Jul
28

Wang to have season ending surgery

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PeteAbe’s got the news. The surgery will happen tomorrow morning, presumably by Dr. James Andrews since he performed Wang’s previous shoulder operation back in 2001. No word on the exact injury, but there was talk of a possible rotator cuff tear. Depending on the severity, Wang may miss a big chunk of the 2010 season as well. It’s a shame, hope the surgery goes well tomorrow.

Update (10:21pm): Marc Carig tweets that it’s the same surgery Jorge Posada had last year, confirming that the problem is his rotator cuff indicating that the problem is a labrum tear. Posada had his surgery almost a year ago to the day, and was not able to start Spring Training on time. Given how much more important shoulders are for pitchers than catchers, it’s easy to envision a scenario where Wang is out until the 2010 All Star break.

Categories : Asides, Injuries

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  1. Accent Shallow says:

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    This is bad.

    I know shoulder surgery isn’t the kiss of death it was in 2004, but this isn’t Tommy John. I hope I’m wrong, but we may have seen the last of Good Wang.

  2. Brian says:

    Best of luck to him, hate to see this happen to him. Hopefully he gets healthy again and can revive his career. I really feel for him right now.

  3. Teix is the Man says:

    Just take a viagra for that!
    -zzzzzzzzzzzziiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnggggg

  4. Zach says:

    What was Wang’s surgery in 2001 for?

  5. Mikebk says:

    shoulder is a lot worse than elbow these days and i would think it probably does mean most if not all of 2010. now since he is up for arb this year, to the yanks non-tender or they sign him anyway?

  6. Nady Nation says:

    Man, what a brutal year Wang’s had, going back to the freak injury in Houston last summer. Here’s to a speedy recovery for CMW, and hopefully he can help us out in the second half of 2010.

  7. E-ROC says:

    Tough news for Wang. He was on top of the world, then a freak injury happens. Leads to poor mechanics and now shoulder surgery. Hopefully, he makes a full recovery.

    I wonder if changes Cashman’s approach at the deadline. Probably not, but Pettitte might be back for another year in pinstripes.

  8. Rich James says:

    Good luck Wang…

  9. Lanny says:

    Looks like we’ve seen the last of Wang as a Yankee. Shows how fragile pitchers are even ones who seem like innings eaters. It is why Philly is nuts if they dont give Drabek for Halladay. And why the Yankees will be adding depth to the rotation.

    • Looks like we’ve seen the last of Wang as a Yankee. Shows how fragile pitchers are even ones who seem like innings eaters.

      Yup.

      It is why Philly is nuts if they dont give Drabek for Halladay.

      Yeah… wait, what? That doesn’t follow from the first statement. The Phillies will have to give up multiple pitchers for one pitcher in the Halladay deal. You’re statement that all pitchers are fragile should indicate that the Phillies should be MORE risk averse about trading for a pitcher and should be LESS inclined to deal more players for fewer ones since each pitcher is just one injury away from a 2+ year odyssey in the wilderness.

  10. My immediate, spur of the moment plan:

    1) Give CC/AJ/Joba/Hughes the first four spots in the rotation for 2010
    2) Anoint IPK, Mitre, McAllister, and Nova as the favorites for the in-house 5th starter spring derby
    3) Look for a young/out of favor salary dump starter to add to depth, like Ian Snell (similar to how we bought low on Nick Swisher this year)
    4) Sign one (or preferably two) buy-low rehab starters (like what the Sox did this year to fill out the back of their rotation) to one year incentive laden deals, like Kelvim Escobar, Justin Duchsherer, Tim Hudson (if his option isn’t picked up), Jason Schmidt, or my personal favorite, my boy Ben Sheets
    5) Hope that Wang makes it back by August, but if he doesn’t, know that we’re sitting pretty depth-wise.

    • Steve H says:

      Sounds great.

      But why not Smoltz and Penny? If Theo signed them, they must be great. Of course the Yanks would have to give Smoltz 6 years/$150 mil. And Penny 5/$82, since he’s the same pitcher as AJ.

      • Mikebk says:

        i love how every serious comment has to met with a BS one to make fun of ESPN.

        • Steve H says:

          The scary thing is that alot of the BS comments aren’t that far over the top of what you really do hear/read on ESPN. The Smoltz thing was obviously outreageous, but the Penny=AJ, yet the Yankees paid 16x more for Penny (ignoring contract length of course) was a big thing for ESPN. They had similar stats. No one really wanted to point out Penny was coming off a horrible season in the NL West, while AJ had 3 solid seasons in the AL East (and not for the Sox/Yankees, meaning he had to face them both, a ton.)

    • Thomas A. Anderson says:

      Not a bad plan at all imo.

      All in favor say “aye.”

    • Accent Shallow says:

      I don’t necessarily disagree, but while CC/AJ/Joba/Hughes/random 5th in house option has off the charts upside potential, it could also turn ugly pretty quickly. Joba and Hughes are still young enough that we can’t just pencil them in and forget about it, and AJ has had his injury issues. I think they could use another veteran rotation option, but I’m not sure there’s anyone out there who’s any good who’ll come cheap.

      Obviously, CMW would really have solidified that out of ST rotation, so I’m not sure that another starter isn’t happening, and not necessarily of the buy-low/injury recovery variety.

      • Mikebk says:

        could always sign Duchscherer and he can be a reliever/starter depending on need at any given time sort of like Ace.

      • Marcos says:

        I think you’re right with the fact that while it would be an amazing rotation, it could go sour pretty fast. So I think that the best short term and mid term plan is to trade for Cliff Lee, so that the Rotation now is: CC/AJ/Petttte/Joba/Lee (as much as I want the Yanks to stretch out Hughes this season) so then we pick up Lee’s option for next year (its at or under 10M right? so its pretty cost effective)
        and then next year the rotation looks like: CC/AJ/Lee/Joba/Hughes with the 6th man being the in house option (ZMac, Nova, IPK, etc).
        Then in 2011 well see how things look like, probably CC/AJ/Joba/Hughes/ either in house option or FA pickup

    • Ed says:

      I agree with your plan if and only if Hughes is moved back to the rotation soon and pitches effectively the rest of the way.

      If not, Hughes + open #5 spot is just a repeat of 2008′s Hughes + IPK. While Hughes has been great out of the pen this year, the bullpen is an easier job and he really hasn’t pitched many major league innings since then (or minor league really).

      • If not, Hughes + open #5 spot is just a repeat of 2008’s Hughes + IPK.

        No, because 2008 isn’t 2010. Both Hughes and Kennedy will be two years older. Two years doesn’t always make you a better pitcher, but it usually makes you a better pitcher. I think both Hughes and Kennedy have improved since their 2008 washouts; I can’t see how you can quibble with that statement much.

        • Ed says:

          I think both Hughes and Kennedy have improved since their 2008 washouts

          Yes, they have, but their 2008 seasons were spectacularly bad, so that’s not really saying much.

          Kennedy missed a good chunk of ’08 with an injury and will miss almost all of ’09. If he hasn’t pitched much in that time, the odds of him improving significantly are low.

          Hughes missed even more of ’08 than Kennedy did. His ’09 has mostly been 1 inning relief stints, and you’ve been pretty big on saying why that’s hurting his development.

          Since his demotion, we’re basically talking half a season of minor league work for Kennedy, all split up due to injuries. Likewise, Hughes has about half a season of starting split between the majors and minors, and a few months of light relief work. Anyone else in consideration for the last spot would have even less experience above AA than these guys.

          And all of this is also ignoring that Joba isn’t a sure thing yet either. Just two weeks ago we were making a case that he should be demoted to AAA for a while.

          One last thing… don’t forget all the innings limits involved. You’re setting up a rotation where spots 3-5 are probably capped at around 180 innings or less.

          • All valid points. But, Joba and Hughes have both shown enough at the big league level that they can be handed rotation spots, and Kennedy (provided he has no setbacks in winter ball) has shown enough in minor league action to warrant being considered for the 5th spot competition (with others).

            But, yes, we should have multiple fallback/supplement options for them. Hence, my suggested Mitre/McAllister/Nova/Snell/Sheets/Escobar/Hudson/Duchsherer/etc.

            • Ed says:

              The optimist in me agrees with you.

              The pessimist in me sees that approach bombing spectacularly. Even more so when I think of Burnett’s history.

              Considering the team has just been piling up an absurd number of injuries for the last four years, I lean toward the pessimistic side. I’ve gotten tired of saying “The Yankees would be in great shape except for the freak injury to XXX”.

            • Reggie C. says:

              Absolutely Interesting and far too ambitious to be realized..

              Of all those guys , I’d like to see Cash make a hard run at Tim Hudson. McAllister and Nova will make a mean AAA core and would be available to spot start. Not sure if you simply put all those names down b/c you dont see Cash doing Anything at the deadline, but realistically I think Sheets would have better offers.

              So if it came down to selecting 1 of: Hudson, Snell, and Duchs … its Hudson.

    • pollo says:

      why do i feel like we’ve been down this road before? 2008 anyone?

      we need another front line starter. Young pitchers are volatile commidities. There is no guarantee we get production out of Hughes, Joba and number 5.

      We need a frontline starter + a good hedge Durscher, Kelvim etc.

      • Hughes + Joba in ’10 are most likely going to be much, much better than Hughes + Kennedy in ’08. As for a frontline starter, I’d say a one year deal with a guy like Sheets would be sufficient.

        • Ed says:

          Hughes + Joba in ‘10 are most likely going to be much, much better than Hughes + Kennedy in ‘08.

          I agree with you on that, but, tommie’s idea was Joba + Hughes + open audition. That’s 3 guys with growing pains and innings limit issues instead of just 2.

          • I agree with you on that, but, tommie’s idea was Joba + Hughes + open audition. That’s 3 guys with growing pains and innings limit issues instead of just 2.

            No, that wasn’t my plan. I wrote several other dozens of words. Please don’t attack a watered down strawman version of my argument.

            • Ed says:

              Yes, you wrote a lot more words. You suggested a lot of ways to build depth by acquiring pitchers from a list of guys that are either have injury or performance concerns.

              Does it make you happier if I change my words to “That’s 3 guys with growing pains, innings limits, injury concerns, or bad track records instead of just 2.” ?

              My complaint with your plan is that the rotation would only have 2 established, reliable pitchers in it. And that’s assuming Burnett is over his injury issues. The names in the last 3 spots aren’t the issue.

              • The names in the last three spots are the issue if you make it seem like I only have three potential names to fill them and not 7-10 names like I suggested. My plan is:
                1) CC
                2) AJ
                3) Joba
                4) Hughes
                5) Duchsherer/Hudson/Sheets/Escobar/Schmidt
                6) Snell
                7) Kennedy
                8) Mitre
                9) Nova
                10) McAllister
                11) Wang

                Do all nine of those last 11 pitchers have question marks in one way or another? Yeah, probably. Are the odds good that at least four or five of those nine will pitch effectively? Yes, they are.

                Safety in numbers.

                • Ed says:

                  The names in the last three spots are the issue if you make it seem like I only have three potential names to fill them and not 7-10 names like I suggested.

                  That wasn’t in any way what I was trying to say.

                  Are the odds good that at least four or five of those nine will pitch effectively? Yes, they are.

                  I’ve learned to disagree with that. Look at this season – Wang failed spectacularly, Hughes and Aceves (who may have injury issues) got moved to the pen and aren’t being considered for the rotation, Kennedy got hurt. Kontos (who was probably pretty far down the list) is out with Tommy John surgery. That’s already 5 guys off the depth chart. Joba’s going to hit his innings limit soon, moving us another spot down the list.

                  And all that is with starting the season with only Joba being considered questionable. Maybe Wang too if you were pessimistic.

    • A.D. says:

      Other option is to hit the panic button and trade for Lee. Then you have CC, AJ, Joba, Lee, whomever is left after the Lee trade.

      Not saying I support the idea, but its an option.

    • Chris says:

      You know who woul d make a great cheap pickup as a rehab candidate? Sergio Mitre.

  11. zzzz says:

    i can’t help but think what a 2007 wang would have been like in this rotation right now. its all i’ve been thinking about, and now theres a possibility we’ll never see wang like that ever again. how unfortunate.

  12. Rich James says:

    i don’t think you can expect anything from Wang next year…me may return next season but he can not be in the yankees plans

  13. Ed says:

    According to this, Posada’s injury was the labrum. His rotator cuff was fine.

    Not sure what the difference is in odds of recovery, but, it’s a different injury.

    • Accent Shallow says:

      I’m under the impression that a labrum injury is even worse than a rotator cuff injury for a pitcher.

      Regardless, this is awful.

  14. RollingWave says:

    Uggggggggggggggggggggggggggggh.

    Thanks for holding down the fort in the Yankees darkest days of prospects. good luck and hope for a full recovery.

  15. Steve H says:

    It’s never good when they have to cut into a Wang.

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  17. Reggie C. says:

    I wonder if Cash could contemplate the following:

    Trading for Jarrod Washburn and Brandon Morrow fits both the need of a starter and ‘pen guy in 2009. Going forward Washburn should be allowed to walk. Morrow could either then remain in the ‘pen as the eventual successor to Mariano and ably serve as the “8th inning” go-to-man, or be made a starter from Spring Training.

    The rotation in 2010 could therefore look like: CC, Aj, Morrow, Joba, and Hughes.
    - If the Yanks decide to utilize Morrow’s arm as a reliever, the rotation goes 1 man short and the option of signing Washburn remains. I think whoever gets the #3 spot next season has to be a veteran … and that makes me lean towards keeping Morrow in the ‘pen.

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  21. King of Fruitless Hypotheticals says:

    Dammit you guys have broken me…first thing I thought was OFF TOPIC…

    Ax when are you just going to delete off topics?

    Anyway, I was thinking of taking some flowers or candles down there tomorrow–any special requests?

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