Report: Nady reaches deal with the Cubs, Sheets with A’s

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Update (1:58pm): Nady got $3.3M, plus another $2M in incentives. The base salary is a 50% pay cut.

11:00am: Via MLBTR, free agent outfielder Xavier Nady has agreed to a contract with the Cubs, ending his brief tenure in the Bronx. Nady still has to take a physical, which is no given considering he’s coming back from his second Tommy John surgery. The Yanks didn’t offer him arbitration because he would have probably accepted given his elbow, so they won’t get a draft pick even though he was a Type-B.

Nady hit .270-.319-.469 in close to 300 plate appearances with the Yankees, and was a potential left field option. Let’s see what the dollars are before everyone gets fussy.

Also, the A’s have signed Ben Sheets to a one-year, $8 million deal, though some sources say $10 mil. Rumor had it that Johnny Damon was their Plan B if they couldn’t land Sheets, so do the math.

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  • http://www.twitter.com/wahbjo01 Jordan – Cashman Has No Equal

    Good for Nady. Wish him well.

    One less option off the board.

    • History Teacher

      I broke this story earlier, but my comments were removed :( I would have put it here, but there wasn’t a post yet. Sorry RAB.

      Seriously though… I’m a little bummed the Yanks didn’t give Nady another shot. Maybe they know more about his injury than us, but I thought he had a lot of upside. He was fun to watch hit.

      Sheets to the A’s is… pointless at best.

      • History Teacher

        Do you think this forces Damon to sign with the Yanks for less? Where else could he go? Boras is a fool with these negotiations. He shot himself in the foot by not taking the 2 year deal the Yanks offered earlier.

        • Phil McCracken

          I’m not so sure I’d call Boras a fool. Even after he overplayed his hand with ARod’s opt out and figured out there was no teams out there for Alex, he was still smart enough to figure out a plan to get ARod back with the Yankees.

          I’m sure he’ll do the same thing with Damon if he can’t find a team. Damon will do the “I always wanted to be with the Yankees and Boras and I aren’t talking anymore” routine and he’ll be back in left field.

        • Bo

          Boras a fool? Go back and check how much Damon has made in his career and tell us Boras is a fool. A-Rod too.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada
            • Mr.Jigginz

              Bravo!!!

            • king of fruitless hypotheticals

              tsk tsk tommie…you’re not to comment on Bo :)

        • A.D.

          Boras isn’t a fool, but he isn’t a crafty negotiator (nor has he ever been), from what we see in the public eye.

          Boras makes his clients money with big comments, using the media, and making the GMs feel pressure to sign a player that isn’t necessarily there. Its a fairly blunt approach, that doesn’t work so well when

          1. the player isn’t that good
          or
          2. there’s lots of substitutes available.
          and
          3. many GMs have cracked down/been forced to get smarter with payroll.

          Boras’s classic tactics still work with the bigger ticket names, such as Matt Holliday this year, but he may need to re-invent himself for some of the aging vets such as Damon or Varitek.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            That.

            Scott Boras is a great agent to have if you’re a superstar or a hotshot draftee.

            For all the guys in the middle… meh, it’s a mixed bag.

            • dudes

              Confound alert!

              Guys in the middle are getting a “mixed bag” anyway. Would Boras do better for a B-level client than another top agent? Maybe, maybe not but it’s not black and white.

        • pete

          it’s not so much that he’s a fool as much as it’s becoming rather evident that most GMs have caught on to his methods for extracting well above-market-value contracts for his clients. However, considering that those methods DID work for the majority of Boras’s clients for a loooonggggg time and are only just being recognized for what they truly are, it’s hard to call him a fool. He completely changed the (contract negotiating) game. Just because MLB front offices have started to counter his 20 year dominance doesn’t make him a fool.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Sheets to the A’s is… pointless at best.

        Trading Matt Holliday to the Cardinals for Brett Wallace says hello.

  • Mussina fan

    im glad he signed. more chance to get back Damon on a drastically reduced price

  • mryankee

    Ask and yee shall receive. I think this places Johnny Damon back in the fold.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      How, exactly?

      The Cubs and Damon were never really suitors for one another. They never showed any tangible interest in him.

      This changes nothing, IMO.

      • steve (different one)

        yes, but the Sheets deal probably removes the A’s from the equation, no?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Ah, okay.

          Meh, I doubt it. I don’t think Damon was ever really a realistic target for them either. They have OFs and DHs galore. They needed pitching.

          • A.D.

            I didn’t see the fit either, but now its at least one less team the Boras can really claim is in on Damon.

          • mryankee

            I think if this helps the Yankees get Damon at thier price then I think its time both parties came to terms.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              I think you probably hate waiting for your burrito to cook in your microwave.

              • Bo

                Do you antagonize everyone u disagree with Eric?

                Maybe its time for a lame movie quote…

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  Or an Urban Dictionary reference…

      • mryankee

        The A’S did and if you believe (olney) then Damon was the backup plan if they did not get Sheets.

      • Peter

        A’s did though as Damon was their plan B to Sheets.

        and seeing the A’s got sheets…this takes them out of the Damon sweepstakes.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          If they were really in the Damon sweepstakes in the first place.

          Another team that was probably never in the Damon sweepstakes in the first place: The New York Yankees

          • Esteban

            C’mon, he had started out with lower demands and accepted the Yankees initial offers, he wouldn’t have signed? Or there were no original offers?

            • Esteban

              had he*

          • Peter

            how do you figure that?

            reported 2yr/$14Million offer handed to Damon early in the offseason says they were in the sweepstakes at some point.

            moveover a reported 1yr/$3-5million offer on the table right now to damon’s camp (the only known offer on the table) says the yankees are actually still in the sweepstakes.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              reported 2yr/$14Million offer handed to Damon early in the offseason says they were in the sweepstakes at some point.

              If you offer a guy a 2/14 when he’s publicly demanding a 4/52, and then sign Nick Johnson rather than waiting and negotiating, and then pull that initial offer from the table as well… how serious do you think you really were in truly getting into the Damon sweepstakes?

              Calling our interest in Damon “halfhearted” or “lukewarm” would be generous, I’d say.

              • Peter

                you said “probably never in the Damon sweepstakes in the first place”

                thats completely false if they extended an offer to him…especially since it was the best offer he got all offseason.

                whether they were serious or not…they were still very much in the sweepstakes.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  I guess this all depends on what our definition of “in” is.

                  /BillClinton’d

                  Seriously, though, this is a bit of a semantics game. I think you’re taking me a bit to literally; if that’s my fault I apologize.

                  I wasn’t trying to say we NEVER had ANY interest AT ALL in bringing back Damon. I’m merely saying, we were never going after him all that hardly.

                  Yes, we made an offer. We made it at the beginning of the free agency process. It was an offer FAR, FAR lower than Boras and Damon were looking for. We know Boras and Damon’s MO. It’s to wait out the process and never accept the initial below-market offer.

                  You’ll pardon me if I’m skeptical about our chances to land Johnny Damon on the offer we extended and then quickly withdrew after we found a younger, cheaper, better alternative. Offering a Boras client coming off a 4/52 contract a 2/14 contract in the very beginning of the FA process, with a short acceptance window… that’s practically a non-offer.

                  It was genuine and we would have loved for him to have accepted, but we had to know the chances of him accepting were slim. Which is why we quickly moved on.

          • radnom

            While I have my doubts on the sincerity of the A’s interest in Damon, I think it is a little much to claim the Yankees were never in on Damon in the first place.
            Regardless of their interest now, the Yankees have demonstrated very real interest in Damon (at various price points) multiple times this offseason.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              We were “in” on Damon in a “we’re not really all that in on Damon” kind of way.

              • radnom


                We were “in” on Damon in a “we’re not really all that in on Damon” kind of way.

                Eh, that doesn’t describe making a $14 million dollar offer, which the Yankees almost certainly did.

                Unless you are claiming that the offer was purely for PR purposes, and Cashman knew Boras would turn it down, but that is a crazy stretch.

                The thing is, at one point in the offseason the Yankees threw down an offer guaranteeing Damon more money than they will be paying any other acquisition they got this offseason. Why are you trying so hard to make is seem like they wern’t interested?

                • radnom

                  Not to mention, allegedly asking his agent for a baseline number to present to management. For a team at its budget, that is as serious interest as they can have. An informal offer to consider going slightly overbudget if a deal can be worked out between both parties.

                  Honestly, the Yankees have shown far more interest in Damon than he has in them.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  Unless you are claiming that the offer was purely for PR purposes, and Cashman knew Boras would turn it down, but that is a crazy stretch.

                  No.

                  It wasn’t an offere they KNEW Boras would turn down, nor was it PR.

                  It was leverage. It was us saying to Boras, “We’ll take Johnny back, but only at our price. Here’s our price. Whether or not it’s below your desired price is utterly irrelevant to us. This is our price, take it or leave it.

                  This price has an expiration date. We have other options we are pursuing to replace Johnny. If we sign one of those other options, this price disappears. There will be no negotiation. We are not wedded to Johnny Damon.

                  If we don’t hear from you, soon, saying you’ll take our price, we’re moving on. Have a lovely day.”

                  So, yes, we were interested in bringing back Johnny Damon. Our interest dramatically lessened when two things happened:

                  1) Johnny was reluctant to accept our significant price cut.
                  2) We replaced his production with Nick Johnson.

                • radnom

                  Ok, I never said you were claiming that and I agree with everything you just wrote.

                  It doesn’t jive with what you were repeating above, that they were never really interested in Damon. Before they signed Nick, they were willing to sign Damon for about $9 million more. You obviously agree, so I’m not sure why you would keep claiming that this interest was never real or serious.

                • radnom

                  You now…

                  So, yes, we were interested in bringing back Johnny Damon. Our interest dramatically lessened when two things happened

                  me twenty minutes ago, which you disagreed with..

                  Regardless of their interest now, the Yankees have demonstrated very real interest in Damon (at various price points) multiple times this offseason

                  Obviously, other acquisitions affected the interest in Damon, I’m just countering the claim that said interest was never there.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  And I’m saying the preponderance of evidence doesn’t say the interest was NEVER there, just that the interest was minimal.

                  “The interest was minimal” is not incongruent with my original statement of “Another team that was probably never in the Damon sweepstakes in the first place: The New York Yankees”.

                  Emphasis mine.

    • X

      took the stadium tour the other day and all johnnys stuff was still in his locker.. actually one of the only players like this.. just sayen

      • king of fruitless hypotheticals

        if he’s not coming back, he should be paying a storage fee or something for that…this aint no charity mr. damon…

  • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

    what can the honestly accept out of the guy, nady, tho? i mean, this is uncharted territory and the cubs dont exactly have money to spare if he doesnt pan out

  • A.D.

    And the Damon “sweepstakes” just got one smaller.

  • mryankee

    Well nobody accused the Cubs of being a smart organization. Anyway who cares about them I think this moves pushes Johnny Damon closer to accepting whatever deal the Yankees offered him.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    Also, the A’s have signed Ben Sheets to a one-year, $8 million deal.

    Meaning they’ll spin him off for a prospect at the deadline.

    Let’s say… to the Dodgers for Chris Withrow. You heard it here first.

    • radnom

      Good all round move. If Sheets pans out they can land some nice talent for him from a contender with pitching injuries. Hell, if he pitches to his potential they might have a (really) outside shot of contending in the west this year.

      • rbizzler

        Yup, with Anderson with another year under his belt, combined with Gonzales and some of the kids developing, they have an outside shot to contend.

        Otherwise, they flip him at the deadline like Beane is wont to do.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Anderson, Cahill, Gonzalez, Mazzaro, Ross… they’ve got some nice building blocks there.

          And if they can eventually get something from Michael Ynoa, all the better.

  • Angelo

    Sheets to the A’s. As long as he didnt sign on a competitive team or the AL East I wouldve been happy, unless that team was the Yankees of course.

    Good luck to Nady.

    One step closer to bringing back Damon I guess….maybe.

  • Nady Nation

    /sheds tear.

    Does this require a handle change?

    • A.D.

      Well now you’re good to go for the Cubs blogs.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      I always read your name as “Nad-y”, an adverb meaning you were part of a nation full of nads.

      Gonads.

      • Nady Nation

        In that case, I see no reason to change it.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          You’re welcome.

  • mryankee

    I think its about tim JD saw the wriiting on the wall and accepted his fate.

    • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

      dude. seriously? i think we get it. 3 posts out of 14. great johnny damon, whoopdie fucking doo

      • Steve H

        It’s worse than my Scott Hairston infatuation.

  • Peter

    i entered Wednesday in the Marc Carig ‘damon’ sweepstakes.

    I like my chances.

  • AndrewYF

    So, the question stands, who would you rather have:

    Javier Vazquez
    or
    Sheets/Melky/Dunn/Viz?

    Tough question.

    • mryankee

      Melky and Dunn are very replaceable. Vizcaino might be something he is only 18 and never pitched full season. Oppenheimer is paid to find these types of pitchers so they should be able to replace him. I think Vazquez is an excellent nuber 3/4 and most teams a #2-I would match him up against Lackey any day.

      • AndrewYF

        The question, as it stands, is: are Melky, Dunn, and Vizcaino greater than the difference between Sheets and Vazquez?

        I guess we’ll have to find out.

        • John

          In fact it’s melky, dunn, vizcaino and 3.5MM since vasquez is paid 3.5MM more than Sheets if the reports are effective.

          • Angelo

            Yeah but Melky would have made up the difference with his pay raise. And I think Javy is making 10 mil this year. I should look it up but Im too lazy.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          The question, as it stands, is: are Melky, Dunn, and Vizcaino greater than the difference between Sheets and Vazquez?

          The answer probably depends on the team.

          For a team like, say, the Mets, no; giving up Melky/Dunn/Vizcaino isn’t worth the security advantange of Vazquez over the upside of Sheets. For a team like the 2010 Yankees, yeah, it probably is.

          We don’t NEED another ace (which is Sheets’s ceiling), what we need is a workhorse who can be counted on to take the ball every fifth day. And what we gave up are pieces we either won’t miss or wouldn’t use anytime soon anyway.

          • http://www.twitter.com/wahbjo01 Jordan – Cashman Has No Equal

            Exactly.

            For the 2010 Yankees, Vazquez is the better of the “deal”.

            The team needs an innings horse to make sure we don’t have any more of this ridiculous rotation/bullpen shifting.

            For the As, as TJSC said before, they can spin off Sheets at the deadline turning him into possible useful pieces for the future. That would hopefully not be in the Yankees plan come July.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      I’ll take the latter.

      It’s real close, though. You’re trading upside and future considerations (that may not pan out) for a great deal more present security and reliability. Vazquez isn’t as good as Sheets at his best, but Sheets may never be his best again, and he’s never been all that durable.

      Vazquez is the proverbial bird in the hand. (The one Nick Swisher didn’t kill with his stone, of course.)

      • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

        so you mean the former?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          No.

          I’d take Sheets/Melky/Dunn/Viz, the latter, over just Vazquez by himself, the former.

          But, the difference between the two is small enough that you can’t be mad either way. I like the latter option, but the former option is real good too.

          • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

            your explanation made ti sound like you were leaning towards vazquez, esp the last comment. my b i guess

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              Sorry if it was unclear.

              As it was said initially, it’s a tough call. Either answer can be right.

    • A.D.

      I think at this point given the Yanks current roster construction you want the safer bet with Javy, they already have, talent wise, a couple top of the line arms with inconsistency, thus prefer the safer innings eater, who also is pretty damn good.

    • steve (different one)

      gotta throw 2 draft picks on the Javier side of the equation.

      i know it’s easy to count chickens before they hatch and all that, but i think Javy is pretty close to a lock for Type A status and getting offered arb.

      • AndrewYF

        Considering Type A status rewards playing time much, much more than performance, I’d say Javy is one of the biggest Type-A locks in baseball.

      • Angelo

        I forgot about the compensations…but if Sheets pitches to expectations, then you have to figure he would get Type A status as well.

        • A.D.

          Well he still missed all of last year, so that’s a pretty big black hole that will be difficult to overcome.

          • Angelo

            True, didnt think about that.

    • Angelo

      You forgot to add 2 million dollars to having Sheets/Melky/Dunn/Viz. Well thats if there arent bonuses to Sheets’ contract.

      Well if Sheets is coming back at full strength, its hard to choose. Sheets is much more injury prone, while Javy has an excellent track record of health and can be signed up for 200 innings and 200 strike outs a year.

      Tough call, but even with the question marks around Sheets…I would choose Sheets/Melky/Dunn/Viz.

      If its Sheets or Javy, then Id choose Javy, but all the other players involved change that.

    • Thomas

      I’d go with Vazquez due to his durability. I think the security of 200 above average (or higher) innings outweighs the possibility of fantastic innings from Sheets. In the fourth starter slot, the Yankees need a reliable pitcher like Pettitte, since it is not unlikely to see Burnett get injured and/or Chamberlain have a very poor stretch.

      Additionally, the Yankees have the lineup to absorb the loss of Melky and the with their team (which is built to win now), the addition of Vazquez is worth the slight hit to the farm.

    • John

      Its just speculation but maybe even the difference in salaries between vasquez and sheets would have been enough to give the yanks the payroll flexibility needed to sign damon.

    • Bo

      Would be tougher if Melky wasnt a 4th OF, Dunn could throw strikes, Vizcaino was above short season ball and Sheets threw a baseball the past 15 months.

  • bigpinklips

    The Giants want Damon.

    The Yokomuro Giants.

    • Reef

      It’s Yomiuri…

    • Stones

      The Yomiuri Giants are going to be upset someone stole their name.

    • pat

      Haha u cant just make up Japanese sounding words and pretend they’re baseball teams. I think u mean Yomiuri.

  • Granderslam

    So that’s another suitor out on Damon. The A’s. At this point, I think Damon signs back with the Yankees. I just don’t see any other viable options for him at this point. And he’ll round out an absolutely devastating lineup for 2010.

    • History Teacher

      Don’t forget that Boras has plenty of “Mystery Teams” out there for Damon. Such as the Albany High School Falcons and the Bad News Bears. My softball team is also seen as a strong Damon suitor.

      • History Teacher

        ***BREAKING NEWS*** Damon signs with the Hiroshima Toyo Carp for fifteen bucks.

        • Angelo

          Damn it why didnt I sign him….

        • http://www.twitter.com/wahbjo01 Jordan – Cashman Has No Equal

          If history has taught us anything, it’s that you can ban even the dumbest of idiots.

          Joe, Mike, Ben? Anyone?

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            If history has taught us anything, it’s that you can ban even the dumbest of idiots.

            (golf clap… for the Godfather II reference)

          • Thomas

            One of my history teachers taught us the Mets suck.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              My 8th grade Geometry teacher showed me a geometric proof PROVING that the Mets suck.

              [Ed. note: this may not have actually happened. Think about it, though… probably could have.]

              • Chip

                Wow, I’ve always wanted to hire somebody to edit my RAB posts but I’ve never gotten around to it. I’m impressed

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  My editor is court mandated. It’s part of my post-sentence diversion program.

  • pat

    JD is really gonna look like a really big douche if he turns down the Yankees and takes a few million more to go sign with a bad team.

    • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

      red sox dark horse at 1 for 5-7 mill? it was already said that they will look to replace ortiz if he starts slow, and drew will get injured and hti the dl for at least his usual 15 days, cameron is older, and ellsbury, well, he isnt that great offensively…

      • pat

        Very true, plus his t-rex arm and sheisty range wouldn’t be as much as a liability in their left field.

        • Angelo

          hah. I had a good laugh over that T-rex arm comment.

        • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

          i mean, honestly, what do they do when drew has his annual injury, or if cameron finally realizes he is over 40? and when ortiz blows an they have to move martinez to dh and find a catcher, which will get expensive…i wonder why they havent been in on him esp now that he is prob gonna come off the discount rack

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            They promote Casey Kelly straight to the bigs. He plays CF on the days he doesn’t pitch complete game shutouts.

            Seriously, though, if they have injuries/struggles amongst the Drew/Cameron/Ellsbury/Hermida top four, they’d just roll with larger doses of Josh Reddick. And then they’d trade one of their two relief pitchers named Ramon Ramirez for Eric Hinske and call it a day.

            They’re not going to bring back Johnny. That’s not the organizational MO, and for good reason.

      • radnom

        They already have 2 full time DH’s and 4 OFs. Not to mention they are already pushing the luxury tax threshold. I don’t see it.

        • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

          loweel and ortiz? yeah, great tandem.

          and who is thr 4th of, who am i missing, ive got ellsbury, cameron, drew…

          • jsbrendog officially approves signing Fernando Tatis

            forgot about hermida, right. meh well, i still think he makes sense for them if they can dump lowell

            • radnom

              Yes, Hermida.

              Perhaps if they can dump Lowell, but doing so will require them to eat almost all of his salary and doesn’t solve the luxury tax issue.

              If they can’t, then the roster just has no room for another OF/DH type.

      • Spaceman.Spiff

        Ellsbury, Bucholz package for Adrian Gonzalez, Red Sox swoop in on Damon for LF.

        C Victor Martinez
        1b Adrian Gonzalez
        2b Marco Scutaro
        3b Adrian Beltre/Kevin Youkilis
        SS Dustin Pedroia
        LF Johnny Damon
        CF Mike Cameron
        RF JD Drew
        DH Kevin Youkilis/David Ortiz

        Just kidding.

        • Rose

          Why are Pedroia and Scutaro switching positions due to the trade?

          • Spaceman.Spiff

            Oops, that’s a mistake. Good catch.

    • pat

      How about I say really a few more times. 0/2 for today.

    • Angelo

      To our bias that would be true.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      JD is really gonna look like a really big douche if he turns down the Yankees and takes a few million more to go sign with a bad team.

      Why?

      More money >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> less money

      I could see someone saying that Johnny is an idiot for not leaping at the 2/14 we offered him only to take, say, a 1/7 from the Royals now, but I don’t know how Johnny turning down a 1/4 or 1/5 from us NOW (if we’re actually offering that) to take a 1/7 from the Royals NOW makes him a “douche”.

      • pat

        but I don’t know how Johnny turning down a 1/4 or 1/5 from us NOW (if we’re actually offering that) to take a 1/7 from the Royals NOW makes him a “douche”.

        Maybe it’s just me. I’d rather have another (really good) chance at ring on my finger than an extra 2 or 3 million in the bank account, especially after making over 80 million in his career. TO me, that’s being a douche, taking some extra money and playing for a noncontender. It’s not like we’re offering him 1 yr 4 million and the Royals are offering 3 yrs 30 million. It’s a few drops in the bucket vs potentially being a champion again.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Maybe it’s just me. I’d rather have another (really good) chance at ring on my finger than an extra 2 or 3 million in the bank account, especially after making over 80 million in his career.

          Given that literally THOUSANDS of aging players have taken the contract that offers the most money rather than the contract that offers the best chance to win, and that most of those players are not “douches”, I’ll say it’s probably just you.

          It’s a few drops in the bucket vs potentially being a champion again.

          “A few million” is NEVER, EVER, EVER “a few drops in the bucket”. Not even to a multibillionare.

          • pat

            Most big league veterans don’t have the option of being welcomed back with open arms as a WS hero to the defending champions. But, oh well, I guess I am alone in my opinions.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              But most big league veterans DO have the option of joining a defending champion when they’re free agents.

              They just have to do so at cut-rates. Which makes it less desirable. So, they do the non-douchebag thing and make money for their family.

              Making money is never the “douchey” thing to do.

              • king of fruitless hypotheticals

                …tommie, you’re sounding very republican right now…why don’t you sit the next round out?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  Kumar: What kind of hippie are you?
                  Hippie: I’m a BUSINESS hippie.

                • king of fruitless hypotheticals

                  you played that like tiger plays a waffle house waitress.

              • Mike P

                George Steinbrenner and his fistfull of rings disagree with the last point you made.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  George Steinbrenner: not a major league baseball player

                • Mike R

                  Yah, but he is a billionaire, what happened to millions not being drops in the bucket to anyone, way to fail and contradict your point pal.

        • A.D.

          You’re certainly entitled to your opinion, but I don’t consider a “douche” move to take more money, and potentially not play for a contender, he has 2 rings already, and he may very well want/feel he needs some more money to be fiscally sound for his future.

          Plus what real allegiance does Damon have to the Yanks? It’s not like he’s played in NY for 10 years, he signed a lucrative 4 year deal to play in NY and be snatched from their biggest rivals.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Damon’s a baseball vagabond, just like 95% of all big league players anyway.

            Born in Kansas, raised in Orlando, played in KC, OAK, BOS, NYY… whatever. His only loyalty is to his family and to whomever wants him on their team at the moment, as it should be. Nothing wrong with that.

            • Dalelama

              As he already has 2 rings and is nearing the end of the road i would consider him a douce if he didn’t take the extra cash….

    • Bo

      taking a few million more makes him a “douche”?

      You know ballplayers loyalty is to their families first. i’d love to see how your wife reacted when you told her you were signing for 3 mill less someplace.

  • Mike HC

    Thats too bad. He definitely seemed to be an option for the Yanks. Obviously not anymore.

    And Beane just loves those high upside, but low probability of success type guys. This way, if they have a good year, he looks like a genius.

  • Bo

    Damon will be in LF for the Yankees. Where he should be. Gardner goes back to being what he should be. 4th OF.

  • Regis

    Can’t get to 3,000 hits unless you are playing, Johnny D.
    Sure, the Yankees only want to pay you two million dollars but you can save a lot on car insurance by switching to Geico.

  • T-Dubs

    I think the Yanks sign Damon by this time next week to a 1yr betwixt $5-7m. I’d wager on $5m.

  • T-Dubs

    By the way, smart move by Sheets to sign this one year deal in an expansive ballpark. One year in that cavernous stadium, if he stays relatively healthy, should set him up for a nice multiyear contract from someone else next winter.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Good point.

      If Sheets can make it through the season healthy and display flashes of his old ace-brilliance, he could probably land a 3 or 4 year deal with an AAV north of 10M. Especially if some of the other aces, like Lee/Beckett/Webb/etc. sign extensions and don’t hit the market.

      Also, a team that may be interested in Sheets at a 3/30 next year if he demonstrates health and effectiveness: The New York Yankees

  • http://i.cdn.turner.com/si/multimedia/photo_gallery/0902/mlb.alex.rodriguez.through.the.years/images/1993.alex-rodriguez.jpg Drew

    That’s a lot for money for Nady, especially since he can’t DH in the NL. I wonder how his arm will hold up.

    • Hughesus Christo

      All that needs to be said about that Nady deal is…

      CUBS

  • Rose

    MLBTR
    It’s worth nothing that Damon benefited greatly from the New Yankee Stadium, posting a .915 OPS at home and a .795 OPS on the road in 2009. Moving to Oakland on a one-year deal might not be the best move if he’s looking to boost his value for a potential payday after the 2010 season.

    This is exactly what I brought up a few weeks ago on here. Yes, more money is always better than less money. But would you rather take only a little bit more money to play in a gigantic stadium where you most likely won’t succeed nearly as much for when the inevitable offseason comes next year? Or do you take a little less money to play in a place where you’ve very recently showed success…so that when the offseason comes again next year…you have yet another year of durability…and can hope more teams are looking for cheaper alternatives (to Carl Crawford, etc).

  • TopChuckie

    With Hairston and Nady off the board, and Dye hopefully not really an option, wouldn’t Damon be prudent to wait for Reed Johnson to sign somewhere? Doesn’t that swing the upper hand back into Damon’s favor? The Yanks will need an OF that can start for an extended period of time if Gardner flops. Hoffman can’t be the 4th OF and the next best full-time option.

  • Doug

    Via Olney’s tweets (and reported by Mike on MLBTR), the A’s are still interested in signing Damon. It would be probably be in the $3M-$4M range, which would still be almost twice as much as the Yanks are willing to go with him.

    Just see his numbers being significantly worse playing in that big ballpark; that if he’s hoping to have a solid season and parlay that into bigger $ next offseason, not sure this is the right move for him.

  • OUTFIELD OPTIONS

    Offer Damon 1 year @ 4mil, or 2 years @ 7mil. If he does not take it sign Reed Johnson for 1 year on the cheap….

    • Doug

      they’re not going 2 yrs on damon

  • Peter

    I don’t see how Johnny Damon signing in Oakland makes sense for the player or the team. That ballpark would eat him alive. Both offensively and defensively.

    A’s already have Sweeney, rajai, coco, buck and cust…

    and noting that Johnny Damon’s worst year of his career came in Oakland (.256/.343/.363) how does it make sense for him to go back there in the later part of his career when he’s try to prove his worth?

    • Doug

      probably only makes sense if he’s looking for the most $ this year (and this year only)

  • Pasqua

    The rationale is going to be fully explained in Billy Beane’s new book, I WANT YOUR PROSPECTS.

    • Pasqua

      Reply fai. This was intended to go to Peter’s comment.

      • Pasqua

        Reply fail, fail.

    • Peter

      yeah..but this isn’t Matt Holliday. lol

      and this point in Damon’s career…if he goes to oakland and falls flat (which more then likely would be the case) it would be hard for Billy to find a deal that would net him any kinda of decent prospect.

      would it really be worth $5 million to get Damon to just ship him off for a lower end prospect come july?

  • Rose

    Edited by RAB: Way off topic. Plus, we have a post coming on this.

    • Rose

      Sorry about that.

  • Hughesus Christo

    It always seemed like people were very critical of Nady until he got injured, at which point he became a valued member of the team. People couldn’t wait for his return. THEN this offseason people became even more appreciative, despite the major surgery and time off.

  • pete

    people keep talking about park splits, but shouldn’t GMs be smart enough to know by now to look at home/road splits??? I can’t imagine anyone is expecting better than maybe an .815 OPS from JD this year, other than the yanks…If johnny comes back to new york i can hardly imagine he’d be delusional to do it to “set himself up” for a 3 year contract next season. I think this offseason and last offseason should convince most people that when you’re old, a career year with big home/away splits ain’t going to get you a big multiyear deal. period. GMs are getting smarter, players need to change their angles. They’re better off actually looking at the market, making a reasonable assessment and coming back to the team asking for 2 years at their november market-price. I.E. if Johnny came back after the WS and said “hey I’d like 2/$14″. Right now, it seems like prices only go down as the offseason progresses for these players. They need to learn to jump at those first “halfhearted” offers right away, because they often end up OVER their actual market worth.

    • Chip

      That’s hard to do when Boras is telling you that your absolute floor is probably 3/30 so he’s going to stick at 4/52 as long as possible.

  • ggc

    I find it hard to believe they were willing to pay Nady more than Damon. MLBTR ( or via MLBTR) reporting that the Yankees would have paid Nady what he signed for but were not willing to pay $5 mil, while also saying they are only willing to pay $2 mil for Damon. If Damon isn’t worth breaking a $2 mil budget, even slightly, why would Nady? Nady?

  • Peter
  • Mike R

    I don’t know how many drugs you’d have to take to give Ben Sheets 10 Million guaranteed with incentives. What a joke, I’m sorry I’d give that guy a base of 5 million guaranteed with incentives, anyone who even tries to make a case that he’s better than Pettite should be paid no attention, not to mention I’m pretty sure Pettite has less guaranteed money. A team especially like the A’s signing Sheets just makes me laugh, the guy did nothing in 2009 because of injury, sure he impressed people in a workout, but that doesn’t guarantee anything whatsoever. Good luck to the A’s, but signing Sheets to 10 million isn’t taking a gamble, it isn’t a good sign, it’s essentially a money sink for a pitcher who is clearly riddled with injuries and reminds me of our good buddy Carl Pavano.

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