Open Thread: Ooh, I scored a touchdown


If you watch this and don’t laugh, I’ll be disappointed.

It’s been all around the Internet today, but I’ll thank commenter pat for being the first to tip me off. For those who want to read a bit more about the Ellis experience, Snopes has a lengthy look.

While Ellis didn’t play for the Yankees in my lifetime, he did play for them when my dad was my age, so I’ve heard plenty about him and about that era in general. That led me to read up a lot about it. I always thought it was a shame that Dock didn’t win a World Series with the Yanks. They acquired him from the Pirates for the 1976 season, when they lost to the Reds in the World Series. You know who else came over in that trade? Willie Randolph. Then, in the spring of ’77, the Yanks traded Ellis for Mike Torrez, who pitched well in the championship season. Bonus: Torrez became a free agent after the season and signed with Boston. Oops.

That takes care of that, so have at it with the open thread. Bicker, quarrel, and do what you will, but when you do, just remember that your trade proposal sucks.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. Andrew says:

    i think melky, gardner and joba will get us halladay. whos with me? melky has a strong arm and some power, gardner has speed and joba has a nice fb, all things coveted by the blue jays. plus they are Canadian.

    in an unrelated note, i was under the influence of lsd while writing this.

  2. Johnnyboy says:

    Tex and Jeter had a very successful season. They take home a ring, gold glove award, silver slugger award and some MVP considerations. Congrats to those two.

  3. RichYF says:

    Lost in the shuffle of the Matsui post:

    “I remember a few years back when the Sox signed Matsuzaka there being a few articles about merchandise and advertising in MLB. The argument goes, if I remember correctly, that teams share advertising contracts so the “$50 million a year” Dice-K was going to bring in for the Sox didn’t really go to them, but to all of MLB.

    I don’t have a link, so please correct me if I’m wrong, but does anyone have anything concrete on this?

    Also, in terms of Damon vs. Matsui, this is purely conjecture but it seems like Matsui is the guy more likely to “earn” a contract rather than “deserve” one. This seems to be more the (stereotypical) Japanese way, but I do not want to sound like a bigot. My only sticking point is that Matsui seems more honored to be playing for the Yankees than Damon (based on past experience). Damon said he would never play for the Yanks, now he can’t wait to come back, etc. Matsui seems humble and very motivated to play. When he broke his wrist, I remember reading that he apologized to the Yankees.

    He just seems, to me, like someone that would not object to a 1-year deal with team options rather than the sure-fire 2-3 year deal to play elsewhere (like Boras wants for Damon). Just my gut.”


    • Marcus says:

      Regarding teh “$50 mil/year” from Daisuke, if you’re really interested in knowing the answer and all the details, check and search the threads for Daisuke. At the time of the signing, I was checking that board out all the time to get updates and they debated those points endlessly, and in general, use good references to back their points up. Long story short, I believe you’ve got it right, that the Red Sox didn’t gain much direct revenue from advertising, merch, etc. after signing him. They may have gotten some additional advertising revenue due to ads at Fenway, but that is marginal at best.

      What I want to know is, what ever happened to the gyroball and why hasn’t it taken MLB by storm???

      • steve (different one) says:

        you could check SOSH, or you could just save yourself some time and stick a pencil in your eyeballs.

        same general outcome.

  4. My dislike of Billy Beane grows with each page I read…

  5. toad says:

    Torrez became a free agent after the season and signed with Boston. Oops.

    Oops? Torrez delivered the fateful pitch to Bucky Dent in 1978.

    It was all a part of the plan.

  6. pat says:

    Oooh the rarely used “Things I Wish I could Do” tag.

  7. Drew says:

    No Hits and 8 BB’s, that’s some AJ-esque type shit.

  8. Any complaints with the Silver Slugger Awards? I don’t quite know how I feel about Jason Bay getting one.

  9. Salty Buggah says:

    Man, I havent gotten any sleep over the past week and a half. I need to sleep on thought of the Yanks winning #27 so it can sink in but haven’t gotten the chance. Tonight I will. (If only I had this, I literally could http://images.footballfanatics.....LT1_xl.jpg)

  10. larryf says:

    Melky and gardner for Doc?

    maybe Doc Ellis…

    I saw him pitch for the yanks in 76 and he was past his prime…

    Doc Medich was the only Real Doc as far as I know. He had a few good years for the Yanks MANY years ago…..

  11. Scooter says:

    Congrats (again) to Rebecca – great interview in the Daily News:

  12. Mike says:

    Just realize there’s a football game on. Niners vs Bears on nfl network.

  13. VO says:

    When in a dilemma what better place to go then RAB to solve your problem. My school decided to do cell phone check for the rest of the month, and usually I wouldn’t have a problem with this as I’d just leave it home but I have a trip to the city tomorrow and I need to have it on me. Is there anyway to get it past the metal detectors?

  14. Evil Empire says:

    Ellis’ LSD no-no has always been one of my all time favorite baseball stories, and this cartoon did it justice. That was so fucking funny. God dammit I wish I was alive for baseball in the 1970s, that was a fun era.

    • Watching the Bronx Zoo, rocking out to The Clash and The Ramones. Yep. That would have been awesome.

      • Rockdog says:

        You know, I came of age watching the Yankees during this era, and as a young person, it seemed … normal. I remember being totally bummed in 79 — wait, we don’t go to the world series every year?

        And then there were the 80s and early 90s ….

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

          The 80′s and early 90′s sucked.

          • Renny Baseball says:

            Oh boy. The mid ’80s were not as bad because, while never making the post-season (pre-wildcard era), we contended, in some years finishing in 2nd place, and Donnie Baseball was at peak; in fact, for a few years line-up hitters # 1-4 featured, successively, Rickey Henderson, Willie Randolph, Don Mattingly and Dave Winfield (2 1st ballot HoF’ers + Yankee legend Mattingly who won the MVP and in another year a batting title). Righetti was reliable out of the pen (46 saves in 1986) but we were always one starting pitcher short. (I wish the new Yankee stadium would feature pictures from this era as well because even though they were not post-season teams, some of the best players of all-time were on those teams and it also would be a good acknowledgment to fans that stuck with the team when they weren’t winning). Team went sharply downhill starting in ’89 and ’90 and to sub-.500 teams in the early ’90s before the Gene Michael renaissance. I remember going to a game in the early ’90s to a pretty empty stadium and seeing the then-lesser known Mark McGwire hit a monster shot into empty outfield seats.

      • thurdonpaul says:

        the bronx zoo shit was awesome, billy was hired an fired like a million times :)

  15. Drew says:

    Yo Mike, any thoughts on Igarashi?

  16. In the vein of Dock Ellis, this post on an athlete doing some dumb and illegal shit allows me to tangentially link to an athlete doing so SERIOUSLY dumb and WAY, WAY, WAY MORE illegal shit:

    I know this man personally.

  17. tophitter says:

    Report: John Wetteland Taken to Hospital With ‘Mental Issue’

    Former major league closer and current Seattle Mariners bullpen coach John Wetteland was taken to a Texas hospital on
    Thursday with what is being described as a “mental issue,” according to news reports. It seems that police arrived at Wetteland’s
    house shortly after receiving a phone call around 1:30 PM ET about a “possibly suicidal person.”

    • Very, very sad. I hope the man gets all the help he needs.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

      One of my most vivid memories about Wetteland was of me and a friend arguing with each other after Wetteland left. My friend kept talking about what a “mistake” it was, and how Mariano “was only good for one season, we have no idea how he’ll do the rest of his career.” I told him I thought Mariano was young and had real potential, so the risk was worth taking. He says he didn’t see anything special about him and that we should’ve gone with the sure thing.

      Of course Mariano has the great 97′ regular season but my friend kept saying, “He needs to close in the playoffs. He hasn’t handled that type of pressure yet.” So when he gave up the HR to Alomar my friend called me to yell over and over, “DIDN’T I TELL YA’? DIDN’T I TELL YA’?” I told him to shut the fuck up and hung up in a bad mood.

      Of course we know what happened, Mariano had an utterly brilliant major league career and every time I see my friend I as him, “So you still think that Rivera kid can handle the pressure?”

      And every time I say that he tells me to shut the fuck up.

      And I smile.

  18. Has anyone seen this piece on Bill Simmons? Someone finally puts him back on Planet Earth

  19. donttradecano says:

    So knicks fans out there, thoughts on Tony Douglas? Kid looks like he can score but can he be a good enough PG?

  20. T-Kep and Fiensand on Yankees Hot Stove.

  21. The Devils have a 5 point lead on the Rags with 2 games-in-hand.

    Boy, that escalated quickly… I mean, that really got out of hand fast, huh, Axisa?

    Ho-ckey? They show hockey at the very end of Sportscenter! [Insert hackneyed joke here] (Just figured I’d save you guys the effort and get all this awesome fun stuff out of the way up front.)

  22. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Oh cool Yankees Hot Stove is back. RAB should totally take over Pinstriped Bible and be on the show since you guys became affiliated with YES.

  23. Steve H says:

    Jay Cutler sucks. Enough excuses for him, he flat out sucks. He has the physical tools, but that’s it.

  24. Tom Zig says:

    I’m debating buying either an Xbox 360 or a PS3 in the near future. Can’t decide which one I want to get.

    Anyone have any recommendations?

    • Chili Davis says:

      PS3 has MLB: The Show. Thus, PS3 holds the advantage.

    • Drew says:

      We talked about it in the other nights thread.

      Basically, if you grew up playing playstation, you’ll love PS3. Though, even if you didn’t play it growing up, it’s hard not to like it. BluRay plus sick gaming, both online and offline are really good on most games and the online is free.

      I don’t play many shooter games, I only play sports, NHL, Live and Fifa. It’s pretty awesome, In my eyes PS3 is the way to go.

  25. johnny says:

    I threw a no hitter on acid once. It happened on the moon against a team of chimps in Batavia Muckdogs uniforms. In my defense, it was one of the better chimp lineups in the NY-PENN.

  26. lolcoverboy says:

    Hey hey, I finally decided to make an account on here after months of lurking lol so please bear with me…

    Since the community here is so awesome, I thought I’d share a few sites that I’ve been frequenting lately.
    The first site is, its an awesome place to get good deals on electronics and watches. shipping’s free too (not quite sure how it works out for them but hey, thats not my problem.) so that’s a plus.

    I also like going to volume rate. Prices aren’t as good as Leetboss (no free shipping, unfortunately), and some of their goods come slightly damaged because of bad packaging, but their selection is nice.

    Anyway, I hope this will solve your last minute holiday shopping headaches! Christmas shopping stresses me out more than midterm papers lol…

    Happy Holidays,

  27. Adam says:

    yo wazzup… i just wanted to say that my firefox is freezing when I click on the text… are you using some JavaScript or something?

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