that Dunn provides over them? That’s a tall order. Don’t give me the “We’re the Yankees, we have no budget” line because we both know that isn’t true.

          Since he’s utterly atrocious in the field, you’re looking at a serious positional logjam problem here. Dunn is good, but he’s not Manny good where you can just say “Fuck it, let’s get him and figure out the details later”.

          • Ryan S.

            I guess it depends on how well you project an aging Jorge Posada and his surgically repaired arm to fare, or Matsui and his two surgically repaired knees are going to do. Keep in mind that Adam Dunn is in the prime of his career, and Posada is well past his, so its tough to expect them to put up career average numbers for the next 3 years.

            I agree, its not worth $39.2M for an increase of .013 in wOBA, that’s just retarded. I just think, even with both of their terrific 2007 campaigns not that far behind them, I have concerns about each – especially Posada. I do think Dunn is only going to be slightly better than Matsui, or Posada for that matter, in 2009. But I put a lot of value in the dependability and consistency of Adam Dunn – something that Jorge Posada isn’t going to give us for the remainder of his contract. Its a bit of a financial gamble, but at least your hedging your losses for either extreme regarding Posada (that being, either he’s worthy of catching for the next few years, or Posada loses his value at the plate from his injured shoulder).

      • A.D.

        If you look at value or runs over on the seasons we expect from Swish, hope from Nady, and a healthy Matsui has done, then its not a huge difference.

        • Ryan S.

          Isn’t Dunn easily the surest thing out of the 4 of them though? I think consistency and durability counts for quite a bit.

          • Steve H

            Just read an article/blog on from a guy who wants the Sox to get Dunn, he makes some great points.


            His career adjusted OPS of 130 is just four points lower than Teixeira’s. He’s hit at least 40 home runs in five straight seasons, and exactly 40 in the past four — how’s that for consistency? He’s the major league leader in home runs and walks over the past five years, and then there’s this: His career home run rate of one every 13.96 at-bats is fifth all time, trailing guys named McGwire, Ruth, Bonds, and Thome.

            This list of the five players most similar to Dunn at age 28 may also raise some eyebrows, if only because he isn’t often perceived as being in their stellar (if in certain cases star-crossed) company:

            1. Darryl Strawberry (brilliant in his youth)
            2. Jose Canseco (ditto)
            3. Harmon Killebrew (H of F)
            4. Rocky Colavito (better than Harvey Kuenn)
            5. Reggie Jackson (H of F)

            • Mike Pop

              Didn’t Nomaas do the same post a couple months back for the Yanks to get him?

              • Rich

                Some people wanted to acquire him at the trading deadline on July 31st.

  • Rich

    This situation points to the problem with signing marginal aging players to contract that are too long. I hope the Yankees learn in the future that it’s better to let players like Matsui and Posada walk than to give them a extra year on their contract.

  • jim

    Hal was on Michael Kay show yesterday. The two things that stood out to me were that he mentioned the budget and that they were able to sign Andy because they got creative. He also mentioned that signing Teixeira improves their defense.

    It does seem that Hal is super serious about the budget. It seems like they focus on the 5.5 figure for Andy as creative. I think this means they don’t need to move Nady or Swisher now. It also makes me think that had Andy taken the 10 million in the Fall , maybe the Yankees don’t get Teixiera.

    If this were to be true then Andy signing for 5.5 Million in the fashion he did enables the team to have Teixiera and Nady as well

    Also , the fact that the first thing Hal said about defense makes me think the Yankees are really focusing on that.

    I am curious as to what the total plus/minus fielding numbers are for the whole team as is.

    As it stands now, the Yankees have better pitching and fielding and are younger and have an opening day payroll less than last year.

    • Ryan S.

      We have a better offense too.

      -Swisher + Teixeira > Giambi + Abreu.
      -Jeter isn’t going to be playing with a damaged wrist for half the season.
      -(fingers crossed) a full season of Jorge Posada and Hideki Matsui.
      -There is reason to believe the production out of CF won’t suck quite as much.
      -Cano should put up career numbers
      -Hopefully Rodriguez doesn’t miss 20+ games (and there is no reason to expect him to go on the DL again)

      • Mike Pop

        Top 5 offense+Top 5 in ERA should lead to good things.

        • Ryan S.

          And that almost sounds like a modest projection to me.

          • Mike Pop

            Yep, I don’t think it is out of reach at all.

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside


        “Swisher + Teixeira > Giambi + Abreu”

        is like saying

        “Lauren London + Selita Ebanks > Star Jones + Ru Paul”

        • Ryan S.

          or like saying “Jacoby Ellsbury’s 2007 call-up > the rest of his career”

          and yes…that’s wishful thinking on my part.

  • KW

    I dunno. He’s kind of like Bobby Abreu, good/great bat, horrific defense. Fangraphs has him at being worth 1.8 wins, which is about $8mm. That’s not far away from Bobby, who’s worth about $5mm. I mean, pick one or the other, or in my case, neither, but please don’t think that Dunn is a rockstar and Bobby is yesterday’s tater salad.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      but please don’t think that Dunn is a rockstar and Bobby is yesterday’s tater salad.

      Funny, that’s exactly what I plan on doing. Seriously. I have a little faith that Dunn can outproduce Posada and Matsui. I have zero faith that Bobby will outproduce Posada and Matsui. Zero.

      • KW

        Outproduce from what perspective? Offense? Home Runs? Walks? OPS? Defense? Speed? There’s a lot more to a player than quoting how many times Dunn’s hit 40 hrs and OPS’d over 900. Heck, Bobby was a perennial .300/.400/.500 player until two years ago. It’s inaccurate to just look at selective totals and demonstrate a player’s worth or ability. Fangraphs has done that and both players come out to be nearly a wash.

  • Peter Lacock

    I think Adam Dunn is a shitty player. I wouldn’t even call him a player, he’s only a hitter and not a very good one. Take away his HR’s and he has nothing. His OBP is a product of the power. He does nothing else well and he’s a base clogger. I don’t want anyone on my team that can’t use a glove. I’m certain (and thankful) Brian Cashman will not even consider signing him unless he wants him on his fantasy team. It’s funny how so many get googly over a guys HR’s and ignore his other skills (or lack thereof) especially defense which, in case you want to become enlightened, is just as important. I guess, you know, chicks love the longball.

    • Mike Pop
    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Babe Ruth sucked defensively.

    • Peter Lacock

      I take it back (not all of it). He does one other thing well. He strikes out with the best in history.

      • Peter Lacock

        If Adam Dunn could become Babe Ruth, hit over .300, and pitch, bring him on. He (Dunn) will not even get a sniff from Cash. Dunn is Dave Kingman or Steve Balboni, guys that made careers out of hitting HR’s and nothing else. He’s a fantasy player, that’s why he’s still available.

        • Matt

          I’m going to assume you’re being sarcastic but in all seriousness…

          Kingman and Balboni are not fair comparisons to Dunn. They weren’t very good at getting on base, Dunn is.

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Dunn is Dave Kingman or Steve Balboni, guys that made careers out of hitting HR’s and nothing else. He’s a fantasy player, that’s why he’s still available.

          In 2008, 38.6 percent of the time he stepped up to the plate, Adam Dunn didn’t make an out. That’s better than:

          Aramis Ramirez
          Chase Utley
          Carlos Pena
          Carlos Beltran
          Magglio Ordonez
          Dustin Pedroia
          Ian Kinsler
          Grady Sizemore
          Justin Morneau
          Josh Hamilton
          Joey Votto
          Vlad Guerrero
          Adrian Gonzalez
          Derrek Lee
          Jose Reyes
          Miguel Cabrera
          Jimmy Rollins
          Jermaine Dye
          Evan Longoria
          Michael Young
          Ryan Howard

          … and countless others.

    • Steve H

      Is this tounge in cheek?

    • steve (different one)

      Take away his HR’s and he has nothing.

      i have to nominate this for the most unintentially hilarious line in RAB history.

      if you make that glossary of famous RAb quotes, this should be in there for it’s sheer….i don’t know, insanity?

  • kane

    Why the hell do people think Matsui is a horrendous player? Due to his health or defense? I can understand his defense but he’ll platoon with Damon, he won’t play LF every day. And plus the last injury he had was only the second injury of his career, he might get injured again but he’s still pretty good. He’s .295/.371/.478 lifetime that’s not terrible at all. .247/.381/.518 is Adam Dunn lifetime. Dunn is still pretty good, his OBP and slugging are better but his batting average is way lower. I don’t really mind but he got 40 homers last year. He might be better than matsui and some people make good points on why we should get rid of him but the general Yankee fan wants Manny on our team despite his attitude and treat Matsui like this “OMFG MATSUI SUCKS!!!! WTF GET HIM OUT OF TEH YANKEES! WE SHOULD GET MANNY AND DUNN AT THE SAME TIEM EVEN THO WE DON’T HAVE SPACE ON OUR 40 MAN!! IF WE GOT MANNY WE’LL HAVE A KILLER OFFENCE THAT WILL WIN EVERYTIME! MANNY MIGHT JUST DECIDE NOT TO PLAY BUT WHO CARES? MATSUI SUCKS GTFO GTFO GTFO” Spelling errors intentional.

    • Peter Lacock

      This Yankee fan doesn’t want Manny. Just another guy with no position. He’s much better than Dunn though. At least Manny will hit over .250.

    • Ryan S.

      I would hope I can count on my fingers how many times Matsui plays a corner outfield spot in 2009 – I have him pegged as the everyday DH in my mind and I bet he does a respectable job there this year. Still, I would be totally for getting Ramirez if Papa Hal and Momma Levine said we could. Manny is on a different tier than Matsui – I can understand arguments against Dunn when we have Matsui, but for Ramirez…

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside


      That is not remotely what many of the people on this board have said regarding advocating for Manny or Dunn.

      Don’t equate us with LoHudders. Plenty of us have made reasoned, well-explained cases of why we may want to consider dumping Matsui for Dunn or Manny, both of whom represent clear upgrades without resorting to histrionics.

      • kane

        Which is why I said the general Yankee fan…I never ocne said this is based upon RiverAveBlues comments. I see this everywhere, people wanting to get rid of him giving little or no explanation…

        Yeah a lot of people are well reasoned but that’s not the majority of fans thaty I come into contact to.

        • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Yeah a lot of people are well reasoned but that’s not the majority of fans thaty I come into contact to.

          Start hanging out with better company.

  • The Evil Empire

    In order to open room for Dunn we might have to shed Nady not Matsui. We can replace Nady with Dunn

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Replacing Nady with Dunn subtracts one man who can play a good outfield with one who cannot.

      Replacing Matsui with Dunn does not negatively impact our defensive capabilities, but does upgrade our offensive capabilities.

      That’s the distinction.

  • matt

    i think this article would sound exactly the same if you replaced dunn with sheets in it.

    • Jack

      Untill you get to:

      Of course, Sheets’ defense raises some eyebrows, but his bat is not in doubt.

      But other than that, yeah.

      • VO

        and One of them is a 29-year-old with a career OBP/SLG of .381/.518 who has hit 40 or more home runs five seasons running.

    • Bruno

      OR, If Pettite didn’t just resign.

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  • tank57

    why would they have to get rid of 2 guys…nady is going to make 6.35 mil or so…trade him for some youth position players and sign dunn for nady’s money or a little more like 8 mil…

  • JohnLane

    Hell to the no.

  • sp23

    trade nady n matsui for nate mcclouth n sign dunn

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