Sabathia to start Game Four

NLCS Game Three: Dodgers @ Phillies
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Via Marc Carig, the Yanks have announced that CC Sabathia will start Game Four on three day’s rest. It would be the first time in pinstripes that Sabathia has started on short rest, but as you surely know he did it several times down the stretch last year for Milwaukee. Even if you discount his dominant Game One start, this is absolutely the right move. The Yanks have been taking it easy on CC all year for this very reason, and having the big guy start three games in a seven game series is a considerable advantage.

NLCS Game Three: Dodgers @ Phillies
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  • dkidd

    no mercy!

  • Evil Empire

    I’m shocked.

  • Handtius

    Done. It’s Done.

  • The Artist

    There isn’t going to be a Game 4. We will deliver such a beating to Weaver tomorrow, that Scioscia will forfeit in order to save face.

    • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Team hara-kiri.

  • Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    What’s done is done and cannot be undone. Or something like that.

    • Evil Empire

      It is accomplished.

  • Pablo Zevallos

    I would’ve preferred that Girardi take him out before he got to 117 pitches, as Ben said a few days ago, but 3-0 >>>> 2-1

    • The Artist

      Yeah, I kicked that around as well. But that’s really getting a little too cute. CC was rolling, he’s pitched well on short rest when he hasn’t had to do it too often, it would have been a bit of managing overkill. I wanted to let Joba/Hughes get a little work, but it wasn’t important enough to mess with CC’s groove.

      Jim Kaat used to say Baseball is a game of ‘first(s)’. Get that first strike, get that first out, etc etc. Girardi wanted to get that first ALCS win without messing around with it.

      • dkidd

        known quantity: cc is dealing
        unknown quantity: phil hughes

        i’ll take the known quantity every time

  • Matt ACTY/BBD

    Throats: they will be stepped on.

  • Mike Pop

    Not surprised.

  • mustang

    Go for the Kill

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  • scooter

    Devil’s advocate: when Andy wins tomorrow, does the thinking change at all?

    • Mike Pop


    • mustang

      My 2004 scar just itched.

      Hell no

    • Kiko Jones

      I would’ve liked to see CC in Game 4 IF the Yankees were to lose Game 3. But hey, if CC in Game 4 means a sweep is on the horizon, so be it.

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  • BBFan

    Probably we will sweep and celebrate after that game :)

  • Jake

    “War, once declared, must be waged offensively, aggressively. The

    enemy must not be fended off; but smitten down. You may then spare

    him every exaction, relinquish every gain, but ‘til then he must be

    struck incessantly and remorselessly.”

    Alfred Thayer Mahan

    • Accent Shallow

      Does our pitching staff count as a fleet in being?

  • ashish

    Don’t you think you guys are getting a bit ahead of your selves with this whole talk about the sweep? I mean, Andy is clutch but Jered Weaver is a VERY good pitcher in his own right. And the Yankees offense has been dreadful. Now isn’t the time to get cocky.

    • Handtius

      Positive Posse in the House! We stay true.

      • Drew

        Fo sho

    • Salty Buggah

      No one’s being cocky. We OWN Weaver. He has a career ERA of 5.88 and an ERA of 5.59 in 2009. A-rod OWNs Weaver.

      .333/.474/1.133/1.607 in 19 PAs with 4 HRs. That’s insanely insane.

      1.333 SLG?!?!?!

      • Salty Buggah

        That’s should be 1.133 SLG in the end but that’s still crazy. Also, those are his ERAs against the Yankees.

    • andrew

      I’m not cocky, I’m confident, so when you tell me I’m the best, it’s a compliment

      /Ja Rule

      • tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        /Ja Rule /Jadakiss

    • Chris

      The Yankees offense has not been dreadful. It has been worse than in the regular season, but they’re still the second highest scoring team in the post season:

      PHI: 4.83 RPG
      NYY: 4.6 RPG
      LAD: 4.2 RPG
      LAA: 4 RPG
      COL: 3.75 RPG
      BOS: 2.3 RPG
      MIN: 2 RPG
      STL: 2 RPG

      The other interesting thing is that the Yankees have scored 4 or more runs in every game this post season, and allowed 3 or less runs in every game.

      • Salty Buggah

        Those 4 lowest scoring teams are out of the playoffs. Who said pitching wins championships?!?!


        • Kiko Jones

          Hmm…but if pitching truly wins championships wouldn’t the Braves have had more rings in the ’90s than the Yankees did?

          • dudes

            who said the yankees didn’t have pitching?

            • Kiko Jones

              They did. But Maddux-Smoltz-Glavine were the cream of the crop and they only manged to win in ’95 with them.

    • steve (different one)

      that’s true, b/c what anyone says here will surely affect what happens on the field

      • mustang


    • Drew

      Word. We shouldn’t be confident.

      /wait, what’d?

  • Alex

    I hope if we go up 3-0 he changes it to Gaudin. If we are up that much no need to start him on three days rest.

    • Evil Empire

      No, more like if we have a chance to clinch a World Series berth there is no need to start Chad Gaudin.

    • Accent Shallow

      I tend to agree. If the Angels win tomorrow, we should see CC. If they don’t, I’d be ok with Gaudin pitching.

    • Chris

      No matter who pitches game 4, the final 3 games in the ALCS would be started by AJ, Pettitte, and CC on regular rest (the order would change, though). Since the same pitchers are going to pitch the remaining games, the only thing that matters is which pitcher gives you a better chance to win in Game 4. I like Sabathia on short rest much more than Gaudin.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      I hate managing ;like that. Don’t give the Angels any hope; make no assumptions.

      You end up while you can so hat you don’t need to worry about that one last win.

    • Pasqua

      You close the damn door when you have the chance. It’s not like CC is venturing into uncharted territory. By starting Gaudin you’re saying that, while we’d like to win the series, we don’t feel the need to win it tonight…which is kind of batshit insane.

    • Riddering

      I’d be all for that…if the WS started the next day.

      Girardi will put CC out there the same reason he put Mo in the 8th last night–to have the best chances at winning in the present.

  • ansky

    Terrible idea! Classic overmanaging by Girardi! With the long game last night and the long travel its going to feel more like 2 days rest instead of 3!

    /Joe Magrane’d

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      I heard that comment while eating cereal and shot milk out my nose from laughing so hard.

      • vin

        Yeah, between that discussion and the Joba to bullpen talk… I had to turn the tv off otherwise my blood pressure would’ve shot up so high, I wouldn’t have been able to sleep.

    • steve (different one)

      i don’t even understand how it’s “overmanaging”. is that the new buzzword for “managing”?

      the choice is CC Sabathia or Chad Gaudin.

      it’s not really a choice.

      • Drew

        “Overmanaging” is the opposite of “undermanaging.”

        “Middlemanaging” is a word for suckers.

        Basically, if you’re not overmanaging you’re underachieving.
        The question is, are you above the influence?

        • Mike Axisa

          ::head explodes::

          • mustang


        • mustang

          Is there such a thing as 1/4 managing or 3/4 managing ?

          • Drew

            Yes, obviously.

            I’d explain but they only relate to football and basketball. In fear of veering off topic, I will save this for another day.

            Just remember, if you’re not first you’re last.


            If you’re not overmanaging, you’re underachieving.

            • mustang


    • Larryf

      Did CC fly out to LA before the rest of the team?

      • vin

        No, I’m pretty sure I saw him in the dugout. The real question would’ve been “did Andy fly out ahead of the team?” And the answer to that is also “no.”

  • Jake H

    You go for the throat

  • Evil Empire

    Game 1 of the World Series is scheduled to be on 10/28, so its not like CC wouldn’t be more than rested for game 1 of the World Series unless the ALCS makes it to a seemingly unlikely game 7.

    • steve (different one)

      in which case, you’d be throwing your #3 starter in a game 7 instead of your #1 starter b/c you didn’t want to use CC on short rest in game 4.

  • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

    We’re going Angel hunting, bitches. And we’re not fooling around.

    Bring. It. On.

  • Drew

    CC won’t make 3 starts this series.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Win in four, you say?

      • Drew


        Some how, Alex Rodriguez is even better in LAOCthehillsA Stadium. The Angels aren’t ready for what is coming.

        • Evil Empire

          Seriously. A-Rod is in the zone. He will crush everything in sight when he’s in Los Angeles. He’ll be launching multiple bombs into that wanna-be agrocrag.

          • whozat

            Wow, Nickelodeon GUTS reference. Hardcore. Did that show come back or something? I remember it from when I was in HS back in the late 90s.

            • Evil Empire

              Dude that show was the bomb back in the day. I used to watch that it all the time when I was a kid. It was almost as good as Legend of the Hidden Temple.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Seriously, I find it impossible to criticize A-Rod. You no longer can say he’s not clutch. I know the playoffs aren’t over, but those were two fthe most dramtic HR’s I’ve witnessed (I’ll just leave out the 01′ bombs since those were so high on the drama scale they broke it; it’s really unfair to compare).

          • Evil Empire

            Yeah A-Rod is superhuman, this roll is reminiscent of April 2007. I keep saying the guy is due for a big post season and we’re finally cashing in on that notion.

  • Mike bk

    the reason this is not a problem even if up 3-0 is the extra off day after game 4 which means everyone else would be on regular rest so there is no harm in going for the kill with CC if everyone else is on normal and CC wouldnt have to come back short again. depending on the schedule in the series that all might change.

  • Mike HC

    I also think it is a smart move and I think CC can easily handle it, but I wouldn’t say that the Yanks have been “taking it easy on CC all year.” 230 regular season innings is plenty.

    • vin

      Maybe, but he never started on short rest, and he even went on 5 days rest down the stretch when they had all those Thursdays off. Cliff Lee threw 230+ innings. I’d be more worried about a guy like that, than the big-bodied CC.

    • pete

      I agree it’s plenty, but it’s not overboard. He didn’t pitch on short rest once, and got extra rest a bunch of times. I’m personally in the camp that thinks that recovery time is more important than total innings, which were high for CC because he pitches deep into games

    • Drew

      We gave him extra days off throughout the final month.

      What would you consider “taking it easy” on him? Seriously, what would you do if you were Cash/Joe?

      Would you take him out after 90 pitches? Would you pull him after 5 innings? Would you shut him down for a month?

      I’m just trying to figure out what it would take for you to consider that the Yanks “took it easy” on CC, our horse.

      • Mike HC

        I think pitching 230 innings is what an Ace should pitch, and is a great year, especially with the era CC put up with it. I wouldn’t downplay how much of a horse CC was for us this year by saying we took it easy on him.

        Just because the Brewers abused him does not mean the Yanks took it easy. He pitched as many innings as he should pitch every year.

        • Drew

          Right, I don’t disagree with anything you said.

          I’m just asking, what would you consider “taking it easy” on him? I offered several options and also encouraged you to explain your own thoughts.

          • Mike HC

            Taking it easy on CC would be if he pitched about 210 innings or less.

            If I was Cash/Joe, I would not have done anything differently.

            I would not take him out after 90 pitches.

            I would not pull him after 5 innings.

            I would not shut him down for the month.

            I would consider him pitching 210 innings or less taking it easy on him.

            • Drew

              Okay, so he averaged 6.7 (230/34) innings per start. In baseball talk that is 6.2(6 innings and 2 outs).

              “Taking it easy” on CC would have been 6.17 (210/34)innings per start. Rounding down, in baseball talk that would be 6 innings per start.

              Maybe it is me, but that is not a material difference.

              • Handtius

                Math..Pish-posh. I can’t see that with my eyes.

              • Mike HC

                You are right. 230 innings and 210 innings are basically the same. I now realize the Yanks have taken it easy on CC this year.

                • Drew

                  heh I’m not trying to be a dick. Just trying to understand.

                  From my eyes, I don’t see how we could have taken it any more easy on him, ya know?

                • Mike HC

                  We are basically arguing over our definition of what “taking it easy” means. I don’t think the Yanks overworked him or took it easy on him. I think 230 innings is a perfect amount for CC and what an Ace should pitch. He was sixth in all of baseball in innings pitched. The leader only pitched 10 more innings than him. If that is taking it easy, I don’t know what you would consider a “normal” year. And what would over working him be, like 280 innings? If you are sixth in all of baseball in innings pitched, I don’t see how that can be considered taking it easy.

                • Drew

                  Word I got you. You think it’s somewhere in the middle, not “overworked” but we didn’t “take it easy on him.”

                  Hopefully next year we can debate over something this arbitrary again!

      • Evil Empire

        Let CC pitch up to 100 I guess? If we’re beating the shit out of Kazmir like I suspect, than you can pull him after 6 innings regardless of his pitch total and let KRob, Jobber, The Phils, and Mo slam the door.

  • Austin

    my .02 is throw Gaudin if Andy wins tomorrow. The odds of coming back from a 3-0 deficit in a best of 7 series is around 6.25%, but it has only happened about, 0.95%. This means save CC for regular rest or the WS, whichever comes first, because he did in fact start to pitch worse when he was pitching more on short rest. Therefore, you throw Gaudin in game 4 because he beat the Angels during the regular season after all and then throw CC in the world series for 3 starts if needed. One series on short rest would be better for the team and alow him not to falter in the WS.

    • steve (different one)

      i honestly can’t tell if this is satire or not.

      • Evil Empire

        I didn’t bother to read past the first sentence until you commented on it. I can’t tell either.

      • Drew

        My BAC is about .06.

        My desire to read his entire post is about 17.33%.

        The chance of me actually fulfilling such a desire, eh, about 5%.

        • Evil Empire

          The chance of me laughing at this post is 94%

        • Handtius

          I’m down to .05% after reading responses to it. I also made the decision to stop reading after 5 words.

  • JFH

    what do you do when the competition is drowning?

    shove a hose down his throat and turn on the water.

  • Tank the Frank

    Seriously, any concerns about this move can be alleviated by winning on Monday. If we go up 3-0, there’s almost no chance CC pitches 3 times this series. The sooner we win the series, the more everyone is rested. I’m assuming the Yankees will go with the same plan in the World Series, and I’m fine with that, given that we end this ALCS as soon as possible. Then let the Phillies throw Pedro and Joe Blanton at us while we have a rested rotation.

    • steve (different one)


  • Dela G

    good move

    now let’s go to the world series

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