Nov
09

Pettitte could be back for 2010

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Let’s hope Jon Heyman isn’t teasing us with this update. He says that Andy Pettitte has told teammates that he’d like to come back for another year. Given the old saying that you can never have enough starting pitching, the Yanks should be amicable to a reunion. That gives the Yankees some depth and flexibility, allowing them to set their starting five right away (CC, Burnett, Pettitte, Hughes, Chamberlain). They can then attempt to bring back Chien-Ming Wang, knowing that by July there will likely be a rotation opening. There were questions about bringing back Pettitte after last season, but after 2009 I think it’s a pretty easy decision. Bring back Pettitte.

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  • Andy in Sunny Daytona

    Hell of a scoop by Heyman.

  • http://theyankeeuniverse.com Moshe Mandel

    He sounded like he wanted one more year on Letterman. He actually said something like “I could do one more year” or something.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      However, keep in mind that the following words all sound like “year”:

      beer
      deer
      queer
      rear

      So, maybe he wasn’t talking about baseball. Just a thought.

      • http://twitter.com/riddering Riddering

        Yet, those are all reasons why Mrs. Pettitte doesn’t want ole Andy coming back to NY.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Well, if he had said “I could do one more deer”, that probably means he’s keen on retiring and getting back to Texas to go hunting. That one throws you for a loop.

          • the artist formerly known as (sic)

            And if he said, “I could do one more queer”…?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Well, you’d think that would mean NYC, but Gunnery Sgt. Hartman once told me that the only things in Texas are steers and queers, so that doesn’t really narrow it down much, I guess.

              • the artist formerly known as (sic)

                “I could do one more [viewing of King] Lear”

                =

                Pettitte in NYC in 2010!!

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Good one.

                  Also, I don’t think there are many piers in Texas. Maybe he said “pier”.

                • JMK aka The Overshare

                  He’s going to Anaheim to hang out with Matt Palmer and purchase some pruning shears.

                • pete

                  he could shed one more tear, with another WS, or he could do another sneer, and leave the yanks, or do one more career, which would suck for us, or do one more severe, which would be really ambiguous, or get one more pap smear, which would be even more confusing, get one more ear, which would be really cool, or one more rear, which i guess is sorta like doing one more queer? but ima go with one more year

  • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

    I was pissed at Pettitte this time last year for a myriad of reasons. After the year he had this year, I gladly eat my words.

    One more year at least.

  • Muel

    who’s pettitte?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

      Please explain this comment.

      • Muel

        no, this was not to “correct” a misspelling. Merely trying to add something to the non-story that is Pettitte could be back b/c Heyman says so…

    • pat

      Ouch, douchy attempt at a spelling correction Faaaaaaaaaaail.

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

        Is it, though? Is there a Yankees fan on the planet who doesn’t know how to spell his name?

        • the artist formerly known as (sic)

          you need to be a little more liberal with the banhammer. this place is getting unruly.

      • jsbrendog

        but pettitte is how you spell it no?

  • Doug

    and what base salary though? $10Mish?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Anywhere between 8M and 14M is fine by me for a one year deal.

      • Doug

        $14M sounds like a bit much, no?

        well, the fact that he was worth $15M this year according the fangraphs, maybe not

        • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

          Then 14 M sounds great.

        • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

          I’d guess teams like the Astros would gladly give AP a two year deal. Anytime you’re restricting someone to a one year offer you need to ramp up the compensation a bit. 14 mil is a bit high but it’s hard to say he doesn’t deserve it based on his most recent sample, the 2009 season.

          • the artist formerly known as (sic)

            I think the issue in re: the length of the contract is on Pettitte’s side. i.e. i dont think Pettitte knows if he wants to play 2 more years, and that’s why we keep going year-to-year

    • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

      hmmm, 10 mil with a 2 million kicker at 30 starts? That would be nice but after this year, I think he might get 11 guaranteed.

      • Doug

        what did he make this year after all the incentives? that will probably be his base this year

        • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

          I don’t know the exact number but I think it was between 10 and 12 mil.

          • pat

            1 year/$5.5M (2009)
            $4.5M in performance bonuses: $0.5M each for 150, 160, 170 IP; $0.75M each for 180, 190, 200, 210 IP
            $2M in roster bonuses: $0.1M for 120 days on active 25-man roster; $0.2M for 130 days; $0.25M each for 140, 150 days; $0.4M each for 160, 170, 180 days
            ——————-
            If I added right, all he missed out on was $1.5 million for not reaching 200 or 210 innings in the regular season**. 5.5 mil +3 mil +2 mil = 10.5 million

            **Unless postseason innings get factored in too, which would bring the total to the full 12 million.

            • no.28

              How would an arbitration hearing work with an incentives contract? Would they just look at it as a normal contract based on how much he was actually paid?

              Also, anyone know if he’s a type A or B free agent?

              I guess it probably doesn’t matter. He didn’t want to go anywhere else last year, so I don’t see why that would change this year.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                I’m pretty sure they base the arb hearing around what the players’s total compensation was, including all incentives met.

                So, based on a 10.5M salary, Andy would probably ask for 12-14M, and we’d probably offer 8-10M or so.

                • Doug

                  If it got to arbitration, would we really offer less than he made this year?

                  Think we’d offer $11M or so and he’d ask for $13Mish. End up meeting in the $12M middle.

  • vin

    The Yanks had 4 starters make 30+ starts last year. They probably won’t be so lucky next year. The more SP options, the better.

    • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

      Yeah, Burnett is always going to be an issue. They could use the depth.

      • Glenallen Hill

        Couldn’t agree more. It won’t cost much to sign Harden and Sheets. If you get lucky and one or both are healthy you get proven arms that bolster the rotation.

        CC, AJ, Andy, Joba, Hughes, Harden, Sheets, Wang (assuming he is healthy as well)

        Definition of depth right there.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
          • Glenallen Hill
            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              I have no problem admitting that I’m arrogant. I have a right to be arrogant, I’m almost always correct.

              It ain’t bragging if you can do it.
              -Dizzy Dean

              • Glenallen Hill

                Well, in that case I will ask you questions as if I was 8 years old using a magic 8 ball.

                I’ve never come across someone that had the answer for everything. I like it.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I’ve never come across someone that had the answer for everything. I like it.

                  Well, genius is a pretty strong term, but, if you insist on using it, I can handle it.

                • Tom Zig

                  This guy has to be the ghost of Alex Gonzalez, or at least the same guy as bxbomber.

                • king of fruitless hypotheticals

                  I’ll take ‘Random players who had time on the Cubs and the Jays, about whom I don’t give a rat’s ass’ for $1,000 please Alex.

  • Glenallen Hill

    I know most disagree on here, especially that tommie a/k/a fella, but I would love to see another starting pitcher signed this offseason.

    Putting the pressure on Joba and Hughes to fill the bottom of the rotation is a lot to ask.

    Picking up Sheets or Harden, who are both low risk, would be a nice insurance policy in case either Hughes or Joba struggle, which they have show to do as starters.

    Time for a scintillating comment from tommie.

    • the artist formerly known as (sic)

      holy shit, glenallen hill reads RAB?

    • pat

      Hahah I just want you to know it kind of sounds stalker/single white female-ish when you mention somebody else’s name in your post.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Twice, no less.

      • Glenallen Hill

        Pat,

        No names in posts. I get how comments work now. I certainly don’t want to come off as a “stalker, white female.”

        Huh?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      You asked for it, you got it:

      If we resign Pettitte, neither Harden nor Sheets would sign with us here, because they know they’d be the 6th starter and would have to begin the season in the bullpen, because we’re committed to keeping both Joba and Hughes in the rotation. As we should be.

      All the big ticket FA pitchers available, as well as both of the marquee starters available on the trade market, they all have a compelling reason NOT TO sign with the Yankees. Sheets and Harden won’t take a deal to be someone’s “insurance policy”. They are going to want a guaranteed rotation spot somewhere. Someone else will give it to them.

      The idea of adding another starting pitcher, in addition to Andy, is a smart one. Choosing Lackey, Halladay, Vazquez, Harden, Sheets, or Bedard is not a feasible option to be that starting pitcher addition, though. They will all get better and more desirable offers from other teams than what we can offer them.

      They won’t come here. Good pitchers don’t sign contracts to be a team’s fallback option #6 starter.

      • Glenallen Hill

        Says you.

        • the artist formerly known as (sic)

        • Rob H.

          when was the last time you saw a pitcher of that caliber sign with a team to be a fall-back option instead of going somewhere that gaurantees them a rotation spot? Tommie isn’t just pulling that opinion out of thin air. That’s what usually happens 95% of the time if not more. It’s the smart bet to think that those pitchers will go other places when they see that the yankees will already have their 5 starters set.

        • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

          It’s a good bet that Harden or Sheets would want to start everyday to prove their worth since they’re getting smaller contracts and not to be like Chad Guadin spot starting.

          • ROBTEN

            I got it…the solution to those who want to sign a sixth or seventh starter who’d be willing to sit around and wait for an injury:

            Carl Pavano.

            Boom. That just happened.

            • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

              My mind is blown.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              (golf clap)

            • Reggie C.

              This is the first time in over 4 years where Pavano’s name actually made me smile.

              Ahh…the curing elixir of winning a championship.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Glenallen Hill says:
          Says you.

          Great comment, Brian. Compelling, and rich.

          Well, that’s gonna do it for all of us here at Channel 4 News. You stay classy, San Diego.

          • jsbrendog

            that squirrel sure can waterski

        • JMK aka The Overshare

          Let’s just do a dance-off and get this done with, OK?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside
            • JMK aka The Overshare

              I can say unequivocally that my Hungarian polka moves can totally top that.

              Nem igaz (not true).

      • no.28

        I disagree.

        If the Yankees decide to go after one of these guys, they have the most resources to make the highest offer. Even with Pettitte in the rotation, if either Harden or Sheets go back to pitching up to their capabilities they will definitely be in the rotation.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          There’s no room for them.

          CC-AJ-Andy-Joba-Hughes.

          There’s no room for Harden or Sheets. 6 does not go into 5.

          • no.28

            In Sheets last 840 IP, he’s got a 3.24 ERA with a 5.16 K/BB ratio over 128 starts.

            If he’s pitching like that, there’s no question that he’ll make it into the rotation.

            That being said, I doubt the Yankees go after him.

    • BxBomber

      Bring him back for sure at 10-13 mil.

      Hughes and/or Joba will not survive the season as starters. I still don’t know why we’re not grooming the next Mariano out of one of them. We should be praying for Chien Ming to come back strong which would allow us the flexibility to shift one of them to the pen.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Hughes and/or Joba will not survive the season as starters.

        You don’t know that, and history says you’re probably wrong.

        I still don’t know why we’re not grooming the next Mariano out of one of them.

        Because we’re smart enough to not preemptively choose the path of diminishing utility.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

          Also, we didn’t groom this Mariano, so why would we groom his potential successor?

          • Tom Zig

            How about we groom the next CC Sabathia instead?

            • JMK aka The Overshare

              Too challenging. Let’s groom a Chad Gaudin first. Get our feet wet and shit.

        • Glenallen Hill

          Well, he’s actually half right. History shows that Hughes has not survived a full season as a starter in the majors.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            This season’s “failure to survive” comes with a gigantic asterisk. He didn’t survive as a starting pitcher because we chose to assassinate his starting pitching season by moving him out of the rotation.

            He didn’t fail. We prevented him from succeeding.

            • Glenallen Hill

              I think Hughes had great success in the pen. I’m just saying.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                I agree. It’s moot, though.

                Hughes having great success in the pen is far less important or beneficial for this team, both now and in the future, than Hughes having just mild success in the rotation.

          • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

            TSJC meant that history of other young starters will probably prove BxBomber wrong about Hughes because young starters struggle or get injured in the early years of starting.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Additionally, the history of young starters indicates that young starters talented enough to make the majors at 20 and 21 (like Joba and Hughes did) have a high correlation of success. Inferior pitchers would never have cracked the Yankees starting rotation so rapidly. They’d still be in Trenton or Scranton right now.

              Joba and Hughes big league failures augur well for their future success. They’re good enough to be mediocre, inconsistent big league starters, as opposed to still being minor leaguers right now.

          • Colombo

            Wow. Championship hangover = DONE. B-Jobbers are back in force it seems, and throw the Hughes to the bullpen guys in there too, and we thought there was going to be calm for a little bit.

      • CountryClub

        It’s very easy for the Yanks to shift one of them to the pen next year (or in 2011) if they can’t make it as a starter. But they should (and will) give both of them every chance to be at least solid starters.

      • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

        Sorry to burst your bubble but there is no “next Mariano.”

        Also, you’re praying for a pitcher with a shoulder injury? Why not pray for Hughes and Joba to be great starters? Why is it so many want/expect/prophesize for them to fail?

    • Chris

      If Pettitte comes back, I see the starting pitchers as:

      1. CC
      2. AJ
      3. Andy
      4. Joba
      5. Hughes

      6. Gaudin
      7. Mitre
      8. Kennedy
      9. McAllister
      10. Ivan Nova
      11. Wang?
      12. Aceves?

      I’m not sure that they need another starter in addition to that group.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I’m not sure that they need another starter in addition to that group.

        But more importantly, if you DO feel we need another starter in addition to that group because you’re not bullish on the futures of Joba, Hughes, Gaudin, Mitre, and Kennedy (which is a perfectly acceptable position to take, btw) the fact remains that the “another starter” that we would need in any event is another starter who is fungible enough to sit patiently in the bullpen until an opening arises for him.

        Someone like Justin Duchsherer.

        Whom we DON’T need is another starter with a veteran status/prestige/contract size/contract length that necessitates he remain in the starting rotation all season long. That would be the bad kind of “another starter”, because that starter doesn’t add useful depth, that starter creates an troublesome logjam.

        • Andy in Sunny Daytona

          J-Douche

        • Brooklyn Ed

          I would sign up for Duchsherer, but then again, we already have Gaudin and Aceves filling in the long man/spot starter role.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            A) Ace is not filling that role, he’s now part of the 8th inning committee.
            B) J-Douche is a far better option than Gaudin, all things considered. I’d rather have both of them.

            • Brooklyn Ed

              maybe J-Douche won’t be a good fit for the Yanks. He’s dealing with depression, most likely he won’t be able to deal with NY media and pressure.

              http://www.upi.com/Sports_News.....250979628/

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                That’s the one big negative in his portfolio, to be sure. We don’t know if he can handle the big stage.

                He’s probably worth the risk, though. It wouldn’t be a big contract…

              • ROBTEN

                From the article:

                “a very treatable form of clinical depression”

                and

                “Team officials had said his problems were connected to what was called a ‘non-baseball-related’ issue.”

                So, treatable and unrelated to baseball = “he won’t be able to deal with NY media and pressure”?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Shit, Nick Swisher’s probably hopped up on ADD meds (and RedBull) 24-7; perhaps J-Douche could get a quality prescription or three and deal with NYC just fine.

                • ROBTEN

                  He just needs some pie.

                  /Michael Kay’d

            • themgmt

              Aceves is part of the 8th inning committee? Don’t see that.

  • Reggie C.

    Considering the Yankees won the AL East from having Joba, Chad Gaudin, and Sergio Mitre pitching out of the rotation for stretches of 2009, there should be more confidence in Joba Year 2 + Hughes for 2010.

    I expect Joba Year 2 to finish stronger than Andy Pettite. Hughes is the real wildcard. He’s slated for 150 regular season innings. Hopefully health + natural talent + timely adjustments let Hughes stay the season in the rotation.

    Now … how do we replace Hughes in the ‘pen? R.Soriano?

    • pat

      Christian Garcia.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Nick Swisher.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      there should be more confidence in Joba Year 2 + Hughes for 2010.

      Agreed.

      I’ve heard over and over again for the past week that Joba and Hughes are “question marks” for 2010.

      Those two question marks would be the least questionable questionmarks in the history of all interrogative statements. Joba and Hughes are both tremendously talented starting pitchers. The “questionmark” nature of their 2010 seasons is dramatically overblown. They’re no greater questionmarks than like 80% of all big league starting pitchers.

      The idea that Joba or Hughes are questionmarks, but Sheets, Bedard, Harden, Vazquez, or Lackey are not questionmarks is patently ridiculous.

      • no.28

        How did Lackey make a list with Joba, Hughes, Sheets, Bedard, Harden, and Vasquez?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Joba’s “questionmark”: he’s young and inconsistent
          Lackey’s “questionmark”: he’s had injury problems the past two years, but will be priced like a fully healthy, frontline ace starter

          Every pitcher has questionmarks. Joba and Hughes’s questionmarks are no bigger or smaller than any other pitcher in baseball.

          The “questionmark” line is bullshit.

          • no.28

            What are you talking about?

            Lackey has pitched almost 1000 innings over the last 5 seasons with an ERA under 3.5. He’s been the number 1 starter on a great team and has started 12 playoff games, including throwing a gem in a World Series game 7.

            How can you say that the questions about whether Joba, Hughes, Sheets, Bedard, Harden, and Vasquez can perform as starting pitchers next year are even close to real as whatever questions you have about John Lackey?

            • Camilo Gerardo – your inception? fuck perception, go with what makes sense

              risk/reward.. Joba and Hughes could in all likelihood out-pitch Lackey, but because they didn’t come out pitching like Koufax/Clemens in their rookie years in the bright lights of NY, they are question marks… That, sir, is bullshit

    • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

      Now … how do we replace Hughes in the ‘pen? R.Soriano?
      K-Rob and Marte.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Nitpick:

        I still personally object to the “K-Rob” nickname. I like just plain ol’ “D-Rob”.

        K-Rod sounds too close to K-Rod to me, and I don’t want any of Francisco Rodriguez epic failitude to rub off on our quality young reliever by nickname osmosis.

        Just my two cents.

        DRob >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> K-Rob

        • http://thesportshernia.typepad.com/blog/images/2008/05/04/melky_cabrera_cant_believe_it_phixr.png Drew

          I agree, K-Rod does sound too close to K-Rod.

          Zingggggggggg

  • http://inthemasses.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/mad-max-poster-1.jpg gxpanos

    A lot of Duchscherer talk here.

    At the deadline, I LOVED him, wanted to Cash to get it done, etc. etc.

    I still love Duch the PITCHER: he’s versatile, showed he can start in the AL. But he’s VERY injury prone, and he has IBS and some depression issues. Is NY really a good place for that kind of guy? I think Oakland is the kind of market he’d most thrive in, and I don’t see him wanting to put himself through the ringer in NY.

    Again, I’d LOVE to see him on the team; I just dont think he’d want to come. But, if he does, he’s the kind of guy I’d route super hard for. It’s kind of tragic that a guy as good and versatile as he is has got fight through all these obstacles.

    In sum: Love Duch, hope the Yanks get him; don’t think he’ll come and thus wouldnt count on him at all.

  • http://inthemasses.files.wordpress.com/2009/01/mad-max-poster-1.jpg gxpanos

    Also, this was Heyman’s scoop?

    Didn’t know AP switch to Boras.

  • pete

    I agree with the majority – the only starter we’re getting would be somebody who is willing to sit in the pen. I’m really not seeing anybody like that right now, except maaaayyybe j-douche, who i still think is too talented to want to be our long man or even a set-up guy (which would be somewhat counterproductive anyway, since we’d have to stretch him out to allow him to spot start). Not saying we don’t pursue him, just saying not sure we’ll be able to get it done. I do feel confident, however, with the fact that we have CC, AJ, and Andy, all of whom are pretty good to great innings eaters fronting our rotation. this means that we only need about 60 starts from the following: Joba, Phil, Kennedy, Gaudin, McAllister, Nova, possibly Wang later in the season. Given that joba’s innings limit is gone, he should be able to get through a full season without hitting a wall like this season. Not to say he’ll be consistent, because i doubt that he will. But my guess is that he’ll be as good as any other 4th starter in baseball. Hughes will also likely be inconsistent, and will probably hit a wall somewhere too. Luckily, Gaudin and Kennedy are both plenty capable as far as spot-starting goes, and McAllister and nova could be too. As long as hughes and joba don’t suck as bad as ’08 hughes and kennedy did, we should be ok.

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  • heather – oklahoma city

    First, I am NOT saying the Duch guy can make it in New York, because we just won’t know that until they arrive (remember the randy johnson experiment?), but IBS and depression are not necessarily going to effect his performance on the field.

    My son is twelve and has stress and anxiety related IBS and depression (possibly bipolar, but too young to diagnose yet and we have had a lot of deaths in our immediate family the past 8 years), however he THRIVES under pressure on the mound. The bigger the stage and higher the stakes, the better he is. He takes medication to control the IBS and baseball helps control the depression. He has told me that baseball is the one place where he can forget about everything else that weighs on him.

    I’m just saying, don’t count a guy out because of physical things that are beyond his control…

  • heather – oklahoma city

    Oh, I almost forgot…

    Bring back Pettitte!