Feb
25

With Stadium opening on tap, Yanks facing fire over tickets

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1957ticketstub As long-time RAB readers know, I have been a particularly vocal critic of the new Yankee Stadium. In fact, until Friday, our mantra was “Because we won’t tear down Yankee Stadium.” While with its faults, old Yankee Stadium and the four million fans it drew each year for the last three years could have been modernized with an overhaul instead of total destruction.

That said, as Opening Day at the new stadium draws nears, I take no pleasure from being able to say “I told you so” to numerous fans and bloggers who assumed the transition to the new digs would be seamless. In fact, the Yanks have come off looking pretty bad as problems with season ticket relocation plans have mounted.

Here at RAB, we touched upon the issue of relocation back on Feb. 2. Since then, the firestorm has grown louder, and things came to an Internet-inspired head yesterday when Jay Jaffe unleashed his tirade against the Yankees. After 11 years of blissful life in the Tier Boxes, Jaffe was relocated to — wait for it — partial view seats behind the foul pole in fair territory in the right field grandstand at a price three times more than he expected. He was angry, angry that the team is jacking up price, angry that they are reducing capacity by over 4600 seats:

Still, even if one could block that all out and simply focus on the relationship between one customer’s wallet and his ability to put his butt in a seat at this new park, the bottom line is that this is an outrage, a disgrace, a catastrophe on the level of Joe Torre summoning Jeff Weaver from the bullpen in Game Four, a Bambino-rolling-in-his-grave nightmare over the successor to the House that Ruth Built. A chorus four million fans strong should be shouting four- and twelve-letter words at Yankee president Randy Levine and every incompetent front-office numbskull who played a role in this fiasco. A pox on the House that George Built.

The Yankees deserve every pixel of bad publicity they receive over this, every blankety-blank karmic quantum of bad yankety-blank karma. My friends and I are hardly the only customers wronged in such a fashion; an informal discussion with a few other longtime Yankees ticket holders who write for various sites (including this one) reveals similarly shoddy treatment. Indeed, all of us who have something at stake short of a full-season ticket package are being screwed because the Yankees have bungled this so badly that they can’t possibly fulfill the demand. So naturally, their impulse is to trample the loyal customers who helped carry them past the three million and four million attendance milestones over the past decade. This is a story worth illuminating, not only to fellow Yankee fans who may commiserate about finding themselves up the same fetid creek, but to baseball fans everywhere.

Jaffe of course isn’t alone. As The Hartford Courant and Newsday explore today, many Yankee fans are feeling slighted by this move, and it’s making even the hardened among us wonder if we should root for this so-called “Stadium Experience” to fail.

The Yankees are mounting their own PR fight over this ticket debacle, but as Ross at New Stadium Insider notes, team COO Lonn Trost is starting off on the wrong foot. Mike Francesca, Ross reports, hopes to have Trost on later, and while Ross presents a bunch of top-notch questions Trost should field, the Yanks’ official took a defiant tone with Newsday’s Neil Bast:

Is there any chance you will drop prices on your most expensive seats? “No, our prices are our prices.”

Is it true there are seats in the bleachers from which you can’t see parts of the field? “Yes, but we will have TVs in the walls there.”

That’s not the same thing as seeing it live, is it? “We had a choice of selling it to somebody or not. If you come to the stadium you’ll see there are TVs in the walls. [Some views are obstructed] a little bit, but for $12 it’s a choice of taking it or not.”

Many of the top price tickets remain unsold; hundreds more fans are upset; and part of me wants to ask, “Who really wanted or needed this fancy new luxury stadium experience thing in the Bronx anyway?” In a few years’ time, we’ll forget about these troubles, but the Yankees should relearn the old maxim that the customer is always right.

Categories : Yankee Stadium
  • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

    … but the Yankees should relearn the old maxim that the customer is always right.

    That may be true, but how much of an affect will all of this have on the Yankees? Honestly, they’ve already sold 3.2 million seats for this season, why should they break a full sweat over this public outcry? People may be complaining, but they’re complaining before, during and after they open their wallets to purchase 3.2 million tickets two months prior to Opening Day.

    I get that bad publicity is bad publicity and no business wants to deal with that, but again, the Yanks aren’t really suffering any significant repercussions over this, are they?

    • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Spoken like someone who does not drop a lot of money on tickets every year to watch the Yankees play. This stuff hurts a lot more when you’re the one shelling out the money (or the one who wants to shell out the money but can’t because they’ve been priced out). I’m a season-ticket holder, and luckily my seats are in the same general area of the new Stadium as they were in the old Stadium and are at the same price-point, but I’m one of the few lucky ones. And, even as one of those who is still a ticket-holder, the change in pricing structure/seating location will certainly affect my future decisions about ticket purchases (and whether or not to even continue with my plan).

      The repurcussion of alienating people and pricing out loyal fans may not hurt the Yankees’ pocketbook this year, but that doesn’t make their actions right. There’s nothing wrong with treating loyal fans well, money aside. And, who knows, maybe in 6 years A-Rod will make Nate Silver look real smart and will suck, and maybe CC will have opted out and the pitching staff will be in shambles and we’ll all be crying about the lost potential of all our prospects, and maybe the Yankees won’t be selling all of those expensive seats anymore (they’re already not selling out too quickly). Maybe, then, alienating and/or pricing out loyal fans won’t look so good, maybe then it won’t be “just business.” I’m certainly not saying any of that is going to happen, and I obviously hope none of it does, I’m just saying, the quick and easy business decision isn’t always the most sound decision.

      • Nady Nation

        Amen Mondesi. I’ve been a partial plan holder for years, and I understand that the Yanks are trying to sell as many season tickets as possible, but the way they’ve strung me along and lied to me is completely unacceptable. If they just told me, “sorry, we’re not going to be able to accomodate you as a partial plan holder. The demand for season tickets was unexpectedly high.”, then at least I’d be able to come to terms with it and move on, as much as it would suck. But my ticket rep has been lying through his teeth to me for literally months now. I’ve asked point blank time and time again, “even if I don’t get my previous plan, will I have the option to buy some other sort of partial plan?”, and his answer has always been a resounding “Yes”, even as recently as 2 weeks ago. Now, spring training has started and I still have not received one word from the Yankees on anything regarding my ticket license, or any potential packages for me to purchase. I’m left with the prospect of paying over face value to asshole ticket brokers who bought up season tickets for the entire grandstand, one of the few affordable areas of the new Stadium. It’s just not the way to treat loyal, long-time paying customers.

        • Nady Nation

          BTW, I realize my rant wasn’t totally about the ridiculous prices per se, but it’s all connected since I clearly can’t afford to be shelling out the $350 per ticket for the remaining plans. The fact that there are so few affordable seats to begin with then comes full circle. They’re basically pricing out even the wealthier ticket holders, which drives them down to the lower ticket price brackets .

      • mustang

        AMEN…AMEN

    • mustang

      Jamal,

      The same cold logic that you express here is the reason this whole thing has been done wrong.
      Your talking about some fans that have had tickets longer then you been alive. Although you maybe right in your statement this is still know way to treat the people who were there when you couldn’t give tickets away.
      By the way there is a trickle-down effect to this whole thing. So save your money and good luck getting tickets.

  • Brian

    It cost an awful lot of money for a stadium that’s just going to get torn down and replaced within the decade.

    Obstructed views are cute if you’re at a stadium built in the 1910′s…

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Hyperbole FTW!

  • Monument Park

    The only way to fight this is to boycott/decline your season ticket seat assignment and hit them where they will feel it the most – in the pocketbook! The game on TV is still free (Sort of)

    • p

      Unfortunately if you boycott and give up your season tickets somebody else will be waiting to scoop em up. Tis the nature of the beast.

      • Steve S

        And thats why there really isnt a firing squad. In the end the place will be packed and they can deal with the slings and arrows of the people who are still coughing up the cash.

  • A different Steve S

    Anyone know when single game tickets go on sale?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

      The answer remains: No one knows. When the Yanks announce this, we’ll post about it. If single-game tickets go on sale, I’d expect it to be around mid-March. The pickings for those will be very, very slim.

      • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Dude you need a big disclaimer across the top of the site. Replace the pretty new banner with “WE DON’T KNOW WHEN SINGLE GAME TICKETS GO ON SALE AND WE’LL POST ABOUT IT WHEN WE DO.” Or maybe that just replaces “because we won’t tear down Yankee Stadium.”

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Ben K.

          I’m glad I’m not the only one sick of people asking this question over and over again. Does anyone think we’re not going to post about it when they go on sale?

          • Kilgore Trout

            I ask too often. I will stop. I did buy tickets to the first sunday homegame through stub hub. 81 bucks after fees for 2 seats halfway up section 420c. Not entirely terrible.

            • jsbrendog

              i got opening day wrigley field seats for 42 dollars each in section 202.

              yankee stadium is completely bullshit and so expensive. im at the point where after they maybe win another world series i hope they get so terrible for an extended period of time that no one wants to go anymore so i can afford to go.

              • Mike Pop

                Traitor!!!

                • jsbrendog

                  benedict brendog.

                  actually its my quarter century bday present to myself. the last blackhawks game of the season v red wings easter sunday and cubs first home game of the season the next day. ive always wanted to go t wrigley. and you only turn quarter century once

        • A different Steve S

          Haha, sorry, I didn’t realize that this was well-traveled territory around these parts. I visit the site all the time, but don’t often have time to read any of the comments. Thanks.

          • CountryClub

            Just go to stub hub and be flexible and patient in your search. You’ll get better seats than you will through the Yankees and at comparable prices.

          • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            lol No worries, obviously most of the people who ask that question don’t realize how many times it’s been asked. It’s just become kind of an annoying/funny thing.

            • http://ibbw.wordpress.com Jamie

              When do playoff tickets go on sale?

              • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi
                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Hey, did you guys hear that ARod did steroids?

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Stop taking me to task. Jerk.

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Mondesi, you arrogant idiot.

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Little help, Bill?

  • Monument Park

    They can take the bleacher seats I was offered. Selling those $12 seats is not what makes them the big $’s.

  • http://newstadiuminsider.com Ross

    I am trying to figure out the best way to make the Yankees pay for this fiasco. As a lifelong Yankee fan, I don’t want to become a Mets fan, so I have been relegated to chronicling my experience via my humble little weblog. It seems to have raised some awareness on the issue, but at the end of the day, the Yankees are laughing their way to the bank. The whole “don’t buy tickets thing” argument is laughable – New York City is a big enough market that the tickets will be sold. The main point here is that the people who were FAITHFUL to the Yankees and supported them in the OLD Stadium are the ones getting the shaft. Yes, LONG TIME season ticket holders with seniority in the 70′s, 80′s and even early 90′s (before the strike) have been taken care of. Believe it or not, I used to go to more games when I didn’t have season tickets, but once I was able to afford them with a postseason guarantee in 2005, I jumped on board. I used to go to 30 games per year and then be forced to watch at home in the playoffs. Once I got my B plan in 2005, I was able to enjoy the best playoff atmosphere in the world.

    Because of the Yankees greed (insane ticket prices for premium seats, fear tactics to sell full-season plans), I have now been downgraded to a 20 game plan in a mediocre location and I am back to square one – watching the playoffs from home. It really makes me question why I am so loyal to the team and to the Yankee brand.

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      FWIW, (and NO, I know this doesn’t mean the team is justified in they manner they handled this seat relocation deal), the Yankees “greed” has provided us with 26 titles in the bank, as well as Tex, CC, AJ, Posada, ARod, Jeter, etc. etc. etc.

      Being a Yankee fan is an awesome experience, but it requires a financial cost.

      • iamthewalrus

        “Being a Yankee fan is an awesome experience, but it requires a financial cost.”
        Probably the most assinine thing I have ever heard.

        • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Taken. To. Task.

          (walrus – that comment is directed at tsjc and is a joke, it’s not directed at you.)

  • CountryClub

    Bitch, bitch, bitch. That’s all anyone does these days. I swear it’s the worst part of the internet. Listen, these people dont have to buy their tickets. If they dont like what they’re being offered they should just not buy the tickets. They can probably get better seats (for cheaper) if they buy single games on stub hub anyway. I’ve already looked into certain games and I wasnt surprised to find many good seats selling for well below face value…even in the infield lower level sections. Obviously that doesnt count the Sox or Mets games. But if you;re willing to go see the Jays or Tigers, etc… you can get real good deals.

    • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      “Bitch, bitch, bitch. That’s all anyone does these days. I swear it’s the worst part of the internet.”

      Um, dude, your comment was just a big bitch-session about people bitching.

      • CountryClub

        hahaha, very true.

        • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          And I bitched about your bitching. We’re totally through the looking glass here.

          • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Jerry: Where are you?
            Kramer: I’m at… First and First. I must be at he nexus of the universe!!!

  • Ace

    Ben – you have every right to say ‘told you so’ I just read Jaffe’s article and it’s a disgrace the way the Yanks are treating their fans. It honestly makes me question my loyalty to the team. Do I love the fact that they went out and bought CC, Burnett and Teixiera? Of course I do, I want the Yanks to win. But at what price? I would rather have Phil Hughes in the rotation than Burnett and pay less $ for a Tier Box seat. Did we really need to outbid the Brewers by 60 million to land CC? I personally do not believe so. The payroll is out of hand, the ticket prices are way too high and the blue-collar fan is being punished as a result of it. I bought tiuckets on stubhub for aone of the Cubs exhibition games because I am curious about the stadium but I am not planning on attending any more games when I can just watch them on TV.

    I am a Brewers fan as well and could literally fly to Milwaukee for a weekend, stay at the Astor Hotel for 2 nights, catch 2 games in decent loge-type seats and still spend less $ than I would on 1 luxury seat to a game at the new park.

    Ridiculous.

    • whozat

      You act as though signing AJ Burnett is what set the ticket prices in the new stadium. That’s not even close to true. They set the ticket prices at what they thought they’d sell for. Reducing the number of seats cranked the demand, and its working. Maybe they put in too many luxury boxes, given the way the economy has tanked…but the regular seats don’t seem to have any trouble getting sold, so it looks like they priced them right.

      • Ace

        Are you telling me if we had the same payroll as say the Blue Jays that the prices at the stadium would be the same? No way. One of the reasons the prices are so high because the team spends an enormous amount of $ on free agents every year. Do we really need to have a payroll that is $70 million higher than the next team?

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Do we really need to have a payroll that is $70 million higher than the next team?

          Yes.

    • El Generalissimo

      But that’s not the yankees, its the difference in cost of living between NYC and Milwaukee.

      • Ace

        What? The prices at Yankee stadium are higher than air fare, hotel and tickets because it costs more to live in NYC? That makes no sense.

        • http://ibbw.wordpress.com Jamie

          Yes. It does. Look at the average median price of family homes in both areas and that’ll smack you right in the face Ace. Hey I made a rhyme.

          In all seriousness, that’s the best barometer to end this debate.

          NYC = $ 399,900
          http://www.housingtracker.net/.....k-new-york

          Milwaukee = $ 204,000
          http://www.housingtracker.net/.....-wisconsin

          That’s a pretty hefty difference, and it doesn’t factor in the tax differences as well. God I don’t even want to look those numbers up.

          • Ace

            I still don’t see what that has to do with the price of baseball tickets. Are you saying the more $ it costs to live somewhere the more $ it costs to see that cities team play baseball?

            • http://ibbw.wordpress.com Jamie

              Exactly. Its simple Economics. Yes, I realize that simple Economics calls into a TON of assumptions. But I will list mine below and you can refute if you do not agree.

              1) If it costs more to live somewhere, a basic assumption is that the majority of people living within that area (NY, NJ, CT greater metro area) earn more $$ and more than likely have a higher disposable income than say Milwaukee. The difference in earning power within each area is drastic, thus higher disposable income.

              2)Having a higher disposable income in an area leads to more people spending said disposable income on recreation activities, such as baseball games. Now, yes NYC area is the most rabid and dedicated when it comes to Professional Sports, no doubt about it. However, the same logic stands if you look at Philly, Boston, even SF.

              Now for our specific situation. The Yankees realize that there is this, “perfect storm” of potential customers in NYC area. Thus, to maximize revenue, they increase prices dramatically. Like any business would. Remember, thats all the Trosts and Levines care about. Bottom Line Numbers.

              NOW, where this all goes to @$!@, is when the Yankees actually think they have an inelastic product. That’s just pure stupidity, in my opinion. However, we shall see how the real $$$ tickets end up when the season starts. The Yanks better realize that there are a ton of prior clients (Lehman, Bear, Merrill, AIG, GE) that won’t be shelling out the dough for those top seats to swoon their uber wealthy clients.

              /Econ class adjourned

              • Ace

                St. Louis = $163,900 – 2008 avg ticket price = $29.32

                http://www.housingtracker.net/.....s-missouri

                Denver = $309,900 – 2008 avg ticket price = $19.50

                http://www.housingtracker.net/.....r-colorado

              • Ace

                I understand where you care coming from but I doubt it’s consistency throughout the league. I literally picked 2 teams at random and this is what I got.

                St. Louis = $163,900 – 2008 avg ticket price = $29.32

                Denver = $309,900 – 2008 avg ticket price = $19.50

    • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Did we really need to outbid the Brewers by 60 million to land CC?

      Yes.

      • Nady Nation

        No…YEEEEEEEEEEES!

        Score!

      • Ace

        Seriously, why? I really don’t get it.

        • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Because he preferred to play elsewhere. We had to make the financial incentive great enough to mollify his preference to return to California (and stay in the NL).

          We weren’t really paying him 60M to pick us over the Brewers, per se, just paying him 60M more than anyone else to prevent the Giants, Dodgers, or Angels from making a legitimate counteroffer (that he may well have taken.) And those counteroffers likely would have been in the 120M range, so perhaps the more appropriate answer to your question should have been this:

          Did we really need to outbid the Brewers by 60 million to land CC?

          “No, but we really did need to outbid the Giants, Dodgers, and Angels by 40 million to land CC.”

          I was just being snarky and didn’t want to type all that shit out. My bad.

          • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            I agree and I think there’s another angle to this… If CC’s free agency ran the normal course, the deal he signed with the Yankees would probably not have, in the end, been $60 million higher than the next most-competitive offer. The Yankees seem to have made a calculated maneuver to blow the other bidders out of the negotiation before they could even, really, get involved. If the yankees had started with a lower bid, more in line with the bids offered by the competition, the competition may have stayed in the bidding longer and submitted higher bids than they did. It’s just my opinion, but I thought the Yankees decided to just (1) show CC some “love” (per Cashman) and (2) end the bidding before it really began, at the same time.

            • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Add into the equation that CC had to be the first domino to fall in order for us to pursue our other priorities (like Burnett and Teixeira) with the proper leverage, and it makes the pre-emptively high over to CC all the smarter. Had we not forced those other teams out of the CC derby, the rest of the winter could have been very different, and not in a good way.

  • Chris

    I’m curious what percentage of fans have been screwed by the seat relocations. I’ve talked to some people who have season tickets that are perfectly happy with where they ended up, so it’s not universally bad. If we’re talking just a couple percent (which could still be thousands of people) then I don’t know that it’s avoidable. If it’s more like 20%, then it’s a much bigger issue.

    • Stanton Social

      I also want to add, and this will probably make people even more pissed off, but…

      The same number of fans who are outraged at there new relocation, is offset by the number of people who have great seats and are going to pay premium money for the best. People dont yet realize what this stadium is. It’s OUTRAGEOUSLY state of the art. Now obstructed views suck and there was clearly some design flaws, the 95% of seats in this place are phenomenal.

      I actually think the TVs in the walls of the obstructed view corner bleachers is a great idea. For a $12 ticket… at least they came up with a creative way, and youre not just shit out of luck.

      Again, I understand peoples frustration, but they ONLY people who should really be frustrated are the ones who could have afforded to stay in the same seats and still got shafted. The one thing I know is the Yankees have gone above and beyond to reach out to “insiders” with the organization who have the money for premium seating, which is why a lot of people got moved. A lot of the deals they are making now, are long term loyalty deals.

      It absolutely sucks that fans get priced out and Im sure the Yankees sympathize with them, but at the same team a 200 million payroll and the desire of a championship every year from fans who demand it dictate the price. It’s just business and as much as it sucks, the people that complain about the seats are the same ones who complain about needing an allstar at every position… you cant have it both ways.

      • Ace

        “the people that complain about the seats are the same ones who complain about needing an all-star at every position… you cant have it both ways.”

        You are absolutely correct.

        • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Disagree. I think there are plenty of people here complaining about the various seating SNAFUS who are not complaining about the Yankees needing an All-Star at every position. And since, you know, the Yankees had an insanely high payroll and plenty of All-Stars in the old Stadium, you can’t argue that the Yankees need to price people out of the new Stadium just to have a high payroll.

          • Ace
            • Ace

              They need to price people out so the can make money. They need to make money because they are spending like mad and are losing $. They are spending like mad because they want an all-star at every position.

              • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                No offense to Cashmoney, but I don’t think the Yankees actually lost money (taking into consideration all of their revenue streams and related businesses). So I just don’t accept that the Yankees need the new Stadium in order to sustain their payroll.

                So now it’s the Yankees who need an All-Star at every position and not “the people that complain about the seats [who] are the same ones who complain about needing an all-star at every position?”

                • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  The Yankees don’t need to build a new stadium so they can increase prices so they can increase payroll.

                  The Yankees wanted to build a new stadium so they could increase prices so they could have a bigger financial advantage enabling them to increase payroll. That’s the correct equation.

                  Jacob Ruppert bought Babe Ruth so that he could build his own stadium, so that he could make more money, so that he could buy more Babe Ruths, so that he could build better stadiums, so that he could make more money, so that he could buy more Babe Ruths, etc. etc. etc.

                  It’s like a vicious cycle, only it spins upwards and not downwards.

                • Ace

                  I’m going to have to go with Cashman on this one, no offense. And yes, it’s both. I think the fans demand the talent from the Yanks and the Yanks respond by giving it to them so they can make $ and the fans who demanded it in the first place bitch about the prices they are being charged. So like that dude said, the same people who are demanding talent are bitching and you can’t have it both ways.

                  The Yanks COULD have had Dioneer Navarro catching this year and last year at a much lower cost than Posada. They COULD have Phil Hughes in the rotation instead of high-priced Burnett. They COULD have had CC at a much lower price, I believe. There are 3 reasonable examples of how they prefer all-stars over saving $.

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Ace – I know the Yankees prefer All-Stars, any rational person does. I was just pointing out the change in your argument. It’s not fair to say “the people complaining about prices are the people who complain about the Yankees not having Hall of Famers at every position.”

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  PS: Obviously I’m not bothering to do any legwork on this topic so I don’t expect (or intend) to convince anyone… But do you also believe all the other teams that claim to lose money every year? All these teams claim poverty, I just don’t believe it because there are independent studies out there showing how financially successful MLB, and the individual teams, are. Again, no legwork done here, so I guess I suck. lol

          • Stanton Social

            That is a valid point Mondesi, but the Yankees are a business, in the end. There goal is to win championships and maximize revenue.

            Supply and Demand. If the tickets weren’t selling they would lower prices. The mere fact is the tickets are selling overwhelmingly well, in a devastating recession, makes you realize when things get stable the demand will only increase.

            In the old stadium the Yankees team portion basically ran an operating loss for the last few years. The YES portion more then makes up for it, dont get me wrong, but there is a balance between making money and hurting loyal fans. I have heard about 20 complaints about obstructed views, people being priced out, and people being pissed because of relocation. On the other hand, I have also heard more then 20 stories of people really happy and really excited for the new stadium.

            There are a small percentage of people though, who can afford great seats that just got screwed. Sadly, it’s the way things are.

            • http://ibbw.wordpress.com Jamie

              Stanton, very good point on the actual operating loss that the Yanks have currently (when it comes to the team). A lot of people don’t care to recognize this which really pisses me off to tell you the truth.

            • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              “That is a valid point Mondesi, but the Yankees are a business, in the end. There goal is to win championships and maximize revenue.”

              I think this is where I differ from some people here. I respect that opinion and I’m not trying to convince you otherwise, but I disagree with the spirit of that statement. I don’t want to get into a dissertation on the subject, but briefly: I don’t think the Yankees, or any professional sports franchise, is “just a business.” The Yankees do not sell widgets. I view professional sports franchises differently, I think there’s an element of pseudo-public ownership involved. I’ve never written about this so I’m not sure what the best term is, it’s probably not “pseudo-public ownership,” but hopefully my intent isn’t too obscured by my poor choice of words. It’s the reason why I think it’s despicable when teams (Sonics, for a recent example) move. Sports franchises are not, or at least, should not, be pure money-making enterprises. These teams are very important to many people’s local identity and connection with their hometown and with their neighbors. As a Yankees fan, I’m not rooting for the Steinbrenners’ business interests. I root for my hometown team, and I root for the team the people of my hometown love. So… I just disagree. I start from a different basic premise. I don’t think it’s just a plain and simple business.

              • Stanton Social

                Neither do I, but you are completely neglecting the business component to it.

                • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  No, I’m not. Please re-read. I’m just saying I think there’s more than JUST the business aspect of it.

  • Andy In Sunny Daytona

    Living in Daytona Beach, Florida I am obviously not affected. But it seems to me that the people being affected the most are partial season ticket holders. Is that correct? Are the Yankees still drastically moving full season ticket holders?

    • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      I can’t speak for others but I (season-ticket holder) wasn’t moved far. Then again, I started out way up in the tier anyway, so there wasn’t too far for me to be moved. But even for those who weren’t moved far, for most people there were significant price increases. My impression is that most people were negatively affected to some extent, and, yeah, the partial-plan holders seem to have gotten the shaft worse than others.

    • Nady Nation

      Definitely (for your partial plan question). As you can see from my little rant above, I’ve actually gone from 15 games a year, to nothing.

  • Chad D

    I got screwed. My 20 game flex plan went from me requesting 41 games to getting 12 games. At least offer me 2 12 game packs!

  • WhizzoTheWize

    Whizzo likes his couch just fine.

    Beer is always cold and cheep,
    the view unobstructed,
    and Sindney Ponson starts gleefully channel-surfed through.

    • Mike Pop

      I love how you refer to yourself in 3rd person.

      • http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/CRsmithT1.jpg tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Tommie can’t believe that Mike Pop totally flubbed that golden opportunity. Mike Pop should have said, “Mike Pop loves how Whizzo refers to himself in the 3rd person.”

        Mike Pop has let Rickey down.

  • Jake H

    I feel for you guys. I live in KC so I won’t be getting to a game anytime this year.

  • claybeez

    We’ve had partials since 2007, the first baseball season in which we lived in NY. We have not received a packet or invoice. I somehow got through to the Ticket Office today. Sounds like we may not even be able to purchase a plan. I guess our only hope is that others will turn down their plans and take the “pool” option instead leaving is with some available seats.

    The whole thing pisses me off and not just as it relates to our situation. Count me in on the opposite team of the “capitalism at all costs”, “whatever the market can bear crowd”. Greed is greed

  • http://DonnieTex Jeff

    I need help, guys.

    I’ve had an E-Plan (8 mid-week games) for five years. I converted that into the new 11-game (mid-week) plan. They are offering me Grandstand Dugout Sect. 416 (right behind first base), which is comparable to what I had with the E-Plan.

    The 11-game plan is $282 per seat, total. I have four (4) seats, at $1.125.

    The most valueable tickets in the Plan are the Red Sox game on 8/6. They are worth at least $80 each if resold.

    As for the other 10 games in the plan, the resale value of the tickets averages at about $18 per seat.

    The the cost of the plan seems just about right, and the seats are not bad. However, I can buy most of the seats in my plan at or below cost on Stubhub, etc. The are mostly unpopular, midweek games.

    So the larger question is, is it worth buying the plan just to keep my season ticket seniority and have access to playoff tickets, which I might not be able to afford anyway?

    I need some clarity. Some commom sense.

    Thanks guys,

    Jeff

  • mustang

    One thing I want to bring up here is that a lot of this could have been fixed if the Yankees would have started this whole process earlier.
    They knew they were getting a new stadium the team didn’t even make the playoff last year. Why couldn’t of they start the relocation process earlier so problems could be addressed?

  • Jesse

    From what Jeff said, I’m wondering if we wouldn’t have been screwed by the Relocation Process if we had opted to stick with our smaller package instead of upgrading to a larger partial-season package. That’s sort of ironic.

    We decided to upgrade from an 8-game mid-week package to the 20 game package, figuring that if we upgraded, certainly we’d stand a good chance of getting roughly the same tickets we had before. And although it was annoying that they were going from $12 to $25, we decided to bite the bullet. We love going to the games, and our seats (Tier Reserved behind home plate, not too high up, on the aisle) were perfect. What they offered us were the last row of the farthest section of the field level way out in left field. Which is basically a bleacher seat being packaged as “field level” to jack the price up to $85 a seat.

    So, not only were we willing to pay more than twice as much for our tickets, we were also willing to commit to buying more than twice as many tickets! And still we got the shaft! From what I’ve seen, the only people who got treated right are people who were willing to upgrade to the FS package. So basically, if I wanted the same seats as we had in the old stadium, I would have had to plunk down $4k up front and essentially turn myself into a ticket broker to get rid of the extra 60 games that I didn’t want. And who does that benefit? The Yankees and StubHub. Big surprise.

  • jeremy

    Hope people are still checking this thread, had no idea where to post this:

    From poster “SultanofWhat @BaseballFever:

    Lon Trost on WFAN: 600 obstructed seats in bleachers that will sell for $5. Some were invoiced at $12; that will be corrected.

    More seats behind foul pole (1500 seats on each side) that will have somewhat of an obstruction.

    The Yankees had to cut off the sale of season ticket plans to allow for partial plans and some game-day availability. There was a surprising 24% increase (over a 7% increase the previous year) in season ticket requests. There were 39,000 season plans sold in 2008.

    The Yankees have sold 75% of 104 available of some sort of seat (didn’t catch if it was suites or some other premium seating). [Can someone suggest what Trost was talking about?]

    All luxury boxes but 7 have sold [this seems to have been stagnant for months].

    40-60 people in party suites.

    16-22 people in luxury suites.

    Trost expects all non-premium seats to be sold out this year. Says the perception of corporate spending may be impacting premium sales more than the actual shortfall of available assets.

    Sponsorship (signage, etc.) not affected “one iota”.

    Trost is about to answer questions on WFAN from some season-ticket holders (this could get ugly).

  • Rob S.

    I would just like to make one point. Be mad at the pencil pushers and front office jabronies that are responsible for this mess. Seperate the Yankees team from the Yankees organization because clearly the baseball people are not responsible. I’m a fan of Yankees BASEBALL, I could care less what people say about Lon Trost or Randy Levine. It is pretty stupid though and they should have given longtime season ticket holders comparable seats.

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  • Big Tony

    Our company is in the media business and we need the tickets as much as we want them. $700.00 per game before the first beer is a bit steep and I can see why the Yankees are having a hard time selling out as they planned.

    1. If the price drops to fill the seats I hope the NYY’s will do the right thing for those who paid face value. Litigation is such an easy thing these days and the NYY’s don’t need any more bad PR. Such as, “Ripping off the fans”.

    2. If I’m sitting in a field box is it too much to ask to see the game? The old field box seats were 4 across. Now there are 10 seats!!! So every time someone wants food or has to hit the head as many as 5 people could have to get up. Why they did not keep these $350.00 seats with 4 across is beyond me.

    3. There should be electronic ordering of food from every $350.00 seat. The people giving orders to the servers takes a long time. Now that there are 10 seats across you as a fan will have to pass food and money! I can see this in $80.00 seats but at $350.00 you want me to serve other people their food and drinks and stuffed animals. Then you want me to handle their money? I know this sounds stuck-up but if I wanted THAT type of experience I would not be paying $700.00 a game!

    4. The vendors hocking their wares are a pain. It’s as if half the game is spent trying to look around people selling things so the Yankees can make money but the Yankees forget I’m there to see the game not spend 3 hours at HSN or QVC. Between the soda, water, beer, hot dogs, cotton candy, ice cream, cracker jacks, stuffed animals, programs and everything else you’ve got a min. of 10 types of vendors not counting food delivery that are always in your face. I HOPE the NEW stadium will allow fans to see the game and not be FORCED to watch and hear vendors sell their stuff and ruin the game, block the steps and so on.

    5. If I’m paying $700.00 to see the game it kills me that people sneak into my seats and I have ask someone to see their ticket as they pretend they are lost or just act dumb. At time you have to call the “chain guard” and then everyone’s view is blocked as the person has to get out of the seat everyone has to get up and leave and then you get in your seat. There needs to be better security and no rotation of the guards at each section. That way each guard gets to know most of the season ticket holders.

    6. Are people with $350 and above tickets going to have to wait in a general admission line? Security can take a long time and some of the people are rude. I don’t mind a guy sticking his hand inside my wife’s pocketbook but try and do it with some class. some of the security staff enjoys going through “well off” peoples things and they enjoy probing well beyond what is required.

    7. Cell phones, cameras and even key chains can “ALL” take movies now. It’s such a pain to see security people running up to someone and asking “are you taking a moving picture”. The grab the camera, force the person to show them how to use it say we’re going to take your cell phone, your camera, your key chain!! It’s Nazi like. I can see in the 80′s when video was a big thing but it’s 2009. Let the armatures take their 30 second clips if they want. Leave the fans alone, let them enjoy the game and let take these clips home and use them as PR tools to get other to fill the seats. These cameras can’t compete with YES, FOX or MLB or a SI photo shoot. This OLD rule is just that OLD. It’s 2009 and the fan’s exp is about sharing it at home. Think of it as 50,000 people during a game acting as FREE PR for the Yankees, Yankee Stadium and baseball.
    8. Let the fans know sooner if the game is going to be called because of weather. Tricking the fans to show up to buy beer is a dirty trick. Let people give their cell phone numbers and text fans in a timely manner as to the status of the game. Also allow the YES Network to scroll across the bottom of the screen the status of the game. YES shows classic games as we wait for the status. Most people in Manhattan who are corporate season ticket holders are all scrambling to get the status of games. Help us our New York Yankees, play fair. Give a up to the minute way to find out what’s going on. We just want the truth.

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