Dec
08

Yankees set to acquire Curtis Granderson, pending physicals

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The rumor started late last night and developed throughout the day. Now it’s close to official: the Yankees have agreed to acquire centerfielder Curtis Granderson from the Tigers in a three team trade. Here’s the breakdown of who will get what:

To Yankees: CF Curtis Granderson

To Tigers: LHP Phil Coke, CF Austin Jackson, RHP Max Scherzer, LHP Dan Schlereth

To D-Backs: RHP Edwin Jackson, RHP Ian Kennedy,

Joel Sherman says that removing lefty reliever Mike Dunn was a key for the Yankees, who now have some leverage to use against free agent Johnny Damon. Sherman adds that the trade may not be finalized today because “minor details, mainly medicals, take time, must be worked thru.”

In Granderson, the Yankees will get a 28-year-old centerfielder coming off a 30 homerun, 20 steal season. However, he can’t hit lefthanded pitching at all (.210-.270-.344), and his once superb defense is now just slightly above average. The Yanks also pick up some major cost certainty, as Granderson is signed through 2012 for a total of $25.75M, plus there’s an option for 2013. He’s also familiar with Derek Jeter, having played with him during the WBC.

To get Granderson, the Bombers gave up their top prospect coming into 2009 in Austin Jackson,  who hit .300-.354-.405 in Triple-A this year. Ian Kennedy’s last act as a Yankee will be pitching a scoreless 8th inning in a meaningless late season game against the Angels, while Phil Coke will be remembered as the guy that gave up two homers in one World Series inning. The move makes a dent in the Yanks’ pitching depth, however the Yanks can make up for some it with the player they take first overall in Thursday’s Rule 5 Draft.

Dave Cameron at FanGraphs calls the deal “almost too good to be true” for the Yanks.

Categories : Transactions
  • AJ

    YES! This was a great move by Cashman!

    • Chris C.

      “YES! This was a great move by Cashman!”

      LMAO!!!! It’s an aweful move. Aweful! Dombrowski has been picking Cashman’s pockets for years now!

      Granderson is a so-so hitter (.242, .327 obp, .780 ops) and he’s not even a good base-stealer anymore (20 sb’s….big deal). He is overhyped as a defensive player, and he can’t hit lefties for shit!

      That is really worth Jackson, Kennedy, and Coke? No way.
      THIS is the guy they chose to move Austin Jackson for???? Ridiculous. I mean, the numbers don’t lie. Are the Yankees really stroking themselves that hard over this guy’s 30 dingers? Because everything else he brings to the table is pretty pedestrian.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        LMAO!!!! It’s an aweful move. Aweful! Dombrowski has been picking Cashman’s pockets for years now!

        A-W-F-U-L

        And, what are these other moves where Dombrowski picked Cashman’s pockets? Elucidate, please. Details.

        • scoopemup

          Yea, They really fleeced us on Farnsworth.

          • Chris C.

            As hard as it is to believe, the Yankees actually got less value from IROD than the Tigers did from Farnsworth. I know…..I can’t believe it either.

        • Chris C.

          Let’s see……..the Yankees have handed Dombrowski Mike Lowell, Ted Lilly, and Gary Sheffield. Can you name the players the Yankees got in return, and how A SINGLE ONE of them contributed positively to the Yankees?

          Dombrowski built two DIFFERENT WS winners in Florida, then came to Detroit and pulled the Tigers out of the basement and into respectibility. And he did it all without a 200 million dollar budget, so I don’t think I need to further ELUCIDATE why the man doesn’t give too many bargains to his fellow GM’s.

  • AJ

    AND I Want him in CF not in LF, itd be great to have a good CF with speed.

  • Mike Pop

    Sucks to give up A-Jax but you have to give to get.

    • Tom Zig

      Don’t worry Pop, when AJax becomes Granderson in 4 years, we can trade for him.

      • king of fruitless hypotheticals

        haha oh so true. FA c/o 2014 :)

      • Mike Pop

        How bout when Scherzer becomes A.J. Burnett?

    • mustang

      I would think IPK would of bother you more.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    I’m rather annoyed that the Yankees’ aren’t getting back any prospects. Why involve the D-Backs at all if they give nothing back?

    • Brian

      maybe Cashman just wanted to be nice?

    • A.D.

      Agreed, seems more like the Tigers doing 2 deals at once, where they needed the Yanks deal to go down first.

    • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

      Yeah, it seems a little odd.

    • BklynJT

      The problem is we cannot just give up Jackson and Coke to get Granderson. We had to part with Kennedy too, which the Tigers flipped and sent to the Dbacks. And that is why it is a 3 team deal…

    • Reggie C.

      B/c the Tigers must’ve really wanted to unload Edwin jackson that bad. The Scherzer / Schlereth return is solid for a dominant half-season wonder.

    • Michael

      I agree. I would have liked to have gotten away with a deal without losing AJAX and IPK.

      But I guess Detroit had Scherzer > Kennedy and thats why they were involved.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Why involve the D-Backs at all if they give nothing back?

      They did give something back. They gave the Tigers Scherzer and Schlereth.

      Without that, this deal probably doesn’t happen. From Detroit’s perspective, if you eliminate Arizona entirely, the deal changes from this:

      GIVE: Jackson and Granderson
      GET: Scherzer, Schlereth, AJax, Coke

      to this:

      GIVE: Granderson
      GET: AJax, IPK, Coke

      … now, maybe they could flip Edwin Jackson to someone for two arms of Scherzer and Schlereth’s caliber in a separate deal, but… maybe they can’t. For a team strapped for cash trying to move two guys who are either expensive or soon to be expensive, and who have red flags, I’d much prefer to move them both together and get the Scherzer/Schlereth arms instead of the Kenendy arm by itself.

      Scherzer and Schlereth are great arms. (I don’t understand why the Diamondbacks moved them, but whatevs.)

      • Bo

        They obv have concerns about the injury history of Scherzer and doubt his ability to start long term.

  • Mike Pop
  • mustang

    Bottom line:

    Great move by Cashman now he can think about pitching and let Damon and Scott Boras look for the meaning of life if they want to.

    I told a friend the other day I wouldn’t be surprise if they end up with both Granderson and Halladay. He called me a greedy Yankees fan.

    I say “The point is, ladies and gentleman, that greed, for lack of a better word, is good. Greed is right, greed works”
    Gordon Gekko in Wall Street.

    • Mike Pop

      For the bajillionth time, no on Halladay!

      • mustang

        We will see my friend let just enjoy having a great CF

        • DP

          It’s not about whether you’re right or wrong that it happens: it’s a bad deal for us.

          • mustang

            Like I been told a 100 times here believe in Cashman if he does it then its because thats the best thing for the Yankees.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              That’s not what you’ve been told a 100 times here.

    • BklynJT

      Sorry but Montero is not going anywhere. Only to AAA Scranton Yankees mid 2010.

    • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      I think you might have missed the moral message of that movie.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Well, there’s only one thing to do about that:

        Go see the sequel this April to try and figure it out.

        http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1027718/

      • mustang

        I didn’t but i enjoyed the line and in the real world the Gordon Gekko types win most of the time i’m sorry to say.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          in the real world the Gordon Gekko types win most of the time i’m sorry to say.

          Counterargument: The 2008-2009 GFC

          • mustang

            Yes and how many Gordon Gekko types went to jail ?

            The rich stayed rich and the working class bailed everyone out.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              SOME of the rich stayed rich. Far from all of the rich stayed rich.

              Many of the Gekko types, the actual traders and money managers, they lost everything because they were totally personally leveraged.

  • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

    I’m okay with this…but it sounds like the Yanks aren’t getting any prospects in the deal, which was something I was hoping for.

    • Brian

      but we get to keep Dunn!

      • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

        True.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Prospect we received in the deal:

      Curtis Granderson

      • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

        Fair enough.

        I wanted more names to follow on DOTF.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Humberto and Romulo Sanchez.

      • Chris C.

        Honestly dude, how good do you think Granderson really is? I guarentee that he’s about half the player you believe him to be.

        I could care less if the Yankees kept Austin Jackson or not, but the fact is, he’d become a valuable trade chip…….and so had Kennedy. Now they’ve just been wasted on Granderson.

        How many trades must Dombrowski make with Cashman before you finally realize that the Yankees are never getting any bargains from him?

    • Big Al

      The Yanks are getting a first round draft pick from the Nats. (Brian Brunney) ie. prospects

  • Reggie C.

    I will continue to follow Austin Jackson’s career with much interest, and now, trepidation.

    • pat

      +1. I’ll be insanely conflicted.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        +1 to this.

      • steve

        I hope he has a solid career, with a few seasons over league average, with maybe 1 or 2 all star appearances, while making millions of dollars. That seems like a fair compromise.

      • http://twitter.com/PerminioNeto Permínio Neto

        +24

  • pat

    Even though I really should be, I’m not a fan of this. Granderson has been trending downward in everything except HR the past few years. My unbridled love and optimism for AJAX keeps me from liking this. Oh well, I hope I’m wrong.

    Good for IPK tho, he gets to pitch closer to home and in a much easier division.

    • Reggie C.

      I agree. IPK is a clear winner from this trade. He could very well make the AZ rotation as the 5th starter.

    • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      IPK gets to pitch about 2 hours closer to home (but he still has to fly there, either way), but he has to live in Detroit instead of New York. He’d probably prefer to sit on an airplane for a couple of extra hours here and there than live in Detroit over NY. (Not that this really matters.)

      On more important matters- I agree about Granderson. It’s hard not to like this trade from a transactional standpoint, but I definitely worry about Granderson’s recent trends. Hopefully 2009 was the outlier.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        IPK’s in Phoenix, not Detroit.

      • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        F me, disregard this comment. IPK to ARI, not DET.

        ::shoots self in head with finger-gun::

    • IRememberCelerinoSanchez

      I agree, Pat. I really respect the insight of a lot of people who comment here, so I want to know what I’m missing, since I see this deal as horrific. Not meh, not bad, but horrific.

      As Pat noted, Granderson has been worse every year than the year before. And his lefty-righty splits are Mo-awful.

      A Jax is one of the few legit OF prospects in the system, and IPK, though he takes a lot of abuse, is a legit back-of-the-rotation starting prospect. I don’t give a damn about Coke. He’s fine but eminently replaceable.

      If this is a straight Granderson for Damon move, then I am depressed.

      Plus, we can no longer make the IPK and Melky for everyone jokes.

      I hate this.

      • UNION YES.

        If you’re going to point out Granderson’s decline, what about AJAX’s decline in power numbers.

        • Bo

          Dont make it sound like Jackson is a sure thing all star here.

          He looks like a solid player but not a star especially with lacking any kind of power.

  • emac2

    Terrible deal!

    Just because we have a great infield doesn’t mean we should be overpaying a bunch of outfielders who can’t hit.

    • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

      Huh?

    • Brian

      Granderson is a 4+ WAR player
      and he is not that expensive either

      • emac2

        I don’t care if he is a plus 10 peace player.

        Hit better then .250 or I’m not insterested.

        and cheap for how long?

        1 year?

        We get rid of a handful of minimum wage players for a very average hitter just entering his overpaid years.

        Lame

        • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves
          • lebigyank

            yo props on the (safe) tag btw

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Hit better then .250 or I’m not insterested.

          FACT: Curtis Granderson has hit better than .250 every single year of his career, except for 2009. In 2009 he hit .249. FACT.

          • emac2

            Well done stat master!

            I assume we agree that .249 is less then .250 and we just aquired someone who hit under .250 for the entire season.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              I assume we agree that you sound like an idiot quibbling over one-one thousandth of a point of batting average.

            • Colombo

              Do you remember last year when we traded for a guy who hit .219? How’d that work out for us?

              • Big Al

                SMART!! Kevin Long may be a big factor here as well.

              • scoopemup

                Well said, but I still feel uneasy about this deal.

        • Nady Nation

          “Hit better then .250 or I’m not insterested.”

          Not a Swisher fan, eh?

          • emac2

            Not even sort of.

            Good guy to help you get to the playoffs but not good enough to make a difference against good pitching.

            Neither guy is bad at 3-5 mil per year but not over that.

            • Mister Delaware

              Swisher is a career .333/.458/.444 hitter off Cliff Lee. Cliff Lee is “good pitching”. Thus Swisher is awesome and you are wrong.

              • emac2

                How do I get the dumbest post comments?

                You must be part of that Jr High click that hands out the awards.

                • sciorsci

                  I remember last week when you were scoopemup.

        • Brian

          batting average is a lame statistic
          Granderson gets on base a lot, plays good defense and has lots and lots of pop that will be amplified in new Yankee stadium
          worth as many wins as Damon has been, and he is younger and cheaper

          • emac2

            Batting average is a lame stat if you look at that alone but ignoring it is dumber giving it weight.

            It also means more to me then just batting average. It also says something about the ability of the batter to make contact when needed.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              You know what’s even dumber than either of those things?

              Being mad at someone for not hitting .250 or better when they hit .249.

              The statistical significance of .250 over .249 is nil. Nothing. Zero. Bubkis.

              • emac2

                under .280 is my cut off. under .250 is simply stating the facts. I’m not sure why you would assume one extra point would matter.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  If under .280 was your cutoff, you should have said that. What you said was:

                  Hit better then .250 or I’m not insterested.

                  In any event, I hope you thoroughly enjoy your little moving argument game.

                • emac2

                  The only game is the one you are playing in your mind.

                  Instead of trying to understand a simple point you are going to try to pin me to a standard I have disagreed with?

                  If your life is as pointless as your arguments you really need help.

                  Someday try a baseball argument for a baseball point. it might shrink your wee a bit but you also might not be one.

                • CubanC

                  Granderson is also coming cheap, so to speak. He signed a 5 year extension in the Winter of ’08 for 30ish mill. I think that’s a good deal given Granderson probable production.

        • pat

          Hahah I just got that, “+10 peace player”.

          Good stuff.

        • NDR

          Paul O’Neill 1992 (CIN NL) age 29 – BA = .246; OPS+ = 102

          I think that worked out OK for the Yankees. If anything O’Neill was a bigger risk going forward than Granderson is now. Before coming to the Yanks O’Neill was also terrible against LHP. By 1994 his age 31 season he became a passable hitter against LHP.

          O’Neil OPS vs. LHP (CIN) 1988 – 1992 (621, 548, 721, 575, 565)
          O’Neil OPS vs. LHP (NYY) 1993 – 2001 (597, 1011, 820, 739, 766, 760, 543, 836, 732)

          Just for comparison
          Granderson OPS vs. LHP (DET) 2006-2009 (671, 494, 739, 484).

          • Ted Nelson

            Paul O’Neill came with a prospect and cost the Yankees Roberto Kelly… Granderson is costing the Yankees 3 major league ready prospects.

            O’Neill is also one guy, would be interested to see if he’s an aberration or if this is a fairly regular phenomenon.

      • Chris C.

        Then why are the Tigers dealing him if he’s so great and inexpensive?

        • sciorsci

          Because he was part of a deal that netted them Max Scherzer, among others. And because, in case you hadn’t noticed, Detroit is pretty much the epicenter of the recession. What’s cheap to the Yankees, and, in a relative sense, compared to the free agent market, is not necessarily cheap to the Tigers right now. I’m sure they’d much rather move Magglio Ordonez’s contract, but that’s not necessarily reasonable. They’d have to eat a large portion of the contract AND pay a replacement. This move allowed them to shed Granderson’s contract and acquire a pitcher of Scherzer’s caliber as well as taking a chance on AJax’s development for far less money.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          They’re flat broke.

        • JMK aka The Overshare

          Have you seen Baghdad West lately? Went there for a business meeting a few weeks ago. Wow!

    • AJ

      What are you talking about

    • Teix is the Man

      Ladies and gents, your dumbest comment of the day!

    • Jake K.

      Um, what? Granderson can’t hit? Despite his struggles against lefties, he’s got a career OPS+ of 113. Melky: 88.

      • BklynJT

        But his value over Melky is not really the debate.

      • emac2

        When did Milk become the standard for major league hitting?

        I thought he defined AAAA hitter.

        What part of a .249 average is being about to hit? the fact that he does OK in a few secondary stats means he has some skills but he isn’t an above average hitter.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

          AAAA? He hit league average last year. How is MLB league average AAAA?

        • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves
        • Ted Nelson

          You really need to get off the batting average thing

        • sciorsci

          Secondary stats? Like HR and IsoP? Those aren’t any more secondary than BA, which has been shown, repeatedly, to be far overvalued as a stat, as I’m sure you know.

    • Thomas
    • Pasqua

      Wrong on multiple levels. $8.3 million on average for 3 years is hardly overpaying, and last I checked, Granderson could hit a little bit…which is probably why they just f’ing traded for him.

  • Mike Pop
    • king of fruitless hypotheticals

      heh…i have two images in my head…one is bobby abreu cringing before he hits the fence, and johnny damon running into the mesh part of the fence with his face!

      ok…but we can still bring back johnny right?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Leaping catches at the wall like that is what makes a man a superstar!!!

      Sincerely,
      The People who hate Mike Cameron but love Torii Hunter

  • AndrewYF

    The Yankees also opened up 2 spots on the 40-man roster.

    • AJ

      great point

    • Mike Pop

      +1 big win.

    • ultimate913

      Wasn’t Ian Kennedy also on the 40 man roster? Meaning it’s 3 spots are cleared up on the 40 man roster?

      • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

        Add one for Granderson.

        • ultimate913

          Wow. How did I not notice that? lol

      • vin

        But Granderson will take 1.

  • Ted H

    What do people think about Reed Johnson as a platoon-mate for Granderson? Last 3 years he’s hit .329 .395 .483 against lefties and plays a beastly left field (when healthy). Obvious issue is having 5 OF.

    • Nady Nation

      Yanks just gave up their best, closest to ML-level OF prospect for Granderson. Highly doubt he will be used in a platoon.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Yeah.

        Even though he’s struggled mightily against lefties (every other year), you’ve got to let him keep trying and see if he can solve the problem. He’s too young and too important to become a part-time player.

      • Ted H

        Go check Granderson’s splits. He is the epitome of platoon player.

        • Nady Nation

          Just because you say so doesn’t mean the Yanks view him as that. In fact, I’d say it’s quite obvious the Yanks do NOT think of him as a platoon player considering what they gave up to get him.

          • Ted Nelson

            The question is whether they are right… and whether finding out is worth what they gave up.

        • sciorsci

          Only in odd number years. Check the splits. If nothing else, that should tell you something about the unreliability of single-season platoon splits.

    • Bo

      You dont trade for Granderson to platoon him.

  • NYCOUG

    Sorry to lose Jackson but Granderson will be a huge pickup for our outfield. Move the Milk to LF and have Granderson at CF and Swish at RF. Sounds good to me!

  • A.D.

    Dear Curtis Granderson,

    Please start hitting LHP.

    Sincerely
    The Fans

    • pat

      +1

  • rbizzler

    Just read the blurb by Chad at LoHud about A-Jax and I would be lying if I didn’t feel just the slightest twinge of regret.

    I hope he blows up in Motown.

  • whitey

    Pretty juiced on this deal.
    Granderson in the #2 hole against righties
    Swisher in the #2 hole against lefties
    Thoughts?

    • Mike Pop

      This whitey, the sox fan?

    • emac2

      sounds like an expensive platoon?

      • ColoYank

        Doesn’t sound like a platoon at all.

      • jsbrendog

        your brain = fail

        one plays rf one plays cf. where they hit in the lineup has nothing to do with a platoon PLUS swisher is a switch hitter.

  • Evil Empire

    Good move. Hard to argue with getting a known commodity like Granderson in his prime for unknown commodities that may or may not pan out. Now we can dream of K-Long getting him to hit at a respectable level vs lefties.

    Nonetheless, I’d expect a power surge from him next in YSIII. He’s an excellent fit for us, definitely the best option we have for the 2-hole.

    Thanks AJax and IPK! You fellas did your job as trade bait.

    Who’s the common sense platoon partner for him? Melky?

    • sciorsci

      He’s not going to hit at a respectable level vs. lefties without the opportunity to hit vs. lefties. So the common sense platoon partner for Granderson is Granderson.

  • Tom Zig

    It saddens me that there will be no more IPK + Melky trades

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      End of an era.

      • rbizzler

        Any predictions for the new combo du jour?

        I’ll go with Melky + Z-Mac for (insert superstar here).

        • Andy in Sunny Daytona

          ZMac + Gritner get Pujols.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            I vote for Anthony Claggett and Shelley Duncan.

          • Klemy

            Duncan has to be in this deal to play on his dad’s team.

            • All Praise Be To Mo

              Fat Sanchez #1 + Fat Sanchez #2?

      • king of fruitless hypotheticals

        that’s what prospects are for…time for a new era!

    • Mike Pop

      For real.

    • mvg

      Actually, since they are now even more impossible, and therefore ridiculous, I think the entertainment value of them is even higher.

      • mvg

        Well, from the people not seriously suggesting it, I should say.

  • Beamish

    So, really, the Yankees traded AJax, IPK and Coke for Curtis Granderson. The fact that Detroit essentially spun IPK and Coke to AZ is irrelevant to the Yankees; so it is not really a three-way trade.

    They say even a good trade should hurt. This kinda hurts. I think they sold low on either Jackson or IPK by sending both for one OF, or the Yankees see their ceilings as lower than the many of the rest of us.

    • BklynJT

      No, it is a 3 way trade because it would not of happened without 3 teams involved… You can’t make these trades as 2 separate trades because you can’t be sure the latter team wont back out of it… you know, after you already completed the first trade, leaving you with a player you didn’t want in the first place.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Agreed.

        A HUGE, HUGE part of this for Detroit was getting the Scherzer and Schlereth arms in the deal. Without that, the thing probably does not happen.

      • Beamish

        Good point. I sit corrected.

    • sciorsci

      This is the way the vast majority of “three-way” trades go down. Very rarely does Team A get players (or money, or PTBNL) from B and C, B from A and C, C from A and B, etc. Usually, it can be broken down, in a sense, into two separate two-team trades, but there’s so many backchannel contingencies involved that it is very much a three-way trade.

  • Cam

    I do like Granderson, but part of me is definitely dissapointed that we won’t get to see what Jackson will become. I know he’s just a prospect but after hearing about him all this time, definitely sucks a little. But that’s some kind of outfield the Yanks have now!

    • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

      You’ll see plenty of what he’ll become, just not in pinstripes.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

    I don’t like giving up IPK but getting rid of A Jax before his value tanks is a godsend, plus this stabilizes the outfield for a while.

    • pat

      Austin Jackson’s value is going to tank?

      • radnom

        Not for certain, but there is a very good chance that he will never be worth more than he is right now (not unlike most prospects at the same moment in their career).

        • Mister Delaware

          Yup. Knock his BABIP down to even .350 and that slash line dips big time.

    • BklynJT

      Jax has been seriously playing baseball for what??? 4 years? He is only going to get better. His value is only going to increase. There are 16 year olds with more baseball experience that Jax. Give him some time, he may really blossom into something.

      • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

        Yeah he may but odds are against him.

  • Bill R

    Haha now Damon’s probably crapping his pants cause his stock just went Waaayyy down in the Yankees eyes

  • danny

    im excited/sad, i hate trading away prospects after watching them develope. all the best to a-jax.

    • Angelo

      agreed

    • Angelo

      agreed

  • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif Omg!Zombies!

    Giving up AJax hurts but it should. You are getting a very good player in Granderson. Plus defense and Plus power, all reasonably price and at the ripe at of 27. That would allow the Yankees to not give Damon the 2+ years hes looking for.

    Best part of all hopefully no more Halladay to the Yanks.

    • pat

      Grandy is going to be 29 in March.

      • http://forums.projectcovo.com/images/smilies/e6omir.gif Omg!Zombies!

        Thanks for the correction. I should have looked it up.

  • ABS

    Jackson and Kennedy was a lot to give up for a guy who declined two straight years to a bad .249/.327/.453 line (worst than Melky) who can’t hit lefties a lick – check out his splits, 2008 is the only year he was even passable against lefties. Maybe it works out, and he reverts back to 2007 or even 2008 form, but Kennedy is a legit starting pitcha and Jackson is their second best prospect (I could care less about Coke).

    • AJ

      What makes Kennedy legit? And Melky’s slugging was under .420, and he hasn’t shown to be any better than that. This is a great deal.

      • ABS

        I say. Watch him this year in Arizona. As for Melky, you’re missing the point – he was not a good hitter last year – I’m sorry, but .327 OBP is just BAD for a guy hyped as much as Granderson, much less one who hit leadoff. Last year, he would have been (production wise) the 9 hitter in the Yankee lineup, or maybe the 8 hitter, if you want to get picky.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

          Granderson is a star player the Yanks are getting because he had a bad year… Long and the Stadium will rejuvenate him.

          • Ted Nelson

            That’s the hope, but there’s no guarantee.

            • andrew

              Just like there’s no guarantee with Kennedy or Jackson

    • Dwnflfan

      You know who else couldn’t hit lefties a lick when we traded for him?

      Paul O’Neill

      O’Neill’s career OPS vs LH’ers was 0.598 when he came over from Cincy

      Granderson’s career OPS vs LH’ers is 0.614.and a year younger than O’Neill was when traded.

      Granderson also has OPS’d 84 pts higher on the road over his career.

      I remember wondering what the Yankees were thinking when they dealt Roberto Kelly for a platoon RF’er.

      • BklynJT

        We’d be extremely lucky if Grandy turns into O’Neill.

      • YankyGaGa

        Please, don’t compare O’Neil with Granderson. Just stop.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

          Why? I think it’s a very valid point made about it.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            YES BUT I DON’T LIKE IT BECAUSE IT CONTRADICTS MY PERSONAL GRANDERSON HATE!!!!

          • Ted Nelson

            You can find a credible exception to any rule, though. Is O’Neill the exception or the rule? I have no idea, but my gut tells me he is the exception. If so, maybe Granderson is another exception, but the odds are against him just like the odds are against Austin Jackson.

        • Dwnflfan

          Request denied…

        • Ghost of Scott Brosius

          Why not? He’s giving a reasonable statistical analysis to suggest Granderson might turn around and be someone special. He’s not saying Curtis Granderson today is Paul O’Neill.

      • pat

        Can’t compare black and white baseball players. Cardinal rule of blogging.

    • Mr. Max

      Melk was OPS+ 99. Grand was 100. Grand’s peak/average: 135/113. Melk: 99(this season)/88.

      Melk also can’t hit lefties.

  • Rage

    I am pissed off

    • radnom

      Rage

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Would you say you’re “enraged”?

  • whitey

    Who gets added with Melky+Igawa+? for a superstar haha

    • A.D.

      Melky + Nova/Z-mac

  • PaaakmaaaN

    good work by cashman…

    Now the question is….who hits leadoff???? Jeter or Granderson…

    We also got to sign Andy Pettitte, and Matsui/Damon on of the two, and were set for 2010:)

    • ABS

      You’re kidding, right? Look at Granderson’s OBP last year, and ask that question again.

      • ColoYank

        I was just doing that, and I’m not fond of the idea of slotting him in second, either.

        • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WppcSY4SsSk barry

          He’ll feast on fastballs in front of Tex.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Look at Granderson’s OBP last year, and ask that question again.

        Counterargument: His OBPs the two years BEFORE last year are solid. .361, .365.

        • Ghost of Scott Brosius

          Exactly. The Yankees are betting that last year was a statistical outlier, and that Granderson had a bad year and not a nose-dive. Considering he was only 28 last year, not typically an age where you start a rapid decline in skill, I don;t think it’s a bad bet.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            You’re my boy, Scotty Bro.

          • Ted Nelson

            Fair point, but shouldn’t you get a discount when you’re taking a risk? If Granderson reverts to form the Tigers did them a favor, if he keeps up his 2009 numbers the Yankees did them a HUGE favor by eating his salary through 2012…

            Maybe the Yankees in fact wanted to trade major league ready prospects they aren’t high on to clear spots on the 40 man roster, but it just seems like there’s a lot of value you can get from major league ready prospects from teams having a fire sale. Since Jackson has the potential to be better than Granderson and the Yankees included 2 young arms, I’m not thrilled.

    • Klemy

      I almost expect some juggling to occur in that respect. If Grandy bounces back this season he’s a valid leadoff option, though Jeter is solid there too. It’s a great problem to have!

  • Reggie C.

    Best part of this deal? NO MORE ipk / melky trade scenarios.

  • Mike Pop

    Who said IPK had no value!

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Well, I am pretty peeved that the Yankees get nothing back for him. If all it took was Coke/Jackson, they should’ve just done that trade w/Detroit and left Arizona out of it.

      • Mike Pop

        Can’t assume the fallacy of the predetermined outcome there though.

      • king of fruitless hypotheticals

        it took more than coke/jackson…it took coke/jackson plus whomever the d’bags sent to detroit too…

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Well, I am pretty peeved that the Yankees get nothing back for him. If all it took was Coke/Jackson, they should’ve just done that trade w/Detroit and left Arizona out of it.

        You’re looking at this wrong, Matt. It didn’t take only Coke/Jackson. It took a good position player and THREE good arms to convince the Tigers to ship away Granderson AND Jackson.

        You can’t divide the trades like that, it doesn’t work that way.

        • A.D.

          Agreed, there is no way the Tigers trade Edwin Jackson for Scherzer & Schlereth, they needed IPK, therefore they would have asked for him in the Granderson trade.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Yup.

  • PaaakmaaaN

    Just look at our outfield now…

    Melfky- LF
    Granderson- CF
    Swisher- RF

    2/3 can hit 30 homeruns… this is what the yankees were missing all these years a power hitting outfielder

    • anon

      I dont think Melky can put up the numbers needed at a corner outfield position. His offense is passable at a position like CF because of the defense that is required of the position. They still need to sign an offensive asset to play LF

      • ColoYank

        Named Johnny Damon, perhaps.

        • anon

          I agree, I think you still bring Johnny back, but play it like he’s lost some leverage at the negotiating table

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            MI-IKE! CAME-RON!
            (clap clap clap-clap-clap)
            MI-IKE! CAME-RON!
            (clap clap clap-clap-clap)

            • Andy in Sunny Daytona

              Mike Cameron, Curtis Granderson and Nick Swisher….that outfields nickname??

              Soul Patrol (Swisher is cool enough to be black)

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                FACT: Nick Swisher ghostwrote Michael Jackson’s hit “Black or White”, as well as the entire “Off The Wall” album. FACT.

      • pat

        When you’re getting 30+ HR from CF the need for a big bat in one of the corners is nullified. That’s what makes Granderson so appealing. Granderson in CF and Melk in LF is pretty much bthe same as Melk in CF and Damon in LF except the first one is much, much better defensively.

      • sciorsci

        The whole “numbers needed at a corner outfield position” is such a fallacy when considered in this context. Doesn’t Granderson put up numbers that would be acceptable for a corner OF? (hint: yes) Didn’t Melky put up numbers that were adequate enough for the Yankees to win the WS last season? (hint: yes) So if you’re ok with having them both in the lineup, shouldn’t you base your defensive alignment on defense and your offensive lineup on offense?

        Don’t get me wrong, I’m still hoping that they bring back Damon in a LF/DH combo role, but I just don’t like the flaccid “numbers needed at a corner outfield position” argument because the idea of numbers required at certain positions is based largely around having average production at other positions. In other words, so long as the Yankees are getting superior offensive production from other traditionally non-slugger positions (C, SS, 2B, CF), they can carry someone like Melky, even in a corner OF role.

        I hope Damon comes back – it makes the team that much stronger – but they can play that negotiation on their own terms now.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Alright, let’s play fantasy manager here.

    I think there are a few permutations we could see:
    LF: Cabrera
    CF: Granderson
    DH: Damon

    LF: Damon
    CF: Granderson
    DH: Matsui

    LF: Granderson
    CF: Cameron
    DH: Damon OR Matsui OR outside hire.

    Which do you guys think will wind up happening? I’d like #3 a lot.

    • AJ

      3 would be great but what about the nonsense of lowering payroll? And don’t we need a starter?

    • Mike Pop

      Option 3 with Matsui as DH.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        BINGO

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          Lineup analysis time, using CHONE projections:

          5.608 per game.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Ron Burgundy massive erection time, CHONE projections:

            100%

            • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

              And that’s with a .320/.418 OBP/SLG projection for Cameron, that he could easily out do.

      • Bob Stone

        Definnitely

    • Jake K.

      #3 sounds ideal.

    • http://www.kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

      I love 3 but I think 1 is more realistic. But hell, we’re the Yankees. 3.

    • http://pinstripepalace.blogspot.com/ Brien Jackson

      Wind up happening? No idea. Personally I think #3 with Matsui is ideal from an offense/defense/payroll standpoint.

    • sciorsci

      #1. Damon gets some LF ABs too to open up DH ABs for Posada, A-Rod, etc.

  • Scott Lagano

    I’m not a big fan of this trade, basically we gave up Austin Jackson, Phil Coke and Ian Kennedy for Curtis Granderson. I don’t mind parting with Coke and Kennedy but Jackson is the real deal. Granderson may have speed but his batting avg last year was garbage. He is also not as great in Center as people think. Does anyone remember the 2 fly balls to center the last week of the season that Granderson misplayed and cost the Tigers a trip to the postseason. I think this trade was uneccessary. Should have left well enough alone. Everyone dogs Melky, but I will take .280/15/75 out of my #9 hitter in a lineup. This trade will backfire for the Yanks

    • AJ

      I prefer the .250/30/71 with the 20SB.

      • http://baseballalamode.blogspot.com Neon Noodle

        Granderson 2009 OPS+ 100
        Melky 2009 OPS+ 99

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Granderson, 2004-2008 OPS+: 188
          Melky, 2005-2008 OPS+: 84

          Large samples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small samples

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Sorry:

            Granderson, 2004-2008 OPS+: 188 118
            Melky, 2005-2008 OPS+: 84

          • http://baseballalamode.blogspot.com Neon Noodle

            I’ll give you:
            Larger sample >>>>>> Large sample

            One full season is not a small sample.
            In 4 full seasons, he’s had 2 very good OPS+ years and 2 average OPS+ years.

            Unfortunately, one of the average ones is most recent.

            After reading everything, I feel better about this trade then I did before. I’ve gone from pessimist to optimist here, and I dod look forward to seeing him play in pinstripes.

        • Rob

          Yeah, but that is with Melky’s best year coupled with Granderson’s worst.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Granderson may have speed but his batting avg last year was garbage.

      A) There’s more to a player than just batting average
      B) There’s more to Curtis Granderson than just his batting average from 2009
      C) There’s evidence that his 2009 batting average was depressed by plain ol’ bad luck and/or a poorly altered plate approach, two things that will either regress to the mean or be fixed with proper coaching

      He is also not as great in Center as people think. Does anyone remember the 2 fly balls to center the last week of the season that Granderson misplayed and cost the Tigers a trip to the postseason.

      Large samples >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> small samples. Two badly played balls during one week of one season that you vividly remember in your mind does not make Granderson a poor defensive centerfielder. He’s quite good.

      • Evil Empire

        TSJC, sounds like you like the move.

        I know I do.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I was always against trading for Granderson when the deal included one of Joba or Hughes.

          Getting him for AJax and IPK is palatable. I’ll miss AJax a lot, because he’s a full 7 years younger than Granderson, but AJax also had some legit concerns about his bat, so I can see why we sold on him.

          • Evil Empire

            Eww, yeah for Joba or Hughes I’d be fucking furious. But I’m rather pleased. Yankees look to get net value in the trade the way I see it.

            Its not going to be the megadeal of ridiculous impactfulness that ESPN will make it out to be, but its a solid move.

            And something tells me John Kruk will like it for us. Not sure if that’s a good thing or a bad thing.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              He’ll like it, and then say that it means we’re abandoning the youth movement since we traded away Jackson and Kennedy, and say that Coke’s absence means one of Joba or Hughes has to go back to the pen because we’ve created a huge hole back there and we’re in “win-now” mode.

              Watch.

    • Bob Stone

      I’m trying to like this trade but I agree with you. Coke,Austin and IPK are just too much for Granderson. Perhaps I am too emotionally attached to “OUR” guys but my gut tells me this is not a good trade for the future. It might work well for 2010 and maybe 2011 but after that I think this trade will be viewed as a bust for the Yankees.

  • anon

    I still think they need to sign Damon… Melky is not a LF, the production you just gained in CF will be lost in LF is Melky there

  • MS

    I still hope we sign Damon as DH and sometimes fill in for the outfield. He is still a clutch hitter and we can use Granderson in the 9 spot. Plus, I like Melky better in left field with his descent arm. Hate to see AJax go, but honestly I only knew what I read about him or saw in highlight clips.

  • vin

    http://www.hittrackeronline.co.....ype=hitter

    Hello, New Yankee Stadium! Granderson will be Damon 2.0

    • whozat

      Or, he’ll do what Giambi did and give up the rest of his offensive game in favor of trying to put everything in the RF seats. And he doesn’t have the batting eye to do that.

      There’s upside to this deal, but there’s downside too. Granderson could continue his slide, falling in love with the homer. Or, the Yanks could get him back to using more of the field and he could rebound in a big way.

      We’ll see :-)

    • Bob Stone

      That graph helps me like the trade a little bit but not enough.

  • http://www.kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

    I like it. I think IPK will be a solid 3/4 starter for some other team (lucky for him, that team’s in the NL West), but I wasn’t sold on him being successful in NY.
    Sucks to lose AJax, but he has the potential to become what Granderson is now, so I don’t see much of a loss there. Although he has a cooler nickname. Can’t wait for all the “Grandys” coming from Girardi.

  • A.D.

    I’m not a big Granderson fan, and not as excited as some to get him. But I’m good with the trade because I believe they got value in the deal. Basically I feel the Yanks could wait, and potentially (not that they would) trade Granderson for something we couldn’t trade Coke, IPK, and AJAX for.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Well said, and I agree 100%.

      I have reservations about Granderson.
      I like AJax and I’m bullish on his future.
      I didn’t want to trade AJax in the abstract, or acquire Granderson in the abstract, but the trade value is good, so I support the deal in totality.

      • Bob Stone

        I’d like to feel the same way but I don’t.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I understand that. AJax and IPK are good, solid youngsters who are tough to give up.

          I’m not super-duper pumped about the deal, because it’s not a Swisher-steal, but I think on the whole, it’s a slight victory for us.

          Slight.

  • Reggie C.

    Don LaGrecca(?) (WFAN) sounds like a big fan of the deal.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    I just hit a HR w/Ajax in MLB ’09.

    :(

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Just hit another one w/him to give us the lead in the 9th.

      :(
      :(

      • A.D.

        MLB ’09 seems to be a bit bullish on his power.

  • Raf

    i think losing Kennedy as SP depth next season kinda stinks. other than that, good deal for Cash.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      That’s a good point.

      We’re gonna need someone like Justin Duchscherer even more now.

      • toad

        Agree. I expect Cashman to go after pitching fairly hard now.

    • Januz

      I happen to LOVE this trade. IPK was NEVER one of my favorite Yankees (I remember his rotten attitude in 2008). Coke was a servicable lefthander out of the bullpen (I remember how uncomfortable he was about closing, so not a lot of upside). Losing Jackson may very well hurt, but you have to give something to get something.
      As for Granderson, he is only 29 years old, and he has power, and speed. I agree he does not hit lefthanders well (But how many teams have left handed starters that scare anyone?). Assuming the fact, he will hit second, you can throw in the fact that he is surrounded by Jeter, and Teixeira, and Rodriguez hitting cleanup, you can bet he will get a lot more fastballs to hit in the Yankee lineup. Finally, this guy is supposed to be a good guy in the clubhouse (So they are not bringing in a Milton Bradley-type cancer).
      Finally, it gives the Yankees more leverage with Damon/Boras, when it comes to his contract demands, while holding on to the most important prospects (Montero, Hughes, Joba & Romine).

  • Reggie C.

    Okay … so now which prospect cracks the Yankees top 10 prospects list? I’d love to see Mike’s revised list later today? No rush tho.

    • king of fruitless hypotheticals

      Okay … so now which prospect cracks the Yankees top 10 prospects list? I’d love to see Mike’s revised list later today? No rush tho.

      Fixed.

  • http://baseballalamode.blogspot.com Neon Noodle

    Have any teams made this official? I’m on board with not liking this trade. Not sure how IPK and Jackson will turn out, but I like their potential better than getting a guy who has been trending worse for the last 2 years, ending this year with an exactly league average OPS+ of 100.

    • AndrewYF

      Do these people follow the Yankees? Did they not see what happened with Nick Swisher? Granderson’s career is very good. One year overrides all of that?

      • Zack

        It’s not 1 year, it’s a downward trend. Plus his inability to hit LHP.

        Nothing wrong with pointing out a player’s flaws or having concern

      • whozat

        No. but Swisher’s bad year looked almost entirely BABiP driven, and it was a one-year outlier. Granderson’s been on a downward trend, especially against lefties. It could be an approach thing, and that could be fixed…but it could also NOT get fixed and he could wind up being useless in every game against Lester, Price, Romero, Kazmir, etc. I’d love it if they got Cameron to add another righty bat to the lineup.

  • John

    just imagine if damon re-signs.
    Jeter SS
    Damon DH
    Teix 1B
    A-Rod 3B
    Posada C
    Granderson CF
    Cano 2B
    Swisher RF
    Cabrera LF

    • king of fruitless hypotheticals

      Jeter SS
      DamonDHLF
      Teix 1B
      A-Rod 3B
      Posada C
      Matsui DH
      Granderson CF
      Cano 2B
      Swisher RF
      Cabrera LF

      • Doug

        the 10-man lineup might not work ;-)

        • king of fruitless hypotheticals

          hmm…none of my markups came through…

          i guess you may be able to tell i was making jd the LF and matsui the DH with either the milkman or the landscaper gone.

          i prolly should have just stuck to the ‘fruitless hypothetical’ meme instead :)

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            You can’t just use the (s)(/s) strikethrough HTML tags, you have to use the (strike)(/strike) ones.

    • vin

      Damon and Matsui…

      Jeter SS
      Damon LF
      Teix 1B
      A-Rod 3B
      Matsui DH
      Posada C
      Granderson CF
      Cano 2B
      Swisher RF

      Murderer’s Row.

    • Doug

      isn’t that the same lineup as this year, except granderson instead of matsui

      • Rob

        worked well, didn’t it?

    • Rose

      Screw Damon…you get Matsui now. Our outfield is somewhat set…unless you want to get Cameron to offsight the entire outfield being awful against lefties. Otherwise, you grab Matsui for DH. Melky is in LF.

      That way we’re the same team with a younger faster better Granderson instead of Damon…

      Not Granderson instead of Matsui…

      • Bob Stone

        I agree.

      • sciorsci

        I’d prefer Damon to Matsui just because I’d feel more comfortable with Damon’s OBP skills in the #2 spot and let Granderson hit lower in the lineup. I know he spent a lot of time as the leadoff man in Detroit, but in my eyes, he could be a solid #6 guy with power to support good RBI opportunities as well as the speed to reset the table for the bottom of the order.

        I think trying to keep Damon and Matsui is overdoing it, but that was the case even before acquiring Granderson. I think we all suspected that it was going to likely be one or the other. I’d like to see this lineup in 2010:

        Jeter SS
        Damon LF/DH
        Teixeira 1B
        Rodriguez 3B
        Posada C/DH
        Granderson CF
        Cano 2B
        Swisher RF
        Cabrera(/Cervelli) LF(/C)

        Damon would play left when Posada (or anyone else besides Damon) is DHing, with Cervelli occupying the “scrappy #9 hitter” role when Posada isn’t behind the dish.

  • http://Nichter24 Jason Nichter

    I love having Granderson but I HATE losing both IPK and A-Jax. We can forget trading for Halladay now. Toronto will ask for Joba/Hughes & Montero and there is no way CASH will give up our top 2 (3 if you count IPK) prospects in the same offseason. Looks like we will be going the free agent route for another starter. I hope we sign Lackey but more than likely we’ll be seeing Harden, Sheets, or the Duke in pinstripes next year.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      We can forget trading for Halladay now.

      I’m more than okay with that.

      • A.D.

        +1

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I’m practically jumping for joy at the idea that the trade for Halladay is now off the table.

        It would have been a bad trade for us.

        • A.D.

          Makes me like the trade more when this is added to it.

    • Evil Empire

      I forgot about trading for Halladay a while ago.

      I don’t mind losing IPK, he’s fairly replaceable. I’m sure Z-Mac will be happy to take all the NYY prospect hype that came from Kennedy and take it for himself. Honestly, quite a few things would have had to have happened for him to make the 2010 or 2011 starting rotation, most of them things that we wouldn’t hope to happen.

      As for A-Jax, I thought Mike put it very well in the chat. Who could we hope A-Jax turns into? Curtis Granderson?

      Sooooo…yeah. I fully support the move, very glad we kept Mike Dunn. He’ll be next year’s Phil Coke, but hopefully with more Ks.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        I forgot about trading for Halladay a while ago.

        You’ve come so far.

        /sheds tear

        • Evil Empire

          I know!!!

          I’m all growed up now

          Hey I’m a man who listens to reason and logic. I assess, evaluate, listen to counterarguments, and then repeat as needed.

          • Bob Stone

            ietcvm

  • miketotheg

    so i guess we are letting go of johnny damon?

    i’ll never forget screaming my ass off when he stole those two bases on a tex AB. balls to the wall.

  • Mike bk

    can we put dunn back in and take schlereth instead?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      No. That was never an option, BTW. Never. Not for half a second.

  • Andy in Sunny Daytona

    Now sign any 2 combo of Matsui, Damon or Cameron. Melky goes to the revered 4th outfielder spot, and Brett the Jet lands in Scranton.

    Yay, Cash Money Trillionaire.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Heh, +1 to all of this.

    • Tom Zig

      3 Ws (dot) C-H-A-Millionaire (dot) com

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I’m with you 100%, but Brett wouldn’t go to Scranton, he’d stay with the big club.

      13-man position player Opening Day Squad:

      C-Posada
      1B-Tex
      2B-Cano
      SS-Jeter
      3B-ARod
      LF-Cameron/Damon
      CF-Granderson
      RF-Swisher
      DH-Damon/Matsui
      Bench
      C-Cervelli
      UTI-Peña
      4thOF-Melky
      25thMan-Gardner

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        Scranton needs a hero!

      • king of fruitless hypotheticals

        who is that bench dude?

        Aren’t we missing an IF with that roster?

        and, from the ‘its-not-my-money’ file, why not trade leche or landscaper and make Matsui the DH with Damon or Cameron the 4th OF? i mean, if money has no object… :)

        what’s the major drawback (besides $) to Matsui and Damon-Granderson-Swisher with Melky?

        How much cheaper would we get Damon now that we don’t ‘need’ him? OR will Boras make him go somewhere else?

  • Rose

    I’m still wondering why the Diamondbacks were so adament about doing this trade. I’m confused. It seems like they got the worst of the deal and they were the originators of it all.

    Tigers made out pretty handsomely though.

    I’d say the order of winners in this are Tigers, Yankees, D’backs.

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      Diamondbacks just got 2 decent starting pitchers.

      • http://baseballalamode.blogspot.com Neon Noodle

        Man, I type slowly.

      • Reggie C.

        If Brandon Webb is truly recovered, the NL West just got tighter. Edwin Jackson is going to hold up alot better. The D-Backs could use bounce-back seasons from Drew and Conor Jackson.

        • Mike Pop

          Haren-Webb-Jackson is a nice little trio.

      • AndrewYF

        And gave up a potential ace.

        • Mister Delaware

          There are worse sins than risk-mitigation.

    • http://baseballalamode.blogspot.com Neon Noodle

      If you project they got 2 starting pitchers that will be in their rotation, which I do, they got a good deal.

    • nathan

      Tigers > DBacks > Yanks…

      Dont like this deal at all

      • http://baseballalamode.blogspot.com Neon Noodle

        +1

        Unless, Granderson stops regressing and starts progressing

      • Bob Stone

        Agree.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      A-D-A-M-A-N-T

      I agree, though. I hate this trade for Arizona.

      • king of fruitless hypotheticals

        Adam Ant was an awesome 80’s singer!

        Bet he draws more than Jay-Z if he sings opening day!

  • eegradstudent

    I think the rule 5 pickup the Yanks will get from the Nats will make this look like a better trade. I am guessing we pickup a LHP to replace Coke in the pen.

    • Mike bk

      we already did that w a healthy marte.

      • jsbrendog

        and by kleeping dunn

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Yup.

          Marte-Dunn-WDLR on the 40-man already, with Kroenke (if not taken in the R5, or if returned) and possibly Bleich right behind him… we’re good on LOOGY depth. No need to make the R5 pick a lefty reliever.

  • Reggie C.

    So does this qualify as a fire – sale on the part of the Tigers? What’s the chances that the Tigers are putting Miggy Cabrera on the block now?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Doubt it, on both questions.

  • BklynJT

    A lot of Tiger fans are loving the deal, mainly cause they sold high on Granderson. I don’t like the sound of that… Hopefully this is not the Xavier Nady trade part 2.

    • Evil Empire

      Curtis Granderson is not Xavier Nady, for a variety of reasons. And that was a good trade when it was made.

      • Januz

        The Nady/Marte trade turned out to be very similiar to the Graham Lloyd trade from 1996. A guy coming out of nowhere (Marte), to get huge outs in big situations. That trade really benefited both the Yankees and the Pirates.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          G-R-A-E-M-E

    • radnom

      Dude, if I was a Tiger fan I would love this deal too. They got a major haul, regardless of how Granderson works out. This isn’t like the Nady deal, where they traded for a player coming off a career year. If you want to compare it to anything, it would have to be Swisher–getting a younger guy signed for a few years who is coming off a down season but has tons of potential.

      • J.R.

        Cashman traded spare parts for Swisher. Ajax was a legit prospect.

        I don’t think this is a good comparison.

      • Handsome B. Wonderful

        Apples to oranges.

        For Swisher, they gave up NOTHING and got 29 homers, the most walks in the AL, and one handsome cat– and I knows handsome.

    • Nady Nation

      Sold high on Granderson??? He had an OPS+ of 100 this past year. If anything, they sold low.

      • YankyGaGa

        Tigers are the clear winner in this trade.

        • radnom

          Yes, but that has more to do with the DBack’s puzzling moves then them fleecing the Yankees.

          My initial thoughts are great move for the Tigers, good move for the Yankees and bizarre move for the DBacks.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Bingo.

            Swapping Granderson for AJax/IPK/Coke is a pretty even trade for both sides. Turning around and swapping IPK and Edwin for Scherzer and Schlereth is a fleecing. Huge win for the Tigers on THAT part of the three-way.

    • nathan

      2 years back they wud hv sold high.. now they have sold at his low and gotten a lot… and he has a heavy contract too… dont get this deal

      • sciorsci

        Heavy contract? $8.3M per year for 3 years including a buyout/option for year 4? That’s downright reasonable for just about any team (just not Detroit in this economy) if not outright cheap in relation to the Yankees budget.

    • A.D.

      They sold high on Edwin Jackson, that’s where they got the most value

      • Steve H

        Yeah. Good haul for the Tigers and Yankees. It’s the D-Backs who on the surface don’t look so hot.

    • Bob Stone

      I liked the Nady/Marte trade a lot when it took place. I still like it.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I still like it too.

  • radnom

    1. Jeter SS
    2. Johnson DH
    3. Tex 1B
    4. Arod 3B
    5. Damon LF
    6. Granderson CF
    7. Posada C
    8. Cano 2B
    9. Swisher RF

    • http://Nichter24 Jason Nichter

      We can’t have both Damon and Johnson. You have to remember we need to sign a free agent pitcher also.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Says who? And why? The only FA pitchers to be signed would be depth moves anyway.

      • radnom

        Why exactly?

        This trade does not cost much for next year and I think prior to the trade it was reasonable to assume the Yankees would sign two bats to replace Damon and Matsui.

        Although they might not now, but that doesn’t mean they can’t.

        • sciorsci

          I’m not sure that it was ever a given they would sign two bats. There has been a lot of talk about using the DH spot as a place to rotate their aging players through to keep them in the lineup offensively but give them a break in the field. I think they’d like to keep Damon or Matsui (and I think they still would like to keep one of the two), which makes Granderson more of an upgrade over Melky than a replacement of Damon.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        You have to remember we need to sign a free agent pitcher also.

        Yup.

        His name is Andy Pettitte, and he’s gonna take a 1/12ish.

    • Dirt

      1. Jeter SS
      2. Johnson DH
      3. Tex 1B
      3. Arod 3B
      5. Cameron CF
      6. Posada C
      7. Granderson LF
      8. Cano 2B
      9 Swisher RF

      I would also be happy with Damon DHing

  • nathan

    gave up too much, would have loved to see AJax come thru and develop in NY… totally conflicted on IPK… I hope this means no Damon… time to get younger.. bite the bullet and go with Gardbrera in LF.. cant have the best everywhere… or i will never believe that the word ‘budget’ exists in thir dictionary

  • dino

    this is a total coup for the yanks

  • Justin(Raleigh)

    What do you guys think of signing a guy like Dye? He seems like he could be a good candidate to play left and provide even more pop to the lineup. Then all you need after that is Andy coming back and we would be all set. You could also DH Dye if you needed to. Thoughts. Maybe im just a greedy Yankee fan but Andy and Dye seem like a good fit to fill out that DH/pitching problem.

    • Evil Empire

      Jermaine Dye?

      Hell.
      Fucking.
      No.

    • Thomas

      Dye can’t field anymore and 2 out of the last 3 years has been an average hitter. So no.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      I said it last night and I’ll say it again:

      I’d rather eat vomit than have Jermaine Dye on the Yankees.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        There’s literally dozens of DH candidates better than Dye.

        (Well, maybe one dozen and not dozens.)

      • Andy in Sunny Daytona

        Sounds like a friday night in my college days.

  • Nady Nation

    Grandy 2010 = Swisher 2009. Book it.

    • radnom

      I’m all aboard on this.

    • http://baseballalamode.blogspot.com Neon Noodle

      This, is what I am hoping for. I can’t agree with the book it, but that there’s a chance makes the trade better than I felt 10 minutes ago.

      • Nady Nation

        I’ve seen some of your comments above. I don’t think “regressing” is a fair way to assess Granderson’s past few seasons, mainly for this reason: In 2007, he exploded for a 135 OPS+. In 2008, he “regressed” to a 123 OPS+. As far as I’m concerned, when you’re regressing to a 123 OPS+, I’m not going to be upset. 2009 was really the only year that he’s struggled. Which gives me confidence that it was an isolated down year and he should be able to elevate his performance back to ’07, ’08 levels.

        (Yes, I’m aware of his LHP splits. My retort would be, even with those splits, he still had 135 and 123 OPS+’s in ’07 and ’08 respectively as a CF. I’ll take that.)

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Grandy 2010 = Swisher 2009. Book it.

      Really, though, when you think about it:

      Grandy 2010 = Damon 2009. Book it. He’ll take HUGE advantage of that friendly porch and put up a nice offensive line, even if his LHP split isn’t pretty. But, he’ll be doing it from CF, and with sterling defense.

      • Nady Nation

        Absolutely. I just meant Grandy = Swisher in the sense that they were both acquired for relatively cheap (given previous values) due to a down year, but will come back to produce at their career norms as Yanks.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Yes, but Granderson was acquired for a blue-chip prospect. Two of them, actually.

          Swish wasn’t. Huge difference.

          • Nady Nation

            That’s fair – but rewind to one year ago today. Is there any chance in hell we acquire Granderson for Kennedy, A-Jax, and Coke? That’s mainly my point. Yes, Swisher was more of a steal, but taking into account Granderson’s previous value, we were only able to snag him for this particular package due to a poor 2009 (IMO).

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Okay, fair enough.

  • jp

    i would like if the yanks resigned matsui now that it looks like granderson is in cf… damon would have taken his share of DH days and now you wont need to rotate at DH as much and matui will have a bigger role. as far as LF goes i may be the only one left who likes gardener over melkey but i like speed.

  • The Three Amigos

    Granderson should be getting a visit from Kevin Long shortly.

    • Evil Empire

      Yup. K-Long just got himself a shiny new toy to work on as a Christmas gift.

      • jsbrendog

        i enjoyed this comment and its inference

  • Mike bk

    fangraphs analysis:
    http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs.....-big-trade

    loves the deal for us, good for tigers and awful for d-backs.

    “From the Yankees perspective, this deal is almost too good to be true. Heading into his age 29 season, Granderson is a legitimate +4 win center fielder signed to a bargain contract for the next four years. I ranked him as the 22nd most valuable asset in terms of trade value in baseball over the summer, and the Yankees are getting him for a variety pack of role players. He instantly makes their team better, giving them a legitimate all-star center fielder who should thrive in Yankee Stadium. For as much as the Yankees have a payroll advantage, they continue to win because Brian Cashman targets the right players. Granderson is a fantastic acquisition for them.”

    • jsbrendog

      For as much as the Yankees have a payroll advantage, they continue to win because Brian Cashman targets the right players. Granderson is a fantastic acquisition for them.”

      ::swooooooon:: cashman….

    • Doug

      concluded with:

      A+ for the Yankees, who continue to show that they know what they’re doing.

      • jsbrendog

        concluded with:

        A+ for the Yankees, who continue to show that they know what they’re doing by letting cashman handle everything and just shutting up and signing his checks.

        • Doug

          missed that, but yeah

    • Doug

      as for ajax: “Jackson should be a decent player, though not a star”

  • Andrew S.

    If Granderson hits .249 next year, where does that get us? I know, I know, he hit 30 HR… but assuming he leads off or hits second a .249 BA .329 OBP won’t cut it. Dudes only hit .300 once…

    We’ve been waiting for AJax for so long now *POOF* gone. And everyone is in love with our new stud in town…

    Not sure if this is a win for the Yanks…

    • radnom

      Yes, if Granderson only hits at his career low points for the rest of his career then its not that great of a deal.
      Why would you assume that is what is going to happen?

      The Yankees obviously see some potential in this guy and he is entering his prime years. Yeah, they have to pay a bit more, but this guy is essentially what they wish Ajax could be. They are just paying a little extra money to guarantee a player of that caliber, and getting him in his prime right now.

    • Mike bk

      if you want to talk about .249 BA you have to consider the fact he was only .276 BABIP which is 40 pts lower than his career average, pick that back up to around .315 which is more than reasonable and he is a .275 hitter.

      on the flip side A-Jax .300/.354/.405 at SWB but his BABIP was .390 which is obscene. Take him down to just a .345 BABIP (still well above avg) and he is a .270 hitter.

      • Mr. Max

        word

  • dkidd

    the only thing that gives me pause is why is detroit trading a guy with such a team-friendly contract? whatever, granderson should hit 35 hrs in ys3 and by all accounts is a hard worker/good teammate

    i hope this doesn’t preclude bringing damon back. i would sign damon to be the primary dh and bat second. when jorge dh’s (30+ games hopefully), damon rests or plays left

    • jsbrendog

      detroit has soo much money tied up in miggy, dontrelle willis, bonderman, robertson, and theyre gonna have to pony up for verlander. they traded their two most marketable assets to bring in cost controlled replacements. ajax will be there in a yr or 2 and be there for awhile and for cheap and the y got 2 pitchers who can start/relieve for them now when they will get nothing and/or not want what they get from willis, bonderman/robertson.

      for them this worked out amazingly. now they prob have a little breathing room to fill out a roster with quality backups/one mroe mlb starting caliber player and nto go bankrupt. and now, they can pony up for verlander long term and mryankee will weep

      • Steve H

        Agreed. There is plenty of reason for why the Tigers made this trade. The D-Backs, on the other hand, not sure what they’re doing.

        • Mike bk

          the tigers got two excellent arms for 11 cost controlled years a future cf for 6 and coke for 5, excellent deal for them long term.

        • Mike Pop

          Feel like something’s missing.

          • sciorsci

            What’s missing is the fact that you’re not considering that the current economic situation in Detroit is similar to a third-world nation. They tried to be a pillar of the community in 2009, but Ilitch can’t just bankroll red numbers forever. They need to bear down and prepare for a few years of down attendance and down revenue.

      • dkidd

        forgot about the looming verlander signing. it’s still tough to wrap my brain around the fact that having a bunch of bad contracts means having to trade away your only great one

        because i like ajax/coke/ipk and jackson, this is one of those deals i hope works out for all 3 teams (as long as ajax holds off on league domination until 2012 or later)

    • A.D.

      Its team friendly, but not super cheap overall. I.e. whomever has Granderson is getting value in terms of production vs salary, but still has to pay him 8m+ per year 11-13, and the Tigers have a budget that already includes a ton of terrible contracts.

  • Mister Delaware

    So anyone worried about Scherzer or IPK’s medicals or are we all assuming this one is going through as is?

  • Salty Buggah

    Holy fuck! This is happening? I have to wake up earlier this week so I don’t miss any Hot Stove action.

  • Mike Pop

    He has to be the CF unless they sign Mike Cameron, right?

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Duh.

  • dark1p

    I just can’t understand why they didn’t go after an outfielder who can hit. We have outfielders who are fast and can’t hit.

    Wonder what Bernie is doing next year….

    • dark1p

      Unless they got Granderson as trade material for a better deal….now that would be interesting…

      • Mike Pop

        Lol.

        I love when big things happen, all the random people start showing up.

      • A.D.

        In theory they could centerpiece him for Halladay

    • Steve H

      Are you in the right blog?

    • Dirt

      Not hitting?

      • dark1p

        2006 .260
        2007 .302
        2008 .280
        2009 .249

        CAREER .272

        Eh.

        • Steve H

          Yes, batting average. Great metric.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          .358.

          Career wOBA.

          Granderson can hit.

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Hideki Matsui hit .274 last year.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Wait:

            Both Hideki Matsui AND MELKY CABRERA hit .274 last year.

            Your mind, it is blown.

            • Dirt

              And I meant Bernie, as of this year, would probably not be hitting…

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I just can’t understand why they didn’t go after an outfielder who can hit.

      We went after an outfielder who could hit. His name is Curtis Granderson. We landed him. There was much rejoicing.

  • http://Nichter24 Jason Nichter

    So now that we lost 2 of our most valuable trade chips. Who do you think our free agent starter will/should be?

    1. Sheets
    2. Lackey
    3. Harden
    4. Duchscherer
    5. Bedard
    6. None of the above

    • Mike Pop

      The Duke fits the best.

      • http://Nichter24 Jason Nichter

        I like all of them except Bedard.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Yep. I’d like Sheets, but someone will offer him a guaranteed starting job.

        • http://Nichter24 Jason Nichter

          We should be one of those teams.

          • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

            No, we shouldn’t, unless Pettitte calls it a career, which is doubtful.

            They should plan to roll with CC/A.J./Andy/Joba/Phil as their 5 starters.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              That.

              I like Duke even more now that A) IPK is gone and B) we have more room on the 40 and 25 man rosters and can give him a spot in the pen waiting for an opening in the rotation.

              I just don’t know if he’d agree to that.

      • Thomas

        I highly doubt Duchscherer goes to the Yankees. He has said he wants to start and could probably get a gauranteed spot elsewhere.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Regrettably true.

    • Evil Empire

      One of Sheets or Harden are whom I would most prefer.

      If Pettitte comes back though, we in theory already have a 1-5 ready for opening day (CC/AJ/Andy/Joba/Phil)

      • http://Nichter24 Jason Nichter

        One of Joba/Phil will be in the pen. Hopefully its Joba.

        • Mike Pop

          No.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          No thank you.

  • Rey22

    Wow, very impressive haul for the Tigers IMO.

    • Zack

      Agreed. I love Scherzer; Verlander, Porcello and Scherzer is pretty nasty 1-2-3

  • The Three Amigos

    Detroit is clearly unloading their people… If they are trying to rebuild, it seems a Miggy Cabrera trade is next.

    • jsbrendog

      they weren’t unloading their people. they were unloading their best trade chips that wouldnt cripple the team but would allow for other needs. scherzer will replace edwin jackson fine, they added 2 bullpen pieces after losing rodney and lyon,and all three pitchers they got are league minimum. They added a comp for granderson who is also league minimum and by freeing up that money they can afford to pony up for verlander and continue to bite the bullet on dontrelle willis, bonderman, robertson, and anyone else they are paying who sucks.

      • A.D.

        Wouldn’t be surprised if they gave Coke a shot in the rotation.

    • Mike bk

      that is the beauty of this deal for detroit because it saves them 10 mil this year and they lose a bunch of payroll in a year with Ordonez, Bonderman, Willis, Robertson, Inge (59.1 million) all coming off the books after ’10 and having replaced a couple of those spots in this deal with upside cost controlled players.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Provided that Ordoñez doesn’t vest his option again, yes.

        Miggy’s not going anywhere. This was the deal they needed to do to be able to NOT have to trade Miggy.

      • The Three Amigos

        Alright, fair enough. I just wouldn’t be surprised to see the Red Sox make a strong push for a big hitter. Adrian Gonzalez doesnt seem likely, but Miggy maybe.

  • Mike bk

    any chance the option now if you have damon leverage would be sign 2 of damon, cammy, matsui and deal melky to someone like the cubs?

  • MattG

    70% of people in the RAB chat either don’t like the deal, or don’t really care.

    That’s a lot of love for Austin Jackson, Ian Kennedy, and Phil Coke. I don’t get that.

    The plan is coming together:

    1. retain Pettitte–almost there
    2. trade Jackson+ for Granderson, check.
    3. unload Melky or Gardner
    4. sign Cameron
    5. pickup Murton or equivalent
    6. sign one of Damon or Matsui as cheaply as possible

    • Mister Delaware

      Murton is off to Japan.

      • MattG

        Perhaps, I don’t think that is final, but he is not all that unique.

    • ADam

      Love it…. But would want dye over Cameron, if I had the choice… which I clearly don’t..

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        2010 Mike Cameron >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> 2010 Jermaine Dye

    • http://Nichter24 Jason Nichter

      Not harldy!!! You started off nice with retaining Pettitte and trading for Granderson but unloading Melky/Gardner and signing Cameron/Murton only makes us older. Remeber we need to think young stars not old stars. And besides Murton is on his way to Japan.

      • MattG

        Right, so we should’ve just called up Kevin Russo, and let him play CF. He’s young.

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  • ADam

    I guess Granderson comes relatively cheap, basically 3 yrs 25 Mill on the books… Have to hope he improves against lefties… and does he bat second in the order behind DJ?

    Not crazy about giving up on IPK mostly… was really hoping to see him contribute this year.

    • Mike bk

      damon or swish will probably hit 2nd at least against lefties. if damon is gone granderson probably hits 2nd vs righties.

    • jsbrendog

      4 yrs 39 mill if they exercies the option, which unless he falls off a cliff a 33 yr old outfielder who can play center at 13 mil a yr is great…cameron made what, 10 mil this year???

      • Mike bk

        check that math it’s 9.75 a year.

        • jsbrendog

          mlbtr has it at 25.75 guaranteed, they were off by 2, it is 23.75, so then it would be 37 mil. EVEN BETTER!

          • Mike bk

            right because the 2 mil is a buyout of the option.

  • Mike Pop

    Drew sheds a tear.

  • pete

    the only thing i dislike about this is the LHP splits. Love the lefty power in YSIII, love the very good defense (career-wise). In the worst year of his career (swish had a terrible year at roughly the same time in his career, so I’m not too worried about him suddenly not being a good player), he was as good as melky was in the best year of his (admittedly at age 24, but also during a season in which the presence of brett gardner and girardi’s careful production-maximizing style of management probably helped his numbers). We know, based on what he’s done in the majors in previous years, that Granderson’s capable of something along the lines of 115OPS+, +10 UZR, neither of which has ever been attained by melky.
    That said, I had an idea that might not ring nicely with a lot of other people here, but what would you think of an outfield of (left to right) Granderson/Cameron/Melky, with Swish at DH? I know it makes more sense historically to have a better bat in RF than melky’s, but I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect Melky to play superb defense in right, and put up roughly league-avg offensive numbers for the next few years. It’s unconventional, but it could turn the yanks OF for 2010 into something close to a +25 machine, with a collective 105-110 OPS+. If you consider the wayyyy above average offense the yankees get at every position in the infield, having three hitters not that far above league average in the bottom of your order would not be the worst thing in the world, considering the defensive upgrade.
    It doesn’t work as well as a long-term solution, considering the impending decline of Mike Cameron, but for 2010, you’d be getting solid offense and excellent defense at a very good price for your outfield, not to mention having a DH who, unlike damon/matsui, could fill in at either corner position and provide roughly league-avg. defense. I would still say that a lineup of
    Jeter SS
    Swisher DH
    Tex 1B
    A-Rod 3B
    Posada C
    Cano 2B
    Granderson LF
    Cameron CF
    Melky RF

    would get the job done offensively (somewhere in the neighborhood of 850 runs), while improving the defense by something in the neighborhood of 30 runs, which could be boosted further by defensive rebounds from A-Rod and Cano and (controversy alert) Tex. Thoughts?

    • pete

      and by superb for melky, i meant in the +5-10 range, not in the Frankie G range

    • MattG

      I wouldn’t hate it, but I’d rather see Melky or Gardner sent packing (nothing personal, just business), the other as the 5th OF, Swisher in RF, and a legitimate bat (Matsui/Damon/Johnson/Delgado/there are others I am forgetting) at DH.

    • pat

      In this hypothetical situation I’d slide Cammy between Cano and Granderson.

    • Mike HC

      I would rather sign just re sign Damon and Matsui.

  • dch

    Great trade. Look Kennedy while one of our best prospects is not in the Hughes/Joba strata. His ceiling is probably a #3 pitcher. A-Jack hurts but by the time he is in the league making a real difference-late 2011 maybe 2012. This trade improves our defense, saves money vis a vis Damon, improves our team’s chances of a repeat while the Old Guard core is still with us. Now we can resign Matsui or hell we can use this as leverage to resign both Matsui and Damon to 1 year deals. Basically, the same lineup with Granderson for Melky and Melky gets a whole bunch of at bats as the 4th OF. Now lets get Pettite on board and sign Sheets.

  • BklynJT

    To those completely ecstatic about the trade, what do you think of the declining CF defense and splits against lefties?

    • pete

      granderson’s D isn’t really “declining” – really i think he just had an off UZR year last year. I think he is probably around a +5-+10 defender.

      • Zack

        does UZR factor in the ballpark?

        • Thomas

          No, I believe all parks are considered equal.

          • Rose

            UZR does not discriminate!!

          • Zack

            Thanks. But obviously not all parks are equal, so wouldnt suprised to see a jump in his UZR.

    • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

      I was concerned, but as JMK pointed out last night, he’s been playing the massive outfield at Comerica alongside Magglio Ordonez and Carlos Guillen. And he still managed a positive UZR rating this past season.

      I don’t think there’s as much to worry about there.

      • A.D.

        he’s been playing the massive outfield at Comerica alongside Magglio Ordonez and Carlos Guillen. And he still managed a positive UZR rating this past season.

        OF size & who he’s playing with doesn’t impact his UZR.

        • http://theyankeeway.mlblogs.com/ Keanu Reeves

          Alright.

          Even if I take the UZR part of my comment away, the point is still that playing in smaller park, along side say, Swisher and Cabrera, or Swisher and Cameron, should help his defense.

          • A.D.

            If he was being poorly positioned in Detroit to try and make up deficiencies by the people around him, then sure.

    • ledavidisrael

      Defense is always swaying. The fact that he has performed well on defense means he has the body type and talent to do it again. Look @ Mike Cameron. from 04-07 he produced one + URZ season. And he rebounded to become a double digit defender. This is trade is good money.

  • Free Mike Vick

    LOVE IT LOVE IT LOVE IT

  • LosingOurHeads

    what about garbrera?

    • Bo

      How does a pinch runner and a 4th OF figure into this?

  • Rob

    We have to remember that Detroit’s ballpark and YSIII are two different beasts. That helps.

  • Oz

    Like a few people, I have reservations about this trade – it seems a pretty high price to pay for Granderson given how high they seemed to be on Jackson.

    Jackson’s numbers in AAA this year were similar to Granderson’s (ignoring the HR totals) in 2005, but Granderson was 2 years older when he hit that level.

    I know that can’t really be used to predict Big League performance, but I can’t help thinking we’ve just traded Granderson mark II for the original model, whilst also giving up a useful rotation/bullpen piece in IPK.

    • A.D.

      ignoring the HR totals

      Which is the biggest problem with AJAX game.

      • Oz

        Understood.

        However, at age 22 Granderson hit 11HR in a full season of A+ ball.

        At age 20, Jackson hit 10HR in half a season of A+.

        Not saying that Jackson WILL develop power, just that at 22 years old I’m not willing to give up on the fact that it still has time.

        • Chip

          Thing is, Granderson turned into a best-case scenario. That’s very rare, you can’t assume AJax follows the same path. If he does, he turns into Granderson anyways

          • Oz

            I agree to a point, although I think that assessment still undervalues where Jackson is now, in relation to where players his age generally are.

            If Granderson’s best case was to develop to where he is now from hitting AAA at 24 I think Jackson’s best case is potentially higher.

            But I’m also a sucker for over-valuing Yankee prospects! :)

            I think Granderson is a good siging, I’m just sorry that it took Jackson to get it done.

            • Bo

              How do u ignore the HR totals when comparing Granderson???

              You going to ignore Jeters hit totals when comparing him to SS’s?

              • Oz

                Because I was comparing his AAA season to that of Jacksons’ and discussing how the development of both players might compare.

                So comparing Jeter’s hit totals to other SS’s doesn’t even make sense in that context.

  • JohnC

    Yanks are hoping Kevin Long can work some of his magic on Granderson as far as his hitting better vs. lefties.

    • MattG

      Or just hoping that he improves. Good hitters don’t struggle against left-handers for ever.

      They should give him number 21.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Or #6.

        • pete

          +1

        • The Three Amigos

          I hope they give 6 to someone truly deserving… like Phil Coke’s replacement.

  • Chip

    For those of you seriously concerned about this trade, keep this in mind.

    Granderson’s 2009 line on the road- .267/.345/.516

    Now keep in mind that 2009 is the worst season in Granderson’s career and that YSIII is awesome for left-handed pull hitters.

  • Hey ZZ

    Ya know what is funny?

    The Yankees were supposed to be quiet this winter and once again they are the talk of the town at the winter meetings.

  • Mike Pop

    Oh how I’ll miss Phil Coke.

    • MattG

      This made me laugh.

      Coke won’t miss NY. He’ll probably close in that bullpen.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      The ball pointing, lol.

      • Mike Pop

        Lol. Oh my god yeah. Every foul ball.

        • Bo

          Perfect time to get rid of Coke.

          His value will never be as high as it is right now.

  • http://www.livingwithballs.com Living with Balls

    I have mixed feelings about the trade. I thought Jackson was their top prospect? Maybe he’s not progressing the way they had hoped.

    • Chip

      Jackson was their second-best prospect next to the man-beast that is Jesus Montero. Granderson>>>>AJax in terms of upside and current production

    • Steve H

      Top prospect?

      Nope, meet Jesus Montero.

      And even though he’s a loooong way away, it sounds like Slade Heathcott has more upside than Jackson, but obviously much less of a sure thing.

      What makes this trade work is Granderson’s age, for the next 3 years he should outproduce A-Jax, and then they Yankees figure it out from there down the line.

      • eegradstudent

        With Granderson under control for three years, I am betting the Yanks view Heathcott as probably being ready for the majors by then to take over.

        • Mike Pop

          Seems a little soon.

        • Steve H

          And if not, they’ll be a 40 year old Mike Cameron still ops+’ing at least 104 with stellar D….

  • Mike HC

    In Cashman I trust!

    I don’t see this as such a steal though. I guess I see it as a fair deal. I liked Ajax and having a guy like him play outfield on the cheap while we used Granderson’s money to go toward another player. You could have ended up with two impact players, plus Kennedy too.

    But, I guess you can’t pass up a +4 win 29 year CF when you don’t have to give up any sure bet prospects, just one projected to be above average and still needs time.

    It will be fun to watch Granderson play for Yanks. That is for sure.

    • Mike HC

      The big concern is the lefty splits though. When teams through the lefty specialist at him every time he hits from the 7th inning on, he may be a liability in crunch time, let alone when a lefty starts the game.

      • Mike HC

        throw, not through

      • Chip

        You’re worrying about a team bringing in a lefty specialist to face a guy who will probably be hitting 6th or 7th?

        • Mike HC

          Well, he is being touted as an all star top hitting centerfielder, so one would assume he should be effective in late innings. I already said I think the deal is fair for the Tigers and Yanks.

    • Mike HC

      Another advantage is that with Granderson only making 5.5 million this year and only 8.5 next year, it also allows the Yanks to maybe sign someone to a large(r) one or two year deal they might not have otherwise done.

      Overall, this deal helps the Yanks immensely the next two years, when we get Granderson on the cheap and AJax and IPK still developing and going through growing pains.

      After those two years it gets a bit more murky. If AJax and IPK start producing, and Granderson gets paid either 12 million for one, or 23 million for two, then it might swing out of our favor. That does not even take into account the extra years of production AJax and IPK would give under team control.

      • Bo

        The last thing anyone should worry about is a lefty specialist being brought into face the 8th hitter.

        • pete

          well said, bo.

  • MattG

    With AJax gone, and Granderson’s salary a known quantity, the Yankees are now free to offer Cameron two years if they want to.

    Put Cameron and Granderson in the OF, and you can play 5 infielders.

    OK, so that’s a little exaggeration.

    • Mike bk

      well if you sign cammy you could go with an of of granderson lf cammy cf, melky rf and swish dh. could also deal melky or gardner to get some prospects back.

    • Steve H

      OF D will be sick if/when they sign Cameron.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I’m very aroused.

  • Charlie

    fuck no. i can’t watch this. i fucking love ajax. coke i dont care about. and ipk is just okay. but goddamn i really didnt want to lose ajax. granderson’s good, but still

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I feel ya.

      You have to give to get, though, and of our 5 best prospects (Joba/Hughes/Montero/AJax/IPK), we gave the two worst and most flawed by far.

      • http://baseballalamode.blogspot.com Neon Noodle

        Unless you no longer consider Joba and Hughes “prospects” anymore. Then it’s 2 of the top 3.

      • Evil Empire

        In fairness, I would consider those our 5 best young, cost controlled players. They’re not our 5 best prospects.

        Its an issue of semantics, but still. Would you consider Evan Longoria to still be a Rays prospect?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I’m including Joba and Hughes in the “prospects” category, because they’re being targeted as players other teams want in trades just like the younger, non MLB vet players of Montero, AJax, etc.

          The fact that they’re trade targets makes them “prospects”, in a way.

          • Bo

            Anyone not arb eligible is considered a prospect.

  • dkidd

    useless but fun comparison:

    granderson 2009 ops at comerica

    .696

    granderson 2009 ops at ys3

    1.203

    • Mike bk

      if his ops at ys3 in ’10 is 850 it’s a great deal.

  • Aj

    i hate following the farm and then they get traded! last year when we traded Tabats i was sad but this year i feel like it hurts more wait until A-jax becomes better than granderson. i heard comparisons of a-jax being compared to auston jackson. as long as the yanks farm is better than system im happy but its not so im not happy! does the yanks farm still rank in the middle now what do you think mike??

    • Chip

      You heard that A-jax might one day be as good as Austin Jackson? That’s high praise for a guy to be as good as himself. All kidding aside, I assume you meant Reggie Jackson and honestly Granderson has a lot more potential to turn into Reggie Jackson.

    • military vet

      auston jackson is good

      • Bo

        This guy is why you dont fall in love with prospects. Some people would rather see a worse player because he came thru the system.

  • http://thetundrablog.blogspot.com/ Jake H

    Good trade. You have to give up something to get something. I think next year Yanks will put more premium on position players since the system is lacking unless someone falls to them in the draft.

    • Reggie C.

      I’m already envisioning a Crawford – Granderson – Swisher outfield for starting day 2011.

      • YankyGaGa

        You do that. I will envision another Championship for the Yankees in 2010.

        • Bo

          You buy or trade for position players. You draft and focus on premium pitchers. The safer bets

  • Andrew S.

    Since when is batting .270 considered great?

    I mean… he might get a huge BA/HR boost from Yankee Stadium if fly balls at Tiger Stadium -or whatever it is these days- (Comerica?) become homeruns.

    I understand he’s in his prime, and he is what the Yanks want AJax to be, and he’s a good defender, hits for power etc etc… but he better actually hit. And I’m not bringing any fancy splits or statistics into this… no BA on balls in play, no home vs. road, vs. lefties, vs. righties… His BA OVERALL, the one that you see in the newspaper when they post the lineups, better be up near .300 (or at least a higher OBP)…especially if he’s hitting in the one or two hole.

    That being said, is this just an example of the Yankees being too impantient to wait for AJax to develop, or do they really see Granderson as an upgrade?

    • Mike Pop

      Jesus man. There is more to a player than his BA. Also – there is evidence to believe that this past season had a lot to do with bad luck.

      For the final time.

      • Steve H

        For the final time.

        Wishful thinking.

      • Andrew S.

        I know there’s more than BA that matters… but if he’s batting leadoff, or second, don’t you want him on base? One of his best assessts are his legs. He gets on more, he steals more, he scores more runs. That’s what we need him to do. We have other guys that can hit home runs for us, we don’t necessarily need him to go up there swinging for the fences- surely it will be tempting with the short porch. It might actually be damaging if he has that kind of mind set, but Girardi and Long probably won’t let him think that way…

        • pete

          i don’t want him batting second. damon or swisher would be much better in that spot. Grandy’s power/speed combination, out of the #7/#8 spot in the lineup, would be SICK.

        • Dirt

          Then couldn’t you just look at OBP? If you want him on base more…I realize it wasn’t great last year either, but still, being on base would seem to correspond to to OBP, not BA.

          • Andrew S.

            yeah, should have put OBP probably.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Since when is batting .270 considered great?

      It’s not and never has been. However, Curtis Granderson does other things aside from hit for contact that make him a valuable player.

      That being said, is this just an example of the Yankees being too impantient to wait for AJax to develop, or do they really see Granderson as an upgrade?

      Curtis Granderson is most definitely an upgrade over Jackson.

      • Dwnflfan

        Reggie Jackson’s career BA – .262

        So, no worries Andrew S, Granderson’s obviously better than Reggie!

    • Chip

      Dude, last year their were only four center fielders in the league who hit .300+ and none of them had a third of the home runs that Granderson hit. That’s not fancy splits or statistics, you don’t need to hit .300 in order to be a superstar as long as you have power

    • MattG

      Maybe he was injured. A few leetches will fix him right up.

    • Mike HC

      They might consider Slade Heathcott better than AJ and Slade is not that much younger than AJax. Assuming the Yanks will only need one cost controlled outfielder, the other two coming from other means, the Yanks may not have really lost anything real on their future Major League roster.

      • Chip

        Three years isn’t much longer?

        • Chip

          Younger that is

        • Mike HC

          my bad, I thought it was a two year difference. The Yanks could still think that Slade is better, and will replace AJax in the next two or three years. As long as we have Granderson, we can wait, meaning there is nothing really lost in the long term.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      T-R-I-P-L-E S-L-A-S-H

      • Steve H

        But what’s the 1st part of that? Batting average of course. Must be the most important, that’s why it’s first. Just ignore the other 2.

  • Tony

    Not saying it’s the plan, but if this means Melky is in a corner spot, the trade is bad. Period.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Not necessarily.

      I’m not a huge fan of Melky on a corner, but with a legit DH, that scenario is much more foreseeable.

      • Tom Zig

        Well it isn’t much of a difference, you’re getting 30 HRs in CF, while downgrading at the corner.

        • pete

          while improving defense at the corner

    • Chip

      Yeah playing Chad Curtis in left field in 1998 really killed that team.

    • Tony

      If they didn’t actually upgrade the outfield, the trade is bad. They had very good DH and a better hitting OF last season… and it didn’t cost Austin Jackson to get them.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        We have no evidence yet that this trade factors into the decisions made about LF or DH yet. Too soon to tell.

        • MattG

          We know they’d prefer to have Melky relegated to the bench. But there is a budget now, 29 other teams, and not an unlimited amount of options. I am sure they are working on Damon and Cameron.

      • Chip

        No, Damon was worth only 3.0 WAR last season (which was a career year and he’s getting old) while Granderson was a 3.4 WAR last season despite playing in a park that killed his offense, corner outfielders that make his defensive stats look worse and the fact that he’s signed for fairly cheap and in the middle of his peak years.

        This is an upgrade even if we play Melky in left.

        • Tony

          You can’t directly compare Granderson and Damon’s WARs. Give me a break, guy.

          Fact: Damon and Matsui are better hitters than Granderson.
          Fact: Melky Cabrera is barely adequate as a CF. He drops from there in a corner.
          Fact: Damon/Matsui didn’t cost Jackson/Kennedy/Coke.
          Fact: As it stands, Damon/Matsui/Coke/Kennedy/Jackson have been “traded” for Granderson.
          Fact: As it stands, that’s not a good “trade”

          • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

            Fact: As it stands, Damon/Matsui/Coke/Kennedy/Jackson have been “traded” for Granderson.

            That’s just not how to analyze a trade properly. The Yanks turned two guys everyone overrates and Phil Coke into Curtis Granderson. Matsui and Damon have absolutely nothing to do with it.

            • Tony

              Everyone overrated Austin Jackson? He just netted a significant player didn’t he? Or is Granderson overrated? You can’t have it both ways.

              The question is whether Jackson the player or trade chip was worth expending here. My argument is that at the moment this is a downgrade, since we don’t have a LF or DH, and we lost two significant trade chips/depth pieces.

              • A.D.

                We’ll the Yankees have gained 20M+ in cash, which cannot be overshadowed.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                My argument is that at the moment this is a downgrade, since we don’t have a LF or DH, and we lost two significant trade chips/depth pieces.

                Counterargument: The winter isn’t over; there’s plenty of LFs and DHs we can buy to fill those holes. You’re acting like this Granderson trade ends the pursuit of an LF or DH, and it just doesn’t yet. That’s a leap of logic you can’t do.

          • MattG

            Damn, we should’ve just signed Matsui and put him in CF. Cashman is a moron.

          • Chip

            Fact: You like to substitute opinion for fact and pass it off as a fact.

            Fact: You can’t assume that Damon will keep up his offense as he ages

            Fact: Damon is old

            Fact: Granderson is not

            Fact: Granderson’s numbers are awesome outside of Comerica Park

            Fact: You redefined the word “traded” and attempted to ignore that fact to cite a fact that is really an opinion

            Fact: Chicks dig the long ball

            Fact: Damon and Matsui WERE better hitters than Granderson LAST YEAR

            Fact: Matsui can’t play centerfield

            Fact: The Yankees COULD sign somebody else to play left field

            Fact: We’re hearing that Damon may want a 2 year deal

            Fact: Next year’s free agency class is studly

            Opinion: You’re overvaluing Jackson

            Opinion: Granderson will bounce back and be a stud next season

            • Tony

              Granderson/Melky in left or center is irrelevant. The point is that simply jettisoning Damon PLUS Jackson PLUS Kennedy PLUS Coke for Granderson doesn’t make sense. The AAAA spot needs to be improved upon or this is a dumb transaction in the short term and in the long term.

              • Chip

                I give up, you can’t base the success of the trade on what the team does in the future. If somebody signs Damon to a stupid big contract, this doesn’t mean it’s a bad trade. It’s still a good trade and somebody simply outbid us for Damon.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                The point is that simply jettisoning Damon PLUS Jackson PLUS Kennedy PLUS Coke for Granderson doesn’t make sense.

                DAMON.
                WAS.
                NOT.
                JETTISONED.

                You can’t keep including that as fact when it’s not.

    • Mike bk

      scenario to kill ur idea. sign cameron.

      LF-Granderson
      CF-Cameron
      RF-Cabrera
      DH-Swish

      • Mike Pop

        A rotating DH maybe?

      • Tony

        Two things:

        1. I didn’t write “if they don’t re-sign Damon…” I wrote, “If Melky (who is barely competent as a CF, and would be a joke in a corner) is playing a corner, this is a bad trade.”

        2. I’ve seen nothing real to indicate the Yankees will be adding Cameron. In fact, I thought he was almost a given for the Cubs.

        • Mike bk

          then you dont read after the headlines get debunked cause the cameron to the cubs was debunked at least 3 times by sunday. they have soriano, bradley and fukudome’s big salaries and all the scenarios i have seen where they unload bradley they end up with burrell so not exactly removing a huge of salary or any salary at all really. maybe they send bradley to the mets and get castillo, but at that point the interest they had in melky would make more sense to the cubs saving some money.

        • Paul

          Can you explain to me how Melky becomes worse when playing a corner spot. I’m not aware of this rule that players become even worse when playing a corner outfield spot.

          Let’s forget about Melky for now, he was a full time outfielder last year, and as of now he is a full time outfielder this year.

          Basically you are filling the void Damon left with Granderson, which I think is great. But, to make it better. There is still the possibility of resigning Damon. I don’t see why it matters if Melky is in left, right, or center, any way his offense is going to be the same, and its not like he is an outstanding fielder who needs to be in center.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Not saying it’s the plan, but if this means Melky is in a corner spot, the trade is bad. Period.

      So, lemme get this straight:

      Scenario A: We trade AJax, IPK, and Coke for Granderson and put him in center. Melky slides to right. The trade is thus bad.

      Scenario A: We trade AJax, IPK, and Coke for Granderson and put him in left. Melky stays in center. The trade is thus… not bad?

      • Tony

        Holy failed logic, TSJCman!

        If you didn’t get AAAA Melky out of the lineup, you didn’t improve by “essentially” trading Damon and/or Matsui, IPK, Coke, and Austin Jackson for Granderson. That’s a horrible transaction.

        • Chip

          Actually, that’s not a horrible transaction. The fact that the Yankees haven’t resigned Damon and/or Matsui doesn’t mean they won’t. And if they don’t, it could be a precursor to signing Crawford or Mauer next season.

          Also, you don’t need to have a superstar at every position if you can play good defense and have a good starting rotation.

          • Tony

            I didn’t say this means they will or won’t sign Damon/Matsui. Try responding to what I wrote and not what you would have liked me to have written to ease your witty reply.

            Matsui/Damon/Melky/Swisher to ?/Melky/Granderson/Swisher is a pretty significant downgrade, and that’s before even mentioning the loss of Jackson, Coke or Kennedy.

            • Chip

              I’d have no problem signing Damon to be a DH and running Melky out into left field everyday.

              Also, you can’t know what the Yankees will do at either DH or LF yet. What you can know is that the Yankees just added an above-average CFer with good range and a ton of power who is cost-controlled for the next 4 years with the upside of a MVP candidate

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              I didn’t say this means they will or won’t sign Damon/Matsui.

              But that’s 100% what you implied.

              You said that if we didn’t sign one of Damon/Matsui/Cameron/whomever to play LF, thus keeping Melky out of the LF starting spot and back on the bench, than THIS trade for Granderson was a bad idea.

              You’re making the Granderson trade evaluation totally contingent on what happens with the Damon/Matsui/Cameron LF/DH situation.

            • A.D.

              But what actually happened was the offseason came, Damon and Matsui became free agents, and thus today was:

              Melky/Swisher/AJAX/Coke/IPK to Melky/Granderson/Swisher

              which in my opinion is an improvement.

              Of course if the Yankees sign no one else then yes the team has been downgraded from the year previous as Granderson/Miranda unlikely to replace production of Matsui/Damon/AJAX/IPK/Coke

              • Chip

                Exactly. And really, I don’t think Matsui/Damon/AJAX/IPK/Coke were likely to replace the production of Matsui/Damon/AJAX/IPK/Coke. Damon and Matsui are on the decline side of their careers and none of AJAX/IPK/Coke were likely to make huge contributions to the major league club (being a second lefty in the pen or a 6/7 starter aren’t huge contributions in my book)

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          If you didn’t get AAAA Melky out of the lineup, you didn’t improve by “essentially” trading Damon and/or Matsui, IPK, Coke, and Austin Jackson for Granderson.

          WE.
          DID.
          NOT.
          TRADE.
          DAMON.
          OR.
          MATSUI.

          You’re accusing ME of failed logic, but you’re shitting on this trade for doing something it didn’t do and doesn’t logically preclude.

          Gimme a break, Tony.

          What ACTUALLY happened and what you claim “essentially” happened are not related.

          • Tony

            Errr…

            If you make a move and the idea is NOT to replace Melky, you simultaneously decided not to pursue Damon/Cameron/anyone else. That’s certainly a fair point to make.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Unless this deal wasn’t made specifically coupled to an idea of “we don’t need to replace Melky” like you’re portraying by including Damon/Matsui in the “essentially trading” concept.

              It was simply “This is a good deal that helps us; Granderson is a starting caliber CF. If we can get Damon/Cameron/someone at a rate we like, we’ll put them in LF, and if not, we’ll slide Melky over there and deal.”

              • cheddar

                I was 50/50 on this deal until I read that. From that viewpoint, I likey. Thx.

      • MattG

        No, silly. He wants Damon back, or Cameron, or some such thing, in addition to Granderson.

        Cameron looks like an even better idea to me now.

        • Mike bk

          I agree. Add Cammy and either deal melky or put melky in right and swish at dh.

  • dch

    Guys like I referenced above- 3 years from now-Posada and Pettite will be gone. Maybe even Rivera-we will have a 38 year old Jeter and what 37 year old A-Rod-we have 2 years, tops, with the core and A-Rod.

    Offer Damon and Matsui-1 year deals. In 2011-move Jeter to LF

    • Mike Pop

      Yes but you’re not factoring in the emergence of the younger players and future free agent signings. This team – like the past 16 years, is going to be a perennial championship contender for a long time.

    • dkidd

      agree

      this move gives them the best chance to repeat. if ajax turns into a beast (and heathcott is a bust) we sign him in 2014!

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    I wonder if Jackson will break camp with the Tigers.

    Good luck to him.

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      The people who say that he doesn’t have power, need to remember last spring training when he hit that BOMB GS against the Red Sox. Sure looked like he had power there.

      • Mike bk

        i think he will develop into a 15-25 hr guy in 3 years.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          I don’t see that. I say 10-15, max.

  • BklynJT

    To those completely ecstatic about the trade, what do you think of the declining CF defense and splits against lefties? It seems that UZR values are pretty sporadic, so I’m just hoping that the downward trending UZR ratings on Granderson are just a statistical fluke.

    • BklynJT

      Ignore post. FAIL on my part.

  • Marsha

    Hang on to your Save The Big 3 t-shirts. They are now officially collector items.

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      More valuable than the “Melvin in America” shirts?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      New “Big 3″ to be saved:

      Joba, Hughes, and Montero

      • YankeeGaGa

        Sign me up for one of those shirts. Where can I get a RAB shirt anyway???

  • MattG

    IPK needs to be replaced, no? I’m not all that comfortable with Nova/McAllister as the 6th starter.

    What is the status of Gaudin and Mitre?

    • Mike bk

      you were comfortable with IPK as the number 6?

      Gaudin is still under team control so he will go to arb. Ace is still here. Mitre they declined the option but will probably pick him back up. Also plenty of injury starters out there like the Ben Sheets of the world.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        you were comfortable with IPK as the number 6?

        Yes.

      • MattG

        I was actually very comfortable with Kennedy as the sixth starter, but I am equally good with Gaudin. It looks like Kennedy may not need to be replaced after all.

        The Penny contract sets a bar I don’t know the Yankees want to approach, with regards to the Sheets/Hardens/DuchXXXXs of the world.

  • Mike Pop

    Peter Gammons to leave ESPN according to MLBTR.

    He can’t take anymore of Yankees pwnage.

    • YankeeGaGa

      Good riddance..um…I mean good bye.
      Now maybe I can watch ESPN again. Nah, when they get rid of that waste of human life Kruk, then maybe.Maybe.

  • Bo

    Kennedy should have been moved 2 yrs ago. He is why you shouldnt fall in love with the youngsters.

    • Mike Pop

      No, because 2 years ago it would have been for Johan. Therefore that would mean no CC and quite possibly no 2009 World Series champs. Also, it just wasn’t the right trade to make at the time.

      This, this was the right trade to make at the time.

  • 007

    terrible trade for the yanks, we were the clear losers of this one!!
    on the flip side the d-backs and the tigers made out big time!!
    i rather had the better young cfs play every day in the outfield.
    well i guess you cant win every year!!!

    • Chip

      Wow, big news really brings the idiots out doesn’t it?

      • 007

        no not really just dont like this trade! come the end of the year we will see who made out but giving up you top prospect not a smart move at all!

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Joseph Pawlikowski

          The number of exclamation points you use is inversely proportional to how seriously other commenters will take you.

          • 007

            its not like they are going to take me seriously anyway. i just feel if they wanted Granderson they could have gotten him for a lot less. but he is on our team so lets hope it works out.

            • Chip

              People take you seriously if you make logical argument. Therefore, if you cite things such as strikeout rate, increased FB%, ect people will respect you and possibly even agree with you somewhat.

              • 007

                Really i am not arguing stats here, but rather i feel that the Yankees over paid in this deal. i also thought we could give the younger guys a chance to play. but pending the physical he is a Yankee so lets now hope for the best!

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              We take everyone seriously, if they think about things seriously and present their thoughts in a clear and logical manner.

          • Chip

            Not to mention lack of capitalization and lack of any actual logic.

            • 007

              haha i wasnt sure this was English class.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                They send you to English class for a reason:

                To prepare you for life. Life requires intelligent and clear conversation.

              • Chip

                Big kids like to talk in complete sentences and use punctuation correctly. It’s like our secret code so we know you’re one of us.

                • MattG

                  zing u did it!!

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Correct.

            Also, James Bond would not approve of all your histrionics. Play it cool, man.

    • Tom Zig

      The D-backs made out big time?

      They got rid of Schlereth and Scherzer and got back IPK and Edwin Jackson. They are worse off.

      The Yanks made out like bandits. The trade was essentially AJax + 2 throw ins for Granderson.

      • Mike Pop

        Troll.

        • Tom Zig

          2010: AJ Burnett, 16 Wins, 3.80 ERA, 210 Ks

          • Mike Pop

            2.20 FIP

            • Tom Zig

              Knuckles and chest bump

      • MattG

        “The trade was essentially AJax + 2 throw ins for Granderson.”

        And how exactly does that happen, you wonder? For whatever reason, Detroit got it stuck in their heads all the things Granderson can’t do, just like Chicago the year before with Swisher, and forgot about all the things Granderson can do, and do about as well as any CF in the game.

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  • Charlie

    the problem with this trade for me is I think they could have still won the W.S. next year with an OF of Damon/Gardbrera/Swisher. And in that scenario they’d stiill have a good CF prospect that could start out there at no cost for years.

    • 007

      yes now were are locked into an outfield position for an very overrated player. now it maybe melky/ granderson / swisher .. all guys that will hit .250!! again terrible trade!!

      • Tom Zig

        Can we trade you?

        • Chip

          Just hilarious, this is the first time in about a year I’ve seen so many people defend their ideas using batting average. I thought we were all above this….

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            “He can’t even hit .250″ is like the new “Joba has a bullpen mentality”.

    • Tom Zig

      Sure we could have, but this trade increases our chances.

    • MattG

      Or, the very likely fear that preceded 2009, in which Gardbrera fall on their face and Damon off a cliff, surfaces in 2010. I, for one, am very appreciative that the Yankees will not return the same team, one year older.

      • Charlie

        thats why its Gardbrera, not just gardner or just melky. Chances are good that one of them can repeat last year. and if not, we would have had ajax waiting. as for damon, he may fall of a cliff, but hopefully they’d sign him for only one year. And with this trade, there is still a good chance that the yankees will bring back damon, and that he will fall off a cliff

    • http://seedchange.wordpress.com dever

      +1

  • BklynJT

    Granderson HR scatter chart. Wonder how many fly ball outs would now be HRs in YS3.

    http://www.hittrackeronline.co.....catter.jpg

    • Chip

      I’ll predict 37 with Tex at 41 and A-Rod at 54 (what can I say, I’m an optimist)

      • Tom Zig

        but you’re not optimist prime

    • Steve in PDX

      I like the trade much more having seen that chart.

  • Guest

    Love this deal. Dunn might be ready to replace Coke next year as it is. Ganderson is 28 and incredibly cost controlled. Great leverage re: resigning Damon.

    Question: does this deal guarantee that we don’t resign matsui and damon? If that is not the case and we do resign them both, how about this potential lineup:

    1. Jeter
    2. Damon
    3. Tex
    4. ARod
    5. Matsui
    6. Posada
    7. Granderson
    8. Swisher
    9. Cano

    I dont see them resigning Matsui and Damon after this trade, but a fan can dream…

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Nitpick: Granderson turns 29 during Spring training.

      • Guest

        Good nitpick. A player’s age during the upcoming season is clearly more important than his current age.

  • pollo

    SoSH comment:

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    Ian Kennedy. Could Theo even give away Michael Bowden at this point?"

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  • Guest

    Also, lets not forget that Granderson helped get us homefield advantage with that sick catch in the all star game!

  • dkidd

    my gut says they’re still targeting damon or cameron

    i believe melky will be the 4th outfielder in 2010

    • Mike bk

      one does not necessarily mean the other as swish could be the dh.

      • Tony

        Melky Cabrera needs to be out of the lineup for this deal to make sense.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          No, he doesn’t. They’re independent.

          We’d all like Melky out of the lineup, but even if he’s still starting in either CF or LF, this trade makes sense and is good.

    • Reggie C.

      i think Damon’s got to budge from that no-pay-cut stance soon if he wants to remain a Yankee. i think Melky will be the starting RF next season. The talk around Cam is too lively for something not to be brewing soon.

  • Mike bk

    prediction for curtis next year

    .275/.350/.475

    25HR
    80RBI

    • Mike Pop

      I think he hits more than 25 home runs.

    • Reggie C.

      I think the slugging should be closer to .500.

      Granderson could leg out 10 triples easy.

      • MattG

        Not in YS3, where liners off the wall are singles for some.

    • Mac1

      If he puts that triple slash out of the two hole, he’s gonna have closer to 100 rbi.

      I love the trade, especially if he gets his obp closer to 07/08 levels – give him 550 pa – 1/2 taking aim at the short porch in LF and he could be an absolute monster.

      Hope the defensive yips and 3 year downward trend are ameliorated by playing in YS which should be a better park both offensively and defensively for him.

    • Chip

      .285/.355/.520

      37 HR
      90 RBI

      I’m a huge optimist but the slash line is his career line away from Comerica.

  • Charlie

    also, idk why everyone is thinking dunn can easily be the 2nd lefty next year. his control is awful and his command is nonexistent

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      What you lose in control (from Coke to Dunn) you gain in strikeouts.

      • Bo

        At least they wont hit Dunn out of the park every 3 at bats.

    • A.D.

      Cause the 2nd lefty isn’t that important, Yanks went without one for most of 2009.

    • http://www.facebook.com/dougchu Doug

      12 K/9.

  • Marc

    Huge win for the Tigers on this trade.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Yes, but mainly from Arizona.

      • A.D.

        Yeah, I feel like they should have gotten less for Edwin, and a little more for Granderson, though my guess is they’re valuing Coke higher that I because of his potential ability to start.

    • Bo

      Why?

      Because they got prospects?

      What if Scherzer is injury prone and Jackson never hits for power?

      The Yankees got the only sure thing here.

      • Charlie

        grandy’s not even a sure thing really. but detroit certainly seems to be the winner as we can only evaluate the trade at this point in time

      • Tom Zig

        The Yankees got the only sure thing here.

        Indeed, Bo, indeed.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        “Getting the sure thing” and “getting a win in a trade” are not the same thing, Bo.

        Well, they are to you, but not to people who think about things deeply.

      • JMK aka The Overshare

        All kinds of THIS to Bo.

    • Mike HC

      I don’t see it. Jackson who is 26 and Granderson who is 28 are the two best players in the deal. The Tigers see it as selling high but it is possible these guys are just entering/ still in their primes. In return, they get a 25 year old Scherzer who is not nearly as good as Jackson, and 22 year old Jackson who slugged .405 in AAA this past year.

      I like the deal more for the Yanks and DBacks

  • Charlie

    i was gonna buy an austin jackson shirt once he got his number. i guess i’ll never know what that would have been

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      He was gonna ask for #3.

      • http://www.ibleedblueandwhite.com Jamie

        #3?

        I figured it would be #39 + the coke problem.

  • Bo

    This trade just means that now Matsui/Damon get to battle for one spot. And Bay/Holliday wont be using the Yankees for leverage unless the Yankees really love Holliday.

    • Reggie C.

      +1

      What do you think of Shifting Melky to LF, and signing Damon as the full-time DH. If Damon objects to the pay cut, we still got Delgado, Mats, and Thome available.

      • Tank the Frank

        Forget Damon. He wants too much. If you move Melky to LF then just sign Matsui. Then that leaves one less body for the DH spot with Damon gone.

  • http://www.ibleedblueandwhite.com Jamie

    General question to all:

    How’s Grandy’s arm? Accurate? Strong? Weak?

    And have we all agreed on calling him Grandy?

    • Tom Zig

      Better than Damon’s

      • BklynJT

        Weak but Better than Damon’s

    • Mac1

      I’m calling him Melky along with anyone else playing the OF for the Yanks (even if it is indeed Melky playing) – just to piss people here off…

  • Ben S

    Sorry if it has already been asked but how many years are left on Granderson’s contract?

    • Steve in PDX

      3 plus an option I believe. total around 25mil

    • Steve in PDX

      3 plus an option I believe. total around 25mil

  • Mike HC

    Scherzer is already 25 years old and his best season was a 4.12 era 1.34 whip in 170 innings in the NL West. That is not exactly the next coming of Roger Clemens. He may be getting overrated here.

    Edwin Jackson is only 10 months older than Scherzer and put a 3.62 era 1.26 whip in 214 innings in the AL Central.

    It seems like Edwin Jackson in the far superior pitcher and they get him plus IPK, a former first round pick whose value is at an all time low due to an injury plagued 2009. He will be a Major League pitcher. Seems like the DBacks did not come out as bad and Fangraphs made it seem.

  • Hey ZZ

    Can anyone name a single prospect the Yankees have regretted trading?

    • Mac1

      Willie McGee, Doug Drabek, Mike Lowell and Jay Buhner but I doubt I’ll be adding to the list from this trade.

      p.s. Fred Mc Griff

  • pete

    i have never agreed with bo more than in this thread.

    • Mike HC

      Shouldn’t that scare us all

  • Tank the Frank

    IMO…the Tigers got a fucking haul. They improved their bullpen (greatly), their rotation, made off with our top outfield prospect and dumped a good amount of payroll.

    Great move by the Tigers. I won’t even get in to the Yankees. If you’re excited about Curtis Granderson…more power to you. It’s been debated to death. The Yankees are taking a huge gamble. If Granderson continues his downward trend he’ll be increasingly difficult to move as his salary increases year-to-year. This has the potential to be a major bust for the Yankees.

    The right move would have been to re-sign Damon or Matsui with Cameron as a stop-gap in CF until we can figure out more accurately what AJax might accomplish at the ML level…then wait until the 2011 free agent class (hello Carl Crawford).

    But I digress….

    • Mac1

      Its probably not a “huge” gamble for the Yanks (unless the Tigers know something no one else does). He’s a LHH in YS in a big time lineup.

      He’s owed a total of 25.75 mil – its not much different from the gamble they took on Swish.

      The upside however is pretty awesome, even a slight bump in obp makes him a pretty nice offensive player.

      • Tank the Frank

        The Tigers don’t know anything we all don’t know. It’s right there in his numbers. They are all over the place. The protractors of this trade point to the SSS of his 2009 season. Well he’s basically only had two good seasons with which to draw conclusions as well. The only consistency you can point to in his career is his power.

        And it’s much different than the Swisher trade b/c we gave up Wilson Betemit for him, not Austin Jackson +.

        The outcome of this trade depends on IF KLong can work with Granderson on his approach especially against LHP. That’s just a big IF for me, especially given the alternative I outlined above that I’m much more comfortable with.

        • Steve H

          The Tigers made this trade because they also got back Scherzer and Schlereth, of course they made the trade. It’s a great trade for the Tigers, a good trade for the Yankees, and a bad trade for the D-Backs.

          • Tank the Frank

            Basically yeah.

            Tigers >> Yankees > DBacks.

    • Rose

      then wait until the 2011 free agent class (hello Carl Crawford).

      You’re worried about Curtis Granderson…but you’re excited about a much older and expensive Carl Crawford in 2011?

      /confuse’d

      • Charlie

        carl crawford is younger than granderson. and he wouldn’t have cost ajax + ipk/coke

        • MattG

          One year younger. He will cost $70M over 5 years, and he is not worth that. He’s a corner outfielder with a career .772 OPS. .800 or so in recent years. Why is that special?

          He does run fast and play great defense…but Granderson does that too.

          Giving up AJax is a tough pill to swallow, but doing so got a superior player and saved a ton of money. And that money will really come in handy if Mr. Mauer makes it to free agency.

          • Charlie

            why does everyone think that the yanks will go hard after joe mauer? I mean, obviously he’s one of the best hitters in baseball. But he’s got back problems so he might have to move from catcher. u don’t want to pay a DH a fuckload of money for 8-9 years. Also the yankees have a ton of depth behind the plate. if montero doesn’t make it, romine/higashoika/some other prospect will. joe mauer’s a monster, but he’s not really a great fit on the yanks

      • Charlie

        also, crawford has shown absolutely no signs of decline, while grandy has

    • Mike HC

      I agree with you. We could have signed Cameron for nothing. I guess the Yanks feel Granderson, who can be the CF for the next 4 years, is a far superior option to Cameron for one or two years.

      I probably would not have the balls to make this move, but you gotta trust Cashman. Maybe AJax and Kennedy and just not that good and never will be.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        I agree with you. We could have signed Cameron for nothing.

        We still can.

        • Tank the Frank

          Why? Why would we want that now? It makes more sense now to re-sign either Damon or Matsui.

          • Bronx Cheer

            Why? Too left handed a lineup given Grandy’s and Melky’s splits. Matsui is the better hitter of LHP, but the DH-only aspect seems to really be scaring Cashman off. Damon is significantly weaker against LHP, and chances are that his splits will only get worse as he ages. If you sign Damon, you almost have to bring in Cameron on a one-year deal to balance things.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              That.

              Cameron is now the best option for LF, and ONE of Damon or Matsui is the best option for DH.

              We need a righty bat now that we have Granderson.

              • Mac

                VLAD! Fulltime DH, 1 Year, 8 million. Bat 5th behind Alex.

    • Charlie

      agree mostly, but i don’t think granderson is quite as much of a gamble as you think

    • MattG

      I just want to say:

      Granderson >>> Crawford

      although

      Crawford’s contract will be >>> Granderson

      Carl Crawford is as overrated as Granderson has become underrated.

      • Tank the Frank

        I disagree. He stole 60 bases last season. The only place Granderson has him beat is power, and it’s not like Crawford couldn’t knock 20+ playing at YSIII. Like I said that’s the only consistent tool Granderson has shown in his career. Crawford has been much more consistent and is the better player.

        Granderson’s WAR has been all over the map, from 7.4 (his one good year) to 3.4. Crawford has been consistently around 4.5 to 5.5 as a high (except for 2008 when he missed time due to injury).

        • MattG

          No, the only place Crawford has Granderson beat is stolen bases.

          Career OBP: .344 > .335
          Career SLP: .484 > .437
          Career OPS: .828 > .772

          CF > LF
          $37M over 4 years < $70M over 5 years (at least)

  • Rick James (YEAAAA)

    i love to see RAB nerds be upset when Prospects are traded.

    its like someone just took away their calculators.

    • Rose

      OK, this was pretty funny.

    • Mike HC

      Most of the nerds you are referring to actually are in favor of the trade. So your joke/insult is not even accurate.

  • Pasqua

    Way I see it, best case scenario, AJax becomes Granderson. So, they just got the real one instead.

    • larryf

      more likely he becomes Crawford. Don’t see a 30HR year in AJax’s future….

      • Pasqua

        Quite possible. I was thinking more along the lines of avg. and strikeouts than power.

  • Steve H

    This works a lot better if Melky ends up the 4th OF, you can just start him against tough LHP, small dropoff in defense, and big upgrade on offense (vs. Granderson vs. LHP).

  • Charlie

    does anyone know if there are any CF prospects in the rule V? maybe that’ll replace ajax

  • Bob Stone

    Granderson’s number in Detroit was #28. A good omen perhaps?

    • Bob Stone

      He’s also 28 years old as this trade takes place.

  • T-Dubs

    As the day goes on I like this trade more and more. Two minor things I wonder: if Damon resigns who hits in the 2 hole. If Damon doesn’t resign, who hits in the 5 spot?

  • Ivan

    This is pretty solid deal for the yankees. Granderson yes has severe splits against lefties, however, he has potential to bounce back in 2010 in a huge way.

    This trade tells me that their is little chance that the yanks will trade for halladay.

    A-Jax,IPK and Coke for Granderson>>>>>>>>>>Hughes/Joba, Montero and another prospect for Halladay.

  • EB

    i like this deal. for me it hinges on IPK.
    i do believe that IPK will be a legit starter, especially in the NL west. I think theres a chance he’ll become Dan Haren lite
    but he was not in the yankees plans.

    This really is the swisher blueprint. buy low on skilled players in their primes

    • Steve in PDX

      IPK, Coke AJax>>>>>>>Betemit and whoever else it was. Granted, Granderson is better than Swish, but this will not be nearly the steal that was.

  • Damaso Garcia completes the double play

    Good deal for the Yanks if this materializes – believe I mentioned this @ 5 days ago in the Cashman Loves Cameron post(s). I only wish they could have substituted David Parrish for Austin Jackson!

    kidding.

  • Bronx Cheer

    At this point, I think having Damon and Grandy on the same team would make the default starting lineup a little too vulnerable to lefty starters, so I consider Cameron to have a slight edge over Damon at this point. If you sign Damon, you almost have to bring in AT LEAST a platoon quality RHH (i.e., lefty masher) for the corner OF.

    My best case scenario going forward (? Belt and suspenders. Bring in both a starter caliber RHH OF, and a RHH OF backup with a LHH DH.

    Given the “usual suspects” currently associated with the Yankees in the press, this works out to:
    1) Sign Cameron for 1 years
    2) Sign Damon for 2 years
    3) obtain RHH bench player that mashes lefties (I would prefer someone with IF/OF positional flexibility, but that is a tall order. Would settle for a corner OF)

    This gives you the opportunity run out a default lineup of Damon@DH, Cameron@LF, Grandy@CF, Swish@RF for most of the games, and swap in RHH guy and/or Melky into the lineup to protect Grandy/Damon against tough lefties.

  • larryf

    Sterling is working on his calls now:

    A Dandy from Grandy!!!

  • http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/madamsteph/Sports/alg_melky.jpg Drew

    I get home and this is the news I get!

    Awesome!

    Hopefully everyone passes their physicals.

  • BigBlueAL

    Like I said last night (or I guess earlier this morning) this is a no-brainer for the Yankees. Now all of a sudden trading IPK is a bad move?? WTF?? All the fans here who probably have never seen AJax play have a much higher opinion of him than most things Ive read about him.

    Cashman is the man and has pulled off another great move.

  • Joe D.

    I’m thrilled with the deal. Very good player at a great price for a few years. Fungible lefty relievers add zilch to the value of the deal, so this is C-Grand for Kennedy and Jackson.

    I’m not nearly as high on Jackson as many Yankee fans seem to be. I’ve viewed him for a while as Melky Cabrera with a touch more speed and a ton more strikeouts. Now that he’s somebody else’s problem, I can feel good about being truthful: his BABIP-mirage, low-wattage slop won’t play in the majors. Kid has about a 5% chance of being…Curtis Granderson. Good riddance.

    • Brian Cashman is Watching

      Derek Jeter’s career BABIP: .362. Curtis Granderson? .323. They have longer track records of maintaining it, but this point is fairly important: BABIP is used to evaluate pitchers, not hitters.

      Everything else might be right, just can’t let that BABIP reference go.

      • sciorsci

        But .390? Are you suggesting that he’s 8% better than Derek Jeter at hitting ‘em where they ain’t? Sorry, I’m not buying it. Yes, BABIP is more significant in evaluating pitchers, but it can still be used to spot someone who is producing at an unsustainable rate offensively as well.

      • Joe D.

        BABIP is used to evaluate pitchers, not hitters.

        I disagree, sort of. I’m not evaluating him based on his BABIP, but rather pointing out his numbers were boosted by something that looks to be luck more than skill. I simply don’t think he’ll pull off a .370+ BABIP (his career minor league BABIP) in the majors, and I haven’t seen (and haven’t seen scouts note) that Jackson has some Ichiro-like ability to pull that off.

        That’s been a huge part of his game, particularly last season.

        Looking at a hitter’s BABIP to help forecast what one can expect going forward indeed *is* important. Recognizing a BABIP fluke was crucial in stealing Swisher from the White Sox. And I expect Cashman was well aware of Granderson’s dumb luck in that department and made that part of his C-Grand forecast going forward. BABIP can indeed be used correctly to say something about hitters.

    • larryf

      I agree with JoeD. I have seen AJax in Scranton, Durham and Tampa and there is no way to predict what kind of major leaguer he will be. He can fly and has a good/not great arm. Could be 3-5 years away from whatever he may be or he may never be. I love the trade. Granderson can lead off against righties and a great threat for steals and hit and run with Jeter and you can move him down against lefties. We have plenty of firepower anyway. At least Grandy won’t have to face CC or Andy. I believe he hit 2 HR’s in one game at YS this year…

  • Pasqua

    On her updates as part of Michael Kay’s radio show, Bonnie Bernstein keeps saying that Kennedy is going to Det. and AJax / Coke are going to Arizona. It’s absolutely driving me crazy. No one is correcting her. Irrelevant, yes, but grating nonetheless.

  • mike c

    okay, say you now buy Johnny Damon at a lower rate because he now has no leverage. would you trade granderson + hughes for halladay at that point? i say YES

    • Mac

      ahhh yes this must be part of the plan to get johnny damon at a lower rate

      Its all clear now.

    • Brian Cashman is Watching

      So you basically trade Hughes, Jackson, Coke, and Kennedy for Halladay? Don’t know if it would work before, and without Jackson or Kennedy being cost controlled (and Granderson already at seven figures), why would Toronto do that?

      • mike c

        because they get a good arm in hughes & a great outfielder who is making 5m i believe. minus halladay that leaves plus or minus 11m that they could sign a decent FA arm with too. i doubt boston will top that offer either

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