Dec
01

Open Thread: Henry wants MLB to overhaul revenue sharing system

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One of the rights of the offseason is talk about how unfair baseball is with respect to big market clubs vs. small market clubs, and every so often some executive from a small market team will bemoan the fact that they can’t compete financially with the Yankees. For the most part, the other side of the coin – all of the big market teams that forfeit millions to smaller market teams – never gets talked about, however Red Sox owner John Henry came out and said the revenue sharing system needs an overhaul.

Allow me to quote:

“Change is needed and that is reflected by the fact that over a billion dollars have been paid to seven chronically uncompetitive teams, five of whom have had baseball’s highest operating profits,” Henry responded in an e-mail. “Who, except these teams, can think this is a good idea?”

Henry added, “While the Red Sox are in the 16th largest media market we’ve found a way to be very competitive even though we are funding other teams. At the end of the day, the small market clubs still cannot begin to compete with the Yankees and have a very hard time competing with the teams that are struggling to pay them so much. Consequently, a system that directly impacts competition has to replace the current system, that hoped to, but ultimately did not cure competitive imbalances.”

[snip]

The Red Sox principal owner reiterated that baseball’s free market system should continue and that teams should be able to operate as they please but that those who spend a lot will pay a lot of payroll taxes. “If the Yankees and the Mets spend a billion dollars plus of their investment dollars to build new ballparks, they should be allowed to keep their revenues from that,” Henry wrote. “But if they want to spend $200,000,000 annually on payroll they should be heavily taxed directly on that – and if they want to spend more than that, they should be even more heavily taxed. So should all clubs who spend heavily on payroll – to the extent necessary – to bring the system into balance.”

Ah yes, the poor Red Sox in the 16th biggest largest market have done a great job remaining competitive despite facing such an uphill battle. Great story, compelling and rich. Truly inspiring.

Back to reality. One thing we have to acknowledge is that there are more ways to use revenue sharing money than signing big league free agents. Tampa and Florida have built perpetually productive farm systems through the draft, assuredly with some help of that revenue sharing money. In fact, you can argue this is exactly how the revenue sharing cash should be spent. Building a foundation for the team with a continually replenishing source of talent. Of course, it’s much easier said than done.

Henry also makes a good point about how the current revenue sharing system screws over the Yankees:

“Baseball has determined that the best way to deal with the Yankees is to take as much of their revenue as possible. I see that in direct opposition to the ideals this country was built on. Baseball is a business and should be treated as such. Baseball is also a sport that needs competitive balance in order to prosper. Taxing their revenues and other “large markets” in the way it is presently done, is simply confiscation on an order of magnitude never seen in any industry in America,” Henry said.

As for the perceived lack of competitive balance, I don’t really think it’s a huge problem. By my count, 23 of the 30 teams have made the playoffs within the last ten years, and 15 different teams (half the league!) have appeared in the World Series in that time. Giving the Royals more money probably won’t stop them from wasting $48.35M on Jose Guillen, Kyle Farnsworth, and Willie Bloomquist. At some point the crutch of being a small market team has to be removed, and blame has to be shifted to management.

I’m not going to get into talk about a salary cap, because it’s ridiculous. The reason a cap works in the NFL is because every team can afford to spend to the max. If you want to do that in baseball, you’d have to set the cap at like, $50M. A floor doesn’t help either, it just means small market teams would have to put more money in the pockets of fringe players to make payroll. It’s just not feasible.

Anyway, that’s my competitive balance rant for the day. Use this puppy as your open thread for the night. The Knicks take on the Suns at home, but otherwise you’re on your own for entertainment. Anything goes, just be cool.

Categories : Open Thread
  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

    Tony Peña’s doing some Winter Ball managing

    http://www.puristbleedspinstri.....er-ballin/

  • http://pinstripepalace.blogspot.com/ Brien Jackson

    Doesn’t Henry usually wait until January or so to issue his annual WATB statement? Must be planning on a pretty bare winter in Boston if they’re trotting the excuses out on the 1st of December.

  • http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/madamsteph/Sports/alg_melky.jpg Drew

    /Teix Jinx’d

    Is anyone else a whole hell of a lot less interested in Duchscherer now that he was offered Arb? I guess I should’ve seen this coming but for some reason I didn’t.

    • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

      What ranking is he? A, B or neither?

      • JMK aka The Overshare

        He’s a Type B. Sandwich-style.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        MLBTR says he’s Type B.

        So no, him being offered arb or not should not change our interest in him at all.

        http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/.....ree-a.html

        • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

          Huh. Chances J-Duke accepts?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            He might. He’s probably pretty comfortable in Oaktown.

            • JMK aka The Overshare

              But as a baby’s daddy, I think he wants to see his kid in Jersey more often.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                That’s a good point too.

                Maybe he can sign with the Nets, before they depart for Brooklyn and leave that god-forsaken state without a single professional team.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Hockey: http://www.wordle.net/create

                  (And we do need to be fair here. NJ is not God-forsaken, it is actually the most densely populated state in the country.)

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)
                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)
                • Chris

                  Maybe he can sign with the Nets, before they depart for Brooklyn and leave that god-forsaken state without a single professional team. with only three professional teams.

                  Fixed.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  I spit in the face of basketball. Puh.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  What the fuck is hockey?

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  At least in hockey teams with below five hundred records don’t make the playoffs.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  At least in basketball players don’t accidentally assault their own teammates and lacerate their ears.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Wasn’t Mr. Cuddly teddy bear Shaq invovled in a sexual abuse case?

                  And then there’s Lebron “I don’t shake hands” James, the face of the sport.

                  And Kobe, who I believe was also involved in a sexual abuse case. The other face of the sport.

                • Nady Nation

                  “At least in hockey teams with below five hundred records don’t make the playoffs.”

                  This is a joke right? You are aware that 16/30 hockey teams make the playoffs, aren’t you? That’s the exact same number of NBA teams that qualify for the playoffs.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  I’d reply by bringing up the names of three of the hockey superstars who were involved in some unflattering press stories, but

                  A) There are no hockey superstars
                  B) Hockey players aren’t in press stories
                  C) Nobody (except for the employees of the Outdoor Life Network and the residents of Ottawa, Canada) can name three actual hockey players

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  This is a joke right? You are aware that 16/30 hockey teams make the playoffs, aren’t you? That’s the exact same number of NBA teams that qualify for the playoffs.

                  Good point.

                  If I had the time or the inclination (I have neither), I’m quite sure I could look it up and find oodles of NHL teams who have made the playoffs with sub .500 records over the years.

                • Nady Nation

                  You might be hard pressed to, TSJC, since hockey dedicates a separate “overtime loss” column to make teams feel good about themselves when they lose in the extra session.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  You might be hard pressed to, TSJC, since hockey dedicates a separate “overtime loss” column to make teams feel good about themselves when they lose in the extra session.

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pussy

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Regardless, teams with below five hundred records don’t make the playoffs.

                  Three hockey superstars, this w/o thinking:

                  1. Ovechkin
                  2. Crosby
                  3. Malkin

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  At least you don’t have people complaining that 45 win teams aren’t in the playoffs.

                  Now THAT is pussy.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  The Edmonton Oilers made the playoffs in three straight years with a sub .500 record.

                  1996–97 36-37-9, 3rd, Pacific
                  Won in Conference Quarterfinals, 4–3 (Stars)
                  Lost in Conference Semifinals, 1–4 (Avalanche)

                  1997–98 35-37-10, 3rd, Pacific
                  Won in Conference Quarterfinals, 4–3 (Avalanche)
                  Lost in Conference Semifinals, 1–4 (Stars)

                  1998–99 33-37-12, 2nd, Northwest
                  Lost in Conference Quarterfinals, 0–4 (Stars)

                  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E.....rs_seasons

                  I’m quite certain I can find others if I go further back.

                  My hair is a bird. Your argument is invalid.
                  http://seriouslulz.com/wp-cont.....835750.jpg

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  But WAY less than basketball. Way less. Not to mention you had to go back 11 years ago to find it.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  MY HAIR IS A BIRD.

                  YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Furthermore, basketball probably has teams with losing records making the playoffs more frequently (IF that supposition is true, which you have not yet demonstrated to me in your now-moving argument) simply because basketball teams do not have frequent tie games.

                  If those ties were all played to the conclusion of a win and a loss, there may well be more frequent instances of teams with losing records in the playoffs in this made up bullshit sport you call “hockey” that is only seen on the Spike channel and Versus.

                • monkeypants

                  *But WAY less than basketball. Way less. Not to mention you had to go back 11 years ago to find it.*

                  FWIW, in 2007/8, the Islanders made the playoffs with a a redord of 40 W 30 L 12 OL (that is, 40 wins and 42 losses).

                • monkeypants

                  or even a “record” of 40-30-12.

        • http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/madamsteph/Sports/alg_melky.jpg Drew

          Ah my bad. They get a Supp pick but from us. That was dumb.

  • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

    Hey John Henry is back from the dead I see! The last time he talked was the curse of MT. I love how his Twitter completely remained silent after the Yanks started to trash the Sox.

    So John Henry let me call 911 so you can go on this.

    I don’t recall you bitching when you won with the second biggest payroll in 2007. Now you’re acting as if you are pinching for pennies like the Marlins. You aren’t a small market team.

    /rant

    Now of course some of his points have merit to it and it would be nice seeing the Royals, Orioles and the Nats to stop sucking but as said they need smarter management.

  • Evil Empire

    What does RAB think about Pedroia moving over to SS? It actually sounds like a potentially good idea to me, but … I don’t really know what I’m talking about so that doesn’t mean much.

    If they do decide to go that route, I just hope O-Dog gets offered arb so they’d still be screwed out of a draft pick.

    Actually, where do we find out who has gotten offered arb? Or is that information not out until after midnight?

    • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

      A lot of Sox fans hate the idea. Apparently a couple years back he sucked but that’s when he said he was trying to get “bigger.” (ROFL nice work) So he won’t be as good defensively as a SS.

      • Evil Empire

        Well if Pedroia is only moderately below average (maybe say, -4.0ish UZR), with his bat, I would be very happy if I was a Boston Red Sox fan. All things considered, that’d be quite an upgrade. Obviously you’re replacing one hole with another, but the 2B options are much more palatable.

        If Pedroia is a complete trainwreck though, then you’re worse off than if you had given up a draft pick for Scutaro … and that’s saying something.

    • Evil Empire

      Never mind about finding out who got offered arb, I see the link TSJC posted.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I wonder if they’d flip Manny Delcarmen for Luis Castillo. That deal may be a win-win.

      Sox get a decent 2B without having to give up much; Mets get out from under Castillo’s contract so they can spend money elsewhere and get a decent bullpen arm.

      Meh, probably not enough for Castillo… whatevs.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Ah, nevermind.

        The Dodgers didn’t offer Hudson arb. Boston can now sign him, penalty free.

        Do that instead. Nevermind my rambling.

        • Evil Empire

          Shit. That was what I was concerned about. I cannot think of a better viable SS/2B combo for Boston in 2010 than Pedroia/O-Dog.

          Not that I’m trying that hard, but yeah.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Meh, O-Dog doesn’t scare me much.

            He’s decent, but he’s no Robbie Cano.

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              The fact is that moving Pedroia to short removes the advantage the Red Sox had at 2b, albeit a small one, to try and compete with the Yankees at SS. All moving Pedroia to SS would do is ensure that they don’t have a better player at either position, unless Jeter has a down year and Pedroia an up year.

              I don’t get it.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                I get it.

                The point for the Sox is not to “have a better player than the Yankees at either 2B or SS or both”.

                It’s to have a good 1-9 lineup with good players at all 9 spots.

                They’re interested in building a quality team, not in having more All-Star starters than the Yankees.

                If Pedroia can play either 2B or SS, that gives them the flexibility to add either a 2B or an SS. There are good 2Bs on the market, There aren’t any good SSs on the market.

                Flexibility is good.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  The moral of the story: Advantage Yankees either way.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Yeah, I disagree.

                  If Pedroia can pull off a passable SS, a Sox team with a Pedroia-Hudson DP combo is better than one with a Lowrie-Pedroia combo.

                  (I’m not saying we need to run out and sign Lackey and Holliday to “answer” it, but it’s a better team nonetheless.)

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  The Red Sox may become better, but what I’m saying is Jeter-Cano still beats what the Red Sox offer.

                • Evil Empire

                  “The Red Sox may become better.”

                  Well, that’s all that matters to the Red Sox. The evaluation stops there. Everything else is a fan-imagined narrative of pointlessness.

                  Jeter-Cano is the best offensive 2B/SS combination in the game though, and by a pretty wide margin (thanks to the precipitous decline of Jimmy Rollins)

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Pointless? Not really. I want my team to be better than the Red Sox.

                  Does it make sense to the Red Sox? Yes. Are the Yankees still better? Yes, and that’s important.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  The problem with this convo, RRR, is that your original statement of:

                  The fact is that moving Pedroia to short removes the advantage the Red Sox had at 2b, albeit a small one, to try and compete with the Yankees at SS. All moving Pedroia to SS would do is ensure that they don’t have a better player at either position, unless Jeter has a down year and Pedroia an up year.

                  I don’t get it.

                  … seems to say that since moving Pedroia to short to facilitate a better upgrade of the Red Sox (with a better 2B than they could find at SS) would not make them better than the Yankees, they shouldn’t do it.

                  As in “I don’t get it”. As in “I don’t get why they’d do that, because it doesn’t make them better than the Yankees.”

                  The Sox don’t care if the Pedroia gambit makes them better than the Yankees. They’re just worried about being better than the 2009 Red Sox. Cano and Jeter does not enter into the discussion at all here.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  I see.

                  We’re still better.

                  /Stubborn ass’d

                • Evil Empire

                  You do have a point … we are still better. *On paper*, its hard to imagine the Red Sox coming up with a better opening day roster than the Yankees unless they splurge for Halladay … which I would openly welcome, for a variety of reasons.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Even if the Sox splurge for Halladay, I’m not so sure they’re better. I would guess that would be the only big move they make, which would leave them with a rather old offense.Their pitching staff would be good, but Beckett is injury prone. So while they may have a better 1-2, we may have a better 3-4-5. And still a really good 1-2. And a better offense.

                  If the Sox get Halladay, everybody will overreact. Our team’s stillt the World Champions. We’re not that bad off, considering.

      • Evil Empire

        Y’know, I think that’s whacky enough to work. It might be Delcarmen + a C+ prospect or something but yeah, I think the framework makes sense.

        Still, if I was Boston, I don’t think I’d want more than 1 year commitment to a 2B just to make sure Pedroia isn’t a disaster that needs to be put back immediately.

    • http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/madamsteph/Sports/alg_melky.jpg Drew

      I don’t think he has the strongest arm. I approve this move.

    • Salty Buggah

      I’d like it. If he struggles there defensively again, he loses some value. It all depends on who they get for 2B though.

      • Salty Buggah

        *and struggles defensively again

  • pete

    I agree wholeheartedly, Mike. Market size is, I believe, defined quite a bit more by a team’s history of success than actual location. There are a bunch of HUGE cities with “small market” teams – Miami, Houston, Atlanta, Phoenix – all are around the same size as boston. New York and LA are bigger, but each of those towns have two teams. The draft system allows franchises to build themselves into success, and past success + good management and ownership = continued success.

    • JM

      7415 1/\/ “1337 5P34K”

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Not only that, but market size is only a portion of it. Geography is the other.

      Boston may not be as big a market as, say, Detroit or St. Louis, but Boston is surrounded by a larger and more densely populated ring of suburbs. Midwestern cities are bigger, but are surrounded by nothingness. Massachussets is populated. Michigan is less so.

      Furthermore, smaller costal towns are, by and large, wealthier than larger midwestern towns. Boston’s media market generates more income than larger midwestern media markets, because they can charge higher prices since people make more money there.

      • Ivan

        Basics Economics 101.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          The Moral of the Story:

          Nowhere is worse than Milwaukee.

          • Evil Empire

            Not even Minnesota during April or October in an open-air stadium?

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

              Perhaps.

              My counterargument: Minneapolis has Prince, the Dahm triplets, and Tay Zonday.

              Milwaukee just has cheese, and cheeseheads, and cheese curd-related deserts. Oh, and massive coronary embolisms brought on by cheese consumption.

              Minneapolis >>>>>>> Milwaukee

              • Evil Empire

                I really cannot compete with a guy who knows who the fuck Tay Zonday is, let alone that he’s from Minneapolis.

      • JMK aka The Overshare

        Correct again, Tommie. Greater Boston is not he 16th smallest market in the US. It just isn’t. It’s the 10th.

        And their traditional fan reach is much farther than just that of Greater Boston. It’s the capital of the oldest, most established REGION in the country, New England. Greater Boston covers Boston, Nashua, Providence, Woester and the South Shore, but their reach also brings in Eastern CT, Vermont, New Hampshire, Maine and parts of Upstate NY (near Plattsburgh). As Tommie mentioned, they also have higher earning power in the region, so what Henry said is flat-out misleading. They have a monopoly in the region, one of the oldest teams in the most established part of the country, and a larger metro region than what was said.

        It’s just not a small market. It isn’t.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          The top 30 Metropolitan Statistical Areas, according to the Congressional US Office of Management and Budget (sourced by Wiki, 2008 populations):

          1 New York-Northern New Jersey-Long Island, NY-NJ-PA MSA 19,006,798
          2 Los Angeles-Long Beach-Santa Ana, CA MSA 12,872,808
          3 Chicago-Naperville-Joliet, IL-IN-WI MSA 9,569,624
          4 Dallas-Fort Worth-Arlington, TX MSA 6,300,006
          5 Philadelphia-Camden-Wilmington, PA-NJ-DE-MD MSA 5,838,471
          6 Houston-Sugar Land-Baytown, TX MSA 5,728,143
          7 Miami-Fort Lauderdale-Pompano Beach, FL MSA 5,414,772
          8 Atlanta-Sandy Springs-Marietta, GA MSA 5,376,285
          9 Washington-Arlington-Alexandria, DC-VA-MD-WV MSA 5,358,130
          10 Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, MA-NH MSA 4,522,858
          11 Detroit-Warren-Livonia, MI MSA 4,425,110
          12 Phoenix-Mesa-Scottsdale, AZ MSA 4,281,899
          13 San Francisco-Oakland-Fremont, CA MSA 4,274,531
          14 Riverside-San Bernardino-Ontario, CA MSA 4,115,871
          15 Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA MSA 3,344,813
          16 Minneapolis-St. Paul-Bloomington, MN-WI MSA 3,229,878
          17 San Diego-Carlsbad-San Marcos, CA MSA 3,001,072
          18 St. Louis, MO-IL MSA 2,816,710 2,698,687
          19 Tampa-St. Petersburg-Clearwater, FL MSA 2,733,761
          20 Baltimore-Towson, MD MSA 2,667,117 2,552,994
          21 Denver-Aurora, CO MSA 2,506,626
          22 Pittsburgh, PA MSA 2,351,192
          23 Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA MSA 2,207,462
          24 Cincinnati-Middletown, OH-KY-IN MSA 2,155,137
          25 Sacramento–Arden-Arcade–Roseville, CA MSA 2,109,832
          26 Cleveland-Elyria-Mentor, OH MSA 2,088,291
          27 Orlando-Kissimmee, FL MSA 2,054,574
          28 San Antonio, TX MSA 2,031,445
          29 Kansas City, MO-KS MSA 2,002,047
          30 Las Vegas-Paradise, NV MSA 1,865,746

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....ted_states

        • toad

          Exactly. Just looking at Census stats is misleading. The Red Sox are New England’s team. Big market.

          Similarly, Atlanta is the South’s team. The size of the Atlanta MSA is interesting but doesn’t tell us what their market really is.

  • JM

    The Red Sox do sure whine… a lot.

    • Evil Empire

      Hey, its tough being an underdog in this league.

  • pat

    Giving the Royals more money probably won’t stop them from wasting $48.35M on Jose Guillen, Kyle Farnsworth, and Willie Bloomquist. At some point the crutch of being a small market team has to be removed, and blame has to be shifted to management.

    THANK YOU. This should be the biggest argument against the small market whiners. If the Marlins can win a few rings by being shrewd judges of talent and making great trades then it is possible for any of these teams. Imagine the damage the Royals could do in the draft with the 5 million they spent on Kyle freaking Farnsworth. Even if they can’t resign the kids they can at least have a two or three year window where they’re under team control and producing at high level.IMO poor management is much more of a hindrance than a low payroll.

    • Januz

      The single most important thing in sports is the level of interest, not the size of the market. The classic example is Pittsburgh, where the Pirates are a “Small Market Team” in baseball. But of all American Based teams, the number ONE home attendance belongs to the Penguins (Obviously the Penguins are a “Bigger Market Team” than say the Islanders or Devils, who compete in the number one media market in America). Another example is Rutgers. They compete in the number one TV market in America, and never appeared in a MAJOR Bowl game (Even the likes of Washington State, Boise State or Wisconsin (Not exactly fun and sun party areas), have done that.
      What is interesting, is that in 2009, in all of the four major pro sports (As well as College Football and Basketball) the big boys all won: Steelers, Florida Gators, UNC Tar Heels, LA Lakers, Penguins, and of course, the Yankees. Everyone of those teams (Except the Penguins), generates tremendous amounts of passion (Good and bad). So everything is not simply “The Evil Empire” DEVOURING MLB and sports in general.
      I am sick of the “Small Market” and “Good Of The Game” arguments (Like Harold Reynolds used last night, complaining about the idea of the Yankees, Red Sox, or Dodgers getting Halliday). The real “good of the game” is the Yankees and Red Sox, and the interest they bring to baseball (And TV ratings bear this out).

      • Evil Empire

        Hey! What’s wrong with being an Evil Empire?

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Januz, the way your brain works both intrigues and terrifies me.

  • The Iron Horse

    World Series winners from 2000-2006: Yankees, D-Backs, Angels, Marlins, Red Sox, White Sox, Cardinals. I think I see 2 small-market teams in there. No repeats for 7 straight years.

    No other sport can say that. In the NFL it was the Patriots or Steelers. In the NBA it was the Lakers or the Spurs. Wah-wah-wah from those owners? Not so much.

    I’m surprised such uninformed people get to run things.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      What Henry is saying isn’t “uninformed”.

      It’s just basic corporate propaganda. Nothing to be alarmed about.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      While that is true, it’s also true that the same teams keep making the playoffs year after year, and they’re all high revenue teams. Yanks, Sox, Angels, Cards, Dodgers, etc. There are exceptions, like last years Rays and the 03 Marlins, but generally the rule still stands.

      We all know anything can happen in a short series, but having $$ to spend helps you get through the regular season and into the playoffs. It’s not honest of us not to admit that or try to change the subject.

  • Salty Buggah

    I got 461 points out of 515 points in my Economics course. That’s a 89.5%, a B+, and my professor won’t fuckin round it up when a 463/515 gets me an A-. Why? Because she already has a curve…but that curve doesn’t fuckin affect me. It’s only people with low A’s, B”s, or C’s. She will automatically give them a normal A (DU treats regular A’s or B’s differently than A- or B- when calculating GPA).

    I once lost 2 points because I didn’t have my homework stapled, even though no one ever told us it had to be and it wasn’t in the syllabus/rules. I even fuckin paper-clipped it.

    I have gotten a 95 on every exam and a 95 on the final. So, I’m pretty much going to be penalized for a curve that doesn’t affect me and will get a B because of the lack of stapling on one assignment.

    Bullshit

    • Ivan

      /Rant’d

    • pat

      People still use paper clips? Are you Amish? Salty Amish Buggah?

      • Steve H

        People still use paper clips ?

        • Salty Buggah

          She forces us to. I prefer typing it but apparently writing it down will decrease the cheating and sharing.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          People still use paper?

          Yes.

          What the hell else am I supposed to roll this cheeba into?

          Sincerely,
          Joseph Pawlikowski, blogger extraordinare

          • Evil Empire

            Heh, Joe P. just became my favorite RAB author.

      • Salty Buggah

        No, I was out of staples at home and have to commute an hour everyday so I didn’t have the chance to staple it right before class. I barely make it on time every class because I gotta run from the train station to class, which is 10 mins away.

        Besides, no one told us we had to staple our homework. I dont know who made that rule and when they did.

    • JSquared

      You can dispute your grade when the semester is over. See one of the Dean’s probably a day before the end of the semester and ask how.

      • Salty Buggah

        I’m planning on doing that if she doesn’t change it. And the semester ended last week but I’m doing it anyway.

        • JSquared

          The dean usually goes by the grades presented, not what the teacher thinks about a staple, which is what makes dean’s so good. If Everything is a 95 besides the one exam… even if that exam was worth 40%… you should have a 93.

          • Salty Buggah

            No, I’ve gotten a 95 on every exam but all the homework assignments killed me, even I though I did all of them. The TA was a a bitch and was very strict in grading them.

    • Jose

      Don’t sweat it. That difference between an A- and B+ is nothing on your GPA. You can be just as successful. Take it as a learning experience of insane bureaucracy.

      • Chris

        I disagree. A B- in one economics class has probably dashed his entire hopes of every finding anything better than a minimum wage job.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          My advice is to start drinking heavily.

          Sincerely,
          Sen. Joseph Blutarsky

    • JGS

      it’s times like this where I am thankful for taking science classes where anything above mid-80s was an A

      • AndrewYF

        Amen

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      Listen, I graduated relatively recently. I did well. Very well. And you know what? Employers don’t give a shit that I got an A in economics. Would they have cared if I’d gotten a B+? Really doubt it.

      I’m not saying grades aren’t important –they are– but don’t get bent out of shape about it. You’d be surprised how little people care when it’s all said and done.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

    I’m bored

    • Jose

      Boredom: the desire for desires

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    I don’t see any nice wins for the Yankees yet from the arb decisions of other teams.

    All the Type A’s we should have been interested in (Soriano, Gonzalez, Valverde, Holliday) were offered arb. The Type A’s we shouldn’t have been interested in (Hudson, Polanco, Wolf, Gregg, Dotel, Hawkins) were the ones who weren’t offered arb.

    The only good thing for us: Scutaro was offered, which probably keeps him out of Boston (I doubt Theo gives up a pick for him when Hudson is free, and frankly, Scutaro is better than O-Dog).

    • Jose

      I still feel bad for LaTroy. His treatment in New York was disgraceful.

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

        I wrote a blog post about it and then got a thank you from his PR guy. It was kind of cool.

        • Jose

          Link please?

          • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

            Didn’t make the email public and the post was written in April 2008–you can search my archive if you want. I ain’t.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Meh, at least he was talented enough to land on his feet.

        Morgan Ensberg has never been heard from since.

      • Evil Empire

        His pitching in New York was also rather disgraceful.

        • Jose

          It was bad, but that isn’t a justification for how fans treated him.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            That.

            Hawkins annoyed me just as much as anyone else, but nobody deserves to be booed for wearing a number that’s not retired and is freely and repeatedly issued by the team.

            That’s just ignorant.

          • Evil Empire

            I agree with you sir. Us Yankee fans embarrassed ourselves for treating him so arbitrarily horrible.

            Still, he sucked, and now he’s gone. I don’t dwell on it much.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          Latroy Hawkins, 2008:
          NYY – 41.0 IP, 78 ERA+
          HOU – 21.0 IP, 972 ERA+

          :: head explodes ::

          • JGS

            HOU – 21.0 IP, 972 ERA+ 982 ERA+

            fixed

            and holy crap

          • Steve H

            I don’t even remember him being that good in NY.

          • ultimate913

            What is ERA+? I look up the 21 innings he had with the Astros and he had an impressive 0.43 ERA. I don’t understand how that turns into 972.

            • JGS

              ERA+/100 x Player’s ERA = League Average ERA

              or, ERA+ = (League Average ERA/Player’s ERA) x 100

              • Jose

                That formula needs to multiplied by a Park Factor.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  ERA+ is already both league AND park-adjusted.

                • Jose

                  What I am saying is shouldn’t the formula that JGS wrote read:

                  ERA+ for a player = (League Average ERA/Player’s ERA) x 100 x Park Factor

                  Or am I wrong?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  No, you’re right.

                  JGS was going to explain, but there was too much, so he summed up.

                • JGS

                  get in, break up the wedding, steal the princess, and add park factors. After I kill Count Rugen

    • Evil Empire

      VERY interesting to me that Hudson and Wolf were not offered arb. You can read between the lines and realize that the Dodgers are not going to go after any major acquisitions via FA or trade (unless its for a cost controlled player).

      I don’t think this has any major implications for the Yankees though, besides the fact that there should be one less shark in the water this winter.

      • Steve H

        I don’t think this has any major implications for the Yankees though.

        How about this one……..Manny Ramirez-DH for NYY.

        Boom.

        • Evil Empire

          Heh, I do really like ManRam – I wanted the Yankees to sign the guy before we ended up with Tex … but to me he seems like one of the bigger question marks this season. Certainly the biggest $20M question mark.

          Because his link to steroids is so recent, it does make you wonder. Its not like he was on the 2003 report. He was fucking around in 2008. And then he got caught. And then his numbers went down. I don’t give a fuck about guys who use steroids in and of itself, but the performance-based implications of a known recent steroid user stopping I think is an aspect worth noting.

          Of course correlation /= causation (or whatever that nifty phrase is), but ManRam at 37 just does not intrigue me anymore. There are a large amount of other options more worthy of pursuit.

          • Steve H

            It’s only 1 year. And:

            Manny Ramirez career OPS+:155
            Manny Ramirez 2009 OPS+:155

            Even if lack of steroids sap him of some of his power, the man is a ferocious hitter.

            • Jose

              Good stat. I still can’t believe Manny has an career OPS over 1.000 and has 17 seasons under his belt.

              • JGS

                and he is one of only 9 people to ever OPS over 1.000 for a whole career. Everyone ahead of him is Bonds, Pujols, or in Cooperstown

                • Mike Pop

                  So… what you’re saying is Red Sox should have manned up and guaranteed his options and they could possibly have another WS ring right now?

                  I got it.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Manny just hit .290/.418/.531… and it was a DOWN year for him.

                  A DOWN YEAR.

                  :: head explodes again ::

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Fun Fact of the night:

                  Manny Ramirez has only one calendar year where he had an OPS+ lower than 124.

                  It was his rookie year. He had only 55 plate appearances during a September feet-wetting.

                  16 seasons since then. 124+ or higher in all of them. 14 of the 16 seasons were above 140+.

                  The man is a machine.

                • Evil Empire

                  Jesus. Fucking. Christ. One of the best hitters ever, but we already knew that.

                  I feel like an idiot for not looking up his numbers before I pissed on his 2009 season. He’s probably the surest bet of any 37 year or older players who isn’t named Mariano Rivera.

            • Evil Empire

              Hey, OPS+ does not lie. I was just relying on my stupid memory.

              I stand corrected, and upon further review I am 100% in favor of Manny if we could flanagle him for cheap (prospect wise). Which we probably could because of his insane salary.

              • Steve H

                He also ops’d .991 on the road last year vs. .898 at home, clearly in a pitchers park. I agree, I think the cost prospect wise would be minimal, and like Jamie McCourt’s boytoy, we might as well take advantage of the divorce. The Dodgers would love to shed Manny’s contract based on their financial outlook. I think the odds of this happening are .0000001%, but I’d love to see it.

                • Evil Empire

                  Heh, I think there would be a really special “FUCK YOU, WE’RE THE YANKEES” kind of appeal, having A-Rod and ManRam batting one after the other, making a combined salary of $50M.

                  Just the entire steroid controversy and all of their bad (or just plain weird) publicity, mixed in with their HOF careers. I would take great pleasure in that, it would really turn the 2010 team into one of the most villainous teams since the Black Sox, in an arbitrary-narrative kind of way. I love rooting for the bad guy (as my handle might imply) and laughing in the face of those who bitch.

                  And that’s without even factoring in how fun Red Sox Nation’s reaction would be.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  It would be like rooting for the Bronx Zoo all over again. And that was a blast.

                • Mike Pop

                  And that’s without even factoring in how fun Red Sox Nation’s reaction would be.

                  And there reaction would make it all the more sweet!

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  You know, I was kind of against singing Manny, but I think this has convinced me.

                • Evil Empire

                  RRR, you were around for the Bronx Zoo era? That’s awesome you got to see that shit.

                  That’s a bit before my time, I do often wish I was around to appreciate baseball of the 1970s though.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  Bronx Zoo was the shit. Then George went kind of haywire and fucked with the team until it became shitty.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  On the bright side, in another universe you DID live through the 70’s.

                • Evil Empire

                  In another universe, you still have no clue that there are other universes.

            • Mike Pop

              +1

              I’m all for this!

  • daneptizl

    Holliday AND Halladay… I need to taste Henry’s tears.

  • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

    This speech is boring the shit out of me. Tell me something I don’t know.

    • http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/madamsteph/Sports/alg_melky.jpg Drew

      Eh, what were you expecting?

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

        True. Still.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      There’s a lot of people who voted for Obama who aren’t going to want to hear this. Especially the younger anti-war voters.

      • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

        I’m young and anti-war, and I’m also strangely unfazed by this. I’ve lost my faith in politicians.

        • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

          You had faith in politicians?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            Politicians lie to us because we ask them to.

            The politicians who tell the truth never win elections, because all they have to offer are hard, honest choices and real sacrifice and hard work.

            We elect people who tell us that everything will be awesome tomorrow, and we don’t even have to do any work for the awesomeness to begin.

            • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

              Right, as someone who owns a business every time Congress convenes my life gets a little harder. Which is why some of us started voting for Pols who promised to leave us alone, who then of course didn’t. Which is why some of us stopped voting altogether. Congrats, you win.

              • Hey ZZ

                Yeah. Not voting. That will show them.

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        I essentially fit into that demographic and feel I will mostly be disappointed by the Obama presidency because I doubt his foreign policy–or any one else’s for that matter–will be even remotely different than U.S. foreign policy has been for the last 20 or so years. It seems that most politicians–if not all of them–are foreign policy liberals. It’s gonna be a long time before American FP changes.

        As for tonight, it annoys me, but it’s the reality of the situation. Not increasing troop levels could make the country sink into complete chaos. But, increasing troop levels extends the commitment/occupation even farther, which is also undesirable.

        What I think–’cause I’m such an expert with my two FP classes at UConn–is there needs to be less of a military presence and more of a social, political, and economic presence to help Afghanistan get on its feet.

        /politics

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

          I’m reading Lessons in Disaster by Gordon Goldstein right now. It’s the go-to book for foreign policy war strategy in the Obama White House. A well-lauded study of what went wrong in Vietnam war policy, a roadmap of what mistakes to avoid this time around.

          I’ll let you know my thoughts when I wrap it up.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            I’m Reading The Butter Battle Book, by acclaimed Author Dr. Ted Seuss Geisel. It is a fascinating study of the arbitrary causes of war, the effects of such, and the psychological effects on humanity. It also questions the ideals and morals of mankind, and asks the big question, “Is war really worth it?”

            Fascinating read. You should give it a shot.

  • JMK aka The Overshare

    The Knicks are beating the Suns? Am I drunk?

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      E-A-R-L-Y…

      • pat

        Drunk too.

        • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

          *Click*

          That was either the light switch going on in Pat’s brain, or the click of the key inserted into the lock of pat’s cell door. You decide.

          • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

            Reply semi-fail.

            This was supposedto be a response to pat, but under his post “Wait a second…:

            • pat

              NONE OF YOU SEEM TO UNDERSTAND I’M NOT LOCKED IN HERE WITH YOU, YOU’RE LOCKED IN HERE WITH ME

              (Throws fryer basket full of oil on RRR)

              • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                WTF is a fryer basket of oil doing in a jail cell?

                • pat

                  We were in the chow line, I broke the glass with my elbow reached in and grabbed it.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  There’s a book in here somewhere.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                  Wait, fryer baskets have holes in them.

                  They look like this.

                  http://www.bombayharbor.com/pr.....Basket.jpg

                  If you threw a fryer basket full of oil at someone, 95% of the oil is staying in the fryer. Fryer baskets are designed to NOT transport oil from one place to another.

                • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

                  This will make one hell of a book.

                • pat

                  Not if the fries were still in it. Why would an empty basket be in the fiyer?

                • pat
                • Evil Empire

                  It did make a helluva book. Or a graphic novel, technically: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Watchmen

                  No matter what you want to call it, Watchmen is a terrific piece of literature.

    • ultimate913

      Fuck 2012. I think the world is ending today! My Mo. How the hell is this happening?

  • Mike Pop

    I just missed out on free Nets tix by 6 seconds! Arg!!!!!

    • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

      Congratulations!

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        You beat me to it.

        I believe attending a Nets game does meet New Jersey state requirements for mandatory community service as part of your garden variety indecent exposure misdemeanor. That’s why pat is at Nets games all the time.

        • JMK aka The Overshare

          I went to one about a week ago after work. Made sure to bring a flask. It’s like watching a bad romantic comedy.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            It’s like watching a bad romantic comedy.

            Devin Harris – Luke Wilson
            Terrence Williams – Mark Ruffalo
            Robin Lopez – Jennifer Aniston
            Rafer Alston – Lake Bell
            Kiki Vandeweghe – Sam Neill

            • Rocky Road Redemption (formerly RAB poster)

              Actually, I kind of liked that movie.

        • pat

          Wait a second…..

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist
      • Mike Pop

        Anytime it’s free it is a good thing.

        Except for the time I got a free hj from that tire salesman.

        /JGS’d

        • Mike Pop

          Anytime it’s free it is a good thing.

          Except for the time I got a free hj from that tire salesman.

          /JGS’d
          JMK’d

          • JGS

            I read that first comment and was confused

            • JMK aka The Overshare

              I’m rubbing off on you. Literally. Take a shower.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

                I’d recommend steel wool and bleach.

  • T-Bird

    Just thinking out loud – I smell a beantown wharf rat – Would it be possible that Henry is expecting a huge jump in payroll due to some big name signings this winter? Also seems likely that he realizes the Yankees are doing a good job reduing payroll while staying VERY competitive. I wonder what “changes” he has in mind, and how they will continue to favor the Sawx and screw the Yanks?

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      No, I think he’s trying to set the terms of debate for the upcoming negotiations with the MLBPA after next season. Consider it the first salvo of that looming war. Clearly, he wants changes to the current labor agreement, ones that the Union may very well support. This is clearly directed at other owners, so this is an attempt to get them unified in advance on the Labor agreement.

  • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

    “Henry added, “While the Red Sox are in the 16th largest media market we’ve found a way to be very competitive even though we are funding other teams.”

    This is the most important thing Henry said. Baseball welfare isn’t the answer for small market clubs, growing their revenues is. If an owner thinks he cant expand his revenue base any further, he should look at some of the teams who have done just that, and how they did it.

    • http://www.theyankeeuniverse.com/ The Artist

      One thing we have to acknowledge is that there are more ways to use revenue sharing money than signing big league free agents. Tampa and Florida have built perpetually productive farm systems through the draft, assuredly with some help of that revenue sharing money. In fact, you can argue this is exactly how the revenue sharing cash should be spent

      I thought this was the most important point that Mike made. When done right, revenue sharing can work. But the system we have now has a ceiling, but no floor.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Or, in lieu of the Mauer/Twins convo we were having earlier, I point you again to the story of the Detroit Tigers.

        Despite having a DECLINING market in terms of population, the Tigers moved from a 40-60M payroll, small-market also ran to a 100M+ payroll, big market big spender in the matter of a few years, by simply

        A) building a new state of the art ballpark that people want to go to and
        B) spending money to get a good team that people want to support.

        Now, they may have overextended themselves and gotten in a financial bind where they won’t be flexible or good for a year or two and may have to sell some pieces off, but they’re not going all the way back down to a 40M payroll ever again. They’ve established themselves. They spend money and continue to do so (i.e. bonus money for Porcello and the like).

        Also, the Mariners, the Rockies, etc.

        Lots of small market clubs have realized the simplest maxim in business: You have to spend money to make money.

        • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          “Or, in lieu of the Mauer/Twins convo we were having earlier, I point you again to the story of the Detroit Tigers… Lots of small market clubs have realized the simplest maxim in business: You have to spend money to make money.”

          This is the most important point, and it’s also very relevant when people talk about restraining the Yankees’ financial advantage. I wrote the stuff below elsewhere (in a comment in response to Joe Posnanski’s post about the Yankees’ financial advantage) but I think it’s relevant to this discussion… People need to understand that when they’re talking about restraining the Yankees they’re talking about restraining an organization because it has been too successful, not because it enjoys some innate advantage. Other clubs can do what the Yankees (and the Red Sox and other teams) have done, which is to build their brand and build their on-field, and financial, success. All these arguments for restraining the Yankees seem to be built on this premise that the Yankees enjoy some innate advantage that other clubs can’t compete with, but history shows this premise to be false. Restraining the Yankees wouldn’t be righting some natural wrong, it would be punishing one party for being too good at what it does.

          Here’s part of what I wrote:

          The Yankees do not spend, and have, the most money simply because they wear the pinstriped uniforms and play in the Bronx and call themselves the Yankees. When George Steinbrenner bought the team in 1973 he (and his fellow investors) paid $10 million for it. In 1998, with the Yankees in the middle of a successful run, the Yankees had the second highest payroll in the game. In 1990, the Yanks had the 4th highest payroll (and were within $1 million of the five teams right behind them), and I assume the Yanks have been near the top of the payroll standings since the 70s… But their payroll advantage, until the 2000s, was certainly not as significant as it is today.

          The point being… The Yankees do not have an advantage simply because they exist, but because they’ve BUILT that advantage over the last 15 years or so. There have been plenty of studies done (see: Horowitz – If You Play Well They Will Come—and Vice Versa: Bidirectional Causality in Major-League Baseball; and Noll: Attendance and Price Setting, among many others) to confirm for us something very intuitive and simple – if you build a winning team and provide a winning experience, fans will buy tickets to your games and watch your team on television and buy jerseys and hats and videos of your triumphs. Unfortunately for Yankees detractors, that rule holds true whether your team wears an interlocking NY on your hat or some other logo.

          Now, none of this is to say the Yankees didn’t have SOME sort of advantage from the start. They DO play in NYC, they do have a lot of history… But they also had those things before the 2000s (and other teams exist in NY that do not enjoy such a financial advantage, whether they exist in sports without salary caps, like the Mets, or even in the salary capped sports – just look at history before the institution of those caps), and their payroll advantage, if it existed, didn’t grow to outsized proportions until the 2000s. What happened? They invested shrewdly and pressed their advantages. They built a winning product and never looked back, building a television network and a (ridiculous) new stadium on the back of that winning product. And, in the end, they built themselves a very nice financial advantage.

          • JMK aka The Overshare

            All kinds of THIS.

          • Evil Empire

            Mondesi, I read that Posnanski article just the other day, and that is a really good reply to it. Props for cutting through the bullshit, accurately and succinctly stating why the Yankees’ payroll is what it is. I always knew argument you stated in the back of my head, but could never could put it quite so eloquently. Its really all common sense.

            Baseball is like life; its survival of the fittest. No one can begrudge the Yankees for spending the most or winning the most. Not to mention, they are a big part of subsidizing the rest of the league, which to me always seems like it should an automatic argument-ender.

            What have the Royals done for the Yankees lately? Y’know, besides lay down and take it on the field for the past decade.

            • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              Thanks… The thing is… I think people can still pine away for a cap or some other way to reign in the Yankees… I just think we have to be honest about what we’re talking about here. Comments like John Henry’s are built on a faulty premise – that the financial issues are totally dependent on market size (and, as TSJC noted, his numbers are fishy, to be kind). He, and other people, try to frame the argument that way because it serves their purposes – to punish one organization (the Yanks). But the Yankees don’t have their financial advantage because they just, like, do… They have their advantage because they built their advantage. I just wish we could cut through all the bullshit and have this conversation honestly, without the partisan bias built in.

              • http://threequarters.cementhorizon.com/archives/kool%20aid%20man.bmp The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                Eh, I misspoke a bit there. Of course part of their advantage is their built-in, NY advantage. But that part of the advantage isn’t nearly as big as the detractors would have you believe, is the point.

              • Evil Empire

                Sure, people can bitch and moan for a cap, but I’d like to think any intelligent human being who can appreciate a job well done when he sees it would find no reason to further inhibit the Yankees. Any intelligent capitalist, at least.

                No one acknowledges how the Yankees generate so much money. They just take it as a given that they have it, and that’s all that matters.

                Its almost like the reverse of the Royals or Pirates, where the failures of the organization have been excused because they do not spend as much money on their product. The ineptitude of the organizations are covered by their financial restraints, which is a vicious circle.

  • JMK aka The Overshare

    Amare is so overrated.

    • Ivan

      Always has. Consider this, Amare a PF, avg less than 9 Rebs per game. Not cool.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    Who else is excited for Scrubs?!

    • JGS

      me!

      I’m a first year med student–this is going to be awesome

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Haha, nice. Where are you going to Med School? My cousin graduates from the UConn’s in the spring.

        • JGS

          SUNY Downstate

  • Ivan

    I know the Suns play no defense but the Knicks are putting on an offensive clinic. By the way, did you see my dude Gallinari putting it work. Im kinda hyped lol.

  • pat
    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      McCroskey: Mrs. Ouver, Your husband and the others are alive, but unconscious.
      Johnny: Just like Gerald Ford.
      McCroskey: Now, there’s a chance we can save them, if Stryker can
      get that plane down in time.
      Mrs. Ouver: That isn’t much of a chance, is it?
      McCroskey: I don’t know, I don’t know, but we’re doing everything
      we can. Now, please excuse me.
      Johnny: (pause) Where did you get that dress? Its awful… and
      those shoes, and that coat, jeeeeeeezz.

    • http://www.puristbleedspinstripes.com Rebecca-Optimist Prime (Optimovelist Primus)

      SYRACUSE!!!!

  • Yardisiak

    16th biggest market? The lowest I can find the Boston TV market ranked on any online source is 7th.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T.....ical_areas

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      Well, Boston proper is only the 20th biggest city in the US.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.....population

      I’m sure Henry’s using some arbitrary midpoint non-metropolitan area list to make believe that the Boston market is smaller than, say, Columbus OH or Indianapolis, IN.

      Whatevs. He’s obviously cooking the books.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Some numbers:

        Boston, city proper: 620,535, 20th biggest
        Boston Urban Area (Census): 4,032,484, 7th biggest
        Boston-Cambridge-Quincy, Core Based Statistical Area (OMB): 4,522,858, 10th biggest
        Boston-Worcester-Manchester Combined Statistical Area (OMB): 7,514,759, 5th biggest

  • Ivan

    GALLINARI!!!!!!

  • zoudini

    Now that he didnt get arb, is Bedard a possibility? I mean best-case scenario he’s BattleCat redux for the next 10+ years right?

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      No, it ain’t happening.

      • zoudini

        which part? signing him? or best-case scenario? (good sir, at least gimme an explanation)

        • JMK aka The Overshare

          I don’t believe the Yankees will sign him. He’s expressed his distaste for larger markets and of the injury-concern FA’s, Harden and Sheets offer more.

          Absolute best-case scenario: Fringe #1, really good #2. He has the stuff, no question (or did). Most likely to happen? Injury-prone mid or back rotation starter. Wild prediction: he’ll be out of baseball in three years.

          Baltimore really fleeced the Mariners in that trade.

  • Ivan

    YO Gallinari just the shit out of that Sun player.

    You see that Tommie lol.

    • Ivan

      Just J’d the shit out of one of the sun players.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Missed it. Not watching at the moment, I’ll catch the recap.

        That;s good shit, though.

  • Salty Buggah

    OK, I made myself sound like a whiny bitch. I just got a reply to my email rant (though I tried not to make the tone of the email seem like I’m pissed) and my economics professor said that her calculations say that I got exactly a 90%. I guess she didn’t update the grades or something. So now, I don’t get just an A-, I get basically a full 100% because of her curve. Awesome!

    • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

      High five!

    • JGS

      nice!

    • http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/madamsteph/Sports/alg_melky.jpg Drew

      haha. It’s sick when things work out.

    • Jose

      Not to be preachy, but hopefully you learned something out of the ordeal. There are multiple lessons from the experience.

  • Ivan

    What a block by Gallinari. What a game from the Knicks.

    • Reggie C.

      Galli’s back can’t be too bad if he can react that quick.

  • ultimate913

    Darren Oliver anyone? Angels didn’t offer arb so no picks will be lost. Although he’ll command more than he is worth at age 39, after having a career year with a 2.71 ERA. What do you guys think? Signing him sounds perfect? or is signing him too risky for your liking? or are Marte and Coke enough lefties to have in the pen?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      I like Oliver, but he’s probably not enough of an upgrade from Coke to be worth the money, and he’s not good enough to take the vaunted 8th by himself and get out both lefties and righties.

      Roll with Marte and Coke, supplement with Dunn or WDLR as necessary.

      • Evil Empire

        But just think of how highly Joe Buck will think of the Yankees if Darren Oliver was on the team.

  • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

    So Mikey C. wasn’t offered arbitration. It makes even more sense to get him now. Do. It. Cash.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      Who wins in a streetfight, Damon or Cameron?

      • http://bronxbaseballdaily.com Matt ACTY/BBD

        Damon’s fucking nuts, so I’ve got him.

      • AndrewYF

        Damon’s got such a weak throwing arm, he probably punches like a girl too.

    • Evil Empire

      I’m all for Cameron, but he was a Type B so it doesn’t really matter if he was offered arbitration on not, right? Its one less option for Cameron though, so that’s good.

      I think you can argue the Yankees are one of his likeliest destinations. The Yankees have the need, they proved they were interested in him last year, and he hasn’t given them a reason with his 2009 campaign to change their mind about how they evaluate him in the short-term.

      Buster Olney’s blog today was actually mainly about Mike Cameron and his desire to join a contender. The money quote straight from Cameron:

      “I feel like I can play [CF] with the best of them. At the same time, you have to understand if you want to be in the right spot, [moving to corner outfield] might be an option you want to take. … I’m just trying to get in the right spot to get in the playoffs.”

      So the dude seems to have the right attitude it would take for him to accept his role as a Yankee. I would peg him for 140 games in the regular season if we signed him, so he wouldn’t even take a significant hit in playing time. Honestly, if this seems like as good of a fit as it does to schmucks like me, I would have to think Cashmoney knows what the fuck is up too.

  • Will

    Talk about bullshit. Henry’s heartfelt quotes about the how the Yankees are being cheated by revenue confiscation expose his true motives. He increasingly sees the Red Sox as more of a business and wants to be able to make more money off of them.

    Henry basically wants to have his cake (unshared revenue) and eat it too (have a structural excuse for not spending). In other words, Henry wants a system that basically favors large market teams that prioritize making money over winning ballgames. What he doesn’t address is what happens when the large market clubs stop spending above the luxury caps (like all but the Yankees have essentially done). Not only would the smaller markets lose the tax money, but they’d also be without the revenue sharing all while having to spend more because of the guaranteed percentage of revenue promised to the players. Of course, we shouldn’t be surprised by Henry’s thinly veiled hypocrisy because his team ranks relatively low in terms of payroll as a percentage of revenue.

    It’s amazing that Henry can continually get away with this nonsense without being called on it.

    As for the a salary cap, anyone who advocates it in baseball really needs to study how it is applied in the NFL first. Close scrutiny would reveal that there are so many loopholes in the salary cap and floor that it is really a sham.

  • Esteban

    Did you guys say something? I’m too busy watching Angels strut down runways.

    • JMK aka The Overshare

      The internet exists (almost solely) for porn; why watch basic cable? They don’t even get naked!

      And holy lord do the Black Eyed Peas stink.

      • Esteban

        SO i guess you’re watching too then. A)It’s in HD B) I don’t know if watching porn in my living room with my parents around would really be acceptable.

        • JMK aka The Overshare

          I turned it on after reading your post. I saw a minute of Fergie (butterface) and turned it off. Terrible.

          Of course you’re not just going to fap in the living room. You obviously have a computer. Wait it out. They’re old. They’ll go to bed. THAT’S WHEN YOU STRIKE!!!

  • ultimate913

    “Marc Carig of the New Jersey Star-Ledger reports that if any free agents are curious about playing for the Yankees, Derek Jeter says they’re welcome to call and ask him any questions they might have. Jeter could save himself some time by simply mailing every prospective free agent a picture of his hand wearing five World Series rings.”

    LOL! My respect for Jeter just went +2.

    • Evil Empire

      Random note:

      RE: Revenue gained from Hideki Matsui

      This is something Buster Olney wrote in his blog today, as a follow up to his recent Matsui tweet:

      “Heard this: Yes, the Yankees have signs in their ballpark that were sold after Hideki Matsui joined the team, and yes, a lot of Yankees gear is sold internationally. But the amount of money that the team makes because of Matsui’s marketability has always been very overrated and will not be a factor as the Yankees discuss a possible return for the respected veteran. If Matsui departs and the Yomiuri Giants sign at Yankee Stadium is not renewed, well, the Yankees will just sell the space to another company; there is a line of companies prepared to fill the signage space. If Matsui departs and fewer tickets are used by fans from Japan, well, somebody else will acquire the tickets; the ballpark has been mostly sold out in Matsui’s time with the team. The Yankees hats and shirts that are sold overseas are popular sellers, but keep in mind that the team’s slice of those sales is 1/30th — per Major League Baseball’s licensing agreement. So when the Yankees negotiate the possible return of Matsui or Johnny Damon, or the possible signing of a veteran replacement, it will be about landing the right player at the right place.”

      http://insider.espn.go.com/esp.....ney_buster

      • Evil Empire

        New post fail.

        Didn’t mean this as a reply.

  • http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/madamsteph/Sports/alg_melky.jpg Drew

    I didn’t realize how good of a year Lyon had. I think he’ll be looking for too much but I wouldn’t mind Cash taking a run at him.

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