May
12

Saunders: A-Rod shouldn’t be an All-Star

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Reader LC pointed this out in the open thread last night, but I wanted to expand on it a bit. First, here’s what Halos’ lefty Joe Saunders had to say about Mr. Rodriguez:

Following an offseason of steroid revelations and confessions, Saunders said he would not vote for Rodriguez [for the All Star Game], regardless of whatever compelling numbers he puts up.

As Saunders put it to the Los Angeles Times, “It’s over for him.”

Speaking following Saturday night’s game against Kansas City, flush with his 1-0 victory over previously unbeaten sensation Zack Greinke, Saunders didn’t buy that fans are greeting the returning Rodriguez with a “forgive-and-forget” attitude.

“I think the fans do care,” Saunders said. “Pretty much everybody wants a game without cheating.”

This isn’t the first time an opposing pitcher has blasted A-Rod publicly about his admitted steroid use; back in February Astros’ ace Roy Oswalt said he wanted to see A-Rod’s numbers erased from the record books. I certainly understand the disdain people feel for steroid users, but opposing players coming out like this are walking on thin ice.

Joe Saunders made the All-Star team last year with Gary Matthews Jr. (linked to HGH) on his team. Roy Oswalt has been – or still is – teammates with Roger Clemens, Miguel Tejada, and Stephen Randolph, all of whom were named in the Mitchell Report. Are these two really naive enough to think that they’ve never benefited from a teammate that was using PEDs? We’re talking about a very slippery slope here.

I’m not saying that players who used steroids aren’t cheaters or anything like that, because they obviously are. I’m not even saying that A-Rod should make the All-Star team, chances are he won’t have the numbers after missing over a month with his hip injury. It’s just that people who come out and blast known users need to realize there’s two coins to this PED stuff, and chances are they’ve been impacted in a positive way (stats wise) by a teammate on something they shouldn’t have been. The grass isn’t always greener.

Categories : STEROIDS!
  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

    Alternate title: Why Athletes Should STFU, Point No. 23127987981512

    • jsbrendog

      unless they’re so entertaining, like ron artest, who doesnt even seemt o know what’s going to come out of his own mouth half the time

    • http://www.new.facebook.com/home.php?ref=home#/profile.php?id=594331910&ref=name Jamal G.

      +23127987981512

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      OBP doesn’t matter.

      /Francoeur’d

  • El Generalissimo

    I cant wait till Arod crushes a pitch from Saunders… and then flips him off. The second part wont happen, but man it would be nice.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Fistpump.

      • Will (the other one)

        Oaktag!

    • http://www.freewebs.com/ps3tf2/ Double-J

      A-Rod is clearly showing off. What a classless individual he is! [/red_sox_nation]

      You go Papelbon!!!11!!!

  • Nady Nation

    Saunders is right. Plus, I heard A-Rod actually brought Swine Flu to the US, and then proceeded to intentionally cough/sneeze all over a room filled with infants and toddlers. He’s the worst human being in the history of mankind.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      You know what ARod’s been doing during all that rehab downtime in Denver and Tampa?

      Raping babies.

  • steve (different one)

    with every additional name that gets outed, the general public outrage lessens and the more people just accept that there was an era of baseball where many, many athletes were “cheating”.

    the “best” course of action, though it would be unethical and wrong, would be for MLB to just leak the rest of the 103 names.

    that would probably go the furthest towards putting this behind us.

  • A.D.

    Ohhh Joe Saunders

  • Tony

    I don’t follow the point of this post. So Saunders’ right to object to PED abuse is gone because another person that happened to wear his uniform took it upon himself to cheat?

    • steve (different one)

      where did Mike say that?

      • steve (different one)

        he called it a slippery slope, which it is.

        Roy Oswalt doesn’t get to the World Series without Clemens. he has said he wants A-Rod’s numbers expunged. yet, did he give back the money he got for making the World Series?

        did Saunders give back his playoff share from last year?

        slippery slope. that’s all he’s saying.

        • Mattingly’s Love Child

          And really its up to the fans anyways. If they are really outraged like Saunders thinks, then they will just not vote for him!

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Well, I plan on not voting for ARod, but that’s only because Evan Longoria has a voice so smooth that it makes wolverines purr and wears suits so fine they make Sinatra look like a hobo.

            But BitchTits is absolutely in the running for my 2010 All Star vote. There’s no reason to “ban” anyone from the voting pre-emptively.

            • Mattingly’s Love Child

              Whoa, don’t be rational or anything there! Voting for Longoria, who has only been the best third baseman in the league this year? Wow, I really thought you were a true Yankee fan.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                I know, I went out on a limb there.

    • Chris

      It’s a ridiculous statement by Saunders. A-Rod should not be voted onto the All-Star team because he took steroids 6 years ago? Even if you don’t believe that he stopped, you would have to extend that All-Star ban to every suspected steroid user. When you’re done, you’ll have an all-star team full of David Ecksteins.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        When you’re done, you’ll have an all-star team full of David Ecksteins.

        You could tell me that David Eckstein took steriods and it wouldn’t shock me in the least.

        • Tom Zig

          what about craig counsell?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Maybe the massive overdoses of HgH is what caused his super-annoying herky-jerky tics in the batter’s box.

  • Cheez Doodles

    Who?

  • JP

    Ohfuhcryinoutloud. Enough of the steroid stuff, ok?

    Actually, let’s get it ALL out, and over with. Let’s publish the ENTIRE list from the “anonymous” MLB study.

    Then, enough.

    I didn’t like watching a bloated Barry Bonds break the HR record. Yeah, when you see that, it looks like cheating.

    But it ain’t that simple, and to portray A-Rod and anyone else who used now-banned substances as cheaters, scumbags, etc., is stupid.

    Baseball players have used whatever they can, legal or not, forever. In Mays’ day, it was amphetamines. Any language on the legality of steroids before all the current dust up was at best ambiguous. Human growth hormone wasn’t even testable, so for years 80% of the league could have been using it and nobody would have known.

    Search the author Jeff Neuman at RealClearSports and read his take on the PEDs. Very mature, thoughtful.

    It’s time to forget all of this.

  • http://www.wiredtowns.com Short Porch

    The Yankees should do everything they can to void A-Rod’s contract. Year One he is already breaking down, probably from steroid use. Absent PEDs, is he going to be worth the time and money? No way.

    That’s assuming of course they can do that. Was Boras smart enough to write in a clause that blocks that strategy? Was the Players Union sleazy enough to block it, and the the owners too complicit?

    PEDs put fannies in the seats. As long as everyone including the sports writers chose to look the other way, the charade continued.

    As far as I’m concerned, every team that won the World Series the last 20 years is probably tainted, every roster had cheaters.

    The Yanks should, if they can at all legally, void A-Rod’s contract. It would be the smart thing for them to do financially and it would send an important message from baseball’s greatest franchise.

    If baseball wants it’s credibility back, start there.

    • tim randle

      EXACTLY.

      Then we can get Jeter and his concrete block feet off short and move him to third, which will let Pena get good fielding and hitting opportunities on a daily basis, which he really needs to develop.

      Wait. What?

    • steve (different one)

      i guarantee you that they looked into this in February and concluded it wasn’t going to be possible.

      the fact is that A-Rod hasn’t failed a drug test while signed to his current contract.

      that alone should make it impossible, i’d think.

      think about it, Brian Roberts just signed a 4 year extension. let’s say he gets injured or just starts sucking in year 3 of that contract. would the Orioles be able to just void his deal b/c he was in the Mitchell report? of course not.

      • http://www.wiredtowns.com Short Porch

        *Sigh* You are probably right. Too bad he is not quite as stupid as Manny.

      • Chris

        Even if he did fail a drug test, the Yankees couldn’t void his contract. Manny failed a test and the Dodgers can’t void his contract.

        Three positive tests = lifetime ban, and thus a voided contract. Before that, the team can only save the money from when the player is actually suspended.

    • usty

      Why would we void the contract of our best player? Did the last month of shitty baseball coming from 3b and the bottom of our lineup make you happy?

      See ya nose! F-you Face.

      Messages are overrated. Winning is not.

      • steve (different one)

        oh, i don’t know.

        i am an A-Rod fan, but i would NOT bet against the idea that if Cashman and Hal were given the chance to undo that contract in February, they would have done it.

        i can’t say that for sure, but that is just my opinion.

        with the economy tanking, salaries dropping, you don’t think the yankees wouldn’t have jumped on the chance to drop a $270M liability? i think they would have.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          But I think the only real reason Cashman and the Steins would consider voiding the contract is not the ARod steroid revelation but the ARod hip injury.

          We can live through the bad steroid press if ARod is healthy and hitting homers. We can live through the bad press of ARod passing HR milestones that Gammons and the ESPN boys will call “tainted” because those homers help us win titles.

          I think the only buyers remorse comes from the fact that ARod now has a tangible injury risk, and we’re concerned not about him “tarnishing the game” but about him pulling an Ortiz and becoming a walking shell of himself in the last few years of the deal.

          • steve (different one)

            not necessarily. that contract was based on a certain expectation of his production going forward. this expectation was partly based on past production.

            learning that some of his past production was chemically aided, and trusting that (in theory) he won’t be taking PED’s going forward, don’t you have to adjust your future expectations downward?

            to put it plainly: if the Yankees had this information before they signed him, isn’t it reasonable to believe they would have signed him to a shorter/smaller contract?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              I suppose it would have to depend on how long he actually used and to what extent it inflated his numbers, which may be impossible to figure out. If his monster 2007 season was steroid-free and he’s capable of doing that without chemical aid, then I’d imagine he’s still worth a 30M AAV contract.

              But you have a point. Devil is in the details.

          • http://www.wiredtowns.com Short Porch

            Last few years? Ortiz is 33. Another juicer, clearly. Or was it the cream? So’s A-Rod. And he’s already breaking down.

            Take the PEDs away from A-Rod and watch his numbers shrink 20%. You are assuming a lot of home runs from a guy now on the expected and natural downside of things.

            This is a job for a Sabermetrician: What does a PEDless A-Rod look like?

            • Joe R

              So are you assuming A-Rod has been on PEDs all the way up to his return just now? You realize his injury wasnt steroid related as its a common baseball injury.

              • http://www.wiredtowns.com Short Porch

                That’s what was first inferred. There’s been some other medical opinion floating around. WCBS radio two days ago, for instance.

            • Chris

              This is a job for a Sabermetrician: What does a PEDless A-Rod look like?

              That’s an impossible question to answer. We don’t know when he or anyone else was actually on steroids. If we assume that he was clean after 2003 as he said, then we know what a clean A-Rod does. If he’s been using since 2003, then why would he stop now?

      • http://www.wiredtowns.com Short Porch

        Yeah, short notice injury, and only a six week window to cover before A-Rod’s return, so they went with Cody Ransom/Berroa/Pena. To be expected.

        Point is, will he, absent PEDs at 33 and breaking down from PEDs, be our best player? I’ll take Tex, Cano over him right now.

        In the normal run of things, players peak at 27. A-Rod is 33. And without ‘Mr. Spritzy,’ he will never be the A-Rod he was.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      The Yanks should, if they can at all legally, void A-Rod’s contract. It would be the smart thing for them to do financially and it would send an important message from baseball’s greatest franchise.

      Why should we deprive ourselves of one of the greatest hitters in baseball? To prove a point? The Yankees aren’t in business to prove points, they’re in business to win titles. ARod is a help and not a hindrance in that pursuit.

      As far as I’m concerned, every team that won the World Series the last 20 years is probably tainted, every roster had cheaters.

      But if every roster had cheaters, there’s no taint to the Series, because while cheating gives you and unfair advantage, everybody cheating nullifies those advantages. Steroids is like traveling or palming in basketball. Yes, it’s against the rules and yes it’s cheating, but as long as all the teams are “allowed” to break the rules evenly, it’s a wash. Steroids may have (and I stress, may have) skewed the individual production numbers compiled by players during the steroid era, but there’s no way you can really say steroids helped any teams actually win games or lose games, because basically every team had cheating players. They cancel each other out.

      If baseball wants it’s credibility back, start there.

      No, if baseball wants its credibility back, it’s going to have to admit that it was a leaguewide issue affecting every team and not isolated to the 20 or so players we know about now or the 104 players on that list. It’s going to have to admit that the league was full of juicers, the juicing happened with the tacit acceptance of majorities of all parties involved (players, coaches, owners, trainers, league officials, union reps, Selig himself, etc.) and that it was a black eye on the sport but that real and comprehensive concrete steps are being taken to eliminate it.

      Just outing guys doesn’t solve everything if everytime after we out guys we want to pretend that now we finally have all the names. We won’t ever finally have all the names. Ever.

      • http://www.wiredtowns.com Short Porch

        1. He is no longer one of the greatest hitters in baseball. He is on the decline at 33. That is, without PEDs, the nature of things.

        2. Disagree that because everyone cheated, it cancels everything out. I doubt that the cheating was evenly distributed among the 32 teams. On some teams, it was more widespread than others. Canseco/McGwire brought a couple of championships, as did Manny/Ortiz.

        3. Absolutely agreed that a full accounting and disclosure is required. But the Yanks could take the high road AND get themselves out of what is now may be the worst contract in baseball history, given a ‘roidless A-Rod.

        Cut A-Rod’s production 20%. Still a very good player, but the boos will be deafening. What’s the over/under here on A-Rod topping 25 homers this year?

        • Joe R

          The over/under would be 25…

          • Coach6423

            best post ever

          • some call me…tim.

            June 16th or thereabouts :)

          • Mattingly’s Love Child

            I’ll take the over cus I’m feeling confident that A-Rod has got plenty left in the tank and plenty to prove to people!

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          1. He is no longer one of the greatest hitters in baseball. He is on the decline at 33. That is, without PEDs, the nature of things.

          There’s no way of knowing that yet. He’s probably on the decline, but it may be a sharp decline or a slow one. Yes, he took PED’s, but we have no real way of knowing how much of his production was tied to that and how much was ARod by himself. He is a great athlete, however, and has a singular talent for squaring and hitting a baseball. He may decline and still be one of the best hitters in baseball. We shall see.

          2. Disagree that because everyone cheated, it cancels everything out. I doubt that the cheating was evenly distributed among the 32 teams. On some teams, it was more widespread than others. Canseco/McGwire brought a couple of championships, as did Manny/Ortiz.

          And the team Canseco/McGwire faced for their one championship and the teams Manny/Ortiz faced for their two championships undoubtedly had cheaters on them as well. We have enough evidence already to safely conclude that it was very widespread and was very evenly distributed among the 32 teams. (Actually, we have evidence to indicate that some of the crappiest teams, like ARod’s early 2000’s Rangers, were full of juicers, which means that some of the teams who may have actually cheated more than others still won the fewest amount of games, but I digress). It’s a wash.

          3. Absolutely agreed that a full accounting and disclosure is required. But the Yanks could take the high road AND get themselves out of what is now may be the worst contract in baseball history, given a ‘roidless A-Rod.

          You disagree with me, then, because I never said a full accounting and disclosure is required. What I said was a full accounting and disclosure will give us a false sense of satisfaction because we’ll think we’ve exposed all the names, but we won’t have.

          And again, I’m not interested in the Yanks “taking the high road”. I’m interested in the Yanks winning titles. I’ll sign Barry Bonds and Manny Ramirez this second with no qualms.

          Cut A-Rod’s production 20%. Still a very good player, but the boos will be deafening.

          I don’t care about boos, they’re for the small minded and the fake tough.

          What’s the over/under here on A-Rod topping 25 homers this year?

          Tough to say. We’ll have to see how long it takes him to round into prime game shape, he may have to use the rest of May and possibly the start of June as spring training. I’ll take the push and say he hits exactly 25, but anything is possible.

          • steve (different one)

            30 teams

            /nitpick

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Heh, sorry. I was just quoting from/responding to his post and not proofreading carefully, my bad.

          • http://www.wiredtowns.com Short Porch

            This ‘look the other way because it’s all about winning,’ that ‘everyone does it so who cares,’that ‘there’s always going to be cheaters so why bother?’ attitude is how we got into this mess in the first place. It is ruinous to the game.

            Manny? Barry? That you’d be happy to further tarnish the Yanks that way says enough.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Manny? Barry? That you’d be happy to further tarnish the Yanks that way says enough.

              Because it’s not tarnishing.

  • Jack P

    I believe he has all the right to make whatever comments he wants.. Let me put it this way.

    Say you are working at a desk job… A co-worker is illegally getting an unfair edge and your work suffers because of it. This could lead you to not getting a promotion or worse fired.. Do you think the co-worker does not have a reason to go off anyway he wants verbally?

    Or let’s say another revival Yankees Blog are illegally up’ing the hits on their website to get better advertising on their site? I mean this is not the perfect example but the only one i can think of… You still have the right to verbally bash him.

    Roy Oswalt is just letting off some steam… Let him.

    • steve (different one)

      your analogy doesn’t really make any sense.

      here would be the better analogy: your co-worker is illegally getting an unfair edge which causes your companies’ stock, of which you own many shares, to increase.

      now, you hear of a person at a rival company doing the same thing as your co-worker.

      so you blast the competitor, while saying nothing of what your co-worker has done, and simultaneiously benefitting from his actions financially.

      that’s a better analogy.

      • Jack P

        cheating is cheating

        • Jack P

          Also he is saying that EVERYONE who used steroids should have their name erased from the record books… Did he say oh no exclude players on my team? No he didn’t.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            But the point is, he doesn’t need to go out of his way to point the finger at the cheaters on other people’s teams (which is what he’s doing). If he truly feels that cheating is so wrong that players should be barred from the All-Star Game or should have their personal accomplishments erased from the game, he should start with the cheaters on his own team.

            It’s disingenuous to take public issue with ARod cheating and not even mention that there’s cheaters on your own team in your own locker room. If he’d said that “Cheaters should have their names erased from the record books, and we should start right here and eliminate the records of my good friend and teammate Gary Matthews Jr., maybe I’d cut him some slack as showing consistency of moral position.

            He didn’t. He’s just content to live in his glass house and throw stones at others.

            And, again, on Saturday, Joe Saunders beat Zack Greinke in a 1-0 pitcher’s duel. Gary Matthews scored the only run in the game. If we’re going to erase the records of known cheaters, shouldn’t Saunders and the Angels forfeit that run and still be pitching in that scoreless duel?

            • Mattingly’s Love Child

              But how many people have the stones to do that? It’s so much easier to just attack your competitors than look intelligently at your own situation!

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                Exactly, which is why, as Mike and Joe said above, he should just keep his mouth shut. Either that, or be willing to point the finger at his own teammates. One or the other.

          • steve (different one)

            Also he is saying that EVERYONE who used steroids should have their name erased from the record books… Did he say oh no exclude players on my team? No he didn’t.

            and i am saying he should put his money where his mouth is.

            erasing the accomplishments of steroid users would surely mean the Astros’ 2005 pennant is “erased”.

            therefore, he should give back the money he earned from winning said pennant.

            • Mattingly’s Love Child

              My vote is ERASE EVERYTHING FROM THE PAST 25 YEARS!

              Well to be honest, that is the only way that you can punish most of the steriod users. But I don’t think this is really the answer at all. I feel we have to just accept that things were wild and people cheated during the era from the late 1980s through the early 2000s. Nowadays they probably still cheat, but probably less players since they have some fear of being caught.

              Put an asterisk on the entire era, institute blood testing, increase penalties for violations, have an honest to goodness appeals process for violations, and have tighter controls over who has access to the test results.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    To expand on Mike’s point, in 3 of the 7 starts Joe Saunders has made this year, Gary Matthews Jr. has started in the outfield behind him. On Saturday, Joe Saunders beat Zack Greinke in a 1-0 pitcher’s duel. Gary Matthews scored the only run in the game. If known cheaters should be banned from the All Star game, should Saunders similarly forfeit the two wins he picked up in these three starts, since a known cheater helped him win those games?

    While we’re on the topic, let me read to you some of the names of some of the rest of Joe Saunders’s current and former teammates. Tell me which of these names you think are steroid-free and couldn’t possibly have cheated and undermined the “integrity” of the game.

    Torii Hunter
    Vlad Guerrero
    Kendry Morales
    Juan Rivera
    Chone Figgins
    Bobby Abreu (yeah, I said it)
    Brian Fuentes
    Jered Weaver
    Kelvim Escobar
    Justin Speier
    Darren Oliver
    Orlando Cabrera
    Garrett Anderson
    Tim Salmon
    Robb Quinlan
    Darin Erstad
    Bartolo Colon
    Jeff Weaver
    Brendan Donnelly
    J.C. Romero
    Shea Hillenbrand

    Now, not all those guys used PED’s. But, I wouldn’t be shocked to learn that, say, half of those guys used PED’s. I also wouldn’t be shocked to learn that half of the guys on that 2008 All Star team used PED’s. We know ARod and Manny did. Go browse this list http://www.baseball-reference......7150.shtml and tell me who is clean and who is “dirty”.

    • Nady Nation

      Abreu and Vlad seem like legit juice candidates to me.

  • usty

    “rabble rabble rabble rabble rabble” – Any “insulted” MLB Player.

    • Whitey14

      Hamburgler? Is that you?

  • Andy In Sunny Daytona

    After beating Zack Greinke 1-0, why is a reporter even asking him a question about Arod?

    • usty

      Because A-Rod invented Cancer and AIDS. Then he cured them both, but won’t share those cures with humanity because he is the most awful human to ever walk the planet.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Aunt Becca-Optimist Prime

    If Joe can’t vote for A-Rod he shouldn’t feel comfortable voting for any player.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Bingo.

  • Axl

    Are these players even more naive than some of these fans?? They have a “fly-on-the-wall” front row seat to either witnessing what is going on…or at least hearing about it.

    Red Sox fans smiled when they wrote about putting asterisks next to the 90’s dynasty teams because someone on the board of directors for the Red Sox, George Mitchell, was able to interview only New York based trainers. Were they naive or were they just getting their few jabs in while they could knowing any moment could bring forth one of their heroes…while hoping it never did. Now you’re seeing some back-pedalling and the “well what about the 90’s dynasty!” As if we’re starting this argument for the first time…

    But the pitchers? I don’t get it. It’s 2009, it’s not like this stuff is brand new and it’s certainly hasn’t been just a handful of guys who have been caught who have only been using it. Not only that, there are insignificant players who have done absolutely nothing with their careers who have taken boatloads of PEDs. It did nothing for them but convince them that they were trying to “keep up”.

    To be honest, whining and crying about how everything little thing isn’t fair in baseball (or life for that matter) could be just as disappointing as taking steroids to begin with. Nobody wants to hear professional baseball players search for excuses and reasons why others were infinitely better. These players were infinitely better than them before they took steroids. They weren’t injecting talent into themselves. It wasn’t the Captain American serum being injected into them. They were basically told to try something that will help them stay in shape longer and faster…and they took it. Most of these guys didn’t go to college…they aren’t well educated and a lot of them grew up in the slums. If a random person tells them they have something that can make them more valuable…and increase their dollars…you bet they’re going to take it.

    Just because guys like Joe Saunders and Roy Oswalt had upbringings where they were educated and were able to use what they’ve learned to make ethical decisions doesn’t mean that it’s ok to cry about other people making mistakes. I’m sure if the shoe was on the other foot and Miguel Tejada started to use his upbringing in the slums as an excuse saying “Joe Saunders has always had it made”…I don’t think Mighty Joe would appreciate it too much.

    Nobody likes excuses. Just shut the fuck up and play the game. Whining and crying about it isn’t going to change anything. It’s only going to wrap the nonsense around you like a blanket and make you look even worse than you already were.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Rational (but rambling) Axl FTW!

      • Axl

        The whole post itself is rambling to a point. I just followed suit I guess…lol

  • jsbrendog

    those steroid users!! they TOOOOK ER JOOOOORBS!

    • skeleton coat

      MLB should just nuke all the players from orbit. It’s the only way to be sure.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Have Nick Swisher throw all of them into the sun.

  • http://www.thebuffetisclosed.com Omar Devone Little

    I’m pretty sure that these players are just coming out hard so no one looks at them.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I’m still looking at them.

      Here’s a nice article I found.

      http://fromthedugout.freedombl.....unts/1459/

      Hmm, Joe Saunders gave his Angels teammates commemorative shirts from his 2008 All Star game appearance. I can only assume he refused to give one to that dirty cheater Gary Matthews Jr. Because he doesn’t deserve one, and we all know it.

    • JohnnyC

      It’s the strategy perfected by Curt Schilling.

  • Tony

    The ARod apologism on RAB has a tinge of LoHuddery to it. I’m sure you realize that already.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      I’ve thought about this a lot actually, Tony. I don’t like defending A-Rod. He’s an overpaid prima donna who, outside of the first three games against Boston in 2004 and the Twins series prior to that, has done nothing in the post-season. He’s had a few seasons where his clutch numbers, if you believe in that, could be better. I don’t think he’s told the whole truth about this steroid revelations.

      But in the end, the Yankees are a better baseball team because he’s on it. It’s not his fault the Yankees haven’t won a World Series since 2000.

      On a similar note, we end up defending him because of the absurd attacks on him in the media. There’s this tendency to vilify him as a money-hungry, self-centered player, and while that’s probably correct to an extent, it’s a character assassination. Do I wish he would be less of AROD and more of just Alex Rodriguez, potentially one of the greatest baseball players ever? Of course.

      We don’t like baseless attacks, and if that means defending A-Rod more often than we’d like to, we’re ok with that. It’s far more honest journalism than anything Ian O’Connor and others write about him.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Yankees Team OPS+ and ERA+, title years:
        1996: 100, 108
        1997: 108, 117
        1998: 116, 116
        1999: 110, 114
        2000: 103, 101

        Yankees Team OPS+ and ERA+, post title years:
        2001: 100, 111
        2002: 114, 114
        2003: 114, 109
        2004: 111, 96
        2005: 115, 93
        2006: 111, 102
        2007: 117, 99
        2008: 101, 104

      • Memo

        Calling out BS that is directed at Alex isn’t about Alex. It shouldn’t matter if you like someone or not when it comes to criticizing shoddy, garbage attacks and so-called journalism.

        Thats why “journalism” is the way it is now. Fans tolerate BS when its against someone they dont like. And the ones who see this as simply “defending A-Rod” are the same ones who are ready to defend (or should I say make excuses) for their favorite players.

        Its those who won’t defend Alex simply because they don’t like him who are the problem. Not the ones who do defend him.

      • Tony

        I wouldn’t call this a baseless attack. I don’t see anything wrong with Joe Saunders wanting a level playing field. Gary Matthews’ use or non-use has nothing to do with Joe Saunders’ personal feelings on the matter, and he concludes with a blanket statement that applies to anyone using illicit PEDs. How about the fact that Joe Saunders is/was pressured to ingest potentially harmful drugs in order to perform his job? Or that there’s a very good chance that his peers are taking money he would get based on ill-gotten numbers?

        There’s also the 99.999999999999% chance this come up in response to a specific question, and not a decision to issue a random rant on ARod. The Yankees are obviously a better team with Rodriguez, but I don’t see why that has to turn into “Let’s put together a 150 comment thread bashing anyone associated w/ a critique of ARod.”

  • Memo

    Every time you open your mouth you’re opening yourself up to criticism. Nothing wrong with what anyone has said here in response to Joe’s comments.

    ““Let’s put together a 150 comment thread bashing anyone associated w/ a critique of ARod.””

    Please. This is about double standards and hypocrisy. We rip the people we don’t like or don’t have associations with and justify the actions of those we like.

    I’d like to see a reporter ask these guys about their own team mates, not about other teams. Lets see how vocal they are then.

    Its like these “clean” whiners like Jeter saying, “Everyone wasn’t doing it.” I have no sympathy. You should have said something but you didn’t so you’re complicit. Now, I understand your not wanting to be a rat but don’t going popping off at the mouth now that its cool to be anti-steroids.

  • thebusiness

    A-Rod vs. Saunders

    .429/.500/1.071

    No dingers yet. A-Rod will change that.

  • goyankee

    arod doesnt care if hes not a All-Star, his soulmate Madonnas got his back or should it be Arod had madonnas back!!!not long ago.