Obstructed view bleacher seats drop to $5

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While much of Ben’s post about Yankees ticket prices bothered me, nothing irked me quite as much as Lonn Trost’s take on the obstructed view bleacher seats. In his view, having TVs on the wall is a substitute for seeing the action on the field. This, of course, is preposterous. If I want to watch the Yankees on an HD, I’ll go to my buddy’s down the street. People go to games to watch the games — or at least in an ideal world they do — not watch TV.

Here’s Trost’s explanation (via Neil Best):

“When we built the sports bar we knew architecturally there is an architectural shadow,” he said. “And that means there are a group of seats that are in the bleachers that if you are sitting very close to either the rightfield or leftfield side of the sports bar, you may not see the opposite side.

“We knew that going in, and to that extent we pre-prepared to put televisions in the wall, as well as that big screen so you don’t miss anything.”

He pre-prepared. Now that’s some forward thinking. Problem is, pre-preparing for having obstructed seats by installing TVs isn’t preparing for much, beyond fan disappointment. Again, television is no substitute for the live game. That’s why people shell out so much money for tickets.

We also found out in Ben’s post that Mike Francessa and his crew at WFAN were trying to get Trost on the show — you know, put a little pressure on him. It seems to have worked. As Best reports, tickets in the “architectural shadow,” about 600 in total, will cost only $5. It won’t allow you to see any more of the field, but at least it’s admitting that those seats aren’t equal in value to the full-view bleacher seats.

Also of note: The most expensive seats in the house will become open to partial season ticket plans. Why? Because they’re only 70 percent sold right now. No, we don’t know when they’re going to go on sale.

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  • Rich

    What’s $5? They’d get great pub by making them free.

    • Chris

      It looks like everyone just wants something to complain about? If your paying $5 or even $12 for the bleacher seat you shouldn’t be complaining about anything other than the high food prices. The TV’s on the wall will give you a better view of any of the action you might miss on plays to right or left field. Should the Yankees just eliminate those seats to avoid the contraversy?

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

    Serious question: When do single game tickets go on sale?

    • My Geass Makes You My Slave

      I heard March 14th. Or somewhere near there

  • Matt ’09

    This is by far my biggest pet peeve with the new stadium…

    • BJ

      I realize this is your guys pet issue, but it really doesn’t seem like that big of the deal. You do not get bleacher seats for the bird’s eye view. You get them to be loud and yell asshole and then hate yourself for being too big of a pussy to try to sneak a flask past the Yankee Gestapo. Now that it looks like they are bringing back alcohol it looks like the bleachers will go back to being the greatest place on earth.

      Seriously, if you want a good view, get HD and watch at home, going to the stadium, especially the bleachers, is about the experience, and if they are putting a big TV in the wall then yes it would make the game a much more enjoyable experience. The excitement you get from the bleachers is not about seeing the play unfold on the diamond, it is about feeling the current situation and the tension that builds over the course of the game. Like (I know neither of these will probably happen again) yelling MOOOOOOOOSE when the old man needed a strikeout or getting pumped when Joba came out for the 8th inning. If anything, the TV’s will enhance the bleacher creatures’ ability to follow the action on the field, as you won’t have to crane your neck to look at the newfangled Jumbotron. plus, booze

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

        In my opinion, it’s a big deal because it shows (1) a blatant disregard for the fans and (2) stupidity. The Yanks had plenty of opportunities and ways to design the park so that bleacher seats had unobstructed views. That they chose not to and are seemingly so flippant about it rubs me the wrong way.

        • BJ

          Look, we all love this team, but we realize they are corporate and make decisions that are in the financial best interests of the company over the consumer. That is a part of the life we’ve chosen.

          We know they had a limited amount of space to build the stadium. Either they were going to have those seats with obstructed view on some of the outfield plays (which are admittedly the only plays you see up close from the bleachers) or they were going to axe another 600 seats. Seeing as we all pretty much agree that there are already too few seats, I don’t think that would be acceptable to anyone.

          If they are done in a cool way, I think the TVs could enhance your ability to enjoy and experience the game. I am not sure, I will not know until I see firsthand how bad the “architectural shadow” actually is and if the TVs are big enough and positioned well enough to fit into naturally viewing the game while hopefully giving you a better view of the action. I wouldn’t want to commit long term without knowing what I was signing up for, but I am definitely intrigued enough to try it out, especially at a discount. And it can’t be said enough, but on windy September nights you quickly realize the need for slightly overpriced beer when the only other way to escape the cold is ridiculously overpriced hot dogs.

        • Will

          I agree with BJ here. Look, if you don’t want to sit in the obstructed seats, don’t buy them. Instead of simply not having any seats in the location, the Yankees are giving 600 fans the chance to get in the park for only $5. Considering that many fans just go to the game for the experience, this seems like an ideal arrangement.

          The furor over this issue almost seems like complaining for the sake of argument. Besides, the old Yankee Stadium had many more obstructed seats than will the new one.

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

            Yet if no one complained, those $5 seats would still be $12.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              See? Sometimes, being an annoying, repetitive fuck complaining about injustices really works!

              (h/t Sean Penn)

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

            Look, if you don’t want to sit in the obstructed seats, don’t buy them.

            Ah, if only it were that easy. Did you read our post yesterday that looked at Jay Jaffe’s complaints? He was assigned obstructed view seats, and his only options were between taking those seats and giving up any claim to a package. That’s hardly as much of a choice as you portray.

            • Will

              Jaffe’s seats were behind the foul pole, which are not the same level of obstruction. It means that he either has to move his head a little to the left or right. I’ve sat near the foul pole in the Old place and managed to enjoy the came with little inconvenience. In fact, such seats are much better than being the first or second in a row above a walkway…the constant parade of fans walking by is a much greater distraction than a league mandated yellow pole.

              Jaffe’s post was sanctimonious and exaggerated. The crux of his point is he didn’t get the tickets he wanted. Well, that’s a shame for him, but not the travesty that he implied. As a season ticker holder, I have essentially been given a free PSL by the Yankees for 10 years, even though I am sure they could have sold them for more if opened up to the highest bidder. Guys like Jaffe seem to want what’s best for them only without realizing that others would probably love to have their tickets.

              • steve (different one)

                yes, and unlike the CF restaurant, you HAVE to have a foul pole.

                i’m sorry that King Jaffe from Zumunda happened to get those seats, but that’s just crappy luck.

                it’s baseball. there are foul poles.

                • BJ

                  We should ask Lonn Trost to build a TV into it

        • Marsha

          And one of the reasons the original Yankee Stadium was renovated in the 1970s was that there were obstructed views throughout the stadium thanks to the poles. Stadium gets renovated=no obstructed seats. Renovated stadium gets replaced=obstructed seats. I don’t get it.

          • Will

            The Yankees Stadium being replaced (1976-2008) did have obstructed seats. For example, the outfield wall obstructed that last 10-15 feet of the outfield from the bleachers. In addition, because it was so sloped and close to the field, almost every Tier seat starting from the middle of the baselines toward the OF cut off at least a part of the field. In addition, the angle of seats down the lines in the Main were far from optimal. On the whole, this new stadium will have enhances sightlines and improved comfort. Still, people choose to focus on the small percentage of seats that still contain onbstructions. That is complaining for its own sake.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              For example, the outfield wall obstructed that last 10-15 feet of the outfield from the bleachers.

              I, personally, am quite excited about the fact that the new outfield wall abuts the first row of seats. It will make it that much easier to reach over the wall and pull a Derek Jeter warningtrack flyball into a home run, thus destroying the pathetic Orioles hopes once again.

              Or, dump a beer all over J.D. Drew. That’s good too.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Hey BJ, is “alcohol is kosher in the bleachers again” confirmed? We can sit with the creatures in RF and drink to our heart’s content?

        I’m getting very aroused…

        • KB

          No, LoHud posted an e-mail from the Yanks that said that from the bleachers, you can access other areas of the stadium to get a beer BUT you cannot drink it your bleacher seat.

  • AMS223

    partial plans are already available for premium seats…u just need to ask essentially

    • Rob

      Yup, they tried to get me to upgrade when I called about my partial plan. Just call the premium line: 718-508-3955 and they’ll happily hook you up for $7k a seat on the 20 game plan for sections 212 – 222.

      • Dan

        212-222? you sure about the sections? thoses aren’t all premium seating, nor at they field level.

  • La Costco Nostra

    I’m not gonna rage on seats I don’t give a fuck about.

    Here’s my resolution:

    ????• Barricade access to those seats

    ????• Take the HDTVs off the walls

    ????• Save some money on the fucking Con Ed bill

    Problem solved.

    • anonymous

      Invisible walls.

      There you go everyone. Thank me later.

    • BJ

      Your anti-bleacher bias troubles me, but your name is excellent. I have always believed that the reason Don Corleone wanted to to steer the family away from the drug trade was that he saw a richer future in bulk retail of household goods in a warehouse based setting. If only he had not been shot down before his dream became a reality. That would truly be a story worth telling. Maybe now that Coppola is doing movies again he could do the rewrite.

    • Rob

      I don’t understand why they didn’t angle the cement upward so that the last seat could see over the restaurant. I suppose they don’t want people on the restaurant roof, but I don’t see how that’s any different than the black seats. Just put a guard out there.

      • Stanton Social

        The restaurant is pretty tall … they should have made the bleachers taller… but with no alcohol sold out there and cheap tickets, they obviously didnt see much profit. Just remember when you buy bleacher tickets get them closer to the foul pole at all costs.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I don’t understand why they didn’t angle the cement upward so that the last seat could see over the restaurant.

        I was thinking about that myself: I don’t know why they didn’t build the restaurant in a trapezoidal shape rather than a rectangular one. An angular slope to the wall of, like, 105º (as opposed to 90º) probably would have solved the problem. You lose a few seats in the bleachers (seats that suck and that you’re not getting full price on anyway) and you gain more room for some more tables in the restaurant (tables that probably bring you at least $120 a game for four people or so, probably more.)

    • steve (different one)

      ????• Barricade access to those seats

      this is silly.

      selling them for $5 is a MUUUUUUUUUUCH better solution.

      i would gladly sit in those seats for $5.

      you can still see the entire infield and half the OF. you see all of the pitches, baserunning, ground outs, and half the OF action. that’s probably 90% of the game.

      for $5.

      i said this when this was first announced, as long as you sell the seats at a discount, there shouldn’t be a problem.

      Trost’s attitude is annoying, and i sympathize with the season ticket holders who got screwed, but to me, they have found an acceptable solution to this problem.

      you can argue they shouldn’t have the restaurant at all, but that’s what happens when you try to squeeze every single dime out of your stadium. they should have designed it better, but it’s too late for that. this is the next best option.

  • Ham Fighters

    this is ridiculous. tons of other stadiums have outfield restaurants that didnt create rows of unusable seats. and just to make it worse, the bleacher fans who are being blocked by the restaurant cant even go into the restaruant.

    they had to get the restaruant closer to the field so the rich bastards sitting next to the field can go have dinner and still have a better view than the shlubs who can only afford to go to a couple of games a year and can only afford the bleachers. this is outrageous.

    i want to know the name of the architect who designed this disaster.

    this stadium is strictly for the big fish. the rest of us can just go stick it.

    • Stanton Social

      His name is Hal Steinbrenner

    • Will

      What you leave out is that most stadiums with restaurants have much fewer seats. Yankee Stadium will still have over 52K seats. Even if they completely removed all of the obstructed seats, they would still have the second highest active capacity in the all of MLB (behind the Dodgers; the Twins and A’s don’t sell several thousand “football” seats).

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      they had to get the restaruant closer to the field so the rich bastards sitting next to the field can go have dinner and still have a better view than the shlubs who can only afford to go to a couple of games a year and can only afford the bleachers. this is outrageous.

      This statement is outrageous. They didn’t build a restaurant because they hate poor people and love giving them the screwjob so that rich people can walk all over them and mock them.

      They built a restaurant because they’re not allowed to put seats in the batter’s eye. Virtually every new stadium in the country has a restaurant there. Moreover, I’ve seen nothing indicating that the restaurant will be financially prohibitive to enter. I’m sure many of the ten-dollar-ticket type of fan who sits in the bleachers will slide over to the restaurant every now and then and get a ten-dollar-hamburger.

      Your attempt to spin the restaurant into a class warfare issue is foolish, misleading, and incorrect.

      • Jay CT

        I completely get feeling frustrated about obstructed view tickets and about ticket prices in general. However, this is purely a bitter jealous person. Yes they are expensive, but if someone came to you and offered you four would you turn them down? I think no, which proves you to be a hypocrital little girl.

        • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Dude, chill. Calling someone a “bitter,” “jealous,” “hypocritical little girl” is a bit much, don’t you think?

  • Jay CT

    Damn Joe- You go to a buddy down the street for tickets. You go to a buddy down the street for HDTV. Man up and buy yourself something!

    • jsbrendog


      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        He couldn’t even write his own damn post about ticket prices, he just bogarted Ben’s post from yesterday.

        What a mooch.

        • Jay CT

          Seriously. I am both shocked AND appauled

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      Hey! It’s not like he gives tickets away. On the HD thing, though, I’ve got nothin’.

  • iamthewalrus

    ‘Yet if no one complained, those $5 seats would still be $12.’
    WRONG. The point that everyone is missing is that the PREEMINENT team in all of sports,in the PREEMINENT city in the world, has built an incredibly SHODDY stadium.GREED.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph P.

      I don’t follow why your statement makes my statement wrong.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        LOUD NOISES!!!!!!

    • steve (different one)

      can we maybe wait until the stadium actually opens before calling it “shoddy”?

      i don’t know, that just seems, kindof…dumb.

  • http://DonnieTex Jeff

    Breaking News:

    No-view seats in the new Yankee Stadium to be offered at 50 cents.

    Eligibility: Applicants must first decline any assigned $5 obstructed view seats and enter into a “blind” pool. Tickets will be dispensed based on the results of the eye exams sent to you in your New York Yankees full and partial season ticket package mailings.

    Applicants who donate to the Lon Trost Pinocchio Fund or Mike Francesa Softball Question Fund will be given first preference. You will be given the option of standing behind a wall, fence or corporate box comprised of TARP beneficiaries and Wall Street scoundrels.

    All no-view seating documentation must be submitted by mail or fax by the Feb. 27 deadline.

  • Yankeegirl49

    I just bought tix to see the Yanks in Cleveland the last weekend in May. Paid 50 bucks a ticket for lower level down the 3rd base line for Sat and 25 for upper deck between home and 3rd for Sunday.
    Also catching a game in Pitt..vs the Mets on the way back. 20 bucks lower level.

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  • Kevo

    Is what I read before accurate. If you have bleacher seats you can’t get into the sports bar there? That’s ridiculous!!!!!!