Nov
12

Open Thread: Ooh, I scored a touchdown

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If you watch this and don’t laugh, I’ll be disappointed.

It’s been all around the Internet today, but I’ll thank commenter pat for being the first to tip me off. For those who want to read a bit more about the Ellis experience, Snopes has a lengthy look.

While Ellis didn’t play for the Yankees in my lifetime, he did play for them when my dad was my age, so I’ve heard plenty about him and about that era in general. That led me to read up a lot about it. I always thought it was a shame that Dock didn’t win a World Series with the Yanks. They acquired him from the Pirates for the 1976 season, when they lost to the Reds in the World Series. You know who else came over in that trade? Willie Randolph. Then, in the spring of ’77, the Yanks traded Ellis for Mike Torrez, who pitched well in the championship season. Bonus: Torrez became a free agent after the season and signed with Boston. Oops.

That takes care of that, so have at it with the open thread. Bicker, quarrel, and do what you will, but when you do, just remember that your trade proposal sucks.

Categories : Open Thread
  • Andrew

    i think melky, gardner and joba will get us halladay. whos with me? melky has a strong arm and some power, gardner has speed and joba has a nice fb, all things coveted by the blue jays. plus they are Canadian.

    in an unrelated note, i was under the influence of lsd while writing this.

    • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

      And I think there’s no chance in hell the Jays trade one great pitcher for outfielders that are being labeled as bench guys.

      the Yankees won’t get Halladay. If Cashman liked the prospects and the young guys before then he’s keeping them again.

      And of course when I write this I then read…
      in an unrelated note, i was under the influence of lsd while writing this.

    • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

      Melky and Joba does not get Doc. Throwing in a benchplayer doesn’t make the pot sweeter.

      • Mike Pop

        in an unrelated note, i was under the influence of lsd while writing this

        !

        • pat

          Don’t blame Drew it was only written twice before he commented.

          • Mike Pop

            HAH!

            • Andrew

              man i am awesome

    • KDB

      I was thinking those guys would bring us King-Felix instead

      • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

        Melky and Kennedy for Pujols?

        Get it done Cash. Move Damon to center, Pujols to left.

  • Johnnyboy

    Tex and Jeter had a very successful season. They take home a ring, gold glove award, silver slugger award and some MVP considerations. Congrats to those two.

  • RichYF

    Lost in the shuffle of the Matsui post:

    “I remember a few years back when the Sox signed Matsuzaka there being a few articles about merchandise and advertising in MLB. The argument goes, if I remember correctly, that teams share advertising contracts so the “$50 million a year” Dice-K was going to bring in for the Sox didn’t really go to them, but to all of MLB.

    I don’t have a link, so please correct me if I’m wrong, but does anyone have anything concrete on this?

    Also, in terms of Damon vs. Matsui, this is purely conjecture but it seems like Matsui is the guy more likely to “earn” a contract rather than “deserve” one. This seems to be more the (stereotypical) Japanese way, but I do not want to sound like a bigot. My only sticking point is that Matsui seems more honored to be playing for the Yankees than Damon (based on past experience). Damon said he would never play for the Yanks, now he can’t wait to come back, etc. Matsui seems humble and very motivated to play. When he broke his wrist, I remember reading that he apologized to the Yankees.

    He just seems, to me, like someone that would not object to a 1-year deal with team options rather than the sure-fire 2-3 year deal to play elsewhere (like Boras wants for Damon). Just my gut.”

    Thoughts?

    • Marcus

      Regarding teh “$50 mil/year” from Daisuke, if you’re really interested in knowing the answer and all the details, check sonsofsamhorn.net and search the threads for Daisuke. At the time of the signing, I was checking that board out all the time to get updates and they debated those points endlessly, and in general, use good references to back their points up. Long story short, I believe you’ve got it right, that the Red Sox didn’t gain much direct revenue from advertising, merch, etc. after signing him. They may have gotten some additional advertising revenue due to ads at Fenway, but that is marginal at best.

      What I want to know is, what ever happened to the gyroball and why hasn’t it taken MLB by storm???

      • steve (different one)

        you could check SOSH, or you could just save yourself some time and stick a pencil in your eyeballs.

        same general outcome.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

    My dislike of Billy Beane grows with each page I read…

    • http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/8997/052109_coach_rex_ryan_presser_320.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      What are these random Billy Beane comments spread out over different threads? Are you reading Moneyball for the first time?

      • steve (different one)

        moneyball, huh?

        hey, have you heard of this new band the Strokes? they’re going to be bigger than the Beatles!

  • toad

    Torrez became a free agent after the season and signed with Boston. Oops.

    Oops? Torrez delivered the fateful pitch to Bucky Dent in 1978.

    It was all a part of the plan.

  • pat

    Oooh the rarely used “Things I Wish I could Do” tag.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Almost as good as the “Obscure Movie References” tag.

      http://riveraveblues.com/tag/o.....eferences/

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Only used once, and never again.

        Alas, poor Obscure Movies References tag, we hardly knew ye.

  • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

    No Hits and 8 BB’s, that’s some AJ-esque type shit.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Any complaints with the Silver Slugger Awards? I don’t quite know how I feel about Jason Bay getting one.

    • Mike Pop

      Bay had a pretty awesome season though.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        True. I haven’t done any leg work.

        • Mike Pop

          Sigh.

    • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

      Who else would you give it to? I’d say CC probably.

      • Salty Buggah

        What will we do when there are two CC’s on the team after next year?

        • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

          Throw a fuckin parade!

          • JGS

            +28

  • Salty Buggah

    Man, I havent gotten any sleep over the past week and a half. I need to sleep on thought of the Yanks winning #27 so it can sink in but haven’t gotten the chance. Tonight I will. (If only I had this, I literally could http://images.footballfanatics.....LT1_xl.jpg)

    • Salty Buggah

      Damn, that doesn’t work and I can’t find it.

      • Scooter

        Take out that last ) in the link:
        http://images.footballfanatics.....LT1_xl.jpg

        • Salty Buggah

          Oh…

          :feels stupid:

          • Scooter

            On no sleep I’d be walking into walls and falling over.
            I slept 10 hours last night after a week of some long days

            Why no sleep? Papers?

            By the way – that site has decent prices on Yankees stuff.

            • Salty Buggah

              Yea finals are next week and I have a lot of papers to write. Got 6 left to finish by next Friday, 5 for one class that is supposed to be the easy class. I guess I got the worst one because most of my friends are writing their first papers for that class and we have write at least 1 sometimes 2 for every week of the semester.

  • larryf

    Melky and gardner for Doc?

    maybe Doc Ellis…

    I saw him pitch for the yanks in 76 and he was past his prime…

    Doc Medich was the only Real Doc as far as I know. He had a few good years for the Yanks MANY years ago…..

    • vin

      Doc Gooden threw a no-hitter, though.

    • Sweet Dick Willie

      Actually, Doc Medich was traded for Dock Ellis (and Willie Randolph and Ken Brett).

  • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

    Go Heat!

    • Nady Nation

      Why are you a Heat, Skins, Yanks fan?

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Why does Radio Shack ask for your phone number when you buy batteries?

        • Teix is the Man

          Why do you have to tip when you go to a restaurant?

          • Mike Pop

            WHOA!

            Watch your mouth man, you’re crossing the line with that one.

            • Teix is the Man

              HAHAHAHAHHA LMAO

              • Mike Pop

                You always tip!

                Don’t fuck with the people who serve your food.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Working with food suuuuuuuuuuucks. I’ve never been a waiter or anything, but I worked at an ice cream place for a few months. Awful. Awful.

                • Mike Pop

                  Heh. +1

                  I like working with the food itself(prepping, cooking, and all that jazz) but dealing with the people(waiting/busing) just sucks ass as Cartman would say.

                • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                  Definitely. Cooking is great, serving is awful.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
                • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

                  trust me you should probably tip because i always remember the stiffs and they pay for it… one positiveof working with food is it is one of the few jobs that being stoned for is almost a requirement.

      • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

        Skins are my Dad’s fault..

        Yankees for a lot of reasons, but this is my first Championship since I became a hardcore Yanks fan.

        I went to school in Miami the first year that Shaq got traded there. D Wade was my favorite player before that but once I watched him on a daily basis it was hard to resist. I’m also a big Cane’s fan and I was lucky enough to get to a few of their games down in the orange bowl before they demolished it.

  • Scooter

    Congrats (again) to Rebecca – great interview in the Daily News:
    http://www.nydailynews.com/blo.....cca-g.html

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime

      Hey look, I’m famous! =D

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        High five!

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Congrats. You’re a good interviewee. Way better than Sarah Palin.

        • toad

          Is that the best you can say? Damning with faint praise, I’d call it.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Pshaw. Rebecca and I share a deep psychological connection. She knows she gets the super-coveted TSJC Seal of Approval.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Liked the interview Rebecca. Congrats.

  • Mike

    Just realize there’s a football game on. Niners vs Bears on nfl network.

    • Mike Pop

      Bears take this one I think.

    • Jim

      No announcers! Kinda neat

      • Jim

        Annnnd damn. they’re back.

  • VO

    When in a dilemma what better place to go then RAB to solve your problem. My school decided to do cell phone check for the rest of the month, and usually I wouldn’t have a problem with this as I’d just leave it home but I have a trip to the city tomorrow and I need to have it on me. Is there anyway to get it past the metal detectors?

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      You’re not allowed to have phones in school at all?

      • VO

        Nope, stupidest rule ever. They took a kids house keys today because it could be used to activate a bomb. Needless to say they took his phone and the kid had no keys to get in his house nor a phone to call his parents to say he was locked out.

        • JGS

          what in the hell kind of school do you go to?

          • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

            And where?

            • JMK aka The Overshare

              It’s gotta be somewhere in Long Island.

    • pat

      Assaulting the guards is your best option.

    • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

      If you bring lunch you may be able to slip it in between two slices of bread and wrap it in tinfoil.

      • VO

        That’s what I was thinking I just wanna make sure that when it goes through one of those baggage detectors the aluminum foil will trick them into thinking thats what made it go off.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      You could also smuggle it in in your ass. Wait, what?

      • VO

        This is what I found on another message board.

        Go to the dentist. have him refer you to an orthodontist, where you go in and get a checkup. He’ll look at your fugly-ass teeth, and he’ll realize that you need some braces, because you are getting absolutely no fucking tang at all because you’re a snaggletooth motherfucker. So, they’ll give you braces, prolly headgear your teeth are so fucked up. Anyway, they’ll give you braces, and the braces will set off the metal detector from now on, so all you have to do is shove the mp3 player up your ass, and walk through. When the detector goes off, you can say, “It’th thethe brathes that are cauthing thith crathy metal detector to go off, and I thertainly don’t have an mp3 player thoved up my athth. Kthxbai.”

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          Well that’s the best idea I’ve heard all day.

          Heck with it. That’s the best idea I’ve heard EVER.

    • pete

      haha wow. my high school had literally zero security. not one security guard, metal detector, nothing. the one time i can remember a student getting belligerent they called one of the gym teachers and one of the math teachers to the office to make sure nobody got hurt.

  • Evil Empire

    Ellis’ LSD no-no has always been one of my all time favorite baseball stories, and this cartoon did it justice. That was so fucking funny. God dammit I wish I was alive for baseball in the 1970s, that was a fun era.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      Watching the Bronx Zoo, rocking out to The Clash and The Ramones. Yep. That would have been awesome.

      • Rockdog

        You know, I came of age watching the Yankees during this era, and as a young person, it seemed … normal. I remember being totally bummed in 79 — wait, we don’t go to the world series every year?

        And then there were the 80s and early 90s ….

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          The 80′s and early 90′s sucked.

          • Renny Baseball

            Oh boy. The mid ’80s were not as bad because, while never making the post-season (pre-wildcard era), we contended, in some years finishing in 2nd place, and Donnie Baseball was at peak; in fact, for a few years line-up hitters # 1-4 featured, successively, Rickey Henderson, Willie Randolph, Don Mattingly and Dave Winfield (2 1st ballot HoF’ers + Yankee legend Mattingly who won the MVP and in another year a batting title). Righetti was reliable out of the pen (46 saves in 1986) but we were always one starting pitcher short. (I wish the new Yankee stadium would feature pictures from this era as well because even though they were not post-season teams, some of the best players of all-time were on those teams and it also would be a good acknowledgment to fans that stuck with the team when they weren’t winning). Team went sharply downhill starting in ’89 and ’90 and to sub-.500 teams in the early ’90s before the Gene Michael renaissance. I remember going to a game in the early ’90s to a pretty empty stadium and seeing the then-lesser known Mark McGwire hit a monster shot into empty outfield seats.

      • thurdonpaul

        the bronx zoo shit was awesome, billy was hired an fired like a million times :)

  • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

    Yo Mike, any thoughts on Igarashi?

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    In the vein of Dock Ellis, this post on an athlete doing some dumb and illegal shit allows me to tangentially link to an athlete doing so SERIOUSLY dumb and WAY, WAY, WAY MORE illegal shit:

    http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/.....id=4648840

    I know this man personally.

    • GG

      Who woulda thought a guy named Thunder would have a tendency to get a little rowdy

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Thunder Collins Jr., no less.

        Yes, it’s his real name and he’s named after his dad.

  • tophitter

    Report: John Wetteland Taken to Hospital With ‘Mental Issue’

    Former major league closer and current Seattle Mariners bullpen coach John Wetteland was taken to a Texas hospital on
    Thursday with what is being described as a “mental issue,” according to news reports. It seems that police arrived at Wetteland’s
    house shortly after receiving a phone call around 1:30 PM ET about a “possibly suicidal person.”

    http://h30405.www3.hp.com/prin.....P9YTR/news

    • http://www.progressamericana.com/ Pablo Zevallos

      Very, very sad. I hope the man gets all the help he needs.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      One of my most vivid memories about Wetteland was of me and a friend arguing with each other after Wetteland left. My friend kept talking about what a “mistake” it was, and how Mariano “was only good for one season, we have no idea how he’ll do the rest of his career.” I told him I thought Mariano was young and had real potential, so the risk was worth taking. He says he didn’t see anything special about him and that we should’ve gone with the sure thing.

      Of course Mariano has the great 97′ regular season but my friend kept saying, “He needs to close in the playoffs. He hasn’t handled that type of pressure yet.” So when he gave up the HR to Alomar my friend called me to yell over and over, “DIDN’T I TELL YA’? DIDN’T I TELL YA’?” I told him to shut the fuck up and hung up in a bad mood.

      Of course we know what happened, Mariano had an utterly brilliant major league career and every time I see my friend I as him, “So you still think that Rivera kid can handle the pressure?”

      And every time I say that he tells me to shut the fuck up.

      And I smile.

  • http://www.progressamericana.com/ Pablo Zevallos

    Has anyone seen this piece on Bill Simmons? Someone finally puts him back on Planet Earth

    http://tr.im/ERdX

  • donttradecano

    So knicks fans out there, thoughts on Tony Douglas? Kid looks like he can score but can he be a good enough PG?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      T-O-N-E-Y

      • donttradecano

        my bad. anyway, thoughts?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I like him. Solid defender, decent penetration ability, good player. He’s the perfect second unit point guard.

          Fun Fact: his older brother Harry Douglas plays wide receiver for the Atlanta Falcons.

          • donttradecano

            So you dont think hes starter quality? what about as a future 2 guard?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Nah, probably not.

              I mean, absolute best case scenario, he becomes Mo Williams: A tweener combo guard who starts for a team because he can score some and defend some, but who probably shouldn’t really be starting because he’s just not really that good at anything.

      • Camilo Gerardo – your inception? fuck perception, go with what makes sense

        You don’t have to turn everything into a jets change, ts

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    T-Kep and Fiensand on Yankees Hot Stove.

    • Mike Pop

      Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure > Yankees Hot Stove tonight!

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        RUFUS!

        • Mike Pop

          /plays air guitar

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            WYLD STALLYNS!

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        The Spy Who Loved Me on the Universal Channel >>>> Bill and Ted’s Excellent Adventure

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        I’m gonna throw Jaws in. I literally do not know how many times I’ve seen that movie.

        • Mike Pop

          I’m going to throw watching Avatar: The Last Airbender in there.

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD
            • Mike Pop

              I’m a disgrace.

              I’m going to go see that movie when it comes out though. Hell yeah.

              • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

                The Cameron Avatar looks pretty cool. I’ll definitely check that out.

                • Mike Pop

                  Yeah, looks alright. To me, I’d rather see The Last Airbender.

  • http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/8997/052109_coach_rex_ryan_presser_320.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

    The Devils have a 5 point lead on the Rags with 2 games-in-hand.

    Boy, that escalated quickly… I mean, that really got out of hand fast, huh, Axisa?

    Ho-ckey? They show hockey at the very end of Sportscenter! [Insert hackneyed joke here] (Just figured I’d save you guys the effort and get all this awesome fun stuff out of the way up front.)

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      You mean they actually decided to turn that shit from Blades of Steel from the old NES into a real live sport with real live people? That’s some crazy shit.

      Where would I find this, on the Spike channel?

      • http://www.newyorkjets.com/image_assets/8997/052109_coach_rex_ryan_presser_320.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        Unlike the sorry state of basketball in the Big Apple, the NYC areas has two hockey teams with winning records. I love the Knicks, but let’s not act like the non-hockey teams in town are very compelling to watch right now. Hockey’s where it’s at if you want to see teams with skill and winning strategy in NY this time of year.

        (And Blades of Steel was the shit. What was that game you played on the scoreboard during intermissions? Genesis or Nemesis or something like that?)

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          the Knicks

          Who?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Putrid and disgustingly pathetic and horrendously unwatchable basketball >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hockey

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            Wait wait wait….there’s a basketball team in New York City?

            • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

              There’s going to be next year. It’s called LeBron James.

  • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

    Oh cool Yankees Hot Stove is back. RAB should totally take over Pinstriped Bible and be on the show since you guys became affiliated with YES.

  • Steve H

    Jay Cutler sucks. Enough excuses for him, he flat out sucks. He has the physical tools, but that’s it.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      You’re the second Bears fan that’s said that to me today.

      • Steve H

        He’s killing my fantasy team!

  • Tom Zig

    I’m debating buying either an Xbox 360 or a PS3 in the near future. Can’t decide which one I want to get.

    Anyone have any recommendations?

    • Chili Davis

      PS3 has MLB: The Show. Thus, PS3 holds the advantage.

    • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

      We talked about it in the other nights thread.

      http://riveraveblues.com/2009/.....ent-683071

      Basically, if you grew up playing playstation, you’ll love PS3. Though, even if you didn’t play it growing up, it’s hard not to like it. BluRay plus sick gaming, both online and offline are really good on most games and the online is free.

      I don’t play many shooter games, I only play sports, NHL, Live and Fifa. It’s pretty awesome, In my eyes PS3 is the way to go.

  • johnny

    I threw a no hitter on acid once. It happened on the moon against a team of chimps in Batavia Muckdogs uniforms. In my defense, it was one of the better chimp lineups in the NY-PENN.

  • lolcoverboy

    Hey hey, I finally decided to make an account on here after months of lurking lol so please bear with me…

    Since the community here is so awesome, I thought I’d share a few sites that I’ve been frequenting lately.
    The first site is leetboss.com, its an awesome place to get good deals on electronics and watches. shipping’s free too (not quite sure how it works out for them but hey, thats not my problem.) so that’s a plus.

    I also like going to volume rate. Prices aren’t as good as Leetboss (no free shipping, unfortunately), and some of their goods come slightly damaged because of bad packaging, but their selection is nice.

    Anyway, I hope this will solve your last minute holiday shopping headaches! Christmas shopping stresses me out more than midterm papers lol…

    Happy Holidays,
    BenTen

  • http://www.ipad-test-blog.info Adam

    yo wazzup… i just wanted to say that my firefox is freezing when I click on the text… are you using some JavaScript or something?