The Gene Orza underbelly of the A-Rod scandal

The RAB Radio Show - February 9, 2009, Episode 13
Two sides to the A-Rod debate

While A-Rod‘s name, as we mentioned in the podcast, will be in the steroid-related headlines for the foreseeable future, the Gene Orza scandal should have deeper ramifications across baseball. Earlier today, Jon Heyman wrote about how the union failed to do its job.

That list would have been long gone if not for the union; according to three baseball sources familiar with the testing process, players union COO Gene Orza worked long and hard to try to pare down the list. Orza’s mission, SI’s sources say, was to find enough false positives on the list to drive the number of failures so far down that real testing wouldn’t be needed in 2004 or ever.

Orza wanted to get the list down below the five percent threshold for testing to go away entirely. But after months of trying, Orza couldn’t do it, and baseball announced that a curiously imprecise 5-7 percent of players failed the 2003 survey test, enough to ramp up the testing in 2004, much to the union’s dismay.

And when BALCO investigators asked for the results of the players linked to that scandal, Orza did what came naturally to him, which was to fight. He had a history of winning his fights, so that gave him confidence that he could win this fight.

But this time he didn’t win. The feds subpoenaed all the records instead of just the BALCO boys.

All 104 players who tested positive were now at risk.

If I were one of those 103 other players, I wouldn’t be feeling too good about myself or the union leaders right now. This move could very well cost Orza his job, as Shysterball speculated, and the union some leverage during the next round of labor talks in 2011. If Orza, as originally reported, tipped off A-Rod to an impending drug test, the fallout will be even worse.

I can’t defend A-Rod though because of Orza’s ineptitude. He took steroids; he lied about it on national television; and his 40-hour silence has been deafening. Just because his name shouldn’t have been associated with his supposedly anonymous sample doesn’t excuse his behavior or actions. But the people he entrusted with his secrets have let him down, and that thread of this story will linger for a long, long time.

The RAB Radio Show - February 9, 2009, Episode 13
Two sides to the A-Rod debate
  • David

    Why do you assume what was written is true. The so-called journalist has a hit-book out on A-Rod. She has all the reason in the world to try to gain attention. And this is the same person that went after the Duke Lacrosse players.

    • The Evil Empire

      Exactly, A-Rod has been ACCUSED of testing positive, until he apologizes, or admits, he’s innocent. Too bad that no matter what happens now, or whether this so true or not his legacy is tarnished. &*#^ SI

      • Jay CT

        You are showing your age with this post. Although you are correct, he is innocent until proven guilty, this isn’t an out of the blue idea. He was on a team infested with users. He was named in detail in Canseco’s book, which, although people can argue, has seemed to have a great deal of truth to it, etc… Yesterday the posts were, “She should give up her sources.” Today she is a “so called” reporter.

        The fact is baseball was infested with steroids and HGH. No one should be suprised, and truthfully I think the entire matter is boring. Steroids were not illegal in the game at the time. I have more of a problem with ARod cheating on his wife and hooking up with Madonna (really? a 50 year old?) then the steroids.

        • Ed

          He was named in detail in Canseco’s book, which, although people can argue, has seemed to have a great deal of truth to it

          Yes, there seems to be a lot of truth in Canseco’s book. There also seems to be things that he very clearly made up. There were stories he was very specific about in the book that were later proven to be false. I forget the details offhand, but one such instance was a conversation he described having with an opposing team’s second baseman while he was on base. It was later shown that he was never on second base when that player was in the game.

          Steroids were not illegal in the game at the time.

          Steroids are a controlled substance. The use of controlled substances without a prescription is a felony. Despite the occasional attempt by a state to make things like marijuana legal, federal law trumps all else. Even if Selig was to come out and say MLB would allow steroids, it would still be illegal to use steroids.

          In addition to that, MLB policy has always stated that the use of prescription drugs without a valid prescription, and the standard player contract bans the use of illegal substances.

          Yes, there was no steroid testing before 2003. There were no standard penalties before 2004. That doesn’t mean it was legal.

    • Pablo Zevallos

      I agree 100%, but how much benefit of the doubt can we give him considering that he’s said nothing denying it?

      • Ben K.

        Yeah. I responded here. The evidence is not in his favor right now, and unless he can and does dispute it, it’s looking like his sample was on that 2003 list.

        • Pablo Zevallos

          Oh, I posted a minute late. Sorry about that.

          • Pablo Zevallos

            No, I was looking at the thread below. Wow, nevermind.

  • The Evil Empire

    Why should he lose his job? He tried to help, he couldn’t.

    That slut from Sports Illustrated should be sued, I really hope SI goes down the drain. What have they accomplished by ratting out A-Rod? I guess it’s good, no wait, great, for business. AHHHH! I hate the press so much

    • Ben K.

      That slut from Sports Illustrated should be sued

      Really? Is that necessary? Would you be using the same terminology if Tom Verducci or Jon Heyman wrote it? Tone down the slurs.

      The job of the press is to report the news. She confirmed this information with four sources, and The New York Times has since confirmed it with two of its own sources. Considering the verification and the fact that no one has yet disputed the results, I’d say it’s a pretty compelling case.

      • The Evil Empire

        Sorry about the swearing

        She worked for the Times before, there’s an obvious connection there. And it’s not the same, she went after the list, she wanted the spotlight and she knew it would bring publicity.

        • Ben K.

          Untrue. If you read what we reported about her interview with Costas or watched it, you’d see that she didn’t go after the list and in fact never saw the list. That, I think, is the strongest piece of this story that could help A-Rod.

          Rather, she was in the midst of reporting a feature on A-Rod for SI’s baseball previews, and during the course of reporting, a source told her that A-Rod was on the list. Instead of confirming it with one other source as most journalists do, she confirmed it with three other sources. She also gave A-Rod a chance to respond before printing the story. He had no comment and referred her to the union.

          She then wrote the story as she should with the biggest piece of news upfront. If you don’t like the press for doing it, that’s certainly your valid opinion. But you can’t really impeach her for how she reported or wrote the story at this point.

          • The Evil Empire

            So who are the sources? How do we know there were three sources and not two one, or none?
            We don’t

            She ruined someone’s career and image. And for what? To write a story!?
            Why would someone go to her and say “hey i got this story for you, you can have it, here”. She obviously went after it, I’m sure she’s the one that made all the calls.
            It just doesn’t happen like that, a reporter doesn’t stumble on to something this big, someone gained something from this, and it was obviously her. Just cause she’s a reporter doesn’t mean she should be allowed to write a story and say it came from “sources”.

            • iYankees

              I’m glad she told us. I mean, it’s tough but ignorance is not bliss. You may have felt better at the end of the day not knowing the reality of the situation, but the people deserve to know the truth. Frankly, I find all of your comments somewhat pathetic. You’re using the same excuses government officials use to tear down whistle blowers. It’s sad.

              • The Evil Empire

                Is it proven? Has someone actually confirmed that the allegations are true?
                Until someone not named a “source” confirms or until Alex apologizes this is meaningless information. It’s ironic that you mention ignorance is bliss, you chose to believe a reporter who stumbles upon this, and coincidentally writing a book about A-Rod.
                And even if it’s the truth, is it her job to tell us? She’s utilizing the opportunity in her favor, it’s wrong.
                What’s even worse is that no one is going to talk about how wrong she is, because she is the press, and the press won’t talk about themselves.
                A-Rod has not broken any laws, even if he did take steroids in 2003. So do people deserve the truth? Just cause it’s true does it mean people deserve to know? We are not forced to watch baseball, we’re not the ones that write his check. The only people who deserve to know are the Yankee brass and MLB, not us.
                It all comes down to privacy:
                “The First Amendment has never been construed to accord newsmen immunity from torts or crimes committed during the course of newsgathering. The First Amendment is not a license to trespass, to steal, or to intrude by electronic means into the precincts of another’s
                Dietemann v. Time, Inc., 449 F.2d 245, 249 (9th Cir. 1971).”

                • jsbrendog

                  And even if it’s the truth, is it her job to tell us?

                  The job of the press is to report the news

                  yes. it is.

                • Nady Nation

                  “A-Rod has not broken any laws, even if he did take steroids in 2003. ”

                  Correct me if I’m wrong, but steroids were illegal in the United States in ’03 without a prescription. So if this is true, A-Rod did in fact break a law.

                • jsbrendog

                  legislature burn!

          • Ed

            One thing I’m curious about with these anonymous sources… how exactly does the verification process work?

            Does Selena Roberts say to her editor “I’ve got 4 people whose names I can’t repeat that say A-Rod took steroids.” ?

            Does she say to her editor “A-Rod took steroids. I’ve verified it with Name #1, Name #2, Name #3, and Name #4, but they all asked to be anonymous, so don’t repeat the names.” ?

            Does she give her editor a list of names, at which point her editor verifies the information before approving it?

            In short, if a member of the press was willing to risk their reputation to spread a false story, how hard would it be?

            • Ben K.

              Some reading on anonymous sources and current journalistic process:

              A 2008 piece from The Times Public Editor on the paper’s use of anonymous sources. That answers how The Times was able to verify the reporting.

              Here is a more general look at the debate over anonymous sources from a 1994 issue of the American Journalism Review. The issues are still relevant today.

              • Ed

                Thanks Ben, those articles were interesting.

                It sounds like before the new policies in 2004, anonymous sources quoted by the Times weren’t verified at all. But with the new policies, it sounds like we can trust the Times did their homework. I also doubt they’d go out on a limb and publish a verification of a story like this unless they were damn sure of it.

                • jsbrendog

                  te only problem with trying to say that we can trust the times because it seems like they verified their stories is that within the past 5 years they have fired 2 reporters for blatantly MAKING things up.

                • Ed

                  Yeah, well, the story Ben linked describes what they did in response to those scandals.

                  The one flaw I see though is the article simply says the Times requires at least one editor to know the identity of an anonymous source. It doesn’t say that the editor verifies the information with the source, so maybe you could still pull off fake sources.

                • jsbrendog

                  yeah i should prob have read that first. my bad

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona

        From the NYT
        “The two people who confirmed Rodriguez’s result spoke on the condition of anonymity because they did not want to jeopardize their access to sensitive material.”

        That, and they don’t want to go to jail.

    • Pablo Zevallos

      Absolutely no need to be a misogynist about it. She did her job, highly questionable motives and all, and just because the truth hurts like a bitch doesn’t mean that she’s (necessarily) wrong.

    • LB

      There is no need to call her a slut.

  • The Evil Empire

    IF it’s true, does this mean that he ONLY used it in 2003 and or before. Didn’t MLB make it mandatory to take the test after 04, so does that mean his numbers from 04 and on are “real”?

    • iYankees

      Unless he was tipped off by Orza for subsequent tests. That’s a huge bombshell that could ruin things for the union.

  • Rich

    So Orza was too cute by half…on steroids.

  • JimT

    To me the most important aspect of this story is proof positive of how the Players Union has facilitated the use of PEDs. The fact that ARod or any other individual was implicated really shouldn’t suprise. If this ends up as “a pile on ARod” story then I will be very disappointed. Sure ARod cheated, but so did over a hundred others (maybe several hundred others). What really is concerning is that the Union had first hand knowledge of PED abuse and was complicit in its coverup.

    The implications of this coverup are huge. The Union was saying that they favored cheaters over non cheaters, they will work to protect you if you are a cheater, the health and welfare of its members is less important than the protection of its rouge members reputations and Baseball’s historic records are less inportant to the Union than the next record contract. If I was a player that didn’t use PEDs I would feel betrayed and would insist that this “bed of snakes” be immediately replaced.

    The time has come to expose every player that used PEDs. The Players Union and MLB need to air all of its “dirty laundry”. It is fundamentaly wrong for some players to become a pariah while others equally quilty skate. It is also time for the players to get Union representatives that work for all its members. To stop “Collectively Bargaining” testing for current and future PEDs and to end the “culture of coverup”.

    Now is the time for MLB, owners, its players and the Players Union to put all of their cards on the table and expose the name of every know test failure. If the Union leadership is incapable of this kind of openness then all the more reason for them to be replaced. For the health of its players, the sanctity of its records and future confidence of its fans all involved in MLB should do no less.

  • Phil in LA

    Where was the press when the roids were so widespread?

    And why is tracking down a six year old story considered news? If the press had gone after the roiders in the `80’s or `90’s we probably wouldn’t be dealing with all this crap now.

    • JimT

      There were stories about steroids in the 80s and 90s but without the confirmation that comes through testing there was only so much that could be said. Besides, it wasn’t until more recently that MLB officially banned specifiic PEDs.

      It really wasn’t until the crazy home run numbers of Sosa and McGuire brought attention were steroids seen as an issue. MLB was slow to react and hindered even more by the actions of the MLBPA.

      As I see it the real issues going forward are these:

      Is the MLBPA still stonewalling and covering up players PED abuse? (A fair question given its history.)

      Will MLB be able to include future generations of PEDs without the Union compelled to “Collectively Bargaining” the inclusion each and every one.

      • Ed

        Besides, it wasn’t until more recently that MLB officially banned specifiic PEDs.

        “Officially banning” PEDs does nothing. It’s already a felony, baseball banning it does nothing.

        Testing & formal punishment standards are what matter.

        Will MLB be able to include future generations of PEDs without the Union compelled to “Collectively Bargaining” the inclusion each and every one.

        Baseball’s rules are based on the FDA drug schedules. New drugs are covered automatically unless a completely new class of drugs fundamentally different from currently known ones appears. That’s the type of situation that has no option other than to deal with it when it happens.

  • Dave

    I love how we have not seen any proof and We have not heard the name of a single accuser regarding arods use and people are ready to watch his career and life burn at the stake.

    I love how this report is from 2003 and its 2009.

    I love how these were supposed to be sealed documents and anonymous documents and laws were certainly broken in order to get this thing published yet no reporter seemed to notice or care.

    I love how 100 names on a list turned into an entire article about only arod.
    I love how the best off season the yanks have had in over 10 years ends like this.
    I love how not a single redsox player this century has been convicted in the court of public opinion for doing anything involving roids.

    I love how the government has these documents under their possession for god knows how long and did absolutely nothing with the information until a writer came along to ask about a story for arod and then, they divulged the names.

    I love how arod is already being convicted of doing roids for his entire career and some media are already saying he will not get their vote for the hall of fame without single a single shred of proof- unbiased and objective certainly went out the window on this story.

    I love how the woman who published this story is writing a book that discusses how horrible a person arod is and she is the same one that led the media against the duke lacrosse team which implies that not only does she have a personal vendetta against arod but she is also completely irresponsible in her reporting and does not need evidence before she is convinced of something.

    I love how the commissioner supported and profited from roid use for years and now, he is not only still employed as commiss but one of the richest men in baseball while the players whos backs he road to fortune are having their reputations destroyed.
    I love how american tax dollars are being spent on an investigation into roids use in baseball which Im sure 99.9 percent of america does not want.

    I love how baseball is supposed to be a way to get away from life’s problems and now, is becoming one of life’s problems.

    I love how congressman have the time to waste to deal with something like this while the commissioner of baseball has not spent a single, solitary second dealing with this problem in his career.

    And finally, I love how using roids was not even against the rules and guidelines of baseball and was almost an accepted practice early on and now, people are acting like arod committed a double homocide. Who did arod really hurt outside of himself in all of this? i would think people would be more outraged about a player charged with a DWI or marital abuse than taking drugs to try to impove his game. And name one person who went from a nobody to a baseball superstar after using roids?? It has not even been proven that people become better players across their career after taking roids as it probably does more harm to your body than help to your game anyway.

    • The Evil Empire

      I love your post. +1

  • Thirty5Thirty6

    I don’t know if this has been said yet, but…

    What if A-Rod just came out and flatly denied it? I mean what if he basically said to her through the media, “Hey, I call bullshit. Either show me the list, or show me your sources.” I doubt anyone of her sources would want to be outed and she has said that she, herself, has not seen the list.

    Would this not be beneficial for A-Rod?

    • The Evil Empire

      He’ll deny it if it’s not true. I guess we should all look forward to later on today, I’m sure he’ll say something very soon.

    • Joseph P.

      The problem is that the list could be made public in the Bonds trial.

  • r.w.g.

    It would have been infinitely worse had Alex used steroids (and I now absolutely believe Canseco’s charge that Alex has been using since high school) and had never been outed.

    He deserves to have his image tarnished, he deserves to have his legacy wrecked, he deserves for everything he’s done to be under suspicion.

    I’m honestly just sick of this clown. It’s one thing after another with him.

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  • Januz

    There is little doubt Alex Rodriguez is guilty of cheating. He denied taking performance enhancing drugs on 60 Minutes (Where he threw Scott Boras under the bus). But he refused to confirm or deny anything here. Why is that?
    As for the agents and lawyers, I am no fan of Orza or Boras an their tactics. But the point is they are hired by the players, to accomplish the goal of generating increased revenue. If they wanted them gone, they would be ( Like the Screen Actors Guild (SAG) membership (Not exactly a docile union) did with Doug Allen). The reason they are not, is they are good at what they do (Ask Tex, Oliver Perez, Derek Lowe and Prince Fielder about Scott Boras). Does it mean they are perfect? Of course not (See Jason Veritek and the Manny Ramirez situation). But they are right more often then they are wrong.
    The only way you will see real economic change in baseball is a continued recession, where you see a couple of more years of guys like Bobby Abreu and Adam Dunn begging for jobs, and except for the stars, more and more players only getting one year contracts. That is what Charlie Finley talked about years ago, and Marvin Miller (Who made Orza and Donald Fehr seem reasonable) admit he really dreaded.
    As for the drug issue, if people want to see a severe decline in the use of performance enhancing drugs in baseball (And eventually in all sports), then make the penalty so high, the players will think twice about doing it (100% elimination is not realistic) That penalty is if caught, no election to the Hall of Fame. If guys like Bonds and Clemens, who would have been elected WITHOUT the use of drugs, because their numbers were so good, are put in the same boat with Joe Jackson & Pete Rose, that would send a stronger message than the McGwire’s & Palmero’s who needed the drugs to become stars.
    Finally as far as Alex Rodriguez is concerned. I have never been a fan of his and likely never will be. Winning Championships does not seem to drive him, his image does. I am no doctor, so I do not know why. I also know, there are many players who wore the Pistripes and were not perfect human beings. For example: Mickey Mantle was a drunk (But he still hit 18 World Series Home Runs). But there is something inside of him, that does not allow him to be another Mantle or Ruth (Let alone DiMaggio or Jeter).

    • jsbrendog

      I have never been a fan of his and likely never will be

      dude you were totally quoted on the cover of the metro this mroning.

  • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

    The Orza story doesn’t surprise me one bit. The MLBPA has always been dead set against steroid testing, and were the main roadblock in getting a testing regime implemented, which Selig first proposed all the way back in 1994 CBA. They told us “its just a bargaining chip being used by the owners, they really don’t care about this” and “We’re defending the civil liberties of our members” but that’s just a smokescreen to hide their true intentions.

    Think about it. Players on steroids were often the top producers in the game. HR records were set and the players who set them were paid accordingly. Light hitting position players were able to get on the juice in their contract year and demand big paydays. Pitchers were able to extend their career and maintaining a high level of performance and more importantly, HUGE salaries.

    The Union’s #1 job is to raise the salary base for its members. They weren’t about to take a tool away from their members that enhanced their performance and more importantly, enhanced their salaries.

    • skeleton coat

      Are you kidding me?

      How can any of us take the moral high ground when we the fans are more guilty than BALCO, McNamee, and Radomski combined of forcing steroids onto these players?

      We expect these people to perform superhuman acts for us. We expect them to win, to get hurt, to risk their bodies on a daily basis. We hold these players on such a high pedestal and then feel disappointed and enraged when we find out they’re just like you and me.

      The baseball union is no different than any other union. Baseball players are no different from any other person competing for a better wage.

      Let’s not get carried away with our name-calling. After all, we’re the ones that should be blamed.

      • Januz

        Baseball players, and entertainers are QUITE DIFFERENT than others. First off, the players ASSOCIATION is NOT a union. They in fact, refer to themselves as a PLAYERS ASSOCIATION (Like people in Hollywood refer to themselves as GUILDS (Screen Actors GUILD, Writters GUILD, Directors Guild etc).. There are major differences such as the fact there is no salary ceiling. Another major difference is in the use of outside agents to represent players (Which is why Scott Boras is around, instead of Orza and Donald Fehr being the SOLE representative of ALL players (Such as what you see with the Teamsters or the NTA (National Teachers Association)) The primary difference is the players are actually INDEPENDENT CONTRACTORS. If it was a union, Andy Pettitte could NOT have his salary cut by 2/3 unless collectively bargained. Again using Pettitte as an example, he would not be making LESS than Oliver Perez, because he has seniority over him.
        The fans are not PRIMARILY to blame with DRUGS and athletes (Just like they are not to blame for Lindsay Lohan and her DRINKING and Pill popping). The one thing they do wrong is buy tickets to see them. It starts with the individual and then the company (Sports team, Hollywood Studio, Recording Company etc). Only when profitability is down (Advertising, ratings, box office, overall interest etc), do things change.

      • Whitey14

        That’s rediculous, I can’t believe you even took the time to type it.

        That you would seriously blame the fans for this implies you think that baseball players as a whole think about fans at times other than when signing autographs or hearing insults from the bleacher seats. They don’t care about us. If they did, one of their bargaining positions over the years would have been “We’ll accept the Salary Cap you’re proposing if you lower ticket prices for the fans”. It would just never happen. Even if the owners tosssed that proposition on the table, the Players Association would turn it down and say “the fans must not mind ticket prices because we’re setting all kinds of attendance records”. The Players Association is all about greed. It started as a way to get the players fair pay/benefits and good working conditions and has morphed into a way to squeeze every possible dollar out of baseball and it’s fans. The owners share in this as well.

        I can see it now, Jose Canseco driving a needle into his ass and telling himself as he winces from the stab “it’s for the fans, it’s for the fans”

        Absolutely ludicrous! Use of PED’s was and is all about trying to perform better to make more money. The players have nobody to blame but themselves. I’m a man and will take responsibility for my actions and my mistakes, but I’m not taking blame for something that isn’t even remotely my fault.

        • Whitey14

          Sorry Januz, that rant was for skelton coat, not you.

          • skeleton coat

            You’re thinking very narrowly, Whitey14.

            Fans drive the price by increasing demand. Fans define and then exaggerate the standard for statistics and records.

            In the world outside of baseball would anyone care about how badly Melky Cabrera sucked in terms of OBP, BA, and slugging percentage?

            You know the answer to that already. Fans and then by extension players and the media create the guidelines for success. Before Babe Ruth, Tris Speaker was the premiere slugger.

            And, as an aside, where do you think the money comes from to pay these players?

            • Whitey14

              I don’t disagree with your premise that we’re the ones who care about this and pay for it, but you can’t seriously believe that players give us any consideration when trying to put up their stats. We’re like the invisible investors. Their sole focus, is put up the numbers, get a good contract. Using PED’s to aid them in this quest is their personal decision/mistake and as I said I won’t take the blame for them doing it. Now, I don’t doubt they get a conceited high every time they see somebody wearing their jersey, but do you really think they care about that guy? Do you really think they say to themselves “I wish he didn’t have to pay as much to get in to the game”, or “maybe we could work out a salary cap that also caps or reduces ticket prices to help these fans out”. Most of what these guys do is motivated by greed and vanity, hopefully the rest is done because they love to play baseball. I doubt much, if anything, they do on the field or in the clubhouse is done with the fans in mind.

              • skeleton coat

                I never said or believed that anyway. I don’t think I even mentioned it.

                • Whitey14

                  It sure sounded like you were insinuating that we place high expectations on players so they use PED’s.

                  “How can any of us take the moral high ground when we the fans are more guilty than BALCO, McNamee, and Radomski combined of forcing steroids onto these players?

                  We expect these people to perform superhuman acts for us. We expect them to win, to get hurt, to risk their bodies on a daily basis. We hold these players on such a high pedestal and then feel disappointed and enraged when we find out they’re just like you and me”.

                  I’m not sure how else to read that…..

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      • JimT

        I’m not to blame. An avid baseball fan, I never asked or wanted modern players to take performance enhancers. They took them of their own volition behind the screen created by their association. Other players followed in an attempt to stay competitive and to get their own edge. I would have strongly prefered a world without PEDs so that the accomplishents of players like Aaron, Mantle, Ruth, Foxx, Mays and Williams remained topical and relevant.

        Also, not to be overlooked is the long term negative health effects associated with steroids. Just look at the health problems so many of the Pittsburg Steelers of the ’70s are having today. They played in a world where steroids were tollerated even encouraged. Simply put, the MLBPA placed larger contracts ahead of the credability and the long term health of its members.

        Publish all of the names of those implicated. This shouldn’t be about Arod, the Yankees or any other individual or team. This should be about discrediting the Players Union and their stance on PEDs use and about cleaning up the future of the sport.

      • Artist formerly known as ‘The’ Steve

        Right, I stuck the needle in Barry’s butt.

  • p

    Mike Joe and Ben i beleive a bit of congratulations are in order. I just picked up my morning Metro, the newspaper they give out in subway stations, and whose blog is mentioned on the cover in connection to the Arod case? Yes thats right our very own River Avenue Blues. Some poster JM is quoted saying something about Arod and they mentioned it 2x on the cover. Unfortunately your whole url isn’t mentioned only “River Avenue Blues blog”. Still pretty sweet tho. Very nice gentlmen.

    • pat

      *that was me, damned phone.

      • jsbrendog

        DAMN you beat me by an hour and 20 minutes. ha, it was awesome to see. it was janusz quote above.

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  • Mike

    Jon Heyman’s columns cannot be taken seriously. He is a flunky for a certain agent.