Feb
25

Yanks working to improve Montero’s throwing

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Early on in camp this year, the story to end all stories has been uber-prospect Jesus Montero. A career .700-.750-1.400 hitter in big league Spring Training, he has already made a big impression with his batting practice showings this year despite being in camp for just over a week. He’s going to begin the 2010 season as the everyday catcher for Triple-A Scranton, though it’s still hard to believe that through his age-19 season, Montero is a .325-.379-.509 hitter in 1,071 minor league plate appearances despite reaching Double-A.

PECOTA pegs Montero as a .299-.352-.498 hitter with 23 homers if given 528 plate appearances in the big leagues next year, which is obviously an extremely optimistic projection. For comparison’s sake, Jorge Posada has matched that OBP and SLG in a single season just three times in his career. “He’s going to hit,” said one evaluator that Buster Olney spoke to. “There’s no question about that. Some guys just know how to hit; he’s like that.” Yeah, he’s going to hit, but not like that this early in his career.

Of course, Montero’s bat was never the question, defense in. Olney discussed some of the things the Yankees are trying to help Montero become a passable catcher, including a unique set of throwing mechanics. Instead of popping up on both feet and firing to second, bench coach Tony Pena and the Yanks have him keeping his right foot in place while taking a short stride with his left foot. It sounds awkward, and I tried it a handful of times in my living room while writing this post, and it’s definitely not a natural feeling. (Disclaimer: I’m most likely less athletic than Montero). Basically, the only way someone could pull this off consistently is if they have a strong arm, which Montero does.

I’m not sure how long he’s been throwing like this, however he did thrown out 32% of attempted basestealers during his Double-A Trenton stint last season. Of course, he caught a grand total of 33 games for the Thunder, so this is statistically insignificant. Montero’s thrown out just 23% of all attempted basestealers during his career, but that number isn’t trustworthy at all because the Yanks don’t emphasize their pitchers holding baserunners at the A-ball level and below. Frankly, we just don’t know how well this has/will work.

The consensus is that Montero will not be a catcher moving forward. However, the Yankees are coming up with creative ways to make it work back there, even if it’s just for the time being. It’s not often catchers jump right into the big league lineup full-time as rookies, so all the Yanks will need Montero to do for the next few years is be able to fake it back there two or three times a week. The bat is so special, none of us will mind the defense.

Photo Credit: Bryan Hoch, MLB.com

Categories : Spring Training
  • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

    Do scouts consider Montero’s frame to be projectable? He looks thin to me, like he could easily add 40-50 lbs over the course of his career and end up looking like Frank Thomas.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      He’s 6′-4″, 220. There’s no natural projection left there. Whatever weight he adds from here on out will be the bad kind.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        See also: Raúl Mondesi.

        • http://iheartrerun.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rerun.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

          (Looks up from fourth plate of mofongo.)

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            You’ve got something there on the corner of your mouth.

            It’s a chicken wing.

            • http://iheartrerun.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rerun.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              (Sucks chicken wing into mouth without moving a finger, spits out half of clean bone moments later.)

      • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

        Wow, I had no idea he was already that heavy.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada
          • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

            Thanks Tommie. If you utilize your reading-eyes, you will see that my original question was not “What is Montero’s weight”, but rather a more technical question regarding his ability to add muscle as he gets older. This question was begat, BEGAT, by the fact that his arms look pencil-thin in some of the photos I’ve seen. However, I do appreciate you sending the google link my way, as I had never heard of this website before and look forward to using it in the coming days.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              I’m an asshole. You’re welcome.

              • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

                My biggest problem with you right now is that that was a lazy burn. Rather than link google.com, you should have done something like this:

                http://tinyurl.com/yzlf9uf (SAFE, and no bongs either)

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  Meh, I vacillate back and forth on my affinity for LMGTFY.

                  Which is the more assholish move? Googling something for someone, or just dropping http://www.google.com and making them google it themselves? Or simply writing Tu stultus es?

                  These are the eternal questions with which we great assholes must constantly struggle.

      • steve (different one)

        serious question, then why do so many people say he won’t be able to stick at catcher b/c he’s “not done growing”??

        • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

          Because they’re idiots. He won’t be able to stick at catcher because just doesn’t have the athleticism for it. He’s just not smooth back there.

          • themgmt

            You don’t know that.

  • Hey ZZ

    How many AB’s do you think Montero gets this year if he is a Sept call-up?

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      I dunno, maybe 20-30? Just a guess.

      • steve s

        When Nick Johnson goes on the DL (as he inevitably will) is when Jesus will be up to DH; no need to wait until Sept.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          A) Nick’s not inexorably destined for the DL. That’s false.
          B) If he does go to the DL, his active roster replacement is Juan Miranda, not HeyZeus. Montero only comes up early for a serious Posada injury, not a Johnson one.

          • steve s

            A) So you are saying that Nick lasts a whole season not being DL’d; Love to take your $$$ on that bet;

            B) Seriously, you think Miranda gets the call when Jesus is hitting .350 and Yanks are vulnerable to left-handed pitching?; Love to take any $$$ you have left over for this one after losing bet one.

            • http://iheartrerun.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rerun.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

              “A) So you are saying that Nick lasts a whole season not being DL’d; Love to take your $$$ on that bet;”

              No… Saying he’s not inexorably destined for the DL is far from saying he definitely won’t hit the DL.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                Exactly.

                And,
                B) Seriously, you think Miranda gets the call when Jesus is hitting .350 and Yanks are vulnerable to left-handed pitching?

                Since Miranda is older, already has big league experience, is a natural 1B/DH (and thus wouldn’t have any defensive development processes retarded by curtailing his work at his natural position) and, most importantly, IS ALREADY ON THE 40 MAN ROSTER AND ALREADY HAS HIS ARB/FREE AGENCY CLOCKS STARTED, yes, I most friggin definitely think Miranda would get the call over Jesus to replace Nick Johnson’s 1B/DH role on the big league club if Nick gets injured.

                Miranda would need to be slumping mightily to not get the call first before Montero, even if Montero is mashing the shitballs out of AAA.

                Seniority and incumbency counts. Better to get value out of Miranda while you can than rush Montero when you don’t have to.

                • http://www.miraluka.com woainidepigu

                  Also Miranda has the distinct honor of hitting a walk-off single off the leg of one Krazy Kyle Farnsworth in 2009. That boosts his stock by at least 0.00025 points.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  Plus:

                  The Yanks’ ten longest homers since 2005
                  By Mike Axisa

                  [snip]

                  3b. Juan Miranda, Oct. 2nd, 2009, 469 feet (video)
                  This one was crushed. The Yanks were just running out the clock on the season, down 11 runs to the Rays on the road with all the regulars on the bench catching some rest before the postseason. Miranda worked the count full against Dale Thayer, who I’m certain he’s faced in Triple-A several times during the last few years. Miranda put that familiarity to work, sending the ball to the last row of the right field bleachers for his first (and only) big league homer.

                  http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....005-22406/

          • http://none James

            That’s their expectation, but we all know the Yankees like to improvise. Joba, case in point.

            • andrew

              But also, I know we like to joke a lot about Jesus’s God-like ability, but what if he’s not hitting .350? What if he’s hitting well, but not well enough to warrant a call up. I doubt we see him for any extended amount of time. So many things would have to go wrong.

          • Bo

            Because NJ hasnt been hurt most of his career? Theres a better shot of him hitting the DL than staying healthy if the past has anything to say about it. And its not exactly like hes 20 here anymore.

            • V

              Look who showed up an hour late! GBSL!!!

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    Photo comment #1: Damnit, Jesus, move. I want to know what the Rice of Champions is.

    Photo comment #2: I love the smorgasbord of free advertising company logos Jesus is engaging in. TPX, Wilson, Mizuno, and Majestic. Well done, young man. Build the brand.

    • Accent Shallow

      It looks like Vigo brand.

      Mmm.

  • steve (different one)

    PECOTA pegs Montero as a .299-.352-.498 hitter with 23 homers if given 528 plate appearances in the big leagues next year

    insane.

    • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

      Frighteningly, this projection is more sane than their projection for one Matthew Wieters last year.

    • http://iheartrerun.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rerun.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

      Yeah, but I think we’ve seen PECOTA suggest a young catcher is Superman before and be off by just a wee bit.

  • http://kierstenschmidt.com Kiersten

    I am so excited to watch this kid play (scary that I’m older than him and can actually call him a kid).

  • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

    I (like everyone else) truly don’t know if Montero can make it as a catcher, but to have Tony Pena at his disposal to teach him can only increase the chances. Maybe they can bring in Benito Santiago and have him throw from his knees?

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Maybe Jesus should start peeing on his hands immediately. After all, correlation always means causation is present.

      Sincerely,
      Dr. Jorge Posada, MD, PhD

      • Eric Solomon

        IETCVM

  • http://twitter.com/JamalG_BB Jamal G.

    The bat is so special, none of us will mind the defense.</cite?

    This really needs to be beaten into the head of some. With the difference in value that a guy produces as catcher compared to a designated hitter, I wonder if people realize how bad Montero would have to be behind the plate to where the team would even ponder a permanent move to DH.

    For example, Jermaine Dye has been such a butcher in the field over the past four years that he would have actually produced more runs as a DH than as a right fielder. *In all honesty, Montero would have to be worst defender in the history of Major League Baseball to warrant a full-time move to DH, and probably the all-time worst catcher to warrant a full-time move from behind the plate.

    Now, this is just looking at Montero in a vacuum and not how the could maximize the value of Jorge Posada in the present and probably Austin Romine in the future.

    • The Three Amigos

      As Mike said he just needs to be catching 2/3 times a week for probably 6 years. Then he can move to 1st base when Tex contract is up.

      • The Three Amigos

        Reply Fail- supposed to be a new comment. Sorry.

    • Mike HC

      Anybody can literally squat behind the plate and catch. Using your logic, guys like Hafner and every other big hitter they move to first or corner outfielder would just be a catcher. It is not that easy,

      I think we as fans look at Jorge and say he sucks at D and is a great hitter. Jesus can do the same. And maybe he can, I have never seen him play for a single second, but Jorge has never gotten the credit he deserves on D. Compared to the rest of MLB catchers, who are mostly defense first no hitting, he sucks, but in general, he was very solid. I don’t really know where I’m going with this. Just wanted to bullshit I guess.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        I don’t really know where I’m going with this. Just wanted to bullshit I guess.

        Heh. The comment started so superbly and then kinda unraveled into meandering babbling.

        It’s all good, buddy, it’s the spring. You’re still rounding into prime game shape. Here, have a tasty Pinstripe Tampa Light Lime™.

        • Mike HC

          ha, exactly. Instead of just not posting it, it was already all written out, so what the hell.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Brian: Just take it easy, Champ. Why don’t you stop talking for a while? Maybe sit the next couple of plays out, know what I mean?

            Champ: Yeah, I’m gonna quit sayin’ things when they crop up in the ol’ skull, huh?

      • pete

        “Anybody can literally squat behind the plate and catch”

        no. those of us with knee problems are not afforded that luxury. but thanks for throwing that in my face

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          no. those of us with knee problems are not afforded that luxury.

          (fights urge to make a fellatio joke)

        • Mike HC

          haha. Sorry. Let me re phrase that then. Most people can squat behind the plate and catch, and even guys like pete can at least sit indian style and catch the ball.

          • pete

            FACT: Jesus Montero will steal 80 bases this season. FACT

            not in games of course, but after the games, when nobody is watching, so that he can sell them, because he is a no-good, untrustworthy latin american.

  • Rose

    Are they still comparing his bat to Miguel Cabrera’s? Or is that a stretch?

    Who has/had more upside? Jesus Montero or Pablo Sandoval

    Note: Just because Montero doesn’t have a cool nickname like ‘Kung Fu Panda’ doesn’t mean you can hold it against him.

    • Hey ZZ

      You do not need a nickname when your name is Jesus.

    • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

      Jesus has more upside. Better plate discipline and power. I think it was Callis who said he was an 80 Power and 75 Bat. Rare air.

      • Snakes on the mother effin plane

        “Jesus has more upside.”

        He is risen.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Note: Just because Montero doesn’t have a cool nickname like ‘Kung Fu Panda’ doesn’t mean you can hold it against him.

      The problem isn’t that Jesus doesn’t have a nickname, it’s that he has too many nicknames and we haven’t yet settled on one.

      After careful thought, I think it should simply be “Zeus”. Think about it.

      • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

        It would sound good at the Stadium too.

        ZEUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUS

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          It’s still religiously reverent (but not explicitly Judeo-Christian, to avoid the foul taste of overt blasphemy for the overly-sensitive) and it’s a play on his name.

          Bonus: He used to play for a team called the “Thunder”. He hits lightningbolt home runs.

          Zeus. King of the gods.

  • Reggie C.

    Since Montero has been compared favorably to Miggy Cabrera… Miggy’s first 315 ABs (2003): .268/.325/.468/.793. Miggy then launched into all-star level production the next season (.294/.366/.512/.879); his first full season, at age 21.

    Montero could have that type of trajectory.

    • Rose

      He also won the World Series in his first year with the Marlins. That would be nice too…

      • http://www.miraluka.com woainidepigu

        I would really prefer that Montero does not win the World Series with the Marlins in his first year…

        • Bo

          Then dont trade him for Josh Johnson.

          • All Praise Be To Mo

            I’ll take Hanley though

  • DaveinMD

    I don’t think its the consensus at all that Montero won’t be a catcher going forward. That was the consensus a year ago, but more and more people are talking about him staying at catcher at least in a part time role.

    • Hey ZZ

      Mark (NJ)

      Cashman said last week that he feels Montero has one of the best arms in the minors, does that mean he would project as a better defender than Piazza was? Regardless, its not like Jorge has ever been a great receiver.
      Jim Callis (2:41 PM)

      You can project him as a better defender than Piazza, though he’s no lcok to be a catcher. He has a strong arm, but he also has a long arm action that undercuts it. He needs to get more accurate and quicker with his throws, and improve his receiving. That said, the easiest way to get him in the lineup may be at catcher so I wouldn’t rule that out.

      • DaveinMD

        And he’s still real young. If he’s close to Piazza level on defense, that will more than fine with his bat.

    • Bo

      You force feed him at catcher until he proves he definitively cannot catch.

      If V Martinez and Piazza can catch 120 games he would have to be really poor not to.

  • Hey ZZ

    Any predictions on Montero’s line this year in AAA?

    • http://twitter.com/tafkasic the artist formerly known as (sic)

      300/400/550

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        800/950/1900

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

          Interesting, all this time I thought you were bullish on Montero, but now you’re going conservative.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            I gave him only a .950 OBP because I’m anticipating a few webgems by the other team’s defense robbing him of a few singles here and there.

            • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

              I thought you were just adding in his at bats against Casey Kelly.

              • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                No, that screws up the whole calculation.

                You can’t divide by zero.

    • Chip

      .340/.450/.620

      He’s gonna dominate

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        He’s gonna dominate

        And hammer them. He’s gonna play dirty, but not get caught. Throw some elbows. If someone breaks a collarbone, that’s a good thing, that’s what the medic is for. Otherwise, he’s just sitting around.

    • Reggie C.

      Montero was so good in 2009, you almost have to expect Montero’s numbers to “retreat” some. I think he’ll show more power in AAA. I’d love to see him OPS .900 in 500 ABs.

      • http://www.yfsf.org AndrewYF

        I don’t know if that’s true. To get a true look at just how good Montero was last season, look at his away splits. Trenton saps hitters of numbers just as much as Lancaster used to make non-prospects into superstars.

      • Bo

        why would they have to retreat? Wouldnt the getting older and smarter and in better shape thing mean more here?

        • andrew

          But a large portion of his numbers were accumulated in A ball last year. I don’t think we should expect his numbers to improve, and i wouldn’t be surprised if his numbers weren’t as good. At the same time, producing at similar levels at AAA as he did at AA means he has improved tremendously as a player in the offseason.

  • Hey ZZ

    Is Montero’s arm strong enough to pitch to be the heir apparent to Mo or is he destined to be the 8th inning closer?

    • pete

      no. he just doesn’t have that bull-in-a-chinashop mentality. plus he’s venezuelan. he’s liable to get complacent

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        plus he’s venezuelan. he’s liable to get complacent

        Probably due to the rampant communism and all.

    • Mike Pop

      Does he have bulldog mentality enough to be the bridge?

    • Bo

      Can lame jokes be moved to the open thread now too?

      • V

        Only 4 hours late. WTG Bo!!!

  • Rose

    This year will be a true test for him mentally. Last year he was touched upon…but not really boasted about like he has been this off season. We’ll see how he reacts to this, the pressure, and anything else that may play a role in contrasting this year from last.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    We should have an RAB office pool on:

    1) What date Montero makes his MLB game debut
    2) How many plate appearances he gets in 2010

    Put me down for Sunday, September 5th (in the early game of a day-night doubleheader at YS3) against the Toronto Blue Jays for his first game action and 24 September plate appearances.

    • Rose

      Does he catch or DH?

      • Rose

        I guess Nick Johnson’s health plays a major role…as well as any mid-season pick ups, Jorge’s health, etc. But saying everything stays the same as it is right now…

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Does he catch or DH?

          I’ll say nothing but catch. Zero 2010 big league PA’s as a DH.

          I guess Nick Johnson’s health plays a major role…

          No, it doesn’t. 2010 Nick Johnson and 2010 Jesus Montero are utterly unrelated.

          • Rose

            Depending on the standings…putting a rookie catcher behind the plate who has never seen many of these guys might be risky in September. Therefore, if Nick Johnson is hurt…and we’re using the DH slot as a revolving door…it may make more sense to put Montero there. But there are several various conditions where either scenario may work.

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              A.) I’m already factoring into my calculations my estimate of how many of those September games will be meaningless and thus, prime Montero catching time.
              B.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis

              • Rose

                B.) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ellipsis

                I know. Sometimes, when not writing a term paper, I make up my own rules and use it in place of a “comma” because I don’t like seeing comma’s all over the place. Personal preference type thing. If it bothers others, I can only apologize haha

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  Using excessive commas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using excessive ellipses

                • Jack
                • http://iheartrerun.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rerun.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  That… Makes no sense. We’re all a little liberal with ellipsis when writing casually, but to consciously use them in place of another type of punctuation when you know that you’re doing it wrong and doing it wrong serves no purpose, just for the hell of it… Makes no sense.

                • Rose

                  Using excessive commas >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> using excessive ellipses

                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWdd6_ZxX8c (SAFE)

                • Rose

                  That… Makes no sense. We’re all a little liberal with ellipsis when writing casually, but to consciously use them in place of another type of punctuation when you know that you’re doing it wrong and doing it wrong serves no purpose, just for the hell of it… Makes no sense.

                  It’s a habit picked up from years of AIM, Facebook, Myspace, etc. It’s basically just something I’ve used for a long time that I don’t really care to grammatically correct because it’s just basically a problem on message boards to people who know what it is…which is very seldom. I don’t abuse them when writing anything professional so I never had a sense of urgency to do anything with it.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  Yeah, I get you.

                  When I was a kid, I used to piss and shit right in the special underwear my parents put on me. I could learn to piss and shit in a toilet like a normal adult human being, but, why bother? People know what pissing and shitting is. It’s not a big deal, IMO.

                • http://iheartrerun.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rerun.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Understandable, I suppose. I don’t really get why people write that way in the first place when using any of those services if they know the correct way to write, so I guess I just see things differently than the myspace crowd.

                • Rose

                  Yeah, I get you.

                  When I was a kid, I used to piss and shit right in the special underwear my parents put on me. I could learn to piss and shit in a toilet like a normal adult human being, but, why bother? People know what pissing and shitting is. It’s not a big deal, IMO.

                  Exactly. See, I just wish more people would understand.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  Hey, look! An ellipsis conversation over here!

                  http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ent-784175

                • http://iheartrerun.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rerun.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  Dude… You’re poking the mouth-breathers and pissing people off with this ellipsis thing, but I love it. The rampant overuse of ellipsis has always bugged me. It’s totally understandable to use them more in casual, conversational writing, but it’s ridiculous to use them in place of any and all other types of punctuation.

                  So… (ellipsis!) Good for you, sir. Fight the good fight, I’m on board.

                • Rose

                  “Dogs and cats…living together…MASS HYSTERIA!!”

                  /Irony’d

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  Now if I could only take out Januz and his nestled parentheticals…

                • Rose

                  So… (ellipsis!) Good for you, sir. Fight the good fight, I’m on board.

                  This may call for a proper name change (w/ coronation)!

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              Therefore, if Nick Johnson is hurt…and we’re using the DH slot as a revolving door…it may make more sense to put Montero there.

              1.) http://www.homeruncards.com/im.....thames.jpg (safe)
              2.) http://cdn.bleacherreport.com/.....eature.jpg (safe)

              Jesus Montero is, at best, Plan C for 2010 DH plate appearances if Nick Johnson misses significant time. And that’s not counting the increased DH at bats that Posada would get, moving Cervelli into a larger role.

              Nick Johnson and Jesus Montero really don’t have much to do with each other. Jesus is far higher on the C master depth chart than the 1B/DH master depth chart.

              • Rose

                I’ll agree with that. Do you think the manager or pitching coach signal rookie guys on what to throw certain batters? Or do the pitchers themselves just take over at this point.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  (confused… trying to figure out what this question has to do with what we’re currently talking about)

                • Rose

                  (confused… trying to figure out what this question has to do with what we’re currently talking about)

                  Answer: Nothing.

                  I was trying to “go green” and/or kill two birds with one stone. Asking the question in a current reply box as opposed to submitting it and writing a fresh one at the bottom all over again. The only difference between the two would have been YOU, solely, responding to the question above in the way that I put it, whereas everybody would be more likely to respond with their opinions had I re-written a brand new question below. Didn’t really matter to me either way, it was just faster doing it the way I chose.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  Ah. I see.

                  ————

                  :: fart joke ::

          • Bo

            No one is more optimistic about Nick Johnson being a pillar of health than Eric here.

        • Hey ZZ

          NJ and Montero will both be the DH

          http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_Yv4m.....at+bat.jpg

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Well played.

          • Mike Pop

            I chuckled.

          • Jack

            It’s all in the hips. It’s all in the hips. It’s all in the hips. It’s all in . . .

  • CountryClub

    Here’s a piece of a Chad Jennings interview with Mark Newman:

    The Yankees have been encouraged by Montero’s improved footwork behind the plate. He threw out 31.8 percent of base runners in Trenton, which is pretty solid and much better than the 12.5 percent he threw out in the first half of the season in Tampa. Actually, Montero’s caught stealing percentage in Trenton was better than Romine’s season percentage in Tampa (though I don’t think anyone would suggest Montero is at Romine’s level in that regard). Newman said some of the improvement came because Montero adjusted his footwork so that he pivots on his right foot rather than taking a step or a slide.

    “That seems to work for him,” Newman said. “It’s an older school approach.”

    Newman stressed – as he’s done pretty much every time I’ve mentioned Montero’s name the past few years – that the Yankees still see their top prospect as a catcher. With Scranton/Wilkes-Barre, though, there’s a chance Montero will get some time at first base, at least during drills. It’s something all catchers in the Yankees system do. I’ve seen Francisco Cervelli, Chris Stewart and Kevin Cash take ground balls at third base. P.J. Pilittere has gotten a bit of playing time at first.

    “He’ll get that as a matter of course,” Newman said. “But all of our guys do. It won’t be anything special for him.”

    http://yankees.lhblogs.com/200.....ep-closer/

  • Jramey

    he hits:
    .343/.415/.557/.972

  • Ellipses S. Grant (Formerly Rose)

    Formerly asked above but incorrectly (in a reply).

    Do you think the manager or pitching coach signal rookie guys on what to throw certain batters? Or do the pitchers themselves just take over at this point.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Another name change??!?!?! MULTIPLE INTERROBANGS?!??!?!?!?

      You’re entering SBGL territory…

      • Ellipses S. Grant (Formerly Rose)

        Well I announced it (http://riveraveblues.com/2010/.....ent-784465) and I’m putting my ‘alma mater’ in the name for the time being. No good?

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Hey, who am I to tell you what to call yourself?

          Rock out with your Gallinari out, bro.

    • Tubby

      I’m still trying to find out who won the Alan Thicke v. Josh Taylor cage match…

      • Ellipses S. Grant (Formerly Rose)

        Man, it was something. Charles Grodin snuck in from under the ring and hit Josh Taylor with brass knuckles.

        Obviously Thicke and Grodin were in cahoots all along…

        • Tubby

          I think we all see where this is headed…a Texas Tornado Tag Team match between Thicke/Grodin and Taylor/Bakula…

          • Ellipses S. Grant (Formerly Rose)

            LOL. With special guest referee:

            Michael Gross
            (Only because Mr. Belvedere is no longer with us)

  • emac2

    I love this site. Between the absolute knowledge of the Yankees plans and prospect upside I should be able to make a lot of money!

    The Pecota for Montero is dismissed because Posada has only done that twice? Isn’t that about as relevant as what Girardi did in his first year?

    I would buy into an argument that looked at comparable hitting prospects but to say that means posada because both are catchers is trying a little too hard to make the point.

    If we needed a DH this year and the catching idea was already dismissed I would start him as a DH with no concern at all that his development would stall or that he would suddenly lose his ability to hit. I don’t think people realize how good of a prospect they are if they don’t think he would already hit well in the majors if given over 500 at bats.

    And if he is hitting 340 in AAA and we need a DH due to injury Miranda will not automatically be called up first.

    • http://www.riveraveblues.com Mike Axisa

      When did I dismiss the PECOTA projection? I provided it, said it was very optimistic, and provided a basis for comparison.

      You: 1
      Strawman: 0

      • emac2

        “PECOTA pegs Montero as a .299-.352-.498 hitter with 23 homers if given 528 plate appearances in the big leagues next year, which is obviously an extremely optimistic projection.”

        How do you define dismiss?

        I define it as listing the prediction and not only saying it is optimistic but then adding an adjective to make it clear that it isn’t just optimistic but really more along the lines of uninformed.

        You then provided a basis for comparison of a hitters hitting ability by using positional comparisons for catcher when you know he isn’t going to be a full time catcher and when you know catcher is about the worst offensive position on the diamond.

        The bottom line here is that Montero is a top 5 hitting prospect and if you want to assess his hitting you should be doing so with top 5 hitting prospects not with a catcher who happens to be on the same team. (could you find a lamer comp?)

        Your method is great for supporting a point you came up with before review but it is pretty useless for the comparison you tried to make and is more disinformation then proof.

  • Bo

    You do everything you can to make this kid a catcher. because his value is highest behind the plate.

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  • Rod

    Don’t forget that he also played in pitcher’s parks located in pitcher’s leagues last season. Unless his AA performance was small sample size fueled, he’s already made the biggest jump short of AAA to MLB.

  • Bart

    I think that Jesus’ nickname should be “J-Mo”.