Torre, Bronx-bound in 2010, blames Proctor for injury

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Known for his high workloads with the Yanks (102.1 IP in ’06, yikes), Scott Proctor had Tommy John surgery last week after battling elbow issues for parts of the last two seasons. Now, his longtime manager Joe Torre says that Proctor’s stupidity is to blame. “There’s playing hurt, and then there’s playing stupid,” Torre said. “It doesn’t have anything to do with someone’s intelligence. If you can endure pain and still are able to do what you do, that’s one thing. If you’re willing to play, which means you certainly are brave, but you can’t be the player that you need to be, then it’s not very smart to do for your own health, and you’re not helping the team either.”

Now, I understand that Joe is trying to say that Proctor should have spoken up about when he needed a break, but it’s not like the guy forced his way into 166 games in a two year span. Joe is usually an excellent communicator, but some things are better left unsaid.

In other Joe Torre news, The Post reports that the 2010 preliminary schedule features a trip to the Bronx by Torre and the Dodgers. It would be the Dodgers’ first visit to the Bronx since the 1981 World Series and Torre’s first since his uncomfortable departure in 2007. Derek Jeter told the Murdoch-owned tabloid that it would be “awkward” to play against Torre.

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  • El Generalissimo

    Ahh Torre once again blaming someone else for his screw ups, gotta love him!

  • Lanny

    Blaming Torre for the injuries to average arms like Proctor and Sturtze is a little much. I don’t see Rivera getting injured or anything. Does Torre now get credit for that? I didn’t see Stanton or Nelson get hurt or people complain about overuse. You can’t kill Torre for injuries to arms like Proctor and Karsay and Sturtze and all the other average arms.

    • Hobbes

      Wow, did you ever watch the seasons when Torre killed Proctor? It was like a bad joke how much he used him. What is Proctor going to say, please don’t play me? Every reliever says they can play no matter what, Mariano said it the other night. It is up to the manager to decide how much is too much.

      • Zack

        “The right-hander has been hurt about a month, but kept it from manager Joe Torre and the training staff. He has allowed 14 runs — 11 earned — over 8 2-3 innings over his last 11 appearances.”
        “After some more prodding, Proctor came clean with Torre. An injured player cannot be optioned to the minors.”

        http://sports.espn.go.com/espn.....id=3461103

        So everything Torre said was true, and this article was from last year

      • kingshaffy

        Actually it was me and my brother’s running joke…lean against the couch, pull your hat down and say “GET UP PROCTOR”. I can’t tell you how many times we thought that Torre was trying to kill him. He used him when the game was tied, up 1, up 9, down 9. I’ve never seen anything like it. Go look at the stats. No one has ever come close to the abuse Torre heaped on Proctor in 2006. 102 innings as a reliever is ridiculous.

        Torre’s comments make it even more his fault as he should have used discretion. I can’t believe he’s ripping him now. He’s such a douche and I couldn’t be happier that he’s gone.

    • jsbrendog

      oaktag.

    • andrew

      Well, the difference is quite simply that Mariano, Stanton, or Nelson were never used as much as Karsay, Quantrill, Sturtze or Proctor. Who knows, if Mariano, Stanton or Nelson topped 80 games or 90 IP, maybe they would be in the discussion right now as guys Torre ruined, but the reality is, as much as those guys were worked, Karsay, Quantrill, Sturtze and Proctor were worked even harder.

      • Zack

        mariano had over 90 IP in 1996

    • jsbrendog

      ps: i picked the yrs they had the most appearances 2 yrs in a row with the yankees under torre

      jeff nelson 96-97:
      150 games 153 IP

      Mike Stanton 01-02:
      155 games 158 and a third IP

      Proctor 06-07:
      166 games 188 2/3 IP
      AND he only had 26 games and 44 IP the yr before.

      • jsbrendog

        karsay:
        78 appearances in 02 over 80 IP
        Then injured all of 03

        Quantrill:
        86 games 95 innings in 04.

        Nelson NEVER had 78 appearances in a season HIS ENTIRE CAREER

        Stanton did it once while with the yankees in his last yr with theteam and then for the mets later.

        so lanny = epic fail

        • FL Yank

          You really didn’t need all those bullets to point out the epicness of the failitude that is Lanny. It’s already so painfully obvious that I had to create/butcher two different words.

        • andrew

          Thank you. That’s basically what i said above but was too lazy to actually type out all the numbers.

    • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

      The difference is that those other guys had pretty defined roles, whereas he used Proctor indiscriminately. Starter knocked out in the third? Bring in Scottie for two or three. Game going to extras, bring in Scottie. Bases loaded nobody out in the 7th? Bring in Scottie. This led to insane overuse in the most meaningless of situations. He only used the guys you listed in very specific situations.

      • Zack

        Extra innings is meaningless situation?

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Aunt Becca-Optimist Prime

    Man I want a ticket to those games

  • LiveFromNewYork

    When did JT turn into such a whiny blameball? He overworked the crap out of Proctor and everyone knows it.

  • http://theyankeebomber.blogspot.com Conan

    I suppose it was Proctor’s fault, too, for pitching Weaver in the 12th inning of the 2003 World Series with Mo still in the pen.

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Aunt Becca-Optimist Prime

      Dude, you remember that series?

      My memory for 2003 stops after Boone’s shot.

      • http://theyankeebomber.blogspot.com Conan

        Of course I remember. Yanks haven’t been back since – thanks to Torre’s blundering managing in the 2004 ALCS. Maybe that was that stupid Proctor’s fault, too.

  • Tank the Frank (formerly just “Frank”)

    Forget Torre and Proctor. I never wanted to see Manny again!

    • http://theyankeebomber.blogspot.com Conan

      Amen, brother.

    • Tank the Frank (formerly just “Frank”)

      Then again, a post-PED, out of shape Manny, one year older? Maybe we could see AJ and CC pumping fastballs by him? As with Ortiz… better late than never.

  • E-ROC

    Check out the days of rest for Scott Proctor in the 2006 and 2007 seasons on baseball reference. That helps put the abuse in perspective.

    • http://theyankeebomber.blogspot.com Conan

      42 out of 83 appearances, multiple innings. Brutal.

      • Zack

        So one minute fans hate one inning relievers, hate 6 inning pitchers, hate 100 pitch counts; then a guy gets hurt and we look back 3 years and say he had too many 1+ innings games

    • CapitalT

      And that doens’t even get to the days where Joe would get Proctor warmed up only to not bring him in

  • mustang

    The further Torre gets away from NY the more I realize how much of an ass he is.
    Come on now it wasn’t only Proctor can we list the number of guys he did this too?

  • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

    Joe, i guess it was Quantrill’s fault too. And Sturtzes. And Karsay’s. And Gordon’s.

    • mustang

      Yes, of course it was because they managed themselves. They said please, please put me until my arm falls off and I can’t pitch anymore.

      • Zack

        So if Jeter has a sore hamstring, doesnt speak up, Girardi gives him the sign to steal 2nd and he pulls it then it’s Girardi’s fault?

        • mustang

          Oh please, Torre did it to how many guys?
          It’s basically Torre covering his ass because with Proctor its so damn obvious.
          Why even bring it up if Torre did nothing wrong?

          • Zack

            “Why even bring it up if Torre did nothing wrong?”
            Yeah because Torre goes to the media and just talks without getting asked questions. IF he said ‘no comment’ you guys would call him a coward.

            Look at the article i posted from ESPN earlier. Proctor ADMITTED he was HIDING an injury last year.

  • r.w.g.

    Honestly.. the more I look back on it, we should have canned the guy after 2003 or 2004.

    What an asshole.

    • kingshaffy

      After ’04 definitely. He was in a coma the entire ALCS.

  • mustang

    I have no problems with the way Torre used some of these guys. Like Lanny said they were ” average arms” and maybe the way Torre use them was all they were good for. But to now play St. Joe and blame the player come on.

  • Kevin M.

    To ruin a guy’s career and then kick sand in his face while he’s down is just disgusting. Even if it WAS Proctor’s fault (and it definitely was not) has some decency for the guy who’s about to have his elbow replaced. Don Torre….classy till the end.

    • Zack

      ruin his career? so every pitch who gets TJ can blame their manager for the injury?

  • Jeremy

    It’s not like Proctor blamed Torre for his injury, right?

    Such arrogance.

  • Zack

    “but it’s not like the guy forced his way into 166 games in a two year span.”

    -i think that number is wrong, wasnt proctor in LA for 31 games in 2007?

    • http://theyankeebomber.blogspot.com Conan

      He also pitched 52 for the Yanks prior to the trade.

      • Zack

        right so Yankees used him 131 in 2 years, not 166

  • Pete c.

    Wow, Joe Torre;stand-up guy.

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