Yanks’ farm system again ranked middle of the pack

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At SI.com, Baseball America’s John Manuel posted his personal rankings of the best and worst farm systems in the game. The Rangers and Rays top the list, while the Astros and Cardinals bring up the rear. The Yankees come in somewhere in the 6-15 range, which is better than last year’s ranking of #15 (assuming they’re not #15 again). The Yanks did graduate some talent this year (David Robertson, Al Aceves, Phil Coke), but they had a few players really break out (Jesus Montero, Ivan Nova) while adding some nice pieces via the draft (Slade Heathcott, Graham Stoneburner), so it’s no surprise they’ve inched up a bit.

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  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    …while the… Cardinals bring up the rear.

    Brett Wallace, Clayton Mortensen, Shane Peterson, Chris Perez, and Jess Todd, we hardly knew ye.

  • King

    Who cares what they think, they are constantly wrong and horribly bias.

    John Manuel is a joke as are the others there.

    All I have to say is Jesus Montero and what they said about him early on.

    BTW for those that don’t know they pretty much only care about what’s going on in AAA and AA so if a team like the Yankees who have a ton of talent spread out throughout the farm it doesn’t mean much to them.

    • Lanny

      Can Montero catch a few seasons in the majors first?

      And yea BA is more concerned with high end talent on the Double A level than rookie leagues.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        And yea BA is more concerned with high end talent on the Double A level than rookie leagues.

        As they should be.

        • Steve H

          Bird in the hand.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

            One Nick Swisher in the hand beats two Nick Swishers in the bush.

            • Steve H

              I bet Nick Swisher would rather be in the bush than the hand though.

            • jsbrendog

              nick swisher loves bush

              • Steve H

                bush loves Nick Swisher.

                • king of fruitless hypotheticals

                  Not only is George Bush a huge baseball fan, NO, LANNY, he can’t catch a few seasons in the majors, otherwise he isnt eligible for inclusion in the farm system.

        • Andy in Sunny Daytona

          And yea BA is more concerned with high end talent on the Double A level than rookie leagues.

          Except, of course, when it comes to the Red Sox. Westmoreland and Kelly (who is THE most overrated prospect in baseball. PERIOD) get specifically mentioned.

          • Steve H

            And Lars Anderson, before he was a complete failure in…………you got it AA!

          • Evil Empire

            Andy, you seem to know your shit about the minor leagues. Its nice to hear you say Westmoreland and Kelly are the most overrated prospects in baseball.

            • radnom

              I think he said Kelly was overrated (just interpereting his english).

              And I would agree with that–I think Wesmoreland is solid though, but still so far away that anything could happen.

            • Andy in Sunny Daytona

              I’m not saying that neither of them will make the majors, I’m just saying that are a few years away from being any sort of impact. But the way their names are thrown around in the rumor mills, you would think that they were the next Babe Ruth and Ted Williams. (It’s up to you to decide who is who)

              • TheLastClown

                Kelly would have to be Ruth right? What with the possibility of being a hitter or pitcher?

                But while Ruth was good at both, but legendary at hitting, Kelly’s got got pitching potential & a terrible bat.

          • AndrewYF

            It’s not actually a good thing when most of your number 1 prospect’s value is purely projection, and is in A-ball.

            And Westmoreland put up good numbers, but in SHORT SEASON A BALL. Are there even any premiere pitching prospects in that league? It’s a humongous jump in talent from the Penn league to the Florida State League.

            With Yankees having good-to-premeire talent in the two higher leagues, how can anyone rank the Red Sox’s farm over theirs? What happened to overvaluing high-floor players who are a very good bet to contribute to the major leagues? Did that go out the window now that it’s the Yankees who have more of that?

  • http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d80/madamsteph/Sports/alg_melky.jpg Drew

    6-15 is great for a WS Champ and perennial contender imo.

    How bout Philly though? #4, dayummm.

    JP Ricciardi & Co really did a number on Toronto. Not only do they suck at the Major League level, they nearly have the worst farm in the game. How is that even possible when you never win?

    • Steve H

      6-15 is great for a WS Champ and perennial contender especially when you consider the picks they gave up last year to sign their type A’s. It’s very unlikely they’ll be signing multiple type A’s in one offseason again anytime soon, so as long as they draft well they should be able to move up on the rankings. To lose those picks and actually improve your farm system is a very strong sign.

  • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

    Hah I thought the Mets would be in the rear. Oh well.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

      (fighting the urge to work blue)

  • Lanny

    Gerrit Cole would have looked good the past 2 yrs in the system.

    And the Yankees should always have a top 15 system with their ability to add talent via international signings and high end talent later in the draft.

    • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

      ..So let me get this straight. The prospects the Yankees DON’T get would have “looked nice” while the good ones we already have are overrated?

      • Steve H

        Remember, the grass IS always greener in Lanny’s world.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    The Astros are like the Knicks of baseball.

    Locked into bad contracts of declining, overpaid vets; no young help in sight, not good enough to contend but not bad enough to land the elite talent in the draft.

    Unfortunately, there’s no Staples Easy Button in Houston to push to make LeBron show up and solve all your problems.

    • Zack

      Except atleast the Knicks made a change and realized they had to get out of bad deals, Houston always turns down trades for their old vets because somehow they think they have a chance.

      • Angelo

        So true

  • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

    I’m a-OK with middle of the pack. If the Yanks can graduate just a few young players, they have the checkbook to supplement via free agency and still remain competitive. What a lot of people forget is that when the Yanks’ farm system was ranked top of the heap back in the early 1990s, it got that way because the team was awful for a few years. I’m happy to trade up to a perennial contender with high payroll and mid-ranked farm system from league punching bag with high draft picks and top-ranked farm system.

    • Salty Buggah

      Agreed

    • Evil Empire

      The way the farm is shaped works very well for the Yankees considering it is middle of the pack. We have solid pitching and a few high upside, up-the-middle position players. That’s all a team like us needs, a constant influx of pitchers we can call up or trade, and every once in a while a quality position player to look forward to. Anyone that sticks in the bigs is great because it lets us refocus our assets elsewhere, and anyone who doesn’t make it barely makes a dent in the big league team’s performance because the Yankees can compensate for it accordingly.

      If Montero sticks as a catcher though, the ripple effect is pretty huge for the Yankees. They’ll basically be saving 8 digits a year (or, more likely, redistributing it) without losing any kind of production from one of the hardest spots to fill.

      • Salty Buggah

        Maybe and hopefully gaining production

        • Evil Empire

          Yes sir. If Montero does make it as a catcher, I doubt his defense will be as good as Posada’s (and that’s not a very high benchmark), but his offensive output could more than compensate for that.

          Since Posada has at least played well enough for his name to be on a HOF ballot , that is saying something.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

    Agreed.

    The Rangers and Rays SHOULD have better farms than us; they’ve been picking the best players in the draft for years now.

    The fact that we have a system in the 6-15 range and not in the 25-30 range, despite the fact that we pick in the 25-30 range, means we’re doing something right.

    • radnom


      The fact that we have a system in the 6-15 range and not in the 25-30 range, despite the fact that we pick in the 25-30 range, means we’re doing something right.

      To be fair, the lack of a hard slotting system allows us to grab players that wouldn’t be in that range were there no signing bonuses. The financial advantage shows itself in a large number of ways in the minors, not just the IFAs.

      • steve (different one)

        the Yankees budget was what, $7M this year?

        every team can do that.

  • Jim

    Do we have a legit Type-A free agent in the foreseeable future who we would actually offer arbitration to and let walk?

    • Jim

      Cano maybe? IF he leaves do we assume we trade him?

      • Angelo

        Cano seems like a keeper, I doubt the Yankees will be letting him go anytime soon. The guy has already hit .320 and .342 in an early part of his career. He’s undoubtly going to get better as he enters his prime years.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Ridiculous Upside

        Yeah… We don’t really let good players walk. We keep them and go fro the gold.

        • radnom

          Luckily you don’t actually have to be a good player to get type-A status. I imagine the next picks they get from a type-A guy would be from a middle reliever or someone who came over in a trade and is signed to a reasonable deal. (Nady would’ve been that guy this year if not for the injury).

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      CC, when he opts out of his contract.

      ***a single tear rolls down my face***

      • Steve H

        If he does opt-out, I’d say the odds are strong he’ll be resigning. Just to make sure we keep him, we’ll just have to root for the recession continue (maybe turn into a depression) so that CC’s contract is still at market value (or higher) when his opt-out comes into play.

        • Salty Buggah

          I’d still hope he opts out. I love CC but I want Felix more.

      • Salty Buggah

        No need to shed a tear. CC goes, the King arrives.

        • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

          CC’s still the man.

          • Salty Buggah

            Yea, too bad we cant have both.

            My dream (the best case scenario) rotation:

            King Felix
            CC
            Panned out Joba
            Panned out Hughes
            AJ

            • king of fruitless hypotheticals

              IPK? Zmac? Nova? Mexigangsta? Robertson (he’ll be a starter one day i know it!)?

              or did we trade them all for a phenom corner OF’er and a new DH?

              • Salty Buggah

                Yea, I was going to create a SP depth chart but that would be too optimistic. I was going to add all of those guys and even Arodys, Betances, Brackman, and other prospects there too.

              • AndrewYF

                Eh.

                Remember when everyone was saying: Horne? Clippard? Betances?

                It happens all the time. And there’s never a surplus, because the Major Leagues is excellent at filtering out the suspects from the dirty criminals, and there are a lot more of the suspects.

        • Angelo

          Long live the King! That would be the best Yankee signing ever…I’m probably just to obsessed with Felix Hernandez..

      • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

        Wait you can offer arbitration to someone opting out?

        • Zack

          They did with ARod

          • http://sports-odds.com/images/stories/yankees-arod-teixeira.jpg JobaWockeeZ

            Oh thanks. Back then I had no idea about this stuff…

            • Zack

              For whatever reason that just stuck in my head. http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....for-a-rod/

              • Steve H

                Wow. Some of the comments on that are legendary, even for Lohud.

                • Mike Pop

                  Reading Lohud is being like KG. Anything is possible.

                • radnom


                  Wow. Some of the comments on that are legendary, even for Lohud.

                  How so? Based on what you said, I clicked that expecting to see everyone trashing arod but instead saw most people discussing the draft picks.

                  Crazy that this happened during the Santana trade rumors too? This offseason is going to be a bore when compared to the last two.


                  Pete
                  Writer from Sun Sentinel on WFAN says you might be in for a boring year with Joe G. Speaks intelligently and in soundbites but he was no fun to be around. Only 6 media members followed the team, and he never addressed anyone by name and told the same stories repeatedly as if he was rehearsing them. They finally started to tell him they had heard it before.

                  hahaha wow, did this guy call it or what? Pete Abe is such a child.

  • dkidd

    can’t wait for carlos santana to hit the big leagues

    • Andy in Sunny Daytona

      “Oye Como Va” has been a hit for years now.

  • Camilo Gerardo – your inception? fuck perception, go with what makes sense

    project prospect has Jesus the #1 catcher over santana and posey

  • YankeeGrunt

    There’s an absurd amount of man-love for a guy who OPSed .618 in Low-A. His pitching stats were a lot better than that, but he’s still a product of the hype machine. Westmoreland has a ton of talent but he’s still on the lower rungs of the minor league ladder. Who do they have at AA or above with a ceiling? Bowden? Anderson? Neither one looked the part of phenom last year. Tazawa maybe.

    The Yankees, by contrast, have Montero, Jackson and McAllister at AA or higher (probably all at AAA come Opening Day), a handful of solid relief prospects who could see the Bronx this year, and Romine about to hit AA, along with a bunch of high-ceiling guys in A ball and short-season. It’s not even close right now.

  • Aj

    as long as we have a better system than the red sox than its all good!!! but lets face it the sox are good at drafting it seems like even there late pics are top prospects.

  • Januz

    The draft is of prime importance if you are the likes of the Royals, who has a limited major league talant pool, and the resources, to sign the “Elite Player” as a Free-Agent or keep him for a decade or more. The Yankees are the exact opposite: They can sign a Teixeira-type player, and can afford to be selective with who they draft and sign. When it comes to guys like Mitchell and DeLuca, who have tons of potential, they will spend the big bucks on. On the other side of the equation, a guy like Lyons who was considered to be a decent prospect, but with limited upside, was not signed. The Yankees are in good shape.