May
09

The Red Sox never forget

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I know this one went around a few days ago, but with my finals schedule, I’ve had this tab open and no time to post it. Since we’re whiling away the hours until a 7 p.m. start time tonight, let’s get to some good ol’ fashioned mocking of the Boston Red Sox.

Earlier this week, with the Yanks trailing by a run and a runner already on base, Joba Chamberlain hit Jason Bay with an 0-0 fastball. At the time, I thought nothing of it and was more dismayed that the Red Sox had two runners on than anything else. Boston, apparently, thought otherwise.

As Rob Bradford detailed on WEEI’s Full Count blog this week, the Red Sox won’t forget that HBP. Red Sox pitching coach John Farrell had quite the rant too:

“Typically, we let the game play out itself because I think our guys have each others backs and they are certainly going to be supportive if a situation like that were to arise. Speaking specifically about last night, he strikes out 12 guys, doesn’t seem to have too many command issues, and if there was a purpose or intent to throw up and in you can disguise it a little bit more than making it very obvious with the first pitch in the middle of the back to Jason Bay. Those things aren’t forgotten. We know there is a history there between the pitcher in New York and our guys here and not to say that he was specifically out to do that but I think history speaks for itself and we’ve got a number of games left with these guys.”

To which I say: Give me a break. The last thing Joba wanted to do was risk falling further behind. That was probably one of Chamberlain’s least intentional HBPs, and it pales in comparison the Joba-Youkilis drama that gets played out every time the two teams meet. Maybe Josh Beckett will throw up and in to A-Rod or Hideki Matsui when these two teams next month, but that would just be blatant retribution for a meaningless hit batter. Let it go, Boston. Let it go.

Categories : Rants
  • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

    Let it go, Boston. Let it go.

    Something tells me this plea will fall on deaf ears.

  • steve (different one)

    the Red Sox are the paragon of sportsmanship, integrity, and playing the game the right way.

    except when their World Series MVP is outed for taking PEDs, Josh Beckett throws at someone’s head because he called timeout, Pedro hitting countless Yankee batters and starting numerous beanball wars with the Yankees and Rays, reneging on completed trades, skipping out on sending agreed upon prospects, violating gentlemens’ agreements to not make waiver claims on players who were sold to Japan, and stealing signs.

    • Nady Nation

      IETC

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

      “and stealing signs laptops”

      • ClayBuchholzLovesLaptops

        I have no idea what you are talking about.

      • Whitey14

        And driving drunk….because stealing lap tops as a high school prank is clearly worse than putting lives in danger.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
          • Whitey14

            Dude, as soon as I saw the word Latin, you lost me ;-)

        • Andy In Sunny Daytona

          Joba was drinking and sriving as part as a high school prank. Does that make it ok now?

          • Andy In Sunny Daytona

            obviously I meant drivvinnggg.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

    if i remember right, that pitch was only at like 90 mph too

    it was probably a 2-seamer… surely if it was intentional it would have been 94-95 mph

  • Nady Nation

    This is truly mind-boggling. Apparently the Sawx and their fans forgot when their staff ace from the first half of this decade sent both Soriano AND Jeter to the hospital in the same game. Or perhaps the 2003 ALCS has just slipped their minds too, when Pedro threw directly over Karim Garcia’s head, and then threatened Jorge that he would drill him in the head his next at-bat. Boo fucking hoo, Boston.

    • JimT

      Jeter and Soriano both dove over the plate and were hit in the hands/ wrist. As baseball fans you have to see the distinction between taking back the inside part of the plate and depositing a pitch in the middle of a batters back. There is no excuse for what Pedro did with Karim Garcia and in todays rules he would be suspended. The rules have been changed.If baseball is going to suspend pitchers for throwing at opposing batters then Bob Watson needs to be consistent with his rulings, its that simple. A pitcher doen’t get a pass because he works for the Yankees, Red Sox or any other team.

      Anyone capable of putting his / her team bias aside would conclude that Joba threw at Bay. Therefore he should be suspended. The team he plays for shouldn’t enter into the discussion. But because Bob Watson worked for the Yankees and he is being inconsistent in his finding an unavoidable conflict of interest is present.

      Bob Watson’s impartiality has already been questioned when he reduced Joba suspension last year. Inaction now brings his judgement back into question. If he can’t be even handed in his rulings then perhaps he is the wrong guy for the job.

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

        Anyone capable of putting his / her team bias aside would conclude that Joba threw at Bay.

        The argument could just as easily be made that anyone capable of looking at the game situation would conclude that intentionally putting a runner on base would be stupid when the team is already down.

      • Andy In Sunny Daytona

        Watson also reduced Beckett’s supension.

      • Nady Nation

        Correct me if I’m wrong, but wasn’t Beckett’s suspension REDUCED as well, to the point where he didn’t even miss a start?

        It’s also amusing that George Mitchell, a Red Sox employee, was chosen to run the league’s steroid investigation, yet he couldn’t find any evidence whatsoever that his team’s best player was juicing. I’m sure you had no problem with that. Yet, Watson’s credibility over “unavoidable conflict” is coming into question. Please.

        • JimT

          You are mixing “apples and oranges” here. George Mitchell is associated with the Red Sox and while I am quick to agree that there is a conflict of interest there as well, I don’t see the connection. The current discusion concerns Joba Chamberlin’s throwing at Jason Bay and my assertion that Bob Watson is being inconsistent with his rulings.

          Also, the point isn’t that Beckett’s suspension was reduced but that he was suspended for throwing at Abreu. Since Joba threw at Bay he should also be suspended.

          • Spaceman.Spiff

            /oaktag

          • Nady Nation

            So now all you’re clamoring for is a token suspension, during which Joba doesn’t actually miss a start? This will make you happy? Give it a rest.

            • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Good point. I almost wish they’d give Joba a token suspension, during which he doesn’t even miss a start, just so everyone could stop crying about this stuff.

            • JimT

              I’m simply asking for consistency. If you are going to suspend one pitcher for throwing at a batter, then you should suspend every pitcher that throws at a batter.

              If you don’t beieve that Joba intentionaly threw at Bay then the aurgument simply goes round and round and we can agree to disagree. However, if like me, you believe that he threw at Bay then he should be suspended.

              The other point I made was that I don’t have confidence in Bob Watson’s impartiality. Watson’s handling of Joba Chamberlin’s actions last year and now is a prime reason why. You can disagree, they are just opinions.

              • http://ht Akes

                I respect your opinion and by no means singling you out for them they are valid. And they do make a good point. I have just been holding this in for while and needed to let it out. I personally would rather go back to the days when the players handled it and the league stayed out of it. Unless it really gets out of hand. And even then I would rather they handled it behind closed doors.

          • http://Part1 Akes

            Your point of Joba and Beckett are pointless. Becket threw at someones head while timeout was called and the batter was not in the box. Bay was in the box and Joba threw in it hit bay intentional or not that is the part of the game. Throwing at someone when timeout has been called is not. As for the purpouse pitch it did prove his purpose that he is a ASS. Always has been and always will be. The redsox have diffrent standards when they throw at someone that is okay. When somone else does it is a high crime and how dare anyone throw at the sawx mafter all they set the standards right? Well those days are over they had the upperhand for a few years with Pedro. But the shoe is on the other foot now and the Yanks have several guys that will pitch with a PURPOUSE. I for one am quite happy with that sitiuation.

            • http://Part2 Akes

              Ortiz brought it upon his team when he opened his oversized piehole. I personaly would have been quite happy for Joba to throw in on Ortiz and then walk right towards the plate and tell Ortiz to shut his piehole. And then throw a big breaking ball at youkolis and just smile at him. Joba is in there heads and will be for many years to come so get used to it wether you like it or not. And it will only get worse for the sawx as Joba establishes himself in the leauge. So they should just take a page from Jeter and say nothing. And by the way the sawx players were all prety impressed with the way he pitched. And maybe the sawx coaches should just shut there mouths and let the players handle it instead of them considering they arent on the feild or stepping into the batters box with a guy that can throw 100 mph!!!! Idol threats from a pitiching coach will not help there situation. If I was sawx player I would be more worried right now about wether or not they will be facing Lackey the next time they meet!! Something tells me he has not forgoten what happened! Just sayin.
              “Clean your finger before you point at my spots.”
              Benjamin Franklin

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Also, the point isn’t that Beckett’s suspension was reduced but that he was suspended for throwing at Abreu. Since Joba threw at Bay he should also be suspended.

            Joba threw at Jason Bay’s torso while the game was in progress.

            Beckett threw at Bobby Abreu’s HEAD AFTER TIME HAD BEEN CALLED.

            Gigantic difference.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

        im willing to bet you are “lanny” or “jose” or “voice of reason” with a changed alias

      • Johnny

        Soriano doesn’t really hang over the plate that much, nothing like jeter anyway.

        Joba didn’t get suspended because that wasn’t intentional or particularly nasty. it was just a plain old HBP. These things happen. Is it so hard to believe a guy could let one go on a 50 degree night in the pouring rain?

      • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        “Bob Watson’s impartiality has already been questioned when he reduced Joba suspension last year.”

        Questioned by you, maybe, but that doesn’t mean there’s good reason to question the man’s impartiality. Most suspensions get reduced (as did Beckett’s, as has been noted here). You might have a point if you could show that the Yankees tend to have their suspensions reduced moreso than do other teams, but that’s just not true.

        If you’re going to accuse the man of lacking the impartiality and objectivity necessary to effectively do his job, you have to have a better argument than “he used to be affiliated, a decade ago, with the Yankees”… and that really seems to be all you’ve got. Don’t make those accusations unless you can show preferential treatment (which you haven’t and can’t).

        • JimT

          Fair enough, but shouldn’t the same standards be applied to Sen. Mitchell?

          One more question Mondesi, do you think Joba intentionaly hit Jason Bay?

          • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            “Fair enough, but shouldn’t the same standards be applied to Sen. Mitchell?”

            Sure, but I don’t know that that’s a discussion you want to have. There’s only one piece of evidence to discuss if you want to discuss Mitchell’s impartiality. How many Red Sox were named in the Mitchell Report again? To be fair, I don’t think that evidence is dispositive of the argument that Mitchell was less than impartial, but it certainly doesn’t cut in his favor and I don’t think you want to go there. There’s certainly more evidence, if you look at the record, of Mitchell’s lack of impartiality than there is of Watson’s.

            “One more question Mondesi, do you think Joba intentionaly hit Jason Bay?”

            Honestly, I think there are two separate issues here:

            (1) Do I, the exalted and honorable Congressman Mondesi, think Joba threw at Bay intentionally?

            (2) Was Joba’s hitting Bay so clearly intentional that MLB would be justified in suspending Joba?

            The answer to (1) is, yeah, sure I think he probably threw at him (or at least meant to go way inside to brush him back a bit). The answer to (2) is fuck and no (excuse the language), this incident does not rise to the level of a punishable offense. Guys get hit, it’s part of the game. Unless it is CLEAR that the pitcher threw at the guy, MLB can’t step in and suspend the pitcher.

            If you don’t mind my playing psychologist for a sec here… YOUR answer to (1) is “yes,” and you think that since your answer to (1) is “yes” then that means your answer to (2) has to be “yes.” That’s where you’re wrong.

          • steve (different one)

            until you can answer this ONE question, i think it’s more than fair to question Mitchell’s impartiality:

            WHY WASN’T PAXTON CRAWFORD INTERVIEWED BY MITCHELL???

            answer that, and maybe i’ll change my mind.

            until then, the report isn’t worth wiping your ass with.

            • Whitey14

              Yeah, but it beats a handful of dirty leaves!

              • steve (different one)

                well, that’s certainly true.

  • A.D.

    So its okay for Beckett to throw at guys, but no one else?

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

      yes, A.D.

      why is it so hard for us slow-witted yankee fans to understand that?!?

    • JimT

      Beckett was suspended for his actions vs. the Angels. If Bob Watson was consistent Joba would have been suspended as well.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

        r u really comparing joba hitting someone in the thigh/hip WHILE HES IN THE BATTERS BOX to beckett aiming at someones head while hes OUT of the batters box after time is called…. surely u arent comparing those….

        …. are you???

        • JimT

          I’m not making any comparisons in respect to where the ball was thrown. I’m simply stating that in todays baseball when a pitcher throws at a batter he is subjected to a suspension. Beckett threw a “purpose pitch” at Abreu and was rightly suspended. Joba threw a “purpose pitch”, hit the batter and should now be held to the same standards. Bob Watson simply can’t make it up as he goes along.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

            1 was obviously an intentional purpose pitch, the other wasnt… if it was phil hughes on the mound, would u still think it was 100% intentional?

          • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

            “I’m not making any comparisons in respect to where the ball was thrown.”

            Ok, except that’s EXACTLY what you said. You said: “Beckett was suspended for his actions vs. the Angels. If Bob Watson was consistent Joba would have been suspended as well.” (emphasis mine) You’re saying that since Beckett was suspended for throwing near the head of a batter who was outside the batter’s box and had already called timeout, then walking towards the batter and inciting an argument/fight, then Joba should be suspended for hitting a batter who was standing in the batter’s box during the normal course of play, and that to not suspend Joba, SINCE Beckett was suspended, is inconsistent.

            You know that makes no sense and that’s why you’re claiming you didn’t say that. But you did say that, and it’s completely wrong.

      • Nady Nation

        Yea, because hitting a batter in the back is the same thing as throwing at a batter’s head AFTER the batter called timeout.

      • A.D.

        And if the Sox thought it was as bad as the Angels did they would have cleared the dugout.

  • Tom Zig

    I love how Boston complains so much when we hit one of their batters. Like Pedro and Clemens never hit anyone. Or how about Julian Tavarez “teaching” Dice-K how to “throw to” A-rod. Our players have been hit for years and now all of a sudden when we retaliate it’s the worst thing in the world.

  • Muel

    I disagree. To me, the throw was deliberate. Bay had already taken him deep in the game, as well as Mo while at Fenway. It was the first pitch of the at-bat. There were two outs. And we know Joba’s not shy about throwing at Youk. As has been suggested by others, it was perhaps in response to the first base coaches alleged tipping of pitches the night before.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

      it was a 1 run game with a guy on base… i think if he wanted to hit someone, he would have done it in a 3 run game, 2 outs, nobody on, and with a 4 seam fast ball in the ribs, not a 2 seam fastball in the upper thigh

      • Muel

        It’s easy to say that when the opportunity is there, but it wasn’t. If the Yanks/Joba wanted to send a message, it was probably the best opportunity of the game. Their hottest hitter with 2 outs. 2 seamer or 4 seamer, it wasn’t a breaking ball.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

    ill take our chances in a beanball war… we have 3 starters that throw 96 and a 4th that throws 93

    besides, i guarantee u nobody is charging the mound when CC is pitching… id love to see that

    • Tom Zig

      Can we bring back Farnsworth and just have him sit around just in case a fight breaks out?

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

        pr0FF3ss0r_F4rnsw0rth: hey fools brace your butts for the kyle farnsworth noise comin to mettle in your affairs

        • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Dude, we’re the only two people who are in on that joke. Not easy to make dugout references around here.

          • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

            i was gonna inquire about what that joke meant, but im lazy

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

            How the hell can people not know about The Dugout?

            • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              I remember making a couple of Dugout references, like, last summer, and getting a bunch of “what the hell are you talking about”s in response, even after I was like “here’s a link.” I think the Dugout is less popular than we realize. I blame it on the move to AOL, it got so watered down when they made the move (maybe “watered down” is harsh, but they had to clean it up and it’s different now).

              • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

                Agreed. I’ve more or less stopped reading it since the move to AOL. I check it every so often but not all that much anymore.

      • A.D.

        Bring Strawberry back as an enforcer.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Time to bring back my boy Gerald “Ice” Williams to punch some Sox pitchers in the face!

          http://www.cylive.com/viewRow......t=&q=

        • Whitey14

          He’d never make it to the brawl though. The foul lines would be too intriguing ;-)

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27
    • JimT

      Very brave of you considering you’re not the one in the batters box.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

        …..seriously?

  • Derby

    Haha I’d love to see pedroia charge the mound against CC. What, there’s only about a foot of height difference and like 100+ lbs right? I say pedroia gets hit farther than A-rod’s homer last night lol

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

      i honestly think our manager could kick pedroia’s ass, dead serious

      • Rey22

        You kidding? That’s an absolute no doubter.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

      I picture CC grabbing Pedroia by the head and keeping him away at arm’s length, while Pedroia’s arms flail away helplessly.

      That, or Pedroia hammering away at CC’s chest with both fists, screaming, “You brute! You vicious, vicious brute!”

      • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

        That, or Pedroia hammering away at CC’s chest with both fists, screaming, “You brute! You vicious, vicious brute!”

        Blazing Saddles, ftw.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I could picture the Red Sox doing the French Mystique.

          “Throw out your hands
          Stick out your tush
          Hands on your hips
          Give ‘em a push”

  • Mike

    You ever notice pedroia looks exactly like little bit of luck from those lotto commercials

    • Mike HC

      hahhaha

      • Derby

        hahaha thanks to you everytime I see those commercials I’m gonna think of pedroia. Yea they look exactly like each other, from the doofiness all the way to the balding on top!

  • Max

    It seems lately like 40% of the comments come from insecure Red Sox fans who cant just read the 10,000 Red Sox blogs out there and now they feel the need to come in and talk shit at RAB.

    As far as the beanball war goes…Get a life, you’re team has whipped us in every way possible this season and yet there’s still some bullshit to complain about.

    I completely agree with Nady Nation. Over the past decade, the Sox have been throwing at Jeets about as much as Rick Vaughn did to that metallic cutout in Major League.

    All you ever here about is the grit and the working-class hustle of this Red Sox team (conveniently leaving out their massive payroll), yet when things get a little chippy they act like a bunch of girls.

    Later.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

      It seems lately like 40% of the comments come from insecure Red Sox fans who cant just read the 10,000 Red Sox blogs out there and now they feel the need to come in and talk shit at RAB.

      couldnt agree more man… its bad during the game threads, but not early on a saturday morning??? id be shocked if any RAB regular went on a sox blog to hassle them…. its just so bush-league

      • Whitey14

        I assume I’m the one judged to be hassling you guys today. I apologize that I’m having a bad day typing comments and that I’ve made you angry. However, I’ve been coming here fairly steadily for a year and a half now and it’s uncommon for me to get into arguments. I have opionions about the Yankees that are every bit as valid as yours, just as you have opinions about the Red Sox that are every bit as valid as mine. Why shouldn’t we discuss them?

        And for the record, I come in and comment whether the Red Sox have won or lost against New York and I don’t just come in to bash the Yankees when they lose. I have no “insecurities” about my team. My Red Sox fandom does not define me as a person. I love the Red sox and I root for them passionately, but if they were to finish in last place, I wouldn’t lose sleep over it. I’d do the same thing I do when anything else makes me angry or upset for whatever reason, I’d give my daughter a hug, talk to her in a funny voice and make her laugh and then forget whatever I was upset about.

        Sorry to be so bush-league by trying to provide an alternate perspective.

    • thurdonpaul

      +1

  • Texeiramvp (JobaCyYoung)/Letsgoyankees-It depends on the blog

    What morons.

    Righ, get two guys on in a close game. Oviously Joba’s hatred of the Sox outweighed his desire to win.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

      Oviously Joba’s hatred of the Sox outweighed his desire to win.

      well duh. yankee players dont care about winning… they just enjoy burning down hospitals, stealing from church offering plates, digging up graveyards, laughing at orphan children, and collecting their massive undeserved paychecks

      it would only make sense hitting jason bay would outweigh his desire to “win”

  • JobaWockeeZ

    And let’s totally forget that Pedro sent Jeter to the hospital by a pitch but when Joba throws a two seamer in the hip is the end of the world? Flawless logic.

  • A.D.

    What I don’t get is the Sox are 5-0 against up these season and in 1st place, why are they moaning about Bay being hit in the thigh?

  • Texeiramvp (JobaCyYoung)/Letsgoyankees-It depends on the blog

    The Red Sox should shut up and play.

    Get over it, you pansies. We never used to hit any of you guys when Torre was here.

    • Whitey14

      That’s because your pitchers were pansies though ;-)

  • Texeiramvp (JobaCyYoung)/Letsgoyankees-It depends on the blog

    I hope the Red Sox fight us just so the Yankees could gain higher moral ground. And kick their ass.

    • Whitey14

      Yeah a fight would be great! Ortiz and Teixeira can stand there and continually swing and miss at each other!

      • Tank the Frank (formerly just “Frank”)

        IETC

        • http://actyankee.blogspot.com Matt ACTY

          +1

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Heh.

  • Jake H

    Hey Johnny, what about Pedro drilling Yankees for years? What about Beckett hitting guys? Come on you are a big baby.

  • DocBooch

    I think he did throw at him…

    My first reaction when I saw him get drilled was…”It’s about ****** time.”

    Bay is just a little too comfortable facing us, let him think about getting drilled now. It’s called good Ol’ country hardball and hasn’t been played in 40 years. I’m glad we have a white trash 5th starter, they need a guy who doesn’t give a ****.

    All he needs to do now is rub some liniment on his balls and get on the mound and we have the re-incarnation of Clemens

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

      i personally disagree that it was intentional, however, in the future id love to see him plunk someone with some 95+ cheese

      not in a 1 run game with somebody already on base, but im all on board for sending a message

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

      lol @ the self-censorship

      Gotta keep it clean for the kids, amirite?

      • DocBooch

        Figured there was no sense in blatantly cursing….since it is a rule on commenting. Just as easy to put asterisks.

  • Mike HC

    Nobody likes being hit by a 90 mph fastball, whether it was intentional or not. If someone punches me in the face by accident, I would still be pretty pissed. When Dikembe Mutombo used to elbow guys in the head because he played with over aggressive elbows, it was not intentional, but he didn’t care either way. If he happened to elbow you in the face, then fine. I think the Red Sox have every right to be pissed, whether it was intentional or not. Joba throws heat, and is not afraid to wing it in there on the inside part of the plate. He may not have intentionally hit Bay, but he sure as hell could care less if the pitch happened to hit him, which it did.

    • Mike HC

      Saying that, you premised the story with “let’s get to some good ol’ fashioned mocking of the Boston Red Sox,” so I have a feeling you also think the Red Sox have a point if you look at this impartially.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

      you could say the same thing about any batter thats every been hit by any fastball in the history of baseball

      95% of hits batsmen are unintentional, and while yes they still hurt the batter, the other team doesnt retaliate cuz they know it was unintentional

      thats why ur analogy makes little to no sense

      • Mike HC

        Joba is notorious for hitting guys, as is Beckett. The next time Beckett hits one of the hottest hitting Yankees, you can come on here and tell the world it was clearly unintentional and everyone should calm down. When a guy gets a reputation for hitting batters, and then he hits one, I mean, only a fool would think it was truly an accident. Like I stated before, Joba may have not intentionally hit him, but the pitch was at the least meant to push Bay off the plate. Joba pushed him so far off the plate that he ended up at first base with a welt in his back. Come on, you’re telling me Bay and Red Sox should just have said no big deal after the game? That is not how this world works.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

          When a guy gets a reputation for hitting batters, and then he hits one, I mean, only a fool would think it was truly an accident

          so by ur logic, every hit batter joba has for the rest of his career would be intentional… never again can he hit a batter without being threatened to get ejected cuz it was 100% intentional

          its gonna be a long next 15 years if thats the case

          • Mike HC

            I don’t think Joba should be suspended, or have been ejected. I agree that there is no conclusive evidence that Joba intended to hit him. I am merely commenting that Bay and the Red Sox have a right to feel this way. I am looking at it from their perspective and if Beckett did the same thing to the Yankees. I would not call for Becketts suspension, but I would sure hope someone on the Yanks would step up and say something about it. And yes, every time Joba hits a batter while attempting to throw an inside fastball, I would expect the other team to be pissed. That is what happens when you have a reputation as a head hunter, whether it is fair or not. Over the next 15 years, you are going to see many a team and player get pissed after Joba hits them square in the back with a fastball. My point has nothing to do with suspensions, but merely how the opposing team has a right to feel.

            • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

              i never brought up suspensions, so im not sure where that came from…. i used the word “ejected” cuz thats usually what happens when the umpire is 100% sure it was intentional

              but ur right, joba does have that reputation, so if the sox assume every hit batter he has is intentional, thats their prerogative, however….

              if the sox thought it was intentional, u retaliate on the field, not with your pitching coach whining to the media…. its bush-league

              • Mike HC

                As I commented below, I can agree with that. The way to retaliate is during the game, not by whining to the media.

        • Johnny

          no, they should have kept their mouths shut. If they felt like there was injustice they could handle it the same way it has been for years and beaned somebody back.

          The concept behind protecting your hitters is even if it’s an accident, which this clearly was, you have to send a message back. The message is if your gonna throw inside, don’t miss or you could get someone hurt.

          There would have been no problem with beckett coming out after and dusting somebody, or even hitting somebody as long as he doesn’t go headhunting.

          this is twice this year the Red Sox have gone through the media over this beanball nonsense. This time it’s a coach. I think they’re working the hype and keep it on peoples minds so the next time joba misses a little bit, the umps can over-react and issue a warning. Then Joba loses the inner half, and maybe ortiz get a hit here and there.

          • Mike HC

            I can agree with that. Maybe the best way to handle it is to just retaliate and not whine to the media, but that does not change the fact the Red Sox should not just “let it go.” I would not expect the Yanks to just “let it go,” if the situation was switched.

        • Tank the Frank (formerly just “Frank”)

          “Joba is notorious for hitting guys…”

          How is this true? He’s been in the league 2 seasons. He’s thrown at Youkilis 3 times but never actually hit him. If you want to say Joba is notorious for throwing at Kevin Youkilis, then that’s a true statement. But he’s not notorious for hitting guys. That’s just not true.

  • Red Sox Nation

    WAAAAAHHHHH!!!

    wah

    =(

  • Johnny

    In an earlier comment I forgot to mock Boston so here goes(as childishly as I can)

    Boston: the only place where swine flu is an STD

    What do get when a Boston woman goes on fertility drugs?
    A bunch more ugly whores!

    Also, Theo Epstein is a child molester, David Ortiz eats babies, and youk looks like the biggest douchebag in baseball with that stupid F***ing beard.

    • Whitey14

      Mission accomplished, you did it as childishly as you could ;-)

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Why did the Christ story happen in Nazareth and not Boston?
        -Because they couldn’t find a virgin and three wise men in Massachusetts.

        Where’s the best place to hide money in a Boston home?
        -Under the soap.

        What do you call a million people with a collective IQ of 10?
        -The St. Patrick’s Day Parade

        Why do Polocks move to Boston?
        -To teach.

        • Whitey14

          God, I can only imagine the jokes you have about us Mainers! Sorry, Mainahs ;-)

          • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

            Maine > Boston

            I like Boston to visit but Maine’s a beautiful state.

  • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    I find it unseemly that Farrell is the one making these statements. Coaches can and should say whatever they want to their team in private, but going public with this stuff just seems inappropriate for someone in his position. Coaches, managers, front office… I just think those people should be above this stuff, at least in public. This is a coach making public accusations and, in a sense, inciting violence and confrontation. Grow up.

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

      BUSH LEAGUE

      • Whitey14

        Then they should stop interviewing Coaches….

        • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          Or coaches could just stop making inappropriate comments in response to questions from the media. Every coach gets asked questions and that will never change, but not every coach gives inappropriate responses.

          • Whitey14

            I guess it just depends on who gets to define “innapropriate” in these types of instances.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tADvb3yyhwM Slugger27

          you gotta be kidding me

  • JP

    This is why the DH has to go. Look, throwing at batters is part of the game. Anything can be overdone, but beaning a guy who’s tearing your team up with homers isn’t such a bad thing. It’s part of the game. Used to be, if it got out of hand, the opposing pitcher could throw at YOUR PITCHER, and pitchers don’t want to get beaned, so they sort of stuck to “the code.” Not anymore. But still, throwing at players has always been part of the game, and it’s stupid to complain about it. Not saying Joba didn’t miss with the pitch, but even if he didn’t, it’s part of the game.

    What stinks is Farrell’s posturing about it. That part is stupid. Next time A-Rod hits a bunch of homers off the Red Sox and sinks Papelbon, well, then I’d expect Boston to try to scare him a little.

    But lately, the Red Sox haven’t needed to do any of this, the Yankees look scared enough of Boston without any beanings. Farrell is hurting his team by just making an issue of it, and if he riles up the Yankees, then good.

    • Whitey14

      How did he hurt his team exactly?

  • Whitey14

    Yeeeeaaaahhhh, why would Joba, who was utterly dominating at that the point in the game, drill the guy who was beating his team’s ass like a red-headed step-child? He clearly wasn’t fearing any baserunners at that point in time since he was stiking most guys out before they even reached the batter’s box. He was sending a message to Bay by hitting him, which is absolutely fine because the situation called for it, but it was intentional, make no mistake about that.

    You can mock John Farrell all you want for what he said, but over the past few years many Yankee fans have been begging their pitchers to stand up for their teammates, especially against Boston. When John Farrell states that that is the Red Sox intention, when situations like that arise, he’s ranting? Let it go Ben, let it go.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      • Whitey14

        Great argument Ben. I have no idea what type of law you’re planning on practicing, but you should definitely use that line whenever possible.

        • Nady Nation

          Really not trying to be a dick, just curious – how come you come to a Yankee blog as a Sox fan? Are there no good Sox blogs?

          • Whitey14

            None I care to visit. It’s usually just a bunch of guys blowing each other about how “great” the team is. I try to be as honest as possible about my team and yours. I’m just in an arumentative mood today so when people state things as factual when they’re arguable, at best, I have to respond. I really don’t come here to argue though. I think Mike, Joe and Ben do a great job and there are a lot of commenters here that I really enjoy reading because they see both sides of the issues and don’t just comment with yankee colored glasses on. I wish there were more Red Sox fans in my neighborhood like that. I don’t go for all the Yankee bashing and Sox praising unless it’s warranted.

            • http://mantisfists.files.wordpress.com/2008/10/julius-carry-aka-shonuff.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              “I’m just in an arumentative mood today so when people state things as factual when they’re arguable, at best, I have to respond.”

              As far as I can tell, the people “stat(ing) things as factual when they’re arguable, at best,” are Sox fans who are stating that Joba intentionally threw at Bay and, thus, should be suspended, and the people noting that that is an “arguable” premise, at best, are Yankees fans who are arguing that it’s arguable at best that Joba meant to hit Bay so he probably shouldn’t be suspended.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

          I’m agreeing with Nady Nation, Whitey. You’re a Red Sox fan; this is a Yankee blog. And you’re being unnecessarily nasty this morning. Generally you’re respectful, but that was a personal attack. Review the commenting guidelines, and please abide by them.

          And if my graphic offended you, I apologize. It was meant simply a light-hearted joke.

        • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug
    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=15305165&ref=profile Doug

      So… which one is it, he hit Bay because he was getting blown out, or because he didn’t care because he was so dominant?

      Aside from a 4-run first inning, he was keeping his team in the game by striking out everyone. I don’t see why he would be so shortsighted as to put another runner on base in a 1-run game.

      • DocBooch

        Cuz he is Joba f’ng Chamberlain and he can do that

  • DocBooch

    Not for nothing, but Whitney’s comments didnt sound to me to be RS biased. He is just soundly arguing with you Ben. I think that cheese and whine thing was a little much.

    Take a look at Joba’s comments after the game, he didn’t apologize and made me think it was intentional even more. I don’t remember exactly what he said but you might want to look it up

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

      I think that cheese and whine thing was a little much.

      The Internet no longer has a sense of humor.

      Anyway, he didn’t apologize? I didn’t really baseball players were a bunch of pansies who went around apologizing to each other. What exactly did he say?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Benjamin Kabak

        Here’s what Bay said:

        “Like I said, given that particular juncture of the game, I didn’t really think so,” Bay said. “You’d have to ask him. I honestly don’t know. Things have happened [in the past], but immediately, I thought, probably not [on purpose].”

        At least someone knows sound baseball strategy up north.

        • Mike HC

          If that is really how Bay feels, and he was not just giving the PC line to the media, then Farrell’s comment looks even more like posturing and posing just for the sake of doing it. I understand sticking up for your players, but if the player had no problem with it, why should the coach get all huffy and puffy about it?

        • Scooter

          “up north” = Canada – not Beantown

          Farrell is a solid pitching coach – but his take on this can be summed up by one word: “WAHHHHHH”

          Either he’s playing to the local media, or he’s eaten too much clam chowdah

          And didn’t you know – the internet is serious business:
          http://tobi-x.com/c-base/inter.....ss-cat.jpg

  • steve (different one)

    guys, his name is whitey, not whitney

    • Whitey14

      Thank you Steve.

  • steve (different one)

    the nesting above is too complicated, so here is a great example, hot off the presses, of how deep Mitchell must have dug into the Red Sox:

    Sat. May 9, 2009, Lou Merloni on Comcast SportsNet’s The Baseball Show: “I’m in spring training, and I got an 8:30-9:00 meeting in the morning. I walk into that office, and this happened while I was with the Boston Red Sox before this last regime, I’m sitting in the meeting. There’s a doctor up there and he’s talking about steroids, and everyone was like ‘here we go, we’re gonna sit here and get the whole thing — they’re bad for you.’ No. He spins it and says ‘you know what, if you take steroids and sit on the couch all winter long, you can actually get stronger than someone who works out clean, if you’re going to take steroids, one cycle won’t hurt you, abusing steroids it will.’ He sat there for one hour and told us how to properly use steroids while I’m with the Boston Red Sox, sitting there with the rest of the organization, and after this I said ‘what the heck was that?’ And everybody on the team was like ‘what was that?’ And the response we got was ‘well, we know guys are taking it, so we want to make sure they’re taking it the right way’… Where did that come from? That didn’t come from the Player’s Association.”

    http://www.bostondirtdogs.com/

  • Tank the Frank (formerly just “Frank”)

    The real point is this… and it’s absolutely indisputable:

    The Red Sox are the biggest collection of crybaby wimps in all of baseball. There are exceptions, of course, but from top to bottom, I can’t think of another team that whines and complains more than the Red Sox.

    Kevin Youkilis can’t go one week without crying about something. In fact, I think he cries so much, it’s permanently affected his face. Even Manny had to bitch-slap him and put him in his place. Pedroia has no problems running his mouth off when something doesn’t go his way. He’s known to be cocky… I don’t think that’s debatable. Even Ortiz – who’s very well liked – has taken to running his mouth off. And I don’t even need to go into Beckett and Papelbon.

    I’ll provide examples should someone require them, but I didn’t think it was necessary given the length of this post and common sense dictating the truth.

    The fact remains that the Red Sox, despite turning the tide in their rivalry against the Yankees, continue to bitch and moan through the media at every opportunity. And now even their coaches are joining the fun.

    You will never hear Jeter make an excuse, or criticize a player on the other team. You’ll never hear Mariano Rivera, or see him act the way the Red Sox do on the field. Mark Teixeira is the epitome of class… Robinson Cano, Matsui, Melky, even the new additions, the fiery A.J Burnett and CC Sabathia.

    I challenge someone to give me one example over the past 2, 3 or 4 years where a Yankees player has run his mouth at the Red Sox through the media. Even if there were an example given, for every one I could provide three coming from Red Sox players. I personally find it funny that the Yankees continue to play the role as the “Evil Empire” when it’s the Red Sox camp providing all the bulletin board material.

    • Tank the Frank (formerly just “Frank”)

      *Disclaimer*

      Hank Steinbrenner need not be mentioned.

      I’m intrested more in the players.