Aug
01

Yanks drop an ugly one to ChiSox

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In a few ways, the Yankees and White Sox played similar games last night. Both had starters who pitched poorly. Both racked up a ton of hits, including two doubles and a homer each. Both drew five walks. Yet one number separated them: hitting with runners in scoring position, and especially with two outs. The Yankees were just 2 for 10 with runners in scoring position, and the White Sox were 6 for 13. The Sox also drove in four runs with two outs, while the Yankees drove in none. Those were the differences in the 10-5 loss.

Last night we saw the worst of Sergio Mitre. It was bound to happen. We know Mitre isn’t a world beater. Clunkers are expected from time to time. To borrow a term, he’s Ponsnerian. Thankfully this year it’s only one rotation spot. It still stings, though, especially on nights like this. Despite the 2 for 10 with RISP mark, the Yanks did put up five runs. You’d like to see them win those games.

Thing started off so well, too. The Yanks put up three runs for Mitre in the first, taking advantage of fill-in starter D.J. Carrasco. Mitre then proceeded to record the first two outs of the first seemingly with ease. The wheels then came off, and it was a shaky ride the rest of the way. Mitre limited the damage to just one in the first, though he left the bases loaded. He wouldn’t be so lucky in the second.

The inning started off with a walk, never a good sign for a pitcher like Mitre. After another play in which the Yankees pitcher slipped on the infield grass, the White Sox had the bases loaded with none out. That netted them three runs, a sac fly and a two-run single. The Sox capped their scoring off Mitre on a Carlos Quentin homer to lead off the third. Mitre did induce three straight ground outs to follow, but even that was not enough to salvage his night. Joe Girardi had seen enough.

David Robertson, Alfredo Aceves, and Mark Melancon all pitched in relief and faced varying degrees of highs and lows. Robertson pitched a quick scoreless fourth, but got into trouble by allowing the first three batters of the fifth reach, the last on an RBI double. He figured it out, though, getting the next three in order. Aceves pitched a 1-2-3 sixth, but like Robertson got into trouble in his second inning of work. Both walked the leadoff batter.

Mark Melancon didn’t experience those lows. He came in and got Gordon Beckham to finish off the seventh for Aceves, and then handily finished off the Sox in the eighth. Prior to Tuesday night, Melancon hadn’t pitched since July 10. In his two recent appearances he’s pitched 3.2 innings and has allowed just two hits. They haven’t been particularly high-leverage situations, but considering his potential perhaps it’s time to start moving him up in the pecking order. It’s worth a try, at least.

On the offensive side, the only runs the Yanks scored after the first came on an Eric Hinske two-run homer, his fourth as a Yankee. The whole offense didn’t do poorly — they did rack up 12 hits, after all, and had at least one baserunner in all nine innings. It all comes back to their hitting with runners in scoring position. And the pitching. It always comes down to those two.

The Yanks will send their best two at the Sox in an attempt to salvage a split. A.J. Burnett vs. John Danks. Both have been pitching well lately, and we should get a bit better matchup than we did last night.

Categories : Game Stories
  • Pastafarian

    Why have we lost every game Eric Hinske has played in, he’s a curse I tell you!!!

    • Dela G

      they have won 3 games he’s played in

      • Pastafarian

        I know I’m just kidding but it always feels like we loss when he does something big though, i.e. his debut game, the Anaheim game and tonight.

        • Dela G

          :)

  • Dela G

    we will win tomorrow

    • e mills

      and the remaining 60 or so games!

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    To borrow a term, he’s Ponsnerian.

    I give because I love.

  • yankeegirl49

    Stop the spending and win or lose with class, Yankees hater wins.

  • V

    Man, nice Phillies debut for Cliff Lee. 9 IP, 1 ER. He had a single and double.

    • V

      Bah, my bad for the off topic – forgot this wasn’t a game thread.

  • jim p

    Anyone know the RISP numbers since the All Star Break? It seems to me that it’s been pretty poor, though we managed enough runs to win a lot. (Thanks Pitchers.)

  • Salty Buggah

    It’s OK, we’ll have stretches like this over a season. I just hope AJ acts as a stopper tomorrow and helps start a new streak for us.

    • Mr. Sparkle

      It’s only OK when it’s not consistently against teams in contention. Throw out the Twins and the latest series against Tampa, where if not for an amazing start by Joba, they drop 2 of 3, and this team doesn’t look like they can beat any potential post-season opponents…especially on the road.

      Yes, I know the sweep of the Tigers, but they barely squeaked by in those games. The bottom line is the offense isn’t getting it done in bellweather games against potential playoff teams.

      • Salty Buggah

        Yet we still have the best record in the AL. The BoSox aren’t so good either against those teams, if you don’t count the games against us. Also, they aren’t so good on the road either (worse than us). We’ve struggled against some good teams but we were unlucky and everything happened at an inopportune time.

      • Chris

        So basically, if you don’t count any of the games the Yankees win against contenders then their record sucks?

        The Yankees are 26-23 against teams in the AL that currently have winning record. That includes the 0-8 against the Red Sox.

        • Salty Buggah

          You know the Sox record including games against us? I think that is going to be worse

      • Riddering

        …where if not for an amazing start by Joba, they drop 2 of 3…

        That’s the most hilarious thing I have read in a while. Joba’s amazing start =/= dropped pop-up. When a team’s pitcher delivers a gem, the team (gasp!) deserves the win.

  • acb

    pretty sure there hitting below 230 with risp for the season so yeah

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      If by “hitting below 230″ you mean .262, then yeah, they’re hitting below 230 with RISP.

  • stuart

    i was informed the yanks are 15th in baseball with a 262 or so BA with RISP…

    there BA with RISP has been a season long issue. hard to complain about the best offense in the game but 2nd or 3rd avg overall but 15th with RISP why????

    • Frank

      Actually, their poor hiiting with RISP and less than 2 outs has been a problem for several years.

    • Salty Buggah

      Yep, .262 AVG and 15th in the Major. Hopefully that starts correcting itself down the stretch as now we’ll really need those clutch hits in the pennant race.

      Oddly the Orioles are 2nd and the Mets are 3rd with RISP.

      • Salty Buggah

        The Angels are 1st BTW and Boston is 4th.

        • King of Fruitless Hypotheticals

          HaHa Mets: SSS :)

  • Frank

    Nice summary of the game although you really downplayed Aceves’ ineffectiveness. His location was awful; that’s now 2 bad appearances in a row for him. Hopefully, he’s not hurt and is just going through a slump because if he and Bruney are both ineffective, coupled with no 5th starter to speak of, this team is in trouble.

    • Mr. Sparkle

      Especially if Hughes is forced back into the rotation because Mitre has to go and they couldn’t make a deal for another arm. Oh, wait, I forgot they still have Kei Igawa as a fallback.

      • Salty Buggah

        We still have all of August to get a starter like Duke. Cashman made a good decision for not overpaying for a arm, especially one like Washburn who would struggle with the Yanks as his tRA is 5.00 and tRA* is 5.34.

      • Frank

        That’s just scary.

      • Charlie

        stop with the kei igawa shit, whether you’re serious or not. he’s not even close to an option. the yanks would go to hughes, aceves once he gets back on track, romulo sanchez, or even nova before they even thought about igawa.

        • scared fan

          Igawa is pitching better than Sanchez and Nova! LOL!

    • Chris

      He was (maybe still is) hurt. I think the injury coupled with the fact that last night was only his second appearance in 10 days can explain his ineffectiveness.

  • Charlie

    “clunkers are expected from time to time” and then “to borrow a term, he’s ponsnerian”. I’m a little confused. are you saying this is a bump in the road for mitre or that he’s as bad as sidney ponson? I’d definitely go with the latter, hopefully mitre will be booted out of the rotation soon.

    • Salty Buggah

      He’s saying that Mitre will be servicable but will also struggle a lot from time to time like how Ponson/Rasner did. I also hope that he has to leave the rotation when we hopefully can get Duke. I don’t know how long that may be or if that even happens so I will hope he isn’t pulled our of the rotation by then. That would mean he sucked so bad, like 11 ER in 1 inning bad, that he had to be taken out of the rotation and the Yanks had to throw other shit at the wall. I hope he settles down and gives us a quality start next time.

      • xkevin1x

        Why would Duke get through waivers? He is not owed a large chunk of money, he would get claimed before he gets to the Yankees.

        • trueblue

          exactly… We are going to be picking through the garbage bin that includes Arroyo, Meche, Garland,Doug Davis, etc… This is why you don’t wait.

  • Tank the Frank

    It was bound to happen. We know Mitre isn’t a world beater. Clunkers are expected from time to time.

    From time to time? Which one of his starts hasn’t been a clunker? Hitters are now hitting .400 against him, he has a WHIP of 2, and he doesn’t strike anyone out so he can’t miss bats either.

    No one cared before because the Yankees won his first two starts. But I sure hope the Yankees have a better plan to get another starter into this rotation. Their best option happens to be sitting out in the bullpen staring them in the face.

    • Charlie

      agreed

      • Charlie

        we can’t expect anything better from mitre. he just sucks. he hasn’t even had any good starts in reality, this one just really exposed how bad he is. i wouldn’t even call it a clunker, cause this is what the yankees signed up for when they chose him in the rotation over hughes

        • http://soxandpinstripes.com Angelo

          Do you really want Hughes in the rotation right now? With Aceves’s recent pitching slump ( i hope thats what it is) and Bruney still not effective, removing Hughes from the bullpen would be an awful move. Long term, Hughes will start but not this year. The Yankees still have a decent starting rotation, but Mitre has to go sooner or later. Hopefully the Yankees can acquire another starter like Duke.

          • Tony

            “Do you really want Hughes in the rotation right now?”

            YES

  • Salty Buggah

    For all of those fans on the ledge (that are still alive): Even after the last two losses, Yankees are on pace for 97 wins.

    • RollingWave

      BUT TAHT DOSN’T COUNT TEH 0-10 RECORD AGAINST BOSTON GOING FOWARDDDDDDDDD!!!>!L@L#I@

      (jump)

  • Tony
  • panic button

    MIKE MUSISNA IS CASHMAN’S SURPRISE ACQUISITION! WELCOME BACK MOOOOOOOOOOOOSE!!!!

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      Yeah, well except for the fact that Moose said at the Old Timers game that it’s not happening.

      But hey, never let facts get in the way of your fantasy.

  • JeffG

    I really can’t get over how bad of a move it was not to pick up a better starter than Mitre. This guy is not only going to limit our chances every fifth day but he’s going to murder the bullpen as well. This is ugly. He’s going to drag down the team.

    Maybe Cash was lax because Mitre hadn’t lost yet. Or perhaps Cash is tied because Hal & co don’t want to spend any more money. But Mitre was lucky to win those two starts. I don’t think we want him facing good opponents. I just can’t believe it. We have a 200 million dollar team and won’t spend anything to fix a broken part. Its like having a Ferrari and not putting oil in the engine.

    Make jokes about the ledge, but I have a bad feeling about where we are going now if nothing changes. I don’t think I’m being reactionary to one bad start either. This is a huge weakness that I thought was gong to be fixed at the trade deadline… now I see it snowballing.

    • Pasqua

      I would agree with you. I’m not one of those “get ‘em all” type fans, either. I generally trust the philosophy espoused by Cashman, but I think he missed something here. I truly believe (and have written here before) that the waiver wire magic that everyone expects will not materialize. If anything, you will acquire an overpaid underperformer, instead of just an underperformer. Cash needed to make a move before the deadline and didn’t. In my opinion, it was a mistake.

      • scared fan

        If the rumor is true that cashman can’t acquire anymore payroll then he’s not getting anything on the waiver wire.

        But don’t worry, according to the voice in my head Cash is going to sign MIKE MUSSINA! YAHOOOOOOOO!

  • Jake H

    It was a bad game. I didn’t like how Joe used Ace last night. I say this because he had a shoulder problem and I think they should have only had him throw 1 inning.

    • JeffG

      Agree. Why push his arm if he is working through shoulder problems? Answer: the pen was short and we didn’t factor in Mitre leaving as early as he did. That is something they should have done.

      Shelly Duncan instead of another pitcher – mistake. Going forward the team needs to realize that on Mitre. We saw what happened with Wang getting blasted early in the season. Mitre is a weak Wang. Plan ahead.

  • JobaWockeeZ

    LOL at the people jumping off a cliff!

    • scared fan

      c’mon you know you want to ;)

  • Pete c.

    If Cashman didn’t get a starter because Halenstein didn’t want to pick up the remaining $600,000 on someones contract, no matter how mediocre. What makes you think they get anyone expensive who’ll get through waivers. That is if I understand the process correctly.
    The thing is, last nights problem of not picking up risp wasn’t the teams biggest problem, I think, simply stated, the team has no 5th starter, with Andy Pettitte as Dr. Jeckyl and Mr. Hyde for #4; I’ve read some here state good away, bad home. Bringing it back to the trade deadline Cashman screwed up by not picking somebody competant up, now everyone gets to wait on pins and needles to see if Sergio Mitre can try to be “servicable” every 5 days.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      That is if I understand the process correctly.

      Which may not be the case. How do you (or any of us, for that matter) know what KC was asking for Bannister?

      Generally, if it’s a salary dump, the acquiring team gives up very little in terms of prospects, but picks up the entire salary.

      What if KC was asking for a decent prospect AND wanted Cashman to pick up the entire salary?

      Despite what one would think by reading these comments, Cashman knows more about what’s good for the Yankees and how to run the organization than all the commenters put together.

      • Pete c.

        The way I read the story yesterday Hal Steinbrenner wanted KC to pick up the salary. Maybe I mis- interperated the story. But if I didn’t, you didn’t read mine very carefully.

  • Big Mike

    so, mitre is the second coming of kei igawa and joba will not make it through the season because of an innings limit.

    is cashman blind? how on earth can he not acquire AT LEAST one starter, preferably two. i would have settled for arroyo over mitre.

    i hope he is trying to work some magic because this could get very ugly.

    going to be tough to make the playoffs when in september the rotation will be cc, aj and pettitte.

    • scared fan

      assuming none of those guys get injured…

      aj – history of injuries
      pettitte – already having back issues this year

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      is cashman blind?

      Worse. He was an unemployed sanitation worker, but Hal felt sorry for him and gave him a job.

      i would have settled for arroyo over mitre.

      Which is exactly why you’re not the GM.

      As discussed in last nights game thread, Arroyo has $17 mil left on his contract. Add in the luxury tax and it’s over $23 mil. Mitre has about $600k left on his.

      While Arroyo is MARGINALLY better than Mitre, only and idiot would take him under the monetary circumstances.

      • scared fan

        Arroyo is a lot better than mitre. his contract however is ugly.

      • Tony

        You have a poor understanding of the word marginal.

  • Tony

    I’m not even approaching panic mode. I just know that Sergio Mitre has no business starting games.

  • scared fan

    THIS OPENS THE DOOR FOR MIKE MUSSINA TO COME BACK! WELCOME BACK MOOSE!

  • Russell NY

    At this point I would take Kei Igawa over Mitre.

  • dc1874

    Mitres next start should be at the old Yankee stadium..pitching against the crane operators during there lunch break..

  • Reggie C.

    Cashman now has the challenge of finding a pitching upgrade over Mitre via the waiver wire. A move acquiring Duchsherer or even Tim Hudson could’ve given this team options down the stretch. Hopefully, somebody half way decent hits the wire.

  • bonestock94

    It seems like the Yankees are trying to suck with RISP like they did the past few years, and it usually happens whenever they lose. I don’t get it, this team is way too good to be middle of the pack in that respect. I blame Cano lol.

  • scared fan

    Billiona of dollars wasted on this, spend the money on the infra structure and new schools. Stop buying pennants, build a farm system,

  • Little Bill

    I don’t think the 5th starter is worth going into great panic. I do think if they’re going to move Joba to the bullpen next month that they’ll need to move Hughes to the rotation. Once Wang went down in early July, I led the charge to begin stretching out Hughes so that he can return to the rotation. If they’re going to move Joba to the pen, they need to move Hughes back to the rotation immediately.