Nov
23

Teixeira, Jeter finish second and third in MVP voting

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Joe Mauer grabbed 27 of 28 first place votes, and took home AL MVP honors today by a rather wide margin. Mark Teixeira came in a distant second, while Derek Jeter trailed him for third place. Miguel Cabrera of the Tigers finished fourth, and got the only other first place vote. I’m calling Detroit bias.

Alex Rodriguez, Mariano Rivera, Robinson Cano, and CC Sabathia also received top 10 votes. Mauer was the deserving winner, no doubt about it. (You can view the full voting results right here.)

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  1. These Detroit writers are fuckin’ ridiculous. It also kind of annoys me that Jeter finished behind Tex.

  2. Jordan says:

    Placido Polanco got on the ballot. WOW.

  3. Colombo says:

    Wow…the BBWAA is actually getting things right this award season…I didn’t think that was possible

    • Brian Cashman is Watching says:

      Getting better, but Teixeira finished too high. Zobrist should have been higher. Mauer, Jeter, Zobrist, Cabrera seems more accurate to me (excluding pitchers if you believe in that).

      • Bo says:

        Zobrist wasnt even the MVP of his own team. Please stop relying on numbers for everything that it clouds common sense. WAR has Zobrist more valuable than Pujols. Give us a break.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

          Um, yeah. Statistics are just events, reduced to numbers.

          I know Zobrist has a higher WAR than Pujols, but it doen’t adjust for positional differences (at least I don’t think it does). So Pujols is more valuable, probably.

          Somewhere out there I’m sure there’s a stat that does adjust for positional differences. Wherever it is, it should be used more widely. If it doesn’t exist, someone should make it.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

            Hmmm, apparently WAR DOES adjust for positional differences.

            Something is not right here.

            What am I missing?

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

              From Moshe Mandel:

              “WAR overstates Zobrist, probably substantially, because his UZR at each position is such a small sample. That’s why I said on Twitter I could see him going anywhere from 2nd to 7th (I had him 4th). Of course, the voters had him 8th, behind some people he should not have been behind (Morales, Bay).”

              So there’s nothing wrong with stats as long as you read them correctly.

          • My Pet Goat says:

            WAR does adjust for positions. Also just because Zobrist was more valuable than Pujols in 2009 does not make him a better player, its just the way the numbers played out. You know what Prince Albert will do in 2010, not so much with Zobrist. That doesn’t negate the year he just had, nor does it invalidate the means by which his production is measured.

  4. Toki says:

    Thank goodness they got it right.

  5. Zack says:

    Is that the same Detriot writer who voted Verlander 1st and Magglio 1st over ARod a few years ago?

    • Read the Detroit Bias link above. Two writers voted Magglio 1st in 2007, and a different Detroit writer had Verlander 1st in the Cy this year. It’s a city-wide bias, and it screams to the inherent human bias in reporters that they so frequently try to deny.

      • Zack says:

        I think I’d feel better if it was one guy, not multiple votes in the same city- ridiculous. Yet, people say the way KLaw votes messes up the award.

        • Bo says:

          Why shouldnt they be biased?

          They watch those guys 162 times a yr. These beat writers dont watch others games. How would they know how Jeter played all yr besides reading a stat sheet and some game recaps?

  6. Doug says:

    Arod with a 3rd place vote is kinda interesting. imo, he deserved more support. team took off once he got back into the lineup

    • Ross says:

      You are correct, anyone who knows baseball should look at what Arod did to get to .290 / 30 / 100 and realize the team was not championship caliber until he came back. He should have been top 6 or 7 on everyone’s ballot. But, silly writers think that they can punish someone for giving them something to write about. I hope he doesn’t get McGwire’d on the first HOF ballot.

  7. Yankeegirl49 says:

    According to Ken Davidoff it was not a Det writer, it was
    Keizo Konishi of Kyodo News, based in Seattle.

  8. Moshe Mandel says:

    Tex finishing ahead of Jeter means we have learned nothing. Let’s keep giving votes to first basemen, that’s how we end up with Ryan Howard winning.

  9. vin says:

    How can a guy who got 3 10th place votes, also get 1 first place vote?

    http://bbwaa.com/

  10. Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

    Who cares who finished second and third. The guy who deserved it won, that’s all that matters. I’m not complaining.

  11. Steve H says:

    Considering the beating Klaw took for his Cy ballot, this guy who voted for Cabrera, who showed up DRUNK to play a game in the biggest series of the season, this guy better get absolutely shredded for this vote.

  12. Doug says:

    mo, in 14th, was deservedly the highest pitcher

    • Amy says:

      Yes! Another thing the BBWAA got right…

    • andrew says:

      He was the highest pitcher in MVP voting, but where did he finish in the Cy Young voting? Don’t you think if Greinke is the best pitcher, he’s also the most valuable pitcher. I find this odd. Even if you are among the group of people that think the MVP must be on a playoff/very good team, then wouldn’t CC be more valuable than Mo??

  13. Riddering says:

    I won’t deny the fact that I’m annoyed over Jeter placing third behind Teixeira. New goal in life: abolish 1B from MVP consideration unless absolutely unavoidable.

    Oh yeah, and congrats to Mauer for a well deserved MVP award.

  14. Dax J. says:

    Actually, Cabrera didn’t show up drunk to a game. He showed up drunk at his home and had a scuffle with his wife.

    • Steve H says:

      He was likely still over the legal limit (and sporting a hangover) by the time that game started. Add in the fact that Joe Mauer was 100x better than Cabrera, to vote for Cabrera is so asinine he should lose all future voting priveleges.

      • pat says:

        Dude as a fan of a team that had some of the biggest carousers in the history of the game, showing up to a game hungover isn’t that insane.

      • Dax J. says:

        I’m not supporting Cabrera or anything, but he was the only bat that showed up this season for Detroit. The part about sporting a hangover, that’s right there with David Wells.

  15. Yankeegirl49 says:

    Cabrera got a 200k bonus for finishing 4th, Mauer 100K for 1st.

  16. Salty Buggah says:

    I’m surprised Tex came ahead of Jeter too.

    Anyone think Tex will ever win a MVP? Or is this the closest he gets?

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

      I think he wins next year.

      Put that in your pipe and smoke it.

    • Rose says:

      He’s in the prime of his career…he’s perfectly capable of winning an MVP. He has quite a lot of competition…but he’s most certainly capable.

      • Salty Buggah says:

        Well, I know he is more than capable, but do you think he actually will ever win with Mauer entering his prime, A-Rod being there, and a lot of other guys playing well? And of course, Jesus Montero comes up in 2 years ;)

        • Rose says:

          I think he has a very good chance. The same thing you’re saying about Mauer…people were saying about Arod and Pujols…and they don’t win every year…it only seems like it lol.

          Do I personally think he wins one? Yes. If not next year…the year after.

          But I have a Jeter mentality where I don’t really care about the personal hardware…as long as they keep winning those championships!

          • Salty Buggah says:

            I see why you call that a Jeter mentality but I’m sure nearly every players has that mentality.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

              Do you? They asked I believe Warren Moon what he’d rather be, the first balck QB in the HOF or the first balck QB to win a SB.

              He answered HOF. I know it’s a different sport, but it’s still an example of valuing personal over team achievements.

              Is there anything wrong with this? No. Does that mean he’s not doing his best to help the team win? No. But it does mean that not everybody can be said to have the mentality that Jeter has professed to having of valuing team over personal achievements.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                Spelling fail. balck=black

              • Steve H says:

                But Warren Moon has no control over HOF votes, so I agree with him. If he went out and gave his all to get to the Hall of Fame, it doesn’t really matter what he went all out for.

                As much as athletes say it’s all about winning, there isn’t anyone who would rather have David Eckstein’s career than Ted Williams’, despite Williams never winning a ring.

    • pat says:

      If you subscribe to the theory that having Arod hitting behind him makes him a better hitter then he very well might be in contention next year as Arod will most likely not miss the first month or so.

  17. Andy in Sunny Daytona says:

    Didn’t Pete Abe have one of the NY votes this year? Interested to see how he voted, if applicable.

    • Riddering says:

      I remember him saying later in the season that Mauer had it on a lock. But earlier in the year he said Jeter was making it interesting.

      So he probably voted Youkilis second.

  18. Rose says:

    I can’t believe Derek Jeter got an 8th, 9th, and 10th place MVP vote from people…people must really hate the Yankees.

    • pat says:

      people must really hate the Yankees.

      Hahah, this must be your first day on the internet.

      • Rose says:

        lol. Trust me, I grew up in Western Massachusetts…being forced to listen to WEEI every morning…it’s absolutely brutal. I’m still in Connecticut where it’s not really Yankees territory yet either…so I still hear it all.

  19. Andrew S says:

    Mauer was and is definitely an amazing player, but I still can’t help but feel cheated. I feel like he has quite a powerful bandwagon behind him, and at the first word of ‘Joe Mauer for MVP!’ everyone jumps on.

    Derek Jeter isn’t as fresh, and to some extent, isn’t as well liked outside New York. Even if Jeter had driven in 20 more runs, scored 20 more runs, and hit 10 points higher, I think it would be hard for him to win the MVP. It’s never enough for this guy, and it’s sad because Jeter is an amazingly valuable player to this team. And every year some one from Minnesota has steal the MVP from him! (last time it was Morneau)

    I bet if you put Jeter on the worst team in baseball, they do better than that same team with Mauer on it instead. Does that count for MVP consideration?

    • Doug says:

      “Derek Jeter isn’t as fresh, and to some extent, isn’t as well liked outside New York.”

      seriously?

      • Andrew S says:

        You think Jeter is liked outside New York? or do you think he’s fresh?

        Because I’m pretty sure he’s been around too long to be fresh.
        And a lot of people outside NY can’t stand him for whatever reason.

        • Doug says:

          the former. he’s still VERY popular player. and, yes, i know he had a great season, but i still think he’s a bit overrated. well, at least going into the season he was. think he got so overrated that he became underrated.

          • Andrew S says:

            He is popular. But there are still a lot of haters out there. People either love or hate the Yankees. No one is really in between. Derek Jeter IS face of the Yankees. Therefore a lot of people hate Jeter.

            • Riddering says:

              Yup. People hate Yankee players without knowing a thing about them.

              I’ve had to school many an ignorant individual about Mariano Rivera when they tried to hate on him for being a Yankee.

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

      “I bet if you put Jeter on the worst team in baseball, they do better than that same team with Mauer on it instead.”

      I disagree. Completely.

      Mauer was definitely more valuable than Jeter.

    • Whether Jeter would have won had he had a better season than Mauer is irrelevant. Mauer had the better season, and is the right choice for MVP.

      Unfortunately, sometimes players have great seasons that aren’t the best seasons in their league in that particular season, so they don’t win the MVP award. It may be disappointing, but it’s anything but unfair. The MVP award is for the best season, it’s not an award given to recognize a great season.

      • Rose says:

        And sometimes mediocrity is enough to win (see: Dustin Pedroia 2008).

        The only problem I have is that Justin Morneau wasn’t even the MVP of his own team in 2006. Santana won the Cy Young, Nathan won the Delivery Man of the Year award, Mauer won the Batting Title…how was Morneau MORE valuable than all of these guys? Some of them? Sure…but certainly not all of them.

        Same with Pedroia last year. He wasn’t the MVP of his own team either. I thought Youkilis was FAR more valuable. Not to mention he was flip flopping positions and playing them exceptionally well to boot.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

          In 08′, either Sizemore or Hamilton should have won MVP.

        • Oh that’s fine, I agree. The best player in any given year should win the MVP award, so if someone who was not the best player in their league won the award one year, then of course I disagree with that decision. I just meant to confront this relatively common refrain among some Yankees fans that Jeter should win an MVP award just for having a great season, regardless of whether that great season was the best season in the league.

          • I just meant to confront this relatively common refrain among some Yankees fans that Jeter should win an MVP award just for having a great season, regardless of whether that great season was the best season in the league.

            Agreed.

            And, the similar argument that “Jeter should win the MVP over Player X from Team Y because Jeter is the leader of the Yankees who did better than Team Y” is also wrong.

            We all love Jeter and all of our guys, but being a Yankee should neither hurt NOR HELP your case for MVP.

    • Toki says:

      Your joking right?

  20. Matty Ice says:

    Let Mauer have the MVP….I’m sure a World Series ring is a nice consolation prize to Tex and Jeter.

    • Andrew S says:

      I think I’m just mad that Jeter finished third (like many people on this thread)… and SO far behind Mauer. It would have been nice if the voters gave Jete some more recognition! Over the summer all the talk was “Jeter might finally get his first MVP, blah blah blah…” then he finishes third. I don’t get it.

      • Doug says:

        the twins making the playoffs helped mauer cause a lot. especially once morneau got hurt. most thought they would tank, but they didn’t. actually made that run to get them into the postseason, and it was mauer who essentially carried them

        • Andrew S says:

          Good point.

          Just curious, have there been any REALLY bad Yankee MVP snubs? I feel like there was one for Bernie, maybe even Jorge? but I don’t recall what years…

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

            Jeter in 99′ and 06′ comes to mind.

            • Jeter had a beyond belief year in ’99, but I don’t think he was snubbed at all. Should have finished higher than 6th, but I’d have voted Pedro and Manny over him. Pudge had a good case to, being a catcher and putting up some excellent power numbers.

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                I’m not into pitchers for MVP,so leave out Pedro. I alwas thought he deserved it over Pudge, but there’s a good case for Manny.

                Anyway, there’s still 06′.

                • 2006 should have gone to either Sizemore or Jeter. Morneau shouldn’t have won, but I don’t know if you can say Jeter was definitely snubbed in 2006 since Sizemore had a better WAR and had a pretty decent claim on the award.

                  Point being… Yeah, he had a good case for the award in 2006, but it certainly wasn’t an open-and-shut case. He should have done better in the voting than he did, but I don’t know that he should have won the award.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  Fair enough. These fall under the category of “debateable snubs”, then.

                • I’d choose a different term. I don’t think it’s not a snub if the guy wasn’t robbed (i.e. if we don’t know that he definitely should have won). The word “snub” implies the guy should have won but was robbed, and I don’t think that’s an accurate description of Jeter in 2006. For example… If Mauer hadn’t won this year, that would have been a snub. Jeter not winning in 2006 is just… Arguable.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster) says:

                  So the category is simply “arguable”.

        • Steve H says:

          Yeah, all that and Mauer was far and away the best (ie most valuable) player in the AL this year.

      • ” It would have been nice if the voters gave Jete some more recognition! “

        He got just about as much recognition as he should have gotten. He should have finished ahead of Tex, but he didn’t deserve 1 first-place vote. Not one. Nobody but Mauer deserved any first place votes this season.

        “Over the summer all the talk was ‘Jeter might finally get his first MVP, blah blah blah…’ then he finishes third. I don’t get it.”

        Because, at the end of the season, it was clear that Mauer had the better season and deserved the MVP. Just because someone may have said, months ago, that Jeter might win the MVP award, doesn’t mean that statement had any basis in reality nor that it had to necessarily come true. I remember seeing Tony Massarotti on ESPN in the middle of the season saying he thought Beckett might be en route to the Cy Young Award. In the end, Beckett wasn’t in that conversation, and he shouldn’t have been. Same thing as your complaint about people talking about Jeter and the MVP and then Jeter not winning it in the end.

        Look… I know it’s disappointing when one of our guys has a great season and doesn’t win the MVP award… But the award doesn’t recognize great seasons, it recognizes the best season. That’s just the way it works, and that’s the way it should work. There’s nothing to ‘get’ other than that.

  21. My Pet Goat says:

    BBWAA’s website is a clucking travesty. I think it’s hosted on geocities.

  22. Joe D. says:

    IF players actually care about exactly where they place if not first, then Ben Zobrist has more to be more pissed off about than Jeter, and it’s not particularly close.

    .405/.543 while doing a credible (or better) job at multiple positions — mostly MI — is simply outstanding. The dude basically hit like Tex while being bounced around like Luis Sojo. No top 5 votes for him a complete joke.

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