Jan
09

Stealing Juan Cruz

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juan-cruzEarlier this week Buster Olney noted that baseball’s free agent compensation rules are working against some of the remaining free agents, pointing out that teams are reluctant to forfeit high draft picks for guys that are considered complimentary players. Jason Varitek and The Orlandos – Hudson & Cabrera – immediately come to mind. Another such player is Juan Cruz, the ex-Cubs’ prospect and Diamondbacks’ setup man. Having declined arbitration after making $1.9375M last year, Cruz hit the free agent market for the first time in his career this year with the Type-A designation stamped on his back. For most teams that means losing their first round pick, but the Yanks aren’t in that spot.

KLaw’s 7th best available free agent (sub. req’d), Cruz’s calling card has always been his control, or lack thereof.  Once considered the sixth best prospect in the game by Baseball America (back in ’02) because of his live arm, Cruz’s descent from future ace to setup man was due to his inability to throw strikes with any consistency. He threw strikes with only 58.6% of his pitches as a rookie in ’02, improving slightly to 61.1% in ’03 and 61.8% in ’04. He’s sat right around that level ever since. By no means is it a great strike rate, but in the last few seasons he’s established himself as effectively wild.

Like I said, Cruz has a seriously live arm. It works quick and easy, allowing him to pump fastballs that have averaged just about 94.5 mph the last few years. His slider is equally electric, sitting in the low 80′s with sharp break. He still has a hard changeup left from his days as a starter, but he rarely uses it (he threw it just 4.1% of the time last year). You can get a glimpse of how filthy Cruz can be in these highlight clips from 2006 and 2007, unfortunately MLB.com doesn’t have anything from last season.

While throwing strikes and limiting walks are his weak point, Cruz’s biggest asset is his ability to miss bats. Hitters made contact on just 66.0% of the swings they took on Cruz’s pitches last year, down from 69.9% in ’07 and 77.4% in ’08, meaning he got tougher to hit as he entered his prime (which, obviously, makes sense). He allowed less contact last year than K-Rod (69.3%), Joe Nathan (70.0%), Jon Papelbon (77.2%), Mo (76.3%), Joakim Soria (75.1%), Carlos Marmol (73.6%), you name ‘em. Opponents hit just .192 off Cruz last year, and his strikeout rate over the past two seasons is an ungodly 12.62 Kper9, the best in baseball by more than half a strikeout. His CHONE projection for ’09 is solid in case you’re wondering: 68 IP, 3.31 ERA, 1.31 WHIP, 11.51 Kper9, $6.1M in value.

In a world where Kyle Farnsworth is guaranteed $9.25M in his age 33 & 34 seasons, locking Cruz up for say, $3-4M per year for his age 30 through 32 seasons would be a steal. The Nationals, Dodgers and Brewers (at least before they locked up Trevor Hoffman) have expressed interest in Cruz this offseason, and I suspect bullpen starved teams like Detroit and Texas may be lurking in the weeds. Having already coughed up their first, second and third round draft picks as compensation for Mark Teixeira, CC Sabathia and AJ Burnett, all the Yanks have to lose for signing Cruz is their fourth rounder, hardly a deal breaker (here’s a list of all the Yanks’ fourth round picks, basically a whole bunch of nothing). Combine that with the down financial market for free agents, and what’s not to like?

There’s no such thing as too much bullpen depth I say, especially when you’re talking about super high strikeout guys like this. I’d love to see the Yanks lock Cruz up, sit him next to Edwar Ramirez in the Derek Zoolander Center For Children Who Can’t Read Good Mariano Rivera Center for Relievers Who Can’t Pitch Good And Wanna Learn To Do Other Stuff Good Too, and see what happens. They just might get something special out of it.

Categories : Hot Stove League
  • AndrewYF

    Who doesn’t like Jim Beattie and Stan Bahnsen?

  • THU

    I’d love to get him, but are the Yankees smart enough to? I personally think they are done with moves.

  • A.D.

    I like the idea very much

  • Ryan S.

    That’d be an amazing thing for us – we might as well abuse the hell out of the compensation pick system while we can … Juan Cruz (or any other Type A) is much less expensive for us than for any other team right now. Juan Cruz is definitely worthy of being part of that all valuable bridge to Mo. My only wish is that Juan Cruz had a higher Elias rating than CC so we could screw over the Brewers more (imagine getting a 3rd round pick for Sabathia LOL).

  • Yankee1010

    I would avoid him just so that I don’t have to see the following line of reasoning: 1) the Yanks are looking at Juan Cruz for the bullpen; 2) this must mean the Yanks’ bullpen is not good enough; 3) Oh my God, who is going to pitch the 8th inning?!?!?!; 4) Wait a second, doesn’t that Joba kid have awesome stuff?; 5) The Yanks MUST, ABSOLUTELY, use Joba in the 8th inning.

    George King, Justin Sablich, Fatcessa, etc., I’m looking at you.

    I hope the Yanks don’t do it just so that I don’t have to hear that BS any more. I’m about 2 more “Joba Debates” away from stabbing a “Joba-to-the-pen” mental midget with a trident. Then I’d have to lay low for a while. That could lead to me losing my job. And bunking with someone named Sleazy Pete. Not fun.

    • Ryan S.

      Fear of stupid people saying stupid things is a horrible reason to not make a play for someone that could make your team better. Those B-Jobbers are going to run their mouths off no matter what.

      • Yankee1010

        Ryan, I’m sorry the sarcasm wasn’t over-the-top enough.

        • Bruno

          stabbing a “Joba-to-the-pen” mental midget with a trident

          LOL

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Those B-Jobbers are going to run their mouths off no matter what.

        I’m happy to see that “B-Jobber” has entered the RAB lexicon (along with my mythical burrito).

        I’m a little sad that Posnerian and Varitekian haven’t gained that kind of traction yet, though… we’ll keep working on it.

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Posnerian = term that induces law school flashbacks for the many members of RAB LLP

          Ponsnerian = term that is gaining traction, but whose meaning is too cringe-inducing to use in common parlance

          • Yankee1010

            Agreed. Bad flashbacks.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Posnerian = term that induces law school flashbacks for the many members of RAB LLP

            Heh, good point. Forgot about that.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              It’s supposed to be Ponsnerian, though. There’s an extra N in there, sometime when I type fast I may leave it out.

              PONSon + raSNER + -ian suffix = “ponsnerian”.

              Hopefully that extra N is enough to assuage your intellectual property rights induced shellshock.

        • Ryan S.

          I didn’t realize B-Jobber was your creation TSJC. Its a damn good word, very useful. The world needed a concise way of mentioning the idiots who want Joba to be in the bullpen.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            I give because I love.

    • BrooklyPaulie

      While I agree with the author that this could be a good signing for the Yanks, I love your argument! Funny stuff.

    • jsbrendog

      i hear sleazy pete is a good guy.

    • isax

      Joba will probably be great in the rotation, but are you sure he wont become a pitcher like ben sheets, who pitches greatly but gets injured every year?

  • Reggie C.

    Why not… Aside of the 2 early comp picks, the ’09 draft is already going to be uneventful for the Yanks. What’s another round of picks at this point…

  • frits

    He’s been on the DL a few times w/ shoulder soreness, right? The only thing that concerns me is his delivery is a bit unorthodox and potentially troubling. I can’t find a good super slo-mo video of it, but there are a lot of moving parts and I wonder about his long-term durability. Of course, he’s not a starter, so those concerns are minimized some.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Yeah, he was on the DL with a sore shoulder in ’07, and a strained oblique last year. The guy’s listed at 6’2″, 145 lbs. Yikes.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        The guy’s listed at 6?2?, 145 lbs. Yikes.

        Really? Wow, I’m Juan Cruz and I didn’t even know it. I like this guy more already. Let’s sign him.

  • Rob

    You guys never fail to amaze me with simple, practical ideas. Count me in.

    Question is: Where were you on Baldelli!? He would have been a perfect platoon companion for Gardner/Melky.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      I think once they picked up Teixeira, pushing Swisher to the OF, it made Baldelli unnecessary. They can’t have seven 25-man roster spots tied up in OF/DHs.

      If they didn’t pick up Tex, sure. I like the move for the Sox, they got him dirt cheap.

      • Rob

        I damn well hope they’re not planning to carry both Gardner AND Melky – not with Damon and Swisher both able to play CF.

        And Matsui should never play the field.

        So with Baldelli, that would have been five OFs – which wouldn’t have been bad, especially since Swisher is also the backup 1B in an emergency. The utility guy is never going to play (Ransom) and Molina makes a decent four man bench.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          …not with Damon and Swisher both able to play CF.

          Very few people feel they actually are capable of playing CF. Certainly not the Yankees braintrust (nor should they).

          • Rob

            In an emergency, just like Swisher for 1B.

            • Jay CT

              Well in an emergency, Cano, Jeter, ARod, Ransom, and just about anyone else you can name could play another position. That does not make it a good idea. Ozzie just said today that he takes full blame for Swishers bad season. He said that he shouldn’t have forced the idea of him in CF.

              CAN WE PLEASE STOP STICKING SWISHER IN CF?

  • rbizzler

    Agreed that Cruz would be a steal at this point. It might also mean the end of the compensation system as it is presently constructed when the CBA expires.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Hey, the Yanks aren’t breaking the rules, just taking advantage of them.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        The additive property:

        A) George Steinbrenner was a supporter of Richard Nixon.
        B) Richard Nixon said “If the president does it, it’s not illegal”.
        C) Therefore, whatever the Yankees do is within the rules, because we’re the Yankees.

      • rbizzler

        I agree wholeheartedly, but I believe that there is a growing number of owners that are extremely bitter as to how this offseason has played out. While I understand that this winter has been unique in that the Yanks not signing Cole and Bittle gave them an opportunity to indulge in Type A’s without bankrupting their status in the 2009 Rule Four, some other owners don’t see it that way. My assumption is that they will be looking to close these ‘loopholes’ during the next CBA negotiations.

        Think the Brewers owner (a millionaire from Cali) would be bitching about a salary cap if the Yanks signing of Tex didn’t bump the MIL comp pick to the second round? Probably not.

        If the Yanks think that the system is already dead, then they should burn it to the ground and sign Cruz. If they, for whatever reason, decide that it is in their best interests to lay low for the rest of the offseason and not ruffle any feathers, I wouldn’t be surprised in the least.

        • Sweet Dick Willie

          My assumption is that they will be looking to close these ‘loopholes’ during the next CBA negotiations.

          Why don’t they just write two sets of rules, one that applies to The Yankees, and one that applies to the other 29 teams.

          I mean, revenue sharing and the luxury tax were specifically written to apply to the Yankees.

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          “I agree wholeheartedly, but I believe that there is a growing number of owners that are extremely bitter as to how this offseason has played out.”

          True, but this happens every time the Yankees make a big offseason splash, and then it subsides during the offseasons during which other teams (like the Mets with Beltran/Santana/etc. or the Cubs with Soriano etc.) make big splashes. You just have to tune it out and wait until it passes. No reason why their bitching this time around should bring about any more change than it has in the past.

          • MattG

            But it has brought some major changes in the past that have been written solely to damage the Yankees. The luxury tax is nothing more than a way to steal the Steinbrenner’s money.

            This is what they’ll do–the team signing a pick will lose it’s pick, and have to pay the other team’s pick slot money. The owners will love it, because it’ll harm the team signing free agents, and the union will love it, because it will inflate bonus money. If the Yankees have to give the Brewer’s pick slot, then the Brewer’s pick will be able to weasel out a few dollars from the Brewers, too.

            • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Maybe. Maybe not. Conjecture, unless you have a special DeLorean we don’t know about.

              • MattG

                You think I was guessing? Somewhere I’ve got a link from mlb.com dated 11/15/2010 (or is it 2011?)

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Judge: Do you have any more evidence?
                Lionel Hutz, Esq.: I have plenty of conjecture and hearsay, those are kinds of evidence…

            • http://twitter.com/OldRanger Old Ranger

              One problem with this deal…the Players Union!
              The union gives less then “0″ for the draftees (not enough money for them), they always go for the big bucks. If such a plain was implemented, teams wouldn’t sign very many FAs…therefore, the union is out more money from the players. Deals like A-Rod, CC and Tex received would not come to fruition, why would a team pay twice for a player?
              No, I can’t see it happening.

  • TurnTwo

    if it were that simple, why wouldnt teams like Bahstin and Anaheim and Philly, and Atlanta, blah blah blah, have the same interest?

    he’d be a great assest to any of these teams at this reduced rate… so whats the real deal here?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Well, they’d have to give up a first round draft choice for him, which they may be reluctant to do since he’s just a reliever.

      • Reggie C.

        I thought the Phils lost their 1st rounder to the Mariners by signing Ibanez?

        Losing a 2nd round pick + supp pick for a reliever still stings though..

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Yeah true, forgot about Ibanez. Heh, what a terrible signing.

          • jsbrendog

            i enjoyed this post. why i do not know, but reasing “heh, what a terrible signing” just made me chuckle

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Well hold on, you don’t “lose” a supplemental pick when you sign a type-A FA, do you? Isn’t it just created out of thin air and given to the team that lost the FA?

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            No, the team that signs a Type-A loses one pick, but the team that lost the player gets two. The sandwich round picks just pop out of midair, and they can’t be lost for signing free agents.

            • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Right… So the Phils, per Reggie’s example, would just lose their 2nd rounder, the supplemental pick is irrelevant to the Phils.

  • http://www.blueseatblogs.com Dave

    Note to self: Play Zoolander drinking game tonight.

  • Zack

    The Yankees want to make their bullpen as strong as possible so the public/players never calls for Joba to move to the bullpen.
    I’d love Cruz, especially for a 4th rounder, but with Coke, Ramirez, Bruney, Marte, & Veras do we need him or have room? We still need room a guy there who can throw 2-4innings in a blow out

    Joba had a 2.65 era as a starter, why does everyone say he cant make it as a starter?

    • Yankee1010

      Because they don’t know anything about baseball.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        “The Yankees want to make their bullpen as strong as possible so the public/players never calls for Joba to move to the bullpen because it’s the smart way to build a successful ballclub.

        Fixed.

        • Mike

          Or to be successful three and five years from now

  • RPB

    I think that the Yanks should sign him and then trade him to a team that might otherwise be interested in him but reluctant to lose a 1st rounder. The Yanks lose nothing and stand to gain a low-level prospect type. Or they could keep him.

    • Evan in NYC

      As history has shown, the bullpen is a rotating door save Mariano Rivera and the closer types. Bring him on if we can land him for a 4th round pick. We can always use another reliever who is not named Kyle Farnworthless.

    • usty

      If the Yankees started doing this, being a Type-A clearinghouse, I’m 99% sure it will give Peter Gammons a second aneurysm.

      • Evan

        even more reason to do it

    • emac2

      I say we do the same with Veritek

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        GOOD GOD MAN, NO. HAVE YOU ALL GONE INSANE?

        If we sign Jason Varitek, the Sox get our 4th rounder and a free sandwich pick that will be among the top 45 selections. Meanwhile, we will be stuck with a crappy catcher who nobody wants and who is utterly untradable.

        If we don’t sign hem he’s either going to resign with them or NOBODY IS GOING TO TOUCH HIM AT ALL, MEANING THE SOX GET NOTHING.

        Us signing Jason Varitek would help the Sox and hurt us.

        Please, people take a second and think before you speak.

        • emac2

          Sign him and trade him to the Marlins who want him but don’t want to part with a first round pick.

          Are you saying no one will sign him and the sox wont get any paicks at all?

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Are you saying no one will sign him and the sox wont get any paicks at all?

            That’s exactly what I’m saying.

    • steve (different one)

      you can’t trade a FA you just signed until May or June. something like that.

    • dapuj

      Even in a perfectly efficient market, the best the Yanks could do by signing Cruz and then trading him to a team that didn’t want to lose their 1st rounder would be something in value between a 2nd and 4th round pick. Not sure that’s worth it. And that ignores the fact that you can’t trade a newly signed FA.

  • Mike

    Do the same with veritek to replace cash. This would leave the redsox without a catcher making them deal a young pitcher to replace him also screwing the redsox out of a first round pick

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Endorsing us signing Jason Varitek is easily the dumbest thing ever said in the history of people saying things.

      You should punish yourself. Go sit in the corner for 5 minutes.

      • Bruno

        Amen. Thank Mo someone took their smart pills this morning.

    • andrew

      Don’t we want the Sox to start Varitek?

  • CB

    The point of the book Moneyball wasn’t statistics. It was about finding inefficiencies in the market for talent and then exploiting them to get high value for the investment.

    The yanks signing Cruz is something they should strongly consider as it would be further exploiting a real inefficiency in the market. Giving up a draft pick for a set up reliever is severely limiting the demand for Cruz’s services.

    It’s far “cheaper” for the yankees to sign him than for anyone else at this point. The same thing would be true for signing Ben Sheets should Pettitte not come back. Give Sheets a 1 yr/10M offer and see if he’s desperate enough to consider it.

    It looks like the yankees may have understood this principal for a while. If you want to continue developing through the draft the best way to use the free agent market is to not sign anyone for a few years and then stack a series of signing together in one winter. That way you lose your top picks only in one draft rather than serially one year after another.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      If you want to continue developing through the draft the best way to use the free agent market is to not sign anyone for a few years and then stack a series of signing together in one winter.

      I agree, but this year also kind of the perfect storm of free agents. Having two premium guys like CC & Tex, plus a third quality guy like Burnett available doesn’t happen every year.

      • CB

        Absolutely. It all depends on the supply of talent to make this model work. But if you do project substantial talent will cluster in one particular year and you can remain patient in the off years then there’s real payoff for taking this approach.

        Next year they will likely need a new DH. Sign a DH off the market next year it will cost them potentially a 1st rounder. Sign Adam Dunn this year and it’ll cost a 4th rounder. I don’t expect them to actually sign Dunn but if they could they would really be sitting pretty going into 2010 both at the major league level and in the draft.

        MLB is going to change the compensation system. More than a salary cap I’d guess that will be the outcome of the yankees spending this winter.

        • Bruno

          Jorge Posada = 2010 DH

      • steve (different one)

        also, money coming off the books and new stadium. yada yada.

        it really was the perfect storm.

        that said, the state of next year’s FA class was clearly a motivating factor in the Teixeira signing, so perhaps this entered their peripheral thinking.

        • CB

          I don’t think that was so peripheral. If the stories we’re hearing now of how the Tex signing happened are true then basically Cashman had to convince Hal of why they should sign Tex. He had to present a compelling case. And I can’t see Cashman not doing that in the context of the limited talent available next year and all of the holes that could develop on the team as older players leave.

          Next year’s supply of talent had to have a major impact on the degree of the yankees demand for talent this year.

  • Josh

    NO Mike, just a fourth rounder… read the whole article lol

  • Yankees_Universe

    I don’t think D-backs care about first rounder right now. One of the reasons mentioned by their GM for not offering arb. to Dunn was that they may not be able to afford paying 1st round picks.

    • Zack

      Yeah $4m for a kid with a lot of potentional or Dunn accepting arb and getting $17m??

  • Yankeegirl49

    Yankee1010…that was great!

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      There’s a “reply to this comment” link in each comment-box, you can use that link and reply directly to a particular comment (i.e. Yankee1010′s commetn above).

      • jsbrendog

        lol do you have a notepad doc with that saved so you can cut and paste it (a la my facepalm) cause you should if you don’t :-P

  • Ray

    Yankees shouldn’t make this move. They have plenty of young guys who should be able to pitch ‘effectively wild’ out of their bullpen. I like the logic of chasing Class A FAs in this depressed market. I say trade Cano to the Royals for DeJesus, trade Nady for a bag of baseballs and sign Orlando Hudson.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      . I say trade Cano to the Royals for DeJesus, trade Nady for a bag of baseballs and sign Orlando Hudson.

      You’re joking, right? PLEEEEEEASE tell me you’re joking.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        I think he is. He has a history of understanding our jokes.

  • Nady Nation

    What is this, a center for ants?!

    • Yankee1010

      It would only work if the real one was at least 3 times the size.

  • Chris

    No Josh. You don’t get it. Varitek is a type A free agent. If another team signs him, they get a 1st round pick. Except the Yankees would only give up a 4th. Therefore, the Red Sox would in fact lose out on a 1st round pick.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      … except for the fact that:

      A) they’d still get a sandwich pick, which would be a top 45 pick, and
      B) 2009 Jason Varitek could easily be the worst player in major league history, worse than Ray Mendoza and Andruw Jones combined.

      Horrible, horrible, horrible idea. Stop pimping it.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

        You mean Mario Mendoza?

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Yeah, sorry, brainfart.

          (i was actually on the phone with a guy named Ray… neurons got crossed.)

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      There’s a “reply to this comment” link in each comment-box, you can use that link and reply directly to a particular comment (i.e. Yankee1010’s Josh’s comment above).

    • Bruno

      Varitek is a type A free agent. If another team signs him

      That’ll never happen.

  • Robert Goulet

    LA-DA-DEE-DA-DA-DAAAA…..GOUUULET!!!!!

    Ok, while I’m probably overreacting cause I’m sick and not feeling well, is anyone else scared that Boston just got Smoltz? When healthy, the guy can still be dominant with electric stuff and if his shoulder wont allow him to be a starter, using him in the 7th/8th next to Okijima and co. would be pretty devastating.

    Perhaps I’m looking too much into this due to the insanely biased RSN Media. ESPN is officially a joke – those fucking haters have spent more time addressing the Yankees payroll and the amount of money they spent this offseason than the actual players on their roster. For every “The Yankees got CC, AJ, and Tex” there are 2: “The Yankees have the highest payroll in history and their spending is out of control.” In regards to Peter Gammons, that guy was was officially allowed to throw out his Viagra after hearing of the Smoltz signing. When interviewed on ESPN, Gammons acted as if Smoltz was the second coming of Moses. And does anyone watch the MLB Network??? They now have Kevin Millar on as one of the commentators on “Hot Stove” and he almost fell off his chair when describing the impacts of Smoltz and Baldelli.

    In the end, I’m not sure what to believe. Can Smoltz be the kind of mid/late season game changer that can either shut a game down after the 7th or give the Sox rotation the kind of depth and security that the Yankees could only dream of? I guess time will tell.

    What i DO know, is that the Yankees need to add another arm into the rotation. And I’m talking about a REAL arm – one that is reliable and without an innings cap (i.e. NOT Hughes, Acevedos, and IPK). The Yankees rotation is thin:

    1) CC – lock
    2) AJ – not sure (hopefully lock)
    3) Wang – lock
    4) Joba – not a lock because of his innings limit (he wont even be able to make it to September/October if he can only pitch 180 innings as a starter)
    5) Hughes/IPK/Acevedos – absolutely not a lock.

    In the end, the Yankees rotation, while extremely talented and potentially nasty, certainly doesnt possess the depth or security that one would hope who just spent a lot of money trying to get back to the playoffs.

    My suggestion – GO GET ANOTHER PITCHER! (even Pettitte)

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Juan Cruz… John Smoltz… I see the connection.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Smoltz is a decent gamble, and the Red Sox did well, But take yourself off suicide watch: it was a good pickup, but not a game changer. It’s far from the final piece of the puzzle, we’re still the better team, and unless they can somehow sign Manny Ramirez, they’re still going to finish in 3rd place.

      • Mike Pop

        Hmm, your putting them in 3rd? You think they fall apart or they just are not that good?

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          The Rays are still better than them. We got better than them this offseason. They stood still.

          (Plus, 6 months of Bay vs. 4 months of Manny + 2 months of Bay).

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      He’s 41 years old and coming off major shoulder surgery. People would be jumping off the Triboro if the Yanks signed a guy like that for $5M+ guaranteed.

      • Zack

        Exactly, they said “best case scenario” h e’ll be back in May, that means June, and at 41 that really means July.

        10m got the red sox:
        Penny who had a shoulder injury, took 2 months off and it didnt get any better.
        Smoltz is 41 coming off a torn labrum and injuried bicept/ac joint.
        Yankees shouldnt focus on either of those two deals.

    • steve (different one)

      go to RLYW today.

      as of TODAY, SG projects the Yankees to finish 6 games ahead of Boston, and almost a lock for the playoffs.

      relax.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Wow, I’m kind of surprised they have the Mets winning so many games. Right now, their rotation is Johan, hope Pelfrey keeps improving, hope Maine comes back fine from shoulder surgery, and two question marks.

        • frits

          The verducci effect says that Pelfrey is in for trouble..

    • Bruno

      Pedro?

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Pedro Cerrano, sure.

        • Bruno

          LMAO. Cerrano = Manny.

          But really, no to Pedro for you? 1/$3-4m?

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Nah. I’m good giving Pettitte 10M because I think he can be better than Hughes/Aceves/Kennedy for 2009, and he’s durable enough to be injury/innings caps insurance .

            I can’t say the same about Pedro.

            • Bruno

              I wouldn’t sign him to count on him (Omar’s a moron for counting on Pedro, El Duque, and Alou last year) but take a flier on him just in case. You can never have enough pitching.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Yeah, but I can justify keeping Hughes or Aceves off the 25 man for Andy. I can’t justify it for Pedro.

                Unless he’s willing to take a minor league deal and chill out in Scranton, I don’t see it.

                • Bruno

                  Is he healthy? That would be the difference between Scranton (rehab) and Da Bronx.

    • http://jukeofurl.wordpress.com jukeofurl

      I knew there was a reason I liked Robert Goulet! always thought it was because of ‘ The Blue Light!’ old TV series! Now I know it’s due to his spatial baseball knowledge. Agreed 110% ;~)

  • Dave

    Law’s article does not have cruz seventh – i AM assuming he is ranked seventeenth in that article. Seventh for a setup man with a market like this year’s would be absurd. Even sheets and k rod are not in the top ten. Why Lowe is in the top five is beyond me – those rankings are very poor seemingly following the ridiculous line of logic that Lowe is right up there with CC and Burnett as quality free agents. Lowe doesn’t have a tenth of the talent that cc and burnett have and the big 3 talk consistently got on my nerves this off season but i digress.

    Cruz has improved in each of the past 3 season so i dont quite understand the projection that his whip will shoot back up to 1.31. Do these projections take into account something that I am overlooking? His high walk totals are a concern but with that kind of hit total being at least 20 less than innings pitched there is a lot to like. And I would certainly like to add another bullpen arm as there is absolutely no guarantee like many seem to think that edwar, veras and bruney will all be solid for us next season as pen arms are highly volatile. Actually, I am pretty sure veras will be in the minor leagues by years end and robertson will permanently take his place.

    And 4 mil is a good price for his arm but our primary need right now is a starter. We need another starter to stabilize the rotation and keep our pitching depth far, far more than we need another reliever with 40 walk potential. If we sign both a starter and cruz – fine but i would definitely not sacrifice passing up on a fifth starter to add cruz to the pen so if we only have money for one please, please I hope the yankees get the starter.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

      Law’s article does not have cruz seventh – i AM assuming he is ranked seventeenth in that article.

      I worded that poorly, my bad. I meant seventh best remaining free agent. He has him 19th on the list, but most of the players in front of him are already off the board. Law’s best remaining guys are:

      1. Manny
      2. Lowe
      3. Dunn
      4. Oliver
      5. Hudson
      6. Abreu
      7. Cruz

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I believe he ranks Cruz as the seventh best REMAINING free agent.

  • D.B.H.O.F. p.k.a The Last Don

    My knowledge of this guy is too limited to offer a good opinion of him. I do however like the idea of making a good deal for a valuable player and taking advantage of the current system.

    We should play the angles more, and use our smarts and resources to pummel the other team on any and every occasion.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Agreed. This is a golden opportunity to take advantage of an artificially depressed market.

      It’s like that the Red Sox tried to do with Tex back in 1998, only not pathetically smarmy.

      • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        I’ll second that, and Mike’s post in general. This makes all the sense in the world.

        But I really just wanted to comment to say how nice it is to see you guys agreeing on something and being all sweet to each other. Happy days.

        • Bruno

          SCREW YOU!

          (Sorry, couldn’t help myself :) )

          • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            (Sigh) You always ruin the tender moments.

            • Bruno

              Everyone has their role to play.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          “But I really just wanted to comment to say how nice it is to see you guys agreeing on something and being all sweet to each other. Happy days.”

          Me and Donnie are best buds now. We got our own handshake and everything.

          We do a little of this (slap flip slap)
          and then go into the bro-hug
          and then the BRO-BOT… I AM A BRO-BOT…

          and then BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM, MAKE IT EXPLODE!!!!!!!

          • Bruno

            Careful, don’t you know having joyful enthusiasm instead of stoic work ethic will cause your performance to suffer?

  • Bob Michaels

    try to trade with KC for Greinke.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      No.

      • frits

        While saying “no” is certainly an engaging and intriguing response, more reasoning might be required. Bill James says that Greinke might have the best arm of anyone in baseball.

        • frits

          I’ll do it for you.

          The reason this is a bad “idea” is because KC probably won’t trade Greinke, as he has ace potential and is signed cheaply for the next few years. He’s not on the market, and if he was, he would be extremely costly in terms of prospects. Think Hughes+Jackson and go from there.

          But Greinke is money, and it would be fantastic to have him obviously.

        • A.D.

          The point isn’t that Grienke isn’t good, its that it would cost the better part of the farm to get him.

        • Bruno

          Bill James says that Greinke might have the best arm of anyone in baseball.

          Which is exactly why KC will ask for a king’s ransom for him. Think Joba/Hughes +. Let’s not even mention he couldn’t handle the pressure in KC and had to leave the team because of it (I know he seems to have put it behind him, and I’m happy for him that he has, but NY can bring upon a relapse REAL FAST).

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          We’ve been over this many times this offseason. While we all love Greinkie, there’s no need to subtract valuable pieces form our farm to add a starter, especially when we already have CC/AJ/Wang/Joba and numerous talented kids as present/future options for the #5 hole.

          Grienke is a luxury. You don’t trade for luxuries, you trade for necessities.

          Furthermore, HE brought it up (apropos of nothing), not me. The burden of proof should be on him. You don’t throw out weak unsolicited ideas and then have no responsibility to explain them.

          • frits

            F5 goes a long way sometimes…

            • Bruno

              I’m not Mr. HTML, what does F5 do?

              • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                Push it and you shall see.

                • Bruno

                  It refreshed?!? Or am I so burnt I missed it? (legit question)

                • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

                  Yes, F5 = refresh.

                • Bruno

                  Whew. Thx.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

          Dude, people mention this in every thread. It’s ridiculous. The Yankees are not getting Greinke. Next issue.

          • frits

            if we got him though we could slot him in the 8th inning.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              You just blew my mind.

              Lisa, I want to buy your rock.

              • frits

                lol

            • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              DIE! lol

        • steve (different one)

          While saying “no” is certainly an engaging and intriguing response, more reasoning might be required

          is it really though?

          unless the person bringing it up actually proposes WHAT THE YANKEES WOULD BE GIVING UP, there is absolutely nothing to discuss.

          i’ll go:

          try to trade for Tim Lincecum.
          try to trade for Hanley Ramirez.
          try to trade for Grady Sizemore.

          • Bruno

            try to trade for Tim Lincecum.
            try to trade for Hanley Ramirez.
            try to trade for Grady Sizemore.

            4 team trade =

            NYY: Timmy, Han-Ram, G-Sizzle
            SF: IPK, & CLE prospects
            FLA: Cody Ransom & Melky
            CLE: Cody Ross

            Would we be giving up too much?

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              Substitute Angel Berroa for Cody Ransom and you have something.

              • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Agreed. Handsome Cody is untouchable. I would trade him for Pujols.

          • GG

            But wont KC lose Greinke after this season? Those other guys are locked up.

            • Bruno

              He’s arb eligible I think.

    • Bruno

      Try coming up with something that might actually happen.
      Like: IPK, Melky, & Matsui for Peavy & A.Gonzalez.

      • frits

        lol good one.

        • whozat

          lol looks like a guy throwing his hands up in the air, as though he just doesn’t care.

          • frits

            lol also looks like a toilet.

  • CA Yanks Fan

    With the Yankees set to keep Joba in the rotation, I love the idea!

  • pat

    You sign this kid and all of a sudden a package of xavier nady coupled with a jose veras or edwar ramirez starts lookin reaaaaal attractive.
    Oh and sweet writeup mike this is the meat and taters that keeps us comin back.

    • http://www.myspace.com/earlweaverplaque Ace

      I agree with everything Pat just said.

      • Zack

        Nady & Veras for who? For prospects? CF? C? SP?

        • Evan

          Nady + Aceves + reliever for Harang. You could have a starting rotation with CC, Wang, AJ, Harang, Joba. Bullpen: Mo (9th), Cruz and Marte (match ups for 8th), Bruney and Coke (match ups for 7th), then fill in with Edwar, Robertson, or whoever. That as dominant and well rounded pitching as you are going to find.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

            If you can get Harang for Nady, Aceves, and Veras, you do it 100 times out of 100.

            • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

              Yeah. Veras is the definition of a spare part.

              • Evan

                Nady and IPK too much?

                • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

                  For me, yes.

  • dlcb

    For about two-thirds of the league (the bottom 15 teams, Yankees, Mets, Phillies, and any other team that has already sacrificed their first pick for a type A), Cruz would only require a 2nd round pick.

    What is the difference in value between a 2nd round pick and a 4th round pick? $2mil? $2.5mil? That difference is significant, but it is not going to prevent those 20 or so teams from devaluing Cruz by so much that the Yankees can pick him up for pennies.

    And I would much rather have the Yankees spend their resources elsewhere. There are plenty of capable relievers in the minors.

    Beside, you can alway put Joba in the pen if you need to. j/k

    • Zack

      Has cruz received ANY offers though? Teams might like him, but not for the 1st round pick. Personally i think teh bullpen is our strength, but hey for 2yrs/8m with an option? or maybe he’ll want one year, its tough to walk away from that arm because of a 4th round pick

  • GG

    Dunno if anyone shared it already, bu Neyer has a great link about the salary cap being a bad idea in his friday filberts:
    http://umpbump.com/press/2008/.....-bad-idea/

    • GG

      Shouldn’t the Nationals fans (all four of you) be angry that their team had a 2007 payroll of $37MM when the organization made $43.7MM? To me, that’s far more offensive than what the Steinbrenners are doing.

      • Bruno

        They do have other employees other than players.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

          Yeah, but combined those employees make what Dmitri Young and Austin Kearns made this past year.

          • Bruno

            True. I’m just saying their overall expenses are more than that $37m. Plus, they offered Tex more coin then we did, it’s not Bowden’s fault if noone wants to play there (yet).

      • A.D.

        If I’m a nats fan i’m angry that while the team is willing to spend (good thing) they’re willing to toss obscene money at tex, but not 500K more for our first round draft pick.

        • Bruno

          yup. I guess they (stupidly in their situation) value “proven” talent over “potential” talent.

  • Sweet Dick Willie

    We’ve already signed 3 type A FAs. Can we sign another one without losing one of ours first? I keep getting conflicting information on this subject.

    • Zack

      our 1st round (and second round i believe) are protected because we didnt sign our guys from last year, which means they cant be taken away due to FA signings

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        Poorly worded on my part. I meant without losing one of our free agents, e.g. Abreu. There is a limit on how many type A FAs teams are allowed to sign. I thought we hit that limit with 3, but I could be mistaken.

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Sorry to do this without a link, but I read somewhere recently that the limit is higher (the rule is interpreted in a confusing way) and I remember the source where I read that being pretty solid (in my opinion). Again, no link, so take it for what you will. My bad.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

            Yeah, I think the limit was like 9 or something. Whatever it is, it’s not an obstacle.

            • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Yeah I remember it being 9 too. Who wrote that? I can’t remember. Maybe it was a chat or something.

              • Mike Pop

                MLBTR and RealGm had links to it. It was a lady who works for the MLB.

        • Zack

          If there are 14 or fewer Type A or Type B free agents available, no team can sign more than one type A or B player. If there are between 15-38, no team can sign more than two. If there are between 39 and 62, there’s a limit of three. However, teams can sign as many Type A or B free agents as they’ve lost, regardless of the limits above.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Those protected pick are extraneous to the question Willie was asking.

        I don’t know the exact answer, Willie, but I think “losing” Pettitte, Mussina, and Abreu would give us three extra type A’s we can sign. That’s my guess.

        • Evan

          I think the Yanks can sign 6 or 7 type As total. 3 or 4 based on the calculation involving number of types As and Bs and then the team gets additional one for all the As that were lost. That way a team would typically be able to resign its own players and then add what ever the set formula number is.

      • Should be working

        Limits on free agent signings
        If only 0-14 players in all of Major League Baseball file for free file for free agency, no team may sign more than one “Type A” or “Type B” player (terms defined below).

        If 15-38 players file for free agency, no team may sign more than 2 such free agent players.

        If 39-62 players file for free agency, no team may sign more than 3 such free agent players.

        If 63 or more players file for free agency, then there are no such limits applied. Furthermore, a team may sign as many type A and B free agents as it has lost, regardless of the limits above.

        Found this in a baseball article. This makes it sound like its Limit + Type A’s you lost.

        • Joe B.

          But then when you take into account that the 63+ refers to total number of FAs, not just Type A or B, and that teams are allowed another Type A/B for every 24 FAs, it puts the number of Type A/B allower per team at 9. Someone recently clarified this rule. It’s not an issue at all.

  • Un-Named Yankee Source

    Anybody looking for a Quality infielder. Looks like Nomar would be a nice addition, and he can play all 4 infield positions!

    Rosenthal suggests veterans such as Nomar Garciaparra, Frank Thomas, and Jim Edmonds could go the Kenny Lofton route. Lofton, a capable player, sat out the 2008 season when his salary demands weren’t met. As I mentioned yesterday, we’ll soon see which former stars are willing to play for a pittance (if you consider more than $500K a pittance).

    • Zack

      i acutally wouldnt mind nomar. a bench of Nomar, Ransom, Melky, Molina, Swisher/Matsui looks pretty nice. give alot of guys days off

      • zack

        Wait wait wait, this is MY name. There can only be one Zack, you will simply have to pick another. Don’t make me get into a name war with you.

    • Evan

      Is nomar even looking for a deal, I haven’t heard him mentioned at all. How funny would having Jeter, Arod and Nomar on the same team be?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I’m down for adding Garciaparra, but only if we also sign Omar Vizquel and trade for Miguel Tejada.

      I want ALL the late-90′s/early 00′s great AL shortstops! REVENGANCE WILL BE MINE!!!!

      • A.D.

        That IPK + melky for a time machine trade keeps looking like a better deal

  • Jonathan

    I hope yankees are not done yet, first off they should not trade Nady he is to good of a bat, but in the past eight years the yankees always made mistakes in the free agent market, the always get the big guys but they fail to get those middle of the road free agents to sure up the team.

    • steve (different one)

      i would have to say that is a gross mischaracterization of the yankees’ “problems” of the last 8 years.

      • Evan

        Seriously though we have been in the playoff’s every year but 1 the last eight and in the WS twice in that time. The yankees mistakes have pretty much been not team structure but bad play in the palyoffs possibly due to lack of strike out pitchers which are an advantage in the playoffs. We have added those and have a strong bullpen. If anything one of cashmans strengthes has been finding middle and low guys and picking them up (Smalls, Chacon, Bruney, etc.)

        • Bruno

          The yankees mistakes have pretty much been not team structure

          Wouldn’t a lack of bat-missers be just that, bad team structure? I agree with the point of your post, just pointing out a minor contradiction in it’s wording.

          • steve (different one)

            i’m not really comfortable lumping 2001-2003 in with 2004-2008.

            there was nothing wrong with those teams except for some bad luck and running into a hotter Angel team.

            the 2004-2007 teams had lousy pitching. they pitched OK in 2008 but had lousy offense.

            but none of this had to do with not signing more “middle of the road” FA’s.

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  • Januz

    The Yankees have guys like Bruney, Veras, Marte, and Ramirez, and quite likely, Melancon to set up Mariano. Phil Coke is also a possibility if he does not start. That does not include future possibilities like Cox, Sanchez, and Venditte. This is a strength of the team, they don’t need Cruz.
    Jim Edmonds is different, that is a good 1 year stop gap while waiting for Jackson. I don’t know why Boston chose Kotsay over him? He is right up there with Paul Blair, Andruw Jones, and Griffey Jr as the best defensive centerfielders I ever saw. In addition, even in an off year, he hit 20 home runs. That would be a good sign, unlike Cruz.

    • Bruno

      Cruz would be a good signing, just not a necessary one.

    • A.D.

      Edmonds isn’t a good CF anymore, he’s -17 UZR/150 rating from last isn’t pretty. The Yankees are better off running Damon out there

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      He is right up there with Paul Blair, Andruw Jones, and Griffey Jr as the best defensive centerfielders I ever saw.

      And just like Jones and Griffey, Edmonds is probably too old and broken down to play a good CF now, in 2009.

      Jim Edmonds, CF UZR/150:
      2002: 1.4
      2003: -0.7
      2004: -10.4
      2005: 6.2
      2006: 2.7
      2007: -3.2
      2008: -17.6

      Oh, and he also turns 39 in June and CHONE predicts him to put up a .228/.326/.413/.739/.328.

      Pass.

  • http://baseballbeat.wordpress.com/ Baseball Beat

    Go for it!

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Anybody else just have a “Rocky V” flashback?

      • Bruno

        yup lol

    • Should be working

      BB, how come you have Varitek over Pudge in your FA 25man?

  • Dave

    Nineteenth overall makes far more sense for cruz and seventh remaining – thanks for the clarification.

    Signing cruz and then, trading nady, relievers and aceves for Harang just sounds too god to actually happen or too smart to be reality or something like that. But that would be a sweet deal. Signing cruz makes vera a spare part especially with robertson and melancon/cox on their way up at some point.

    Coke could go back to the pen as well which adds even more to the pen if harang comes to the yanks. Harang is almost guaranteed to have a comeback year – i think with the yankees already having posada, matsui, cano and swisher as possible comeback player of the year candidates, harang would guarantee the yankees victory in that award category.

    CC, Wang, AJ, Harang and Joba is a rotation to drool over. Harang not only fills the innings eater role but they will be quality innings for the most part to boot. Rivera, Marte, Cruz, Ramirez, Bruney, Robertson, Coke, Geise and the prospects is pretty damn solid as well. Where do I sign?

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Dude, you’re just plain messing with Raul’s head now, right? Prettay prettay funny.

      Please use the “reply to this comment” link to reply to someone’s comment. It makes life happier for everyone (especially me, since I’m clearly obsessed and quite OCD about this).

      • Bruno

        LOL sorry I don’t mean to laugh at your expense but I did find this post funny (and accurate, to be fair).

        • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          lol It’s ok, I know I’m psycho about the reply-to-comment thing. It’s just such an easy thing to do and would alleviate so much of my unnecessary mental anguish. It’s hard being me.

          • Bruno

            I know the feeling bro, although not about RAB’s reply button. :)

            • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              You were supposed to ask: “What’s the hardest thing about being you?”

              • Bruno

                But I understand your plight, as I also am to great mentally for the world surrounding us. Bad driving happens to my pet-peeve.

                • Bruno

                  as I also am to too great mentally

                  Couldn’t let that soil my point.

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Dude just ask the question and let me finish my joke that nobody will get.

                • Bruno

                  “What’s the hardest thing about being you?”

                • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Mustache.

                  (Yes, sweet release!) Anyone? Anyone?

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pbfs2lYM2sQ

                • Bruno

                  Well played sir.

  • Sweet Dick Willie

    since I’m clearly obsessed and quite OCD about this).

    Hey, there are clearly worse things to be OCD about (like winning the inaugural RAB Fantasy Football League).

    Waiting…3..2..1 now!

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      For the last time, people stop trying to bait me. I will NOT be baited.

      • Sweet Dick Willie

        So there we go, RABers. If we take turns “baiting” him once an hour or so, we may be done with it!

        • Bruno

          Am I the only one (other than TSJC of course) that enjoys the name drops?

    • The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      DUDE USE THE FRIGGIN REPLY TO COMMENT LINK WHEN YOU’RE GOING TO MAKE FUN OF MY OBSESSION WITH THE REPLY TO COMMENT LINK IN RESPONSE TO MY COMMENT! HAVE SOME DECENCY, SWEET DICK!

      • Bruno

        That was exactly the point of NOT using the reply button lol. Just to see:
        DUDE USE THE FRIGGIN REPLY TO COMMENT LINK WHEN YOU’RE GOING TO MAKE FUN OF MY OBSESSION WITH THE REPLY TO COMMENT LINK IN RESPONSE TO MY COMMENT! HAVE SOME DECENCY, SWEET DICK!

      • jsbrendog

        “have siome decency sweet dick”

        that one speaks for itself.

        :close juvenile humor:

  • GG

    what is KC going to do with DeJesus anyway?

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Play him in RF, that’s what they’re going to do. Their plan all along was a Maier-Crisp-DeJesus configuration. They’ve come to grips with something many Yankee fans seem incapable of doing: admitting that DeJesus isn’t really a centerfielder.

      • Bruno

        In RF? I thought LF. What happens to Teahen & Guillen? Gordon 3B, Teahen 1B, Jacobs DH? Still no spot for Guillen to “earn” his coin.

        • A.D.

          Also where does Billy Butler play?

          • Bruno

            Platoon with Jacobs. Their splits are the definition of PLATOON.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Well, they’re feverishly trying to dump Guillen. I suppose if they can’t, they’ll move Maier back to the bench for Guillen (or split time.)

          Butler is a DH. Don’t ask me where they’re going to play all 20 of their 1B/DH’s, nobody knows that answer.

  • Yankee1010

    http://mlb.mlb.com/news/articl.....rId=rss_kc

    OK, Dayton. We get it. You have no idea how to build a baseball team. You don’t need to belabor the point.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      “A right-handed batter, Bloomquist, 31, played seven seasons with the Seattle Mariners. He had a .263 average in 540 games and played every position in the infield and outfield. “

      That sounds like the gritty resume of a David Eckstein or a Mark Grudzielanek! No need for further evaluation, sign me up!!!

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Italics tag left open … FAIL.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Italics tag left open … FAIL.

          I’m an idiot.

          Hey Mike, speaking of failing, remember when you tried to beat me in the playoffs of the first round of the Inaugural RAB Fantasy Football League playoffs, but failed miserably? I do; it was the first of three straight playoff wins that lead me to the Championship title.

          I can’t believe you really thought Leonard Weaver, Antwaan Randle El, Kevin Walter, and Todd Heap could measure up to my boys in a fantasy football matchup. It’s almost as laughable as you thinking you could measure up to me personally in a physical attractiveness contest, a testicles-size contest, or a pleasuring Mike’s girlfriend contest, three things I would win respectively with one arm, one testicle, or one of your girlfriend’s legs tied behind my back. It pains me a little to say it, because you’re a nice guy, but we both know it’s true. If you need to cry on someone’s shoulder, I understand. Just make it Joe’s, Rafi’s, jsbrendog’s, Jamal’s, or SAMIAMSPORTS’s, and not mine. I don’t want your mascara to run on my expensive clothing. It wouldn’t be a good look for me.

          Because I’m a champion.

          [ Fantasy Football Championship Bragging Rights Name Drop #28 of 1000 ]

          • Bruno

            or one of your girlfriend’s legs tied behind my back

            That’s exactly why I love these. I’m SO joining next year. RAB Fantasy Baseball? Did you guys use Yahoo or ESPN?

      • KW

        His slugging was nearly 100 points lower than his OBP (which was a very respectable .377). yikes!

        • Bruno

          I didn’t even realize that was possible. Yikes! is right!

        • Yankee1010

          I love how Moore says he’s a “on-base guy” when his career OBP is .322. Well, I guess it’s all relative because he may actually be considered an “on-base guy” on the Royals now.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      “He’s an on-base guy, a speed-type player and a hustler,” Royals general manager Dayton Moore said. “He’s a Craig Counsell-type who really plays hard, hustles and knows how to play.”

      Bloomquist is regarded as an “igniter” who is also well-regarded for his leadership abilities.

      I have no idea how the phrase “on base guy” accidentally fell into that mountain of useless, empty, vapid prose. Probably an oversight.

      Apparently, a lifetime OBP is .322 now makes you an “on base guy”. I apologize for all the hurtful things I said about Andre Dawson’s HoF candidacy. My apologies to Mr. Corky Simpson.

      And Dayton: kudos on saying “hustle” twice on two sentences. I know you’re eagerly awaiting the day the White Sox fire Ozzie so you can sign the manager of your dreams.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike A.

        Also, “igniter” is one notch below “gritty,” but better than “he does the little things that help you win.”

        • Bruno

          LOL

          KC can’t afford gritty, just grits. ;)

        • rbizzler

          Bip Roberts, the original igniter, is outraged at being compared to Willie.

          http://www.baseball-reference......bi01.shtml

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Bloomquist is an “igniter”… maybe he can borrow “This Is Why I’m Hot” from Alex’s iPod.

  • rossdfarian

    I’ll take a pass. This would be a good signing if the Yankees didn’t already have a solid pen and tons more waiting in the wings. Save the $3.5mil, Cash.

  • Weren

    I am not sure that the Yankees can sign any more Type A’s without first losing Pettite to another team. Check out page 74 of the 2007-11 Collective Bargaining Agreement.

    • jsbrendog

      rd the thread above you next time

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Well, irrespective of what happens with Pettitte and Abreu, we’ve already lost Moose, that should mean we’re at least good for 4 type A’s, no?

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  • Bret the Hitman

    Getting Juan Cruz would add more flexibility and value.

    Coke could be stretched out into long reliever/spot starter and make a few cherrypicked starts to boost his value as a starter. He wouldn’t be needed in late innings but instead serve a Mendoza type role in the pen.

    Humberto Sanchez could be turned back into a starter in AA/AAA and would no longer be needed for the pen. He needs more innings anyways.

    Having Coke and Sanchez along with Hughes, Kennedy and Aceves allows us to more gracefully severe the ties with Pettitte and use that 10 mil to lengthen the bench.

  • Al

    I’m through with spending even 2-3 million a year on bullpen arms. Bullpens are the hardest to project year in year out. Didn’t we learn our lesson from…. oh I don’t know… Farnsworth, Karsay, Paul Quantrill?

    If Cruz gets hurt of flops in the AL East… you’re stuck with him on the roster. I like having the flexibility – if Edwar struggles – send him to Dunder-Mifflin and call up Melancon or Horne. Plus the Yanks have so many arms in their system, not all of them will be starters. I’d rather convert some of the less durable ones into relievers then blow 12-15 mill over 3 years on a 30-year old reliever.

  • Al

    Brett – Two rules of baseball – never believe what you see in March and never believe what you see in September. Coke looked great in the final month – but the jury is still out.

    Sanchez has a future in the pen – he lacks the durability to start.

    With Pettitte – maybe my sentimentality factors in here… I’ve been following his career since he filled in for Jimmy Key in ’95… but I’d give him 12M. Look what Carlos Silva is making (albeit he signed in a bull market).

    He’ll eat innings, he’s durable – and 14-15 wins with a 4.30 ERA from a #4 starter is not out of the question with Andy.

    Plus he keeps the seat warm for Hughes who steps in for the 2010 season.

    This year – Hughes, IPK, and Aceves give you much needed insurance… There’s no need for Sidney Ponson this way.

    Plus you’ll need one of them WHEN Burnett goes down with elbow tendinitis in the middle of May.

  • gio

    Why do you all have such huge boners for Harang? Maybe I’m missing something, but he just seems like a grossly overpaid NL stater. If the Yankees are willing to pay his contract, why not just sign Pettitte and pick up a low-cost a 7th/8th inning guy for Nady? I’m all for trading Nady. He has one of the longest swings ever. It seems like his swinging for the fences every at-bat. Maybe he’s just used to being the clean up guy on most of thet teams he’s played for and hasn’t realized he’s hitting BEHIND guys like ARod and Teixeira. But whatever it is, it’s turned him into an all-or-nothing guy on the Yanks.

  • BJ

    Why not sign manny too and screw the Blue jays out of a pick as well? And then Sheets to give the Brew Crew an extra what’s for. I think since we only have thee Type A’s leaving that would be the most we could do (this scenario assumes we don’t re-sign Pettite) but I think that might be enough to convince everyone just how fu@ked in half the system is. Its not like we’re winning any popularity contests as is, might as well add a few decibels to the chants that we buy our pennants.

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