2009 Draft: Pirates taking Sanchez

RAB's Ground Rules for the 2009 Draft
Teixeira takes a slim lead in ASG voting

Keith Law is reporting that the Pirates have reached (an illegal) predraft deal with Boston College catcher Tony Sanchez. The Yanks were connected to Sanchez last month. This is quite a reach with the fourth overall pick, so I’m guessing they’re saving money to land higher profile players that drop later, or will spend the money elsewhere (international market, etc). They did just save a nice chunk of change thanks to the Nate McLouth deal.

KLaw’s also got an update on how the top 15 will likely shake out.

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RAB's Ground Rules for the 2009 Draft
Teixeira takes a slim lead in ASG voting
  • V

    Wow – SJ44 hinted at Lohud that there were discussions last night with an unnamed team.

    Why is a deal ‘illegal’? I assume it’s just not legally binding, no?

    • http://www.teamnerdrage.com leokitty

      You’re not allowed to negotiate before drafting, but everyone does it anyway. You can read Joe Morgan’s favorite book Moneyball to get real accounts of how it works.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Not supposed to talk money with players before the draft, but obviously teams still do. Like, all of ‘em.

      • Ivan

        It’s like jay-walking. Yeah it’s illegal, but everybody does it and it’s not like the law enforces it that much.

    • Reggie C.

      Who is SJ44? A baseball insider at Lohud?

      • CountryClub

        He’s one of the few good posters over there at Lohud. But his knowledge of this deal is because he’s his Uncle.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Ooooh, insider trading!

          SJ44 = Ivan Boesky

    • http://anewfrontier.wordpress.com Pablo Zevallos

      SJ44 is his uncle, so he would know.

      • CountryClub

        To be clear, I never saw SJ44 mention anything about a deal with any team. I was just responding to the question that asked who he was.

        • Peter

          Using a Lohud commenter as a factual source.

          Now I’ve seen it all!

          • Observer283

            To be fair, SJ44 has proven to be a very credible source.

  • A.D.

    Ohhh the Pirates, so basically they went with the opposite of last year, going with the illegal agreement pre-draft, instead of after the signing period.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      IETC.

  • Charlie

    whatever, the pirates have an awful organization. I really hope the yanks don’t take a catcher, we’ve got plenty of them.

    • Ivan

      To be fair, they are in a much better direction now than in the post. Besides, this pick is much better than 2 years ago when the Pirates drafted Daniel Moskos.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      Plenty? The onyl one I really like is Jesus Montero.

      • Charlie

        what’s wrong with austin romine? Plus, we got frankie if he somehow learns how to hit, and if not, he’ll be a good backup. there’s another guy with a weird and long name in A ball i think that’s a decent prospect, too.

        • Doug

          i think romine’s our future catcher, with montero moving to a corner OF position or worst-case, DH

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          there’s another guy with a weird and long name in A ball i think that’s a decent prospect, too.

          Kyle Higashioka probably thinks “Charlie” is a weird and short name, you big meanie.

          • Charlie

            that’s the guy, hopefully i didn’t insult him.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Meh, I’m just teasing you.

              Look at my name, for Mosakes, it’s like eleventy-billion letters long. And this is the abridged version.

  • http://www.teamnerdrage.com leokitty

    That’s crazier than the Jason Castro pick by the Astros I think.

    • V

      I like Sanchez better than Castro. He’ll be a solid, gold glove potential catcher with league average to above average offense. Not an impact player, per se, but the type of player a lot of teams need and don’t have.

      • http://www.teamnerdrage.com leokitty

        I’d guess they’re saving all their money for Miguel Sano. Even if they’re putting the bulk of their money into Latin America, I don’t know how much they’ll have left over after him.

        We shall see! This year’s draft + international market is very strange so it will be fun to watch everything unfold (provided the Yankees fare pretty well, of course).

  • Charlie

    slade heathcott seems like a cross between ajax and gardner, only stronger. And i pray the yanks don’t take brett jackson, seems pretty unimpressive. Are there any good pitchers we have a good chance of poppin in the first round?

    • Doug

      according to law’s final mock, scheppers, crow, and gibson will all be available

      • Charlie

        that’d be awesome if all of those guys fell, but a mock draft is a mock draft. if all three are there, i’d definitely take crow.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          If all three are there, it triples the likelihood that at least one of them slides to #76, so I still take Heathcott at #29 and wait for the windfall.

          • Charlie

            with the talent those guys have, how would they fall that much?

            • Doug

              $

              • Doug

                oh, and medicals on scheppers and gibson

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Money.

              Why do you think they’re falling to 29 in the first place?

              The bigger the money demand/injury risk, the further the fall.

              • Charlie

                yea, i don’t know too much about the draft. So many rounds and kinda complicated.

          • Doug

            is that what tends to happens to these guys, if they slip out of the first, they fall far?

            • http://www.teamnerdrage.com leokitty

              Depends on what exactly their contract demands are after the smoke and mirrors start to fade.

              There are only a few teams that can pony up “Porcello money” and one of them–the Mets–doesn’t go overslot in the draft.

    • A.D.

      When you look at the Mocks, it seems the only reason to take Brett Jackson is if everyone is wrong, no one falls, and Heathcott is taken right in front of the Yanks, and even then it seems like someone would have to be squeezed out by no one falling that the Yanks would want.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    We might need one of you fine fellows with the awesome embedding skills to embed that epic facepalm Naked Gun Frank Drebin clip to fully sum-up the utter facepalm-iness of this Pirates blunder. I don’t think the Carl Pavano facepalm is graphic enough. We’ve got to go straight to ludicrous speed.

    • Ivan

      Well the Moskos pick 2 years ago was ALOT worse than this one.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        No disagreements there.

    • handtius

      Ah buckle this!

  • James K

    Taking Sanchez that early would be a bit of a reach, but bear in mind they’re starting to see some of their young talent come to fruition. Trading McClouth was a good decision in my humble opinion. Sure, they could have gotten more, but depth is something they need. McClouth isn’t a piece that makes them a true contender anyway.

    Also, they might just get Miguel Angel Sano out of the D.R. and that won’t come cheap. Allocating money toward that isn’t a terrible idea. Over the past 20 years they’ve been an embarrassment but they might actually be developing a decent team. Way too early to tell, though.

    I’m rambling now.

    • Reggie C.

      We assume the Pirates keep separate budgets for the MLB draft and International signing period. That might not be the case with this team. I kinda feel bad for their fan base.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Heh, at first, I was like, “The utterly talent-bereft Natinals take a CLOSER with the TENTH PICK?!?!?!??! MULTIPLE INTERROBANGS?!?!?!?!??!?!”…

    But then I remembered that they’re about to get royally f#$%ed on the Strasburg negotiations, and thus, they probably can’t afford to go heavy with the tenth pick, so Storen makes some sense. Kinda.

    Still, though, I’d have to think there’s gotta be some other guys who would sign for slot rather than the ultimate reach of a closer at #10. That’s like drafting a kicker in the first round.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Storen could start. But the Nats won’t do that, he’ll be in their pen no later than September.

      • Ivan

        I assume that Strasburg has all the leverage no?

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          No. What is he going to do, turn down a record deal to go back to school?

          • Ivan

            At the same time the Nats can’t fuck this one up either and try to play hard ball. I guess it would look bad on both sides if it fell apart.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Have you seen the Natinals pen lately? Mike MacDougal is closing games for them. Yes, that Mike MacDougal.

        Storen would be in their pen by July. They probably already have the contract all laid out to his liking.

    • A.D.

      Nationals, the Raiders of MLB?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        No, the Raiders know how to spell their own name.

      • http://www.retire21.org Mike R. – Retire 21

        They are the Riders of MLB.

  • CountryClub

    Did you see that Law also said that there are over 90 players who said they wont sign unless they get 1st round money? That has to be good for the large market teams in later rounds.

  • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

    I’m not going to lie, I hope the Padres cut the Bucs off and draft Sanchez at #3. For comedic purposes only, of course.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      When that happens, I hope the Pirates draft Matt Bush.

      • Joey

        Who?
        Matt who?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          MATT F$%#ING BUSH!!!!! DON’T YOU KNOW WHO I AM??!?!?!?!?!?!

      • Ivan

        You know wats funny, the 04 draft is one of the better drafts in recent memory, and yet Matt Bush is one of the worst #1 picks in sports history.

    • donttradecano

      that would be awesome.

  • CB

    You can knock the pirates for this pick but it really speaks to the problems and unintended consequences created by a system in which you can’t trade draft picks.

    The problem isn’t that the pirates picked Sanchez – most people feel he’s a first round talent. The issue is picking him at #4. From the pirates perspective they’re stuck. They can’t trade down lower in the first round to pick him up where he would be a better value pick.

    Every year in the NFL teams decide the risk of a high first round pick isn’t worth it due to the ridiculous rookie salary cap given the available talent/needs. They trade out of that slot to a lower one. That’s how the jets got Sanchez.

    This year the pirates felt something similar. No player they could take at 4 was worth the estimated financial risk for them given their resources. But the Pirates can’t trade down in the draft to where Sanchez would be a value pick.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Every year in the NFL teams decide the risk of a high first round pick isn’t worth it due to the ridiculous rookie salary cap given the available talent/needs. They trade out of that slot to a lower one. That’s how the jets got Sanchez.

      Well, that, plus the fact that the Cleveland Browns are run by idiots who don’t know what the hell they’re doing.

      • Arman Tamzarian

        Mangenius!

      • Joey

        Mangini loves him some Abram Elam!

        • pat

          hahaha ietc.

          AND KENYON COLEMAN

    • Mister Delaware

      Asking for them to, for once, be forward thinking and invest money into a top prospect rather than an Eric Hinske would be too much, right?

    • A.D.

      Every year in the NFL teams decide the risk of a high first round pick isn’t worth it due to the ridiculous rookie salary cap given the available talent/needs. They trade out of that slot to a lower one. That’s how the jets got Sanchez.

      That’s not really it. In the NFL teams draft way more on need than in the MLB given that the player should be a starter for them that year. Teams trade down partly for bonus demands, but mainly for value. If the player you want is a later round pick, and you have an early round pick, then pick up some extra picks and get the player you want where the rest of the field is valuing him.

      Thats why the Heyward-Bey pick gets ripped, not because he’s a bad player or a bad fit for the Raiders, but because if they wanted Heyward-Bey, trade down to the middle of the first and try and pick up and extra 2nd or 3rd rounder.

  • Doug

    At what time should the Yanks be picking, + or – 30 secs ;-)

    • Joey

      6:49.32

      mark it down (I’m not even sure how long each team has to pick lol)

  • kSturnz

    Jets are awful.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      You’re awful.

  • Peter

    They’ll pay the price for the non pick of Wieters for years

  • Januz

    If this BA list is anything close to reality the Yankees should be in an excellent position: 1. Nationals: San Diego State righthander Stephen Strasburg.
    2. Mariners: North Carolina first baseman Dustin Ackley.
    3. Padres: Georgia HS outfielder Donavan Tate.
    4. Pirates: Boston College catcher Tony Sanchez.
    5. Orioles: California HS righthander Matt Hobgood.
    6. Giants: Georgia HS righthander Zack Wheeler.
    7. Braves: Vanderbilt lefthander Mike Minor.
    8. Reds: North Carolina righhander Alex White.

    10. Nationals: Stanford righthander Drew Storen.

    At No. 9, Tigers are deciding whether to spend big (California HS lefthander Tyler Matzek, Missouri HS righty Jacob Turner), smaller (Texas HS righty Shelby Miller) or a little smaller (Arizona State RHP Mike Leake).
    That would almost guarantee that some combination of Green, Crow, Gibson, Turner, and Purke will be available at 29.

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