Nov
08
Open Thread: Giants-Chargers
ByIt’s very slow around baseball today, not atypical this soon after the World Series. I figure half of New York will be watching the Giants face the Chargers this afternoon, so use this thread to chat about it.
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I’m still too pumped for #27. I’m going to slowly ease into football tomorrow night when the Broncos play..
Bucs might hang on to beat Green Bay, Kris Brown misses a 42 yard FG to tie it up against the Colts, and KC loses another one.
Already an exciting day in the football world.
Tampa vs. Green Bay was a great game. The Texans loss sucks, but they showed a lot today. And I’m looking forward to next week when the Packers’ o-line will try to stop Ware. Good luck with that.
Man, Giants really miss those starters from the secondary. Kenny Philips = huge loss.
Ugh… they sure do – his ability to hit (bring the fear) and to close on open receivers
I’m liking the time of possession today – need to return to a ball-control smash-mouth approach on O. Still a lot of time left this season – and the D could jell in the last month as guys get healthy
Hey Guys !. i know this is a “football” thread . But what are the chances of the Yankees landing Lackey ?
< 1%
Thanks, Kanye
Agreed. Hes a good, not great pitcher in the thin market. Yankees aren’t going to get locked in an expensive long term contract when the need isn’t there. And that is what it is going to take to get him.
Slim-to-none. He’ll cost too much money and is a break-down risk.
one percent .. really .. what type of pitching do you see the yanks going for .
Andy Pettite.
Maybe one of Harden, Sheets, Duscherer or Bedard. I would like them to do that at least, but I think it looks like they might just stick to Pettite.
Don’t you agree we need someone else after Pettite.? harden and sheets scare me with health. i’m not huge on Dusherer . .But i do like Bedard .
Don’t you agree we need someone else after Pettite.?
No, not someone of great substance. If Pettitte comes back, we already have a full fivesome (CC-AJ-Andy-Joba-Hughes) plus three viable 6th starters (IPK-Gaudin-Mitre). If we add another starting pitcher to that mix, we don’t need a guy like Lackey with his guaranteed ML rotation spot and his large contract demands. We need someone who’s cheaper, shorter, and will accept a bullpen role or a Scranton assignment if/when he’s not needed in the rotation, which is currently full.
harden and sheets scare me with health.
Those fears have merit. I’d only do small deals with them as well. Harden scares me more than Sheets, however – not just in durability terms, but also in upside. Sheets goes deep into games. Harden does not.
i’m not huge on Dusherer.
D-U-C-H-S-C-H-E-R-E-R
But i do like Bedard .
Bedard has bigger injury risks (and lower upside) than Harden and Sheets do. If they scare you, Bedard should terrify you.
i think we’d have a Full threesome . CC AJ and Pettite . because Joba is an unknown and now we have to go threw the innings project again . this time with Hughes . We could use some depth
The fact that we will have innings caps to deal with with Joba and Hughes does not make them “unknowns”.
We know they’re going to be in the starting rotation. We know that we will have to monitor their innings and restrict them in some way, yes, but that secondary knowledge does not change the primary knowledge that we know they will be in the starting rotation.
As they should be.
Therefore, you’re not looking for a quality frontline starter who can give you 33 starts, because you’re already going to get 150-160 starts from your primary fivesome of CC-AJ-Andy-Joba-Hughes (33 each from CC-AJ-Andy, and 25 or so from Joba and Hughes each, with Joba probably good for a full 30). All you need is a fungible Gaudin/Aceves kinda guy who can give you maybe 5-10 starts that are decent, and can pitch out of the pen the rest of the time.
If Andy comes back, there’s no room for Lackey or Bedard or Harden or anyone like that without bumping Joba or Hughes from the rotation for the majority of the season, and we’re not going to do that, nor should we.
Can we just call him Doucherer? It will just be easier.
J-Douche
Chicken Dinner.
BTW, Tommie, Did you go to the parade?
Negative.
I had a thing.
I like Steve Smith – a lot
Could be good to bring this subthread to the open thread and out of the football thread. Assuming Pettitte returns, Yankees could go with one or two under-the-radar types (Lowry, Brett Myers) to add to Gaudin, Ian Kennedy, a fully-healed Mitre, Ivan Nova, and ZMac. As much as he wasn’t dominant at AA, don’t sleep on Bleich
Lowry intrigues me.
Myers… not so much.
No-ahhh Loooaaawww-rryyy.
/Bad Boys’d
With the way Ivan Nova is pitching in the D.R. this winter, I envision him taking Phil Hughes’ spot in the bullpen next year, then sliding Phil into the rotation.
Hey I don’t mean to jump down your throat or anything, but please use the reply button next time. It makes the conversation much easier to follow.
Can anyone provide a list that sorts players according to WAR (2009 or past 3 years)?
http://www.fangraphs.com
I know, I’ve been looking on the site and still can’t get it.
my bad i got it.
http://www.fangraphs.com/leade.....38;month=0
fangraphs.com—–> Leaders—>Major League——->Value
Profit.
I’m watching Game 2 of the ALCS On MLB Network. Much less stress when you know what’s going to happen.
I think the Yanks will stand pat on the pitching and try to win with Joba and Hughes at the back of the rotation. Damon will most definitely be back, and I think we will sign Aroldis Chapman for 5Y/42M. Next year’s free agent class is so much stringer, I think the Yankees will wait until then to start spending again.
*stronger*
Whats the opinion on Marlon Byrd if the JD thing doesn’t work out? Seems like he’d be a cheap / productive option for the outfield
I like Byrd, but he is probably looking for a 3 or 4 year deal, and the Yanks definitely wouldn’t want to do that i don’t think.
damn I wasn’t thinking that long. Yea forget about him.
I real hope JD and Matsui come back on 1 and 1 deals and then sign Crawford next offseason.
What about Juan Pierre? He wouldn’t be the worst option in the world. You could trade for him, sign Damon and keep XN6. Or sign Matsui instead of Damon.
I’m more of a contact-high on Pierre. Not all the way high.
Eh, I honestly think he sucks. He really stepped up when Manny went down, but no way I want him on the Yankees.
Pierre is making 10M in 2010 and 8.5M in 2011.
If the flat-broke Dodgers will kick in 2M each year, than I’ll take Pierre as our 4th outfielder. Bring back both Damon and Hazmat as starters; Pierre replaces Gardner and Nady as the primary backup OF for all three spots, and allows us to rest/DH Damon aggressively.
For absorbing 8M and 6.5M of Pierre’s contract, the Dodgers can have Eric Wordekemper. That’s my final offer.
But, I’d still rather just give Cameron a one year deal.
Anyone see the Bill James projections for next year? I like them
Link it up, holmes.
http://www.i-yankees.com/?p=9092
Crazy optimistic.
Michael Johnson, Olympic superstar, 7th round draft pick, pretty good young safety.
You guys are gonna keel over when you see what Ima post tomorrow
hint?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDrqNQwIdRc (safe)
I can’t wait to see it.
WTF DOCKERYYYYYYY???????
MLB network, Hairston’s about to score on the error.
I think its really funny that whenever I see that (other replays), I’m still really anxious and get really excited even though I now what’s going to happen.
c’mon giants, lets get this win!
BOOOOOM GOES THE DYNAMITE
BEST VIDEO EVER.
horrible descision not to go for a touch down. it may cost us our season
Why are a lot Yanks fans wanting to trade Robbie?
lots of fans feel he’s lazy and will never live up to his potential and they think his trade value is still high
An up-the-middle guy who just hit .320 with 25 HRs that plays decent defense and is still improving overall…how can you trade that? That’s pretty damn rare. And who are they going to play instead of him? Sometimes Yanks fans just bother me
beats me……I’m all for keeping Cano
Yea me too.
Yankee fans also said that they were better off with Cody Ransom instead of ARod.
Point: Don’t pay attention to the idiot fans
Because to them it’s not a beautiful world when everything is going good.
Why are a lot Yanks fans wanting to trade Robbie?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ignorance
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism
::Sad Face::
What does it take to pry Matt Cain away from the Giants? it seems the yanks have been quietly trying for a few years now
A lot. Giants have him signed cheap over the next two years and are under no pressure to move him. They won 88 games last year, so they’re not rebuilding mode either.
Joba, Hughes, Montero and that’s just to start.
What does it take to pry Matt Cain away from the Giants?
Too much. And, we don’t need him at the moment.
it seems the yanks have been quietly trying for a few years now
We’ve been quietly trying to pry every talented young player away from their teams for the past three decades. Don’t read too much into it. We try and ultimately decide not to move on most of these players because the cost is too high and we can get them for free on the free agent market.
Thank You Chargers.
Eagles, do ya thing.
For the love of God, fire Kevin GIlbride. I don’t care how many Coughlin family members he might be in a sexual relationship with.
at least the yanks won the world series
I’m soooooo bored, i can’t wait for the hot stove season to kick off.
what are some of your predictions?
Game 4 of the 2009 World Series is being re-broadcast on MLBN
Wow painful/terrible loss for the Giants, the Knicks are perhaps the biggest joke in sports, and the Rangers are just average right now. Goddamn I miss baseball
…the Knicks are perhaps the biggest joke in sports…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_York_Mets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Jersey_Nets
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cleveland_Browns
Devils!
Knicks and Nets are equally shitty.
Knicks and Nets are equally shitty.
Not remotely. The Knicks are still the Knicks, and the Nets are still the Nets. One team has a legacy. The other team has New Jersey.
Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa Whoa whoa…..whoa…Lois this is not my batman glass.
Anyways the Nets have something besides NJ, something the Knicks most definitely do NOT have, and that is a future. When this terrible season is over, the Nets will have a good lottery pick, a talented young core, and more money to spare than the Knicks, who don’t even have their pick next year.
Being the New York Knicks (and thus, not being the New Jersey Nets) >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> having a lottery pick in a given year
How is being the laughingstock of the NBA better than having a lottery pick? Also I forgot to mention our new crazy russian billionaire, comes in handy when trying to sign people who want to be global icons.
bad play or bad play calling?
I’m going with both. However, the play calling there was especially horrendous
I swore out loud at the gym – that’s how bad it was.
Season ain’t over by a long shot – but we need to put the bye week to good use
Disagree-It’s over. Completely.
Horrible playcalling by Coughlin.
I’m not equating the Giants to the Yankees (because the Giants aren’t nearly as good a football team as the Yankees are a baseball team), but… haven’t we been down this road before?
Just like the Yankees weren’t “done” in July, the Giants aren’t “done” on the first week of November.
That’s what I was going for – you said it a lot better
Losing 4 straight football games > than losing first 8 games against RS.
G-kids are in full free-fall mode. four consecutive losses composes one-fourth of a season … in losses!
Exactly.
Football is a different sport than baseball.
I assume it was Gilbride – again – but I’d expect TC to take the blame if it were him
The secondary has to take a ton of blame there… and even the D line for lack of pressure.
7 games left – at 5-2 the rest of the way, they’re prob in the playoffs. Can they turn it around? Eli looked better, and Boley and Tuck have 2 weeks to heal. Getting Ross back would be nice, too
The G-kids do not deserve to sniff the playoffs. I’m stunned at tonight’s loss. The offense simply cannot put teams away.
Has Tom Coughlin lost this team??
The offense could put teams away if Coughlin gives them a chance! What’s w/the bullshit at the goaline?