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As the sports world has come to focus on the daily minutiae of baseball, we often forget to look at the big picture. We examine lineup configurations for the optimal daily performance. We look at whether or not star players will sign or resign for how much money they’re actually worth. We second-guess pitching moves and strategic plays. But now and then, it’s worth to let it all go for a little while and enjoy the history of it all.

Beyond the October run, the Yanks and their fans got a glimpse of history, appropriately enough, in a game the team lost. On a Friday night in September — the 11th, in fact — in a game in which the Yanks were beaten badly by the Orioles, Derek Jeter set the record for most career hits as a Yankee. Both teams came together to applaud Jeter’s feat, and the fans loved it even if Andy Pettitte and the bullpen couldn’t salvage a win on a rainy night.

It should be just the first of many milestones Derek Jeter and Alex Rodriguez reach over the next few years. Assuming that Jeter re-ups with the Yankees — and don’t worry, he will — the Yankees are in for years of milestones, says Times beat writer Ben Shpigel. He writes of the projections that predict record-setting careers for A-Rod and Jeter:

If he stays healthy, Rodriguez, who turns 35 in July, is the top candidate to shatter Barry Bonds’s career record of 762 home runs. Sometime near the 2011 All-Star Game break, Jeter, who currently has 2,747 hits, is projected to get his 3,000th.

It remains highly unlikely that he will break Pete Rose’s mark of 4,256 — he would have to average 216 hits over the next seven seasons — but there is a good chance that Jeter, who turns 36 in June, will end his career with at least 3,400 to 3,500 hits. Only eight players have amassed more than 3,400, and only five have reached the 3,500 mark, beginning with Tris Speaker at 3,514.

Shpigel talked to Kevin Goldstein of Baseball Prospectus about PECOTA and Sean Smith about his CHONE projections. Both analysts believe A-Rod and Jeter to be prime candidates for history. Derek, they believe, will retire among the top hitters of all time, and A-Rod will be right there with him. As long as the two stay healthy, these milestones are well within reach.

For the rest of us — those of us who pay to watch the team play, those of us who are paid to cover the team — we can just sit back and watch history unfold. Maybe A-Rod will be overpaid over the next few seasons; maybe Jeter will get a contract extension that rewards him for being Derek Jeter and not for being a short stop approaching 40. But as history unfolds, we can forget those problems and appreciate the generational talent showing us their wares on the baseball field. It is, after all, what makes baseball great.

Photo Credit: AP Photo/Seth Wenig

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  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    Nary a single comment about ARod passing Cap Anson and becoming the 20th member of the 100 WAR Club this May/June-ish?

    Somewhere (in the Bronx), I shed a single tear.

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      Let’s remember to mark the day so we can pause the game, rush out onto the field to congratulate Alex and confuse the hell out of everyone not up-to-date on their WAR leader board.

      • http://www.richardiurilli.com Richard Iurilli

        This has potential to be the coolest thing ever.

      • Joey

        I’m in. Pat’s gonna have to sit this one out though, the previous arrests will go against him big time in court

        • pat

          Punch a few babies and all of a sudden you’re a “menace to society”. Bull.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            You tell ‘em, pat.

            Jennifer Lopez’s punk kids had it coming anyway. They deserved to be punched. I don’t care if you don’t have teeth yet; I’ll smack you right in the jaw anyway. Snot nosed brats.

    • Salty Buggah

      I’m still loving your new nickname for him.

      CentWAR Centaur

      Just awesome.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        It’s mirthful and mythical. Advisory and alliterative.

        An idiomatic informative irreverent in-joke.

        (I’ll stop, I promise.)

    • bexarama

      But I thought it didn’t matter because A-Rod murdered baseball.

      (is it wrong that the thing that bothers me almost more than the article is the spelling of Pettitte on the side of the article? You’re ESPN. Get the professional athlete’s name right.)

  • Kevin G.

    I wonder when A-Rod will hit his 600th home run this year

    • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

      I’d guess mid-June. Interleague play.

      • Kevin G.

        I hope it’s against the Mets

        • bexarama

          Heh. It’d be kind of awesome if Mo got save #500 against the Mets in 2009, A-Rod hit home run #600 against them in 2010, and in 2011, I dunno, Jeter got hit #3000.

    • bexarama

      For whatever reason, a lot of people are predicting/projecting the series against the Astros.

      • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

        Sometime during that homestand is a safe bet. It’s 17 home runs into the season, and it would, in an ideal world, happen at home.

  • Salty Buggah

    We are lucky that we get to see A-Rod, one of the best ever, steroids or not, and Jeter, also one of the best ever, on the same side of the infield everyday.

    (Aside: The picture is clearly photoshopped or they’re posing because they HATE each other’s guts, right?!?!)

    • bexarama

      that was obviously back when they had sleepovers every night or whatever it was.

      The epic A-Rod and Jeter man-hugs after they won the WS did my heart really good, I must say.

      • JGS

        nah–Jeter decked him right after this picture was taken

        • Yankeefan

          Actually, if you watched them during the season (which I did) you will note that they are in fact getting along quite will. And during the post-season they could be seen sitting together, talking, and Jeter clapping everytime A-Rod hit homers and RBI’s. They are well past their old problems and have moved on. I am not sure what folks want to see to know they are getting along now.

      • Salty Buggah

        Also during the WS, they became “friendly”…

        http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_91s-...../jeter.jpg

        • Salty Buggah

          Actually, that was the ALCS. My bad

        • bexarama

          I really love the way that his hand doesn’t just grip, it cups.

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Hideki looks jealous.

            • DP

              I was going to make a “Hideki has a lot of porn” joke here. Instead I’ll say this: that porn collection thing is COMPLETELY REAL. This girl I’m friend with, her dad works for the Yes network or something, she has no reason to lie (didn’t even know who Matsui was.) She told me at some event, Matsui showed a bunch of people the collection. It’s literally a room turned into a library of porn. Wall to wall, floor to ceiling. The TV flips on to porn when you enter the room.

              • http://www.wiredtowns.com Short Porch

                Hentai has to be at least a wall to itself. Then there’s the school uniforms. Oy. And no, I will not tell you what’s featured on wall 3, but it’s a Japanese word starts with a ‘b.’ And you’ll never look at Hello Kitty! the same way.

                Can you turn Japanese if you are already Japanese?

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  And no, I will not tell you what’s featured on wall 3, but it’s a Japanese word starts with a ‘b.

                  Hint: it rhymes with “smusmakke”.

          • pat

            Wait til you see the .gif. He tries to rip that sucker straight off Jeter’s body.

            http://www.totalprosports.com/.....s-grab.gif

            • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

              Heh. Watch the last frame. Derek’s looking around all confused, like “Where the hell did my wallet go?”

  • bexarama

    This is… exciting.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      YOU’RE excited?!?! FEEL THESE NIPPLES!!!!!!

      /Costas’d

      • Snakes on the mother effin plane

        Bite me!!!

        /Albert’d

  • pat

    I’ll be honest, I’ve never even heard of Tris Speaker. He did have a pretty badass nickname, The Grey Eagle. They don’t nickname em like that anymore.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Tris Speaker? Who the hell is Tris Speaker? Who is that, your buddy sittin’ on the couch next to ya?

    • Dalelama

      Funny how Jeter never got a nickname.

      • Big Juan

        Not really a nickname…but he does have “The Captain”.

      • Spaceman.Spiff

        Captain Clutch, Mr. November, nothing really that stuck but he’s not completely nicknameless.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          The Blazing Copper Horse?

    • Bo

      You’ve never heard of Tris Speaker? Yet you are on a baseball blog posting? Maybe you should read a few baseball history books and watch some Ken Burns.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        Yeah, YOU TELL ‘IM, STEVE-DAVE!!!

      • Snakes on the mother effin plane

        Agreed. I remember when I had to buy a new copy of the Baseball Encyclo b/c my first one was so dog eared.

  • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

    Counting stat time. Entering this April:
    Jeter: 2747 H, 438 2B, 224 HR, 1068 RBI, 1574 R, 885 BB, 305 SB, 3973 TB
    Nails: 2531 H, 445 2B, 583 HR, 1706 RBI, 1683 R, 1060 BB, 297 SB, 4779 TB

    ———————

    2010:
    Alex chases down HR #600 and 5,000 total bases; Jeter gets 4,000 total bases and possibly HR #250

    2011:
    Jeter gets hit #3000 and double #500; ARod hits his 500th double and passes Ken Griffey (630 and counting) for 5th on the homer list and possibly passes Willie Mays (660) for 4th

    2012:
    Jeter gets walk #1,000 and passes Craig Biggio (3,060) for top 20 all time in hits, possibly passes Lou Gehrig (1,888) for top 20 all time runs scored; ARod also joins the top 10 runs scored club and passes Barry Bonds (1,995) to become only the 4th man to ever drive in 2,000 runs

    2013: Jeter joins Alex, Henderson, Cobb, Bonds, Aaron, Ruth, Rose, and Mays as the only men to score 2,000 runs and hits homer #300 and gets hit #3,200; Alex passes Ruth to become top 3 in all-time homers, gets walk #1,500 and joins the 3,000 hit club

    2014: Jeter passes Eddie Collins (3,315) for top 10 all time in hits, gets 5,000 total bases (top 20) and steal #400; Nails gets within shouting distance of Aaron and Bonds

    2015: Unless he’s retired already, Jeter gets hit #3,500 (top 5); ARod breaks the home run record and passes Mays (6,066) and Musial (6,134) for #2 on the all time total bases list behind only Hammerin’ Hank (6,856)

    2016: Homer #800. Top 3 all time career WAR.

    2017: Pussytubing.

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      Whoops:

      “… Jeter gets walk #1,000 and passes Craig Biggio (3,060) for top 20 10 all time in hits, possibly passes Lou Gehrig (1,888) for top 20 all time runs scored; ARod also joins the top 10 runs scored club…”

      • Ed

        You made it worse that time…

        “… Jeter gets walk #1,000 and passes Craig Biggio (3,060) for top 20 10 20 all time in hits, possibly passes Lou Gehrig (1,888) for top 20 10 all time runs scored; ARod also joins the top 10 runs scored club…”

        • Ed

          Grr, it killed my strikethrus… worked in the preview…

          • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

            Darn it all to heck.

            Ed: 1
            Me: 0

      • Rose

        Why did you change top 20 to top 10 there? I still can’t believe Craig Biggio is in the top 20 hit leaders category.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          I made a mistake again (which Ed caught).

          It should read:

          “… Jeter gets walk #1,000 and passes Craig Biggio (3,060) for top 20 all time in hits, possibly passes Lou Gehrig (1,888) for top 20 10 all time runs scored; ARod also joins the top 10 runs scored club…”

          There. That’s right.

    • DP

      Pussytubing only comes with KILLING. I dunno if either of these two are ready to KILL.

    • Big Juan

      2012:
      Jeter gets walk #1,000 and passes Craig Biggio (3,060) for top 20 all time in hits, possibly passes Lou Gehrig (1,888) for top 20 all time runs scored; ARod also joins the top 10 runs scored club and passes Barry Bonds (1,995) to become only the 4th man to ever drive in 2,000 runs
      all while saving the world from its fiery impending death.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        He’ll carry us all to safety on his vast equine haunches.

        COME WITH ME IF YOU WANT TO LIVE!!!!!

        /AlexSchwarzenegger’d

    • pat

      I’m pretty sure there’s at least a minute amount of pussy tubing happening now.

    • Salty Buggah

      I was going to ask why they have to wait until 2017 to pussytube but I realized they are going pussytubing every night right now but in 2017, that’s ALL they do (outside of showing up for Spring Training, Old-Timers’ Day, and being there for other players for the World Series)

    • JGS

      2010:
      Alex chases down HR #600 and 5,000 total bases; Jeter gets 4,000 total bases and possibly HR #250

      26 home runs for Derek this year? seems a bit bullish

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        I did say “possibly”.

      • http://www.secondavenuesagas.com Benjamin Kabak

        Agreed. Jeter’s not going to top his career high in home runs this year. Mid-2011 is a safer bet for 250.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          Fair enough.

          Getting your 250th homer, 500th double, and 3,000th hit all in one year: Jeterian.

    • Dalelama

      How many World Series titles would you expect in those 8 years? I would be happy with 2.

      • bexarama

        75

      • Jack

        I would be happy with 2.

        No you wouldn’t.

        • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

          I think you’re correct.

      • Not the Rays

        9.

  • pat

    Arod’s reign as homerun king will surely be a short one. According to the PFMA projections Montero should overtake him later that week.

    • DP

      Arod’s reign as homerun king will surely be a short one. According to the PFMA projections Montero Ryan Westmoreland should overtake him later that week.

      • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

        2018: Casey Kelly hits homer #900, gets win #512.

        • DP

          In the same game.

          • Salty Buggah

            Not only that. Kelly throws a perfect game for win #512 and his HR #900 is walkoff platinum slam (which will have happened only 4 times in MLB history…all by him)

            • Salty Buggah

              Also, in that same game, Jose Iglesias breaks Pete Rose’s hits record. I mean, the guy has hands of gold and incredible plate balance, it’ll be hard for him not to!

              /Peter Gammons’d
              http://twitter.com/pgammo/status/9602562009

              • bexarama

                http://twitter.com/pgammo/status/9522291010

                At the end of this season Manny will have made $205M in 12 years, and is back to his 2008 tricks. McCourt would love him to retire. Today

                Manny, 2008 with Red Sox:
                .299/.398/.529/.926, 136 OPS+
                ZOMG HE WASN’T TRYING GUYS.

                • KayGee

                  TO be fair…he did sit out games against the Yankees in protest while claiming injury… and didn’t take the bat off his shoulders against Rivera in his pinch hitting appearance

                • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

                  JD Drew sits out games all the time, and Theo and Gammons love him. And it’s far from a fact that Manny sat out games in protest, that’s the Red Sox propaganda machine. To further Bexy’s point, in the month that Manny “quit on the Red Sox” he hit .343/.473/.587.

                • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

                  And, in that month where he “quit on the Red Sox”, he played in 22 of 24 games, extrapolate that out and that’s 148 games for the season, which would have put him 2nd on the team in games played that year.

                • KayGee

                  It is not “far from a fact”…and that is not the Red Sox Propoganda Machine..his teamates and coaches/owneership all agreed….that is a guy with no real physical ailments who was sent for x rays and MRI’s and given a clean bill of health refusing to play against a division rival…it was clearly a protest over a contract situation…if you think he didn’t protest those games and that at-bat against Rivera, I guess there is no point in arguing this further…there are no stats to back up a claim like this…but it was very clear what he was doing

                  JD Drew is labeled soft by many, but Ive never seen him questioned the way Manny was.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada
                • KayGee

                  You are a character…I’ll give you that

                  If you don’t realize that this is a respnse section of a blog and some people have to write quickly without 100% regard for proper punctuation..then honestly you are an asshole

                  That is how some people write quick thoughts down…it is not an attempt to be fucking gramatically accurate…

                  I read your comments on here all the time…you are obviously very intelligent..but you are constantly calling people out on little things like that because you are an arrogant prick…if these comments get deleted…so be it…you are not better than everyone because you take time to check your MLA handbook before you click the add comment button

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  I don’t have to check the MLA handbook before every comment, because over time, when someone pointed out to me the things mistakes I’d been making in my writing, instead of defensively saying “Dude whatever… its just a chat board its not a big deal stop being a dick”, I actually listened to their constructive criticism and took their advice to heart, eliminating my habitual mistakes one by one until eventually I became a better, clearer, more grammatically correct writer.

                  There’s no excuse for willful ignorance.

                • KayGee

                  That is not constructive criticism..constructive criticism would be saying…”Hey Kay Gee, I think if you structured your sentences properly and proofread them once before posting, your points would be represented more clearly and people here would be more responsive”…Just adding a Wikipedia link comes across as being an asshole…

                  When I am posting a response on a blog, I do not think it is necessary to write everything out as if I am Ben, Mike, or Joe…if they started using my response structure, maybe you would have a gripe…and it is not willful ignorance either…I know what ellipsis are and do not use them in regular writing…if you are so against their use on here, thats fine.

                • http://iheartrerun.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/rerun.jpg The Honorable Congressman Mondesi

                  No, it was constructive criticism. Constructive criticism is “criticism or advice that is useful and intended to help or improve something, often with an offer of possible solutions,” and that’s exactly what TSJC’s comment was. The distinction you’re drawing isn’t between constructive criticism and non-constructive criticism. What you’re looking for is to be treated with kid-gloves because you don’t appreciate being criticized, whether that criticism is constructive or not. You want people to go out of their way to be nicer to you, to take the sting off of being criticized, no matter how constructive that criticism may be.

                  One person in this conversation called another person an asshole and used other profanity in his comments. You should take a look back over these comments, with a calmer eye, and reconsider your interpretation of them and your position.

                • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

                  But the problem isn’t that you need to proofread more clearly.

                  Your problem is you’re differentiating “regular writing” with “fucked up writing” and subjecting us to the latter, either out of spite, ignorance, laziness, sloth, habit, or general disrespect for societal norms.

                  You know that excessive use of ellipses is wrong, and yet you use them here anyway, because you feel like it or are unwilling to change despite the numerous reasons to do so. You want us to then read your grammatical diarrhea with glad hands and open arms and nary a quibble of protest.

                  You thus calling me an asshole for taking issue with it seems like the pot calling the kettle black.

                • bexarama

                  Hey, I started a fight!!

                • KayGee

                  To Mondesi:

                  I don’t need to be treated with kid gloves…the idea that I cannot accept criticism is in your head…To be honest, this blog has completely changed the way I view baseball and statistics and I readily admit that…for the majority of my baseball-following life, I did not see things the way I see them now.

                  I have seen TJSC use his sarcastic and sometimes dismissive writing against other people here before… and constructive criticism is not copy and paste of a Wikipedia link…it is a snark way of saying that I am using ellipsis incorrectly. If he wants to do that, it is fine but I have every right to respond. Is profanity the best way to do that? No…but thats how I speak. There are many times I view TJSC’s comments and say “Wow that was a real dick thing to say”

                  TJSC:
                  General disrespect for societal norms? I mean seriously, remarks like that are just ridiculous. I think this comment section is generally considered an informal forum on which we are writing…the relatively regular references to pussytubing and other inappropriate things illustrates that. Does it really offend you that I jot down thoughts and separate them with … ? Does it really offend you when people misspell or do not punctuate properly? If it does, so be it.

                  This is not your website and as long as I am not told by the admins that this type of writing is forbidden, that is how I will respond when I am at work and in a rush to respond to something. If you feel the need to respond, that is your own choice.

                • KayGee

                  And just to make something clear:

                  TJSC – most of the baseball related comments you make here are dead on and I have a lot of respect for your knowledge and for the fact that your writing is polished…the article you wrote on Heyman and Blyleven’s HOF candidacy was fuckin golden.

                  I know just the mention of the Mets makes some people cringe, but I look at Cerrone’s “write-on-the-go” style and his use of ellipsis and have no problem with that…and I guess that is where we differ in opinion. The majority of the time I am on here is at work which requires quick writing without much time for pause and proofreading

                • Not the Rays

                  Ben? Mike? Joe? Can we have, say, an upper limit of two ellipses per comment incorporated into the commenting guidelines?

                  That would be super swell.

        • JGS

          pfft…he could hit 100 home runs and win 57 games per year with his right hand tied behind his back. If you want him to try, make it 2014

  • sevrox

    Manny – Yankee DH 2011?

  • steve (different one)

    none of this matters, b/c the yankees will never win a World Series as long as A-Rod is on the team.

    /99% of everyone on earth including yankee fans from Feb 2003-November 2009

    • http://twitter.com/tsjc68 tommiesmithjohncarlos a/k/a Archimedes Torquemada

      http://starcasm.net/wp-content.....entaur.jpg

      SHUT UP WOMAN GET ON MY HORSE

      • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templeton_Peck Templeton “Brendog” Peck

        give it a lick, it tastes just like raisins

    • Bo

      99% is a tad strong there if you include Yankee fans. They were plenty that said all he needed was a few good starting pitchers and not guys named Pavano, Igawa, Wright, a 40+ yr old Johnson, etc.

      • steve (different one)

        i will concede that it wasn’t a scientific study that got me to that number.

        • http://mystiqueandaura.com Steve H

          Did you at least run the numbers on a spreadsheet first?

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Templeton_Peck Templeton “Brendog” Peck

    i was at that jeter game. the feeling was amazing. it was quite….eerie

    /mondesi-bait’d