More praise for Phil Hughes


Dave Allen at FanGraphs is the latest to pen a piece complimentary of Phil Hughes, who has emerged as a bullpen force for the best team in the land. Allen explains how the move to pen has allowed Hughes’ stuff to play, which is exactly what you’d expect to happen. After dealing with this for the last two years, it looks like we might end up having another starter-or-reliever debate on our hands next year. Thankfully, this is not debate to the guys calling the shots.

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  1. sabes says:

    I’d imagagine so would Ian Kennedy (when healthy,) MCallister, heck even Alan Horne if they were removed from the rotation and put into the pen to only get 3 outs. I really hope this conversation doesn’t linger like with Chamberlain but at lest were treading familiar waters.

    • JMK says:

      Eh, Hughes’ stuff is much, much better than the three you listed. Sure, they’d all be better under such circumstances, but to think they’d come near replicating Hughes’ performance in the pen is very presumptive. Those guys rely more on control than stuff (at least IPK and Z-Mac). Clearly, though, Hughes belongs in the starting rotation.

  2. Tom Zig says:

    it looks like we might end up having another starter-or-reliever debate on our hands next year.

    Thankfully we already coined a term for those people.

  3. jsbrendog says:

    i dont know if i can go through another b-jobber-esque debate. when it all boils down I might have to (however hard) stay away (probably making some posters quite happy :-P)

    • I’m looking at this possible B-Hughes argument in a similar fashion to an Allied soldier in Europe on May 9th, 1945: if I have to go fight in Japan, I’ll do it, but I’d prefer not to. Obviously, this situation is way less dire and won’t require any more atomic bombs but you get the idea.

      /I’m watching Band of Brothers

  4. Camilo Gerardo - your inception? fuck perception, go with what makes sense says:

    stretch him out at the facility before winter ball (and b4 ST)???

    • Chris says:

      There is really no point in having him pitch in fall or winter ball. He won’t get enough innings to increase his innings cap for next year, so why bother increasing his risk of injury?

  5. Grandma Karkan says:

    Hughes=the new Joba. smh

  6. Little Bill says:

    There is no argument. Hughes is a starter and even Mike Francesca knows it. Next year Joba and Hughes will be in the rotation and they will stay there for a very long time.

    • Drew says:

      I’d like to believe you (the part about francesa), but I don’t. Next year, when Philly goes through natural growing pains and the pen isn’t lock down straight out of the gate, Mikey F will raise hell saying Hughes should be in the pen. “He was untouchable in the pen. He was a phenom.” Joba part deux all over again…

      • Chris says:

        Whether Francesca believes that Hughes should be a starter or not is pretty irrelevant. He’s going to argue that he should be in the pen because it get’s people riled up and gets listeners to his show.

        • gio says:

          Thank you for pointing that out. The fact that everyone on this site blasts him for saying it just goes to prove that irrespective of his actualy beliefs, he’s doing his job.

  7. Joba or Hughes to the pen says:

    Hughes ain’t gonna be better.He throws 95-96mph as a reliever but as a starter he throws 92-93.He ain’t gonna be better.I mean as a reliever he needs 40 pitches nearly a inning thats why you don’t see him two days in a row.

    Hughes like Joba is gonna be solid as a starter but he ain’t gonna be better.I rather have Joba in the pen then a starter.Hughes is good but like Joba he hasn’t lived up to the hype.And isn’t a phenom anymore.

  8. Macphisto says:

    Sure am happy today that the Yanks have Phil Hughes, CC Sabathia, Nick Swisher, and Melky instead of Santana.

  9. Lanny says:

    Would it really be so bad if Hughes became a lights out late inning reliever? But you have seen the MO of the front office. They’ll segue him into the rotation. The stints in the pen have done wonders for him and Joba.

    • gio says:

      Yes, yes it would, because then he’s not a lights out starter.

    • Would it really be so bad if Hughes became a lights out late inning reliever?

      No, but it would be a massive waste of resources, because he can become a lights-out starter and those are way more important, way harder to find, and way more expensive to buy.

      But you have seen the MO of the front office.

      I have seen it. It’s pretty damn smart, as evidenced by the fact that we’re currently the best team in the league and we’ve been annual World Series contenders for almost two full decades now.

      I’m not sure where you’re going with this.

      They’ll segue him into the rotation.

      As they should, and as every other organization in the history of baseball would do.

      The stints in the pen have done wonders for him and Joba.

      Yes, they have. Again, not sure where you’re going with this.

  10. Joba or Hughes to the pen says:

    People need to understand this ain’t the 60′s.Your rotation doesn’t need to be dominate.Your bullpen does.The Phillies proved that with a 4 era ace in Hamels and a 50 year old Moyer but a locked down pen with Madison and lidge.

    WE have a ace(CC) a number 2 guy(AJ) and a solid middle guy in Joba.Anybody can pitch as #4 and #5 guys.Who cares about Jeter and Jorge there replaceable Mariano isn’t.And he is 39 coming off surgery and is here for one more year.

    But who care’s to the people here anybody can be Mariano.

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