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Recycling headlines is usually a no-no, but that one Ben came up with was too good. Anyway, midnight tomorrow is the deadline for clubs to offer contracts to their players with fewer than six years of service time, better known as non-tender day. Matt at Fack Youk looked at the four players the Yankees might consider cutting loose, headlined by Chien-Ming Wang. I’m really on the fence about Chad Gaudin; he’s a very nice guy to have around for that swingman role, but a potential $3M salary ($4.2M in Yankee dollars because of the luxury tax) isn’t exactly cost effective.

Here’s MLBTR’s list of non-tender candidates, and there’s actually a few decent players out there. Here’s last year’s list of actual non-tenders for comparison. See anyone worth bringing in? I’m prepared to start a “Dioner Navarro for Backup Catcher” campaign if he gets cut loose.

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  • AndrewYF

    What does Navarro do better than Cervelli except eat?

    • Steve H

      Hit. Navarro at his hitting peak is a much better hitter than Cervelli ever will be.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Hit. Sure, he was bad last year, but Navarro track record is world’s better than Cervelli’s.

      • AndrewYF

        I’ve heard he’s fat, lazy, and his defense is horrible.

        Oh, and he’s owed over $2 million.

        Absolutely no chance the Yankees waste money on him. I don’t see any team wasting money on him other than a minor league contract. He’s eaten his way out of the major leagues.

        • Ed

          Oh, and he’s owed over $2 million.

          If he’s non-tendered, he’s not owed anything.

          • AndrewYF

            But if he’s signed to a major league contract, isn’t he eligible for arbitration?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              If he’s signed to a major league contract, he’d get whatever dollar amount the two sides agree to on the contract.

              You only go to arb if you’re tendered a contract offer after your signed contract expires and you’re not eligible for free agency.

              If Navarro’s non-tendered, he’s a free agent, free to negotiate with anyone. No arb, at least not this year.

              • AndrewYF

                Ah, okay. Nevermind then.

        • DP

          Jeez. Did Dioner kill someone in your family?

    • Ed

      Navarro can at least a few home runs?

      • Bo

        Cervelli was a nice story but Navarro is better. And shouldnt Cervelli get a full yr in Triple A and be catching insurance anyway?

  • theyankeewarrior

    Let’s say the Yankees get Sheets at 8M + incentives. That, along with Damon AND Matsui coming back would put the Yankees around 213M for the 2010 payroll. I’m not saying this is what should or will happen, but if you look at these salaries, it give you a better feel for what they have the room to accomplish.
    I’m figuring they want payroll to be as close to 200M as possible, so maybe one of Damon/Matsui is toast. Or maybe a guy like Gaudin gets non-tendered. Feel free to insert Nick Johnson or Mike Cameron also (possibly for less $$)

    Rotation:
    CC Sabathia 23M
    AJ Burnett 16.5M
    Andy Pettitte 11.75
    Ben Sheets 8M
    Joba Chamberlain .5M

    Bullpen:
    Mariano Rivera CL 15M
    Phil Hughes SU .5M
    Damaso Marte LHP 4M
    David Robertson RHP .5M
    Mark Melancon LHP .5M
    Alfredo Aceves RP .5M
    Chad Gaudin LM 3M

    Lineup:
    Derek Jeter SS 21M
    Johnny Damon LF 11M
    Mark Teixeria 1B 20M
    Alex Rodriguez 3B 32M
    Hideki Matsui DH 7M
    Curtis Granderson CF 5.5M
    Jorge Posada C 13M
    Robinson Cano 2B 9M
    Nick Swisher RF 6.75M

    Bench:
    Melky Cabrera UOF/PR 2M
    Francisco Cervelli BC .5M
    Ramiro Pena UIF .5M
    Brett Gardner PH/UT .5M

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      That’s a $212.5M team.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Take out $8MM from Sheets (I don’t think they’ll get him and I don’t think he’d get that much money anyway), it’s down to $204.5. Add in Mike Dunn’s salary ($0.5MM?) and it’s $205MM. Hmm.

    • Evil Empire

      Mark Melancon = RHP

      • king of fruitless hypotheticals

        that’s a great catch. all i saw was Robbie makes 9M…i should go read that again.

      • theyankeewarrior

        Whoops. I think that used to be coke’s spot. Ha he still leaves his mark

  • Evil Empire

    He very well may get better offers, but Jonny Gomes for a power bat off the bench seems appealing.

    • Steve H

      And he crushes LHP. That’s the Granderson insurance, Gomes in LF, Gardbrerra in CF.

      • Evil Empire

        Hey, very good point sir.

        I think I’m officially on the Jonny Gomes band wagon. And he’d be a better DH than Miranda, right?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          I’d be down with that.

          • king of fruitless hypotheticals

            doesnt godzilla crush LHP?

            Sign Hazmat and let Johnny Rocket go back to the Sox–throw him a nice party tho, he made a hell of an impact…

  • Steve H

    John Maine a non-tender candidate? Really?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Not any more, the Mets said they’ll offer him a contract.

      • Steve H

        I don’t see why they wouldn’t. But then again, it’s the Mets.

        • Bo

          The Mets need the pitching.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Did you know Dionner Navarro was an all star in 2008?!?!?!

    • Evil Empire

      Of course. Jorge Posada was hurt and Navarro used to be in the Yankee system. Everyone was like OMG THEY’RE SO STUPID FOR LETTING HIM GO!!!

      • Steve H

        Yup. Even though he was part of the RJ trade, which at the time was a great trade, even if it didn’t work out quite as planned. I know it was the NL and all, but look at RJ’s 2004 in Arizona. Unbelievable season. He should have won the Cy Young but didn’t due to his 16-14 record.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      My retort: So was Jason Varitek.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        I was just mimicking Kay’s incredulous rambling about Navarro this past season. Literally every time Navarro came up, Kay would make a comment about Navarro in ’08.

      • Steve H

        But has Navarro caught 4 no-hittaz!!!?!?!?!?

  • jsbrendog

    would gaudin be willing to get non tendered and sign a contract for like 2 mil for a chance to win another ws?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      Probably not. Would you?

      • king of fruitless hypotheticals

        Yes. Twice on Sunday.

        of course, i wouldn’t make it out of spring training, so I’m probably not the right guy to ask…

        I hope to make $2,000,000 late next year (for my LIFETIME…)…so if I just got a phone call verifying my ring size for my WS ring, yes, I’d take $2M from the Y’s instead of testing the open market.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      I hope so. He and Aceves both being able to go multiple innings out of the ‘pen is rather valuable.

      • Steve H

        Yeah. And if Eiland really helped him with his struggles against LHP, he’d be a great guy to keep around. He has strikeout stuff, and if he can just get lefty’s out at a decent rate, he carries a ton of value. Even more importantly, if Hughes and Joba do go into the season as 4 and 5, having both Ace and Gaudin in the pen is key.

        • Evil Empire

          Also, if Gaudin keeps doing good, he’s a nifty “sell-high” type of trade commodity.

    • radnom

      He might prefer to join up with a team where he has a better crack at the rotation. I would at least, were I in that position.

    • Bo

      Why?

      Hes already got a ring and lets be serious. players have to be selfish and earn as much as they can. Hes not some grizzled vet looking for a ring here.

      The dif between 3 mil and 2 mil is pretty big.

  • A.D.

    Wouldn’t mind some Kelly Johnson or Garrit Atkins on the bench, but presumably they could go for starting roles elsewhere

  • Steve H

    The Astros give Lyon 3/$15, and yet there are several potential non-tender guys who could easily outperform Lyon next year. Unreal. Accardo is an intriguing name to me, more BP depth is always good, and when healthy, he’s pretty good.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      I was about to say Accardo myself.

      Great velocity, but he’s never been able to translate it into consistent success. You’d like to see a higher K/9 rate with his raw stuff.

      That ERA+ year-to-year swing of 77, 206, 64, 170 tells you something. What it tells you, I’m not sure…

      • jsbrendog

        torquemada what?

        • jsbrendog

          hey torquemada whaddaya say is what i meant to type but for some reason my ie froze and only the ? appeared lol

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            I’m sure whenever I mention Mike Cameron, Sal/Bo/Grant/Lanny thinks:

            “You can’t Torquemada this; you can’t Torquemada that, you can’t Torquemada anything!!!”

      • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        I agree also. Some other intriguing bullpen names: Santiago Casilla (big arm, little results so far), Brian Tallet. I’d say Jenks, but is he really going to get non-tendered? And even if he did, he’d get a chance to close somewhere else, right?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          I’d say Jenks, but is he really going to get non-tendered?

          The White Sox just gave Mark Teahen an assload of money, on the heels of trading for Alex Rios’s larger assload of money.

          Those facts mean two things:

          A) There’s no way the Sox can afford to keep Jenks.
          B) Therefore, it’s a mortal lock that the Sox keep Jenks, because they’re totally batshit insane at that franchise, from top to bottom.

          I’d put the odds of Jenks hitting the market at 3%. They’ll keep him, and then trade him midseason for something dumb.

          • jsbrendog

            brett gardner?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              Nah, they’ll probably sell him for something LESS than Brett Gardner.

              • Thomas

                Freddy Guzman

              • jsbrendog

                ::face melts::

      • Steve H

        Look at the innings though. That 64 ERA+ came in 12 innings. Over 133 Al (east) innings, he has a 129 ERA+. Don’t want him for teh 8th!!!11!!!, but interesting arm to look into.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          True.

          I’m on board with the Accardo train. With Coke and Bruney gone, plus Gaudin a possible non-tender, we’ve got room for him in the pen.

          • Evil Empire

            Hell yeah. Let’s call Cashman right now about it!

      • Jordan

        Worth a shot. If he pulls a Veras, cut him.

      • http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/madamsteph/Sports/alg_melky.jpg Drew

        What’s wild to me about Accardo is that in a SSS, he was able to maintain a low ERA while walking a Veras-ian 6.2/9(career high). That shows you that the dude can get outs.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    Brandon Medders? Walks too many guys, but had a 7.6 K/9 rate last year… Meh.

  • Thomas

    Recycling headlines is usually a no-no, but that one Ben came up with was too good.

    You could have always went with “I need your non-tenderness” or “Try a little non-tenderness”

    • king of fruitless hypotheticals

      how about:

      CHICKEN TENDERS!!!

      (so hungry, so hungry right now…)

  • PaaakmaaaN

    After reading RAB comments and going to MLBTR comments, the MLBTR commenters seem stupid to me.

    • JobaWockeeZ

      The comments on MLBTR left me scarred…and deformed.
      /Palpatine’d

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        I laughed.

    • Bo

      They didnt break off into random lame movie quotes on there??

      how dare they not

      • jsbrendog

        you should get out of the news

      • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

        If it pains you so much to read, let alone participate, in the comments here, then why do you bother?

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        You never have anything good to say about the Yankees.
        You never have anything good to say about this site or the people who comment on it.

        Why do you still come here?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Why do you still come here?

          My theory: He’s got two or three more aliases to pull out of the bag, and he’s not leaving until he’s fit them all in.

          Bo: CHECK
          Sal: CHECK
          Lanny: CHECK
          Grant: CHECK
          Bert: ______
          Rob: ______
          Lance: _____

        • DP

          He also never responds to the hundreds of comments questioning him.

          My theory: it’s one of the writers trying to spice things up by inserting a villain.

          • king of fruitless hypotheticals

            its a bot that’s still being tested…

      • JobaWockeeZ

        There’s this really neat feature on this site Bo. You see on the top right of your screen? The box with an X? Yeah you can click on that.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          What if he’s on a Mac, though? You just totally fucked up his world.

          He’s gonna be looking for the close button in the upper right hand corner, but it’s in the upper LEFT hand corner. The button in the upper right hand corner just minimizes the window.

          Sal/Bo/Grant/Lanny will just keep opening up RAB windows and minimizing them, until he’s got hundreds of them in his dock. It’ll take him months to solve that non-puzzle.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Unless he’s on OS X, and in that case, it just toggles the menu bars. Yeah, you’re confusing him too much. Let’s just hope Sal/Bo/Grant/Lanny’s on a PC.

            Probably an eMachines running WindowsMe, I’d imagine.

    • Ed

      MLBTR comments: Analysis at the level of “Trade Melky + IPK for Santana, then put Joba in the pen”, but from fans of every team. All fighting it out at once.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        GRANDERSON SUCKS, HE CAN’T EVEN HIT .250!!!

  • E-ROC

    Dioner Navarro, Jonny Gomes, and Ryan Garko are decent players that could help the Yanks off the bench. Scott Olsen could be signed for minor league depth since the Yankees traded Ian Kennedy.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Scott Olsen could be signed for minor league depth since the Yankees traded Ian Kennedy.

      +1

      Would he take a minor league deal, though? I doubt it.

    • Thomas

      I’d suspect Garko and probably Navarro can both go to teams where they can get more playing time.

    • Steve H

      I agree, though I think most of them will get better offers elsewhere. They are the type of guys who end up being midseason pickups, they’ll go somewhere crappy and start, then get traded to a contender to be backup at the deadline, similar to Hinske and Hairston.

      • Evil Empire

        This makes sense.

        That seems to be the case a lot. Guys will start on shitty teams, and obviously have a contract without a NTC. Cashman deals for them at a time where they are unable to refuse.

        Being on the Yankee bench can kind of suck for a veteran, since playing time is sparse. But that ring on your finger at the end of the year sure does look good.

  • Matt

    What about Jack Cust? Hes a decent OBP Guy and He’s got some nice Pop as an occasional DH type?

    • Bo

      They are looking for versatile guys who can play the field.

      if they go the strict DH route they will go Matsui or Vlad.

      • Steve H

        Well Cust is a hell of a lot more versatile than those two. They absolutely cannot under any circumstances play the field which Cust can. Also, Cust will be much cheaper than those two, which could allow money to be spent elsewhere. I know I’d rather see Cust+Sheets than Vlad or Matsui on their own. Not a direct correlation, but Matsui or Vlad depending on cost decreases the chance of Sheets. There are a ton of DH’s on the market, let’s not overpay for one of them.

      • DP

        Or Delgado. Or Thome.

        Another Bo feature: he knows what the Yankees are going to do. Not what they could/should/might do, but what they WILL do. Bo is short for Brian, you see.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Classic Boversimplification.

    • Steve H

      Cust is intriguing, but he’s had a major slid since his 2007 breakout. His OBP and pop are trending down. That being said he’ll be 31 on opening day, so it’s not an old age thing, and in YSIII with this lineup he would probably have a lot more success.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      If Cust were signed, he’d be the full time DH. He’s probably low on their list and he should be. I’d take Matsui, Damon, Johnson, Thome, or Delgado before Cust.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Agreed. Cust is a decent fallback option, but there’s lots of better DH candidates we should run through first.

        Now, Travis Buck, if he were available, that’s a whole different story. But I digest.

        • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

          I think I missed the boat on the Travis Buck joke.

        • Steve H

          But I digest.

          Not the burrito is it?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Marge: (incredulous) Homer, are you still eating that sandwich?
            Homer: Just two more feet, and I can fit it in the fridge!

  • Steve

    Both Garko and Conor Jackson could make nice fits, as both have some potential and both have been very productive against LHP over their careers. They both also can play 1B and some OF, which would give Girardi a little lineup flexibility, for instance if he wants to sit Granderson against a LHP, either one could fill in nicely in a corner OF slot, with Melky or Gardner covering center, or if Joe wanted to give Teixeira a day off at 1B, particularly if the Yankees are really thinking about dealing Swisher (which doesn’t really make sense to me as the roster is currently constructed – who would be the backup 1B?). Anyway, I doubt that the Diamondbacks will non-tender Jackson, as he’s a talented younger guy whose lack of production last year is due to a freak illness (Valley Fever I believe). Regardless, below are Garko and Jackson’s career numbers against LHP:

    Garko: .313 AVG/.392 OBP/.495 SLG/.887 OPS with 17 HRs, 24 2Bs, and 70 RBIs in 422 ABs.

    Jackson: .297 AVG/.396 OBP/.470 SLG/.866 OPS with 16 HRs, 30 2Bs, and 64 RBIs in 474 ABs.

    Also, I hope that the Yankees hang onto Gaudin – we could really use him as a 5th starter, if need be, or a nice long man out of the bullpen. I also hope that if the Yankees non-tender Wang, which seems almost certain, that they at least consider trying to bring him back on the cheap. His problems trying to pitch through injuries last season shouldn’t overshadow the 3+ years of very solid work he did for the team. I understand his health is a concern, but he’s worth a cheap gamble in my opinion.

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      Connor Jackson would be perfect, but I’ve heard (I think from Mike A?) that the D-Backs are going to keep him on.

      • A.D.

        I believe he’s over the random disease he had and the DBacks are going to keep him

    • John – YF

      I wholeheartedly agree with you on Conor Jackson. Great call. He doesn’t hit for power the way you’d want your corners to, but he makes great contact and gets on base at a very good rate, especially against lefties. Playing him in LF on days they face lefties and shift Melky to CF OR even platoon Conor and Melky since Melky seems to hit righties better anyway. I think this would be a nice fit.

  • http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/madamsteph/Sports/alg_melky.jpg Drew

    Accardo, Maine, Kelly Johnson, Jenks Our own Mitre, Cust.

    Lot of talent there if they are actually non-tendered.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Sterling’s homer call:

      MAKE ME A P-B-AND-J SANDWICH, MOM, BUT CUT THE “CUST” OFF!!!

      • king of fruitless hypotheticals

        MAKE ME A P-B-AND-J SANDWICH, MOM, BUT CUT OFF THE “CUST”!!! OFF!!!

        fixed.

        /grammar’d

      • ROBTEN

        THERE GOES ONE TOUGH CUST-(h)OMER!

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          (golf clap)

          But way too creative and intelligent for Sterling.

  • Mearl

    Atkins would provide a good DH, which big upside, while not costing the Yankees too much. If it doesn’t work out then maybe they can go to Miranda