Open Thread: A night off


Photo Credit: Elise Amendola, AP

Play a game, take the next day off. What is this, the playoffs? I’ll be here all week, folks.

Here’s the open thread for the evening. The Knicks are in action, plus you’ve got the Butler-Duke National Championship Game. There’s two new episodes of 24 on as well, which is where you can find me. You know what to do, so have at it.

Categories : Open Thread


  1. ultimate913 says:

    Anyone notice that Swisher is the only one not clapping in that photo?

  2. bexarama says:

    So last time I checked the Royals/Tigers game it was 4-1 in favor of the Royals. Now it is 8-4 Tigers. Greinke went 6 innings and gave up 1 ER (2 R) and is gonna get a ND. Royals bullpen y’all.

  3. Neil says:

    can’t wait for the new 24 episodes

  4. steve says:

    did anyone watch AJax tonight? i saw he had an rbi single but how did he look in his AB’s ? how about in the field ? anyone ? …. buehler ?

  5. Drew says:

    I unleashed my secret fantasy weapon in Tier 6 today.

  6. ultimate913 says:

    There are 2 new 24 episodes? Awesome. Today >>> Yesterday

  7. pat says:

    Hey Drew, how about that new QB. Wtf?

    • pat says:

      Man, my punctuation sucks.

    • Drew says:

      Man, I’m pumped.

      I’m not a Clausen fan and was afraid to risk the 4th pick on him or Bradford.

      This is the first time I’ve had a true, starting QB. I’m 23 and have never had faith in the man in the middle of the huddle. I was only five when we won the SB in 91.

      I can’t explain how thrilled I was when I heard the news.

      Now, I’m just excited to see what we do with the 4th pick. I’m hoping we trade down and get 2 picks to make up for the lost 2nd rounder.

      • pat says:

        Wow, I wasn’t expecting that. When I first heard I was very puzzled. I guess you guys really must hate Campbell. I’m glad you’re happy. I don’t really know what to think. I hate that he’s still in the division, but does he really have any weapons? If you don’t trade now, at least you’re in a good position to pick up a franchise LT, maybe Okung or Balaga.

        • Drew says:

          Man, I was rooting hard for Campbell. I gave him the benefit of the doubt. In 08, he started great, then fell off the earth. Last season it was more of the same, inconsistency. I don’t know if it’s just a failure of repeating his throwing motion, or if his mental clock is just off. His only consistent throw was a slant. I’m done with Campbell now.

          It’s not like he had a ton of weapons in Philly, other than Westbrook and more recently Jackson.

          Some say Portis is done, I strongly disagree. We’ve got Cooley and Moss. I love Malcolm Kelly’s hands and height. Devin Thomas has speed. The O-Line has been okay. Heyer, Rabach and Dockery are solid on the line. Okung would be a great help but I still think I’d rather trade down.

          Our defense is what gives us a shot at winning everyday. Now we have a QB who just might be able to win a couple games on his own.

          I was surprised so many Skins fans weren’t too happy with the trade. I know Mcnabb isn’t young Mcnabb but, give the guy a running game and see what happens.

  8. The Sheepmeister says:

    I have a mixture of emotions about Beckett getting a 4 year/68M extension. I am happy because he looks to be on the downside, but am slightly worried that he may regain form.

    • Tank the Frank says:

      He’ll continue to be a solid pitcher. He’ll never be an “ace” again, if he ever was one. But he’s got solid command which will serve him well in the next few years if he can stay healthy.

  9. Steve H says:

    If you see pat o connor tonight, congratulate him. I think.

    my friend pat o connor just got in gage

  10. Jose says:

    José Alberto Pujols Alcántara: Human or machine?

  11. Sean Serritella says:

    I don’t watch 24. I’ll probably get into it big time after the show runs it’s course and it goes into sindication.

  12. DerMegalodonster says:

    Accent Shallow,

    Sorry, this was the earliest I could respond to your reply on UZR last week…
    Since you shan’t remain a listener and since I’m in need of learning, you’ll help?
    I always felt that a stat was supposed to enhance, adjust, or correct flaws in our understanding and that it does this by delineating a particular skill (-level). Not trade one flaw for another or worsen a flaw, or worse still, simply add one. You disagree? What is your idea of what a stat should do, its purpose?

    “It measures how good a player is at accumulating UZR”
    O.K., ceding even this assertion is valid, what does this mean to you – what does it tell you about that player?
    Joe enumerated at least three causes which could lead to a player’s UZR being not what his innate skill level would ordinarily dictate. Ergo, the stat then is NOT telling us (at least in some cases) who is the more naturally skilled/adept but, further, is actually obfuscating the skill level of the very skill it is intended to illumine! This is useful? This is a “net plus” which “adds value” as Tango would protest? I consider such a system flawed and actually worse than useless, disadvantageous and deleterious. Where do I err?

    At the sites which you suggest I might learn the functionality of wUZR (actual addresses/links would have been helpful), does this “functionality” cover the numerous discrepancies which must be accounted for, the extremity of some of those discrepancies, the volatility or seeming unnatural fluctuations of those discrepancies, etc?
    When you say “functionality” do you mean like the mere 80% accuracy rate which the formulator himself (and his vested interest) concedes and of the negative which he hasn’t the foggiest idea of how to account for but simply replies “such is life”? Oh yes, that’s highly functional. Highly scientific (lol). Sorry, I prefer my scientists/mathematicians a touch more dispassionate/methodical, a tad less doctrinaire. You don’t? At least we can all be thankful that Tangotiger is not constructing our buildings and bridges.

    Unthinking respect for authority is the greatest enemy of truth ~ Albert Einstein
    -or, if you prefer-
    Scientia non habet inimicum nisp Ignorantem (Science has no enemies… but the Ignorant)

    • pete says:

      Nobody’s walking around parading the perfection of UZR dude. But at this point, nobody outside of a major league front office has access to enough data combined with enough technology to come up with a better way of assessing defense. This will change, however, in the next couple years, as parkcam technology and hit/fx and field/fx data become available, and I’d imagine that these things will toss UZR, +/- into antiquity because they will (presumably) be so much better.

      But that doesn’t make UZR worthless. For actual front offices who have access to better info and may already have analysts measuring ball projections speeds, wind effects, etc., it is completely needless, but for fans who don’t have access to that stuff, it’s as good as it’s going to get. As long as you’re smart enough to look only at very large sample sizes and look at other numbers, like Dewan and Fielding Bible data, and avoid relying on these numbers as holistic assessments of 1B defense or as any sort of assessment of C defense, you’ll be ok.

      UZR is for people who are curious about the quantification of defense. It’s a generally fairly reliable stat, provided it isn’t misused. For example, Ichiro is an elite RF, Swisher is an average RF, Chase Utley is an elite 2B, Cano is an average 2B, Longoria is an elite 3B, A-Rod slightly below average, etc. etc. These are things that would become more and more apparent the more you watched, but it would still take a ton of watching to make a proper assessment, UZR just speeds up the process.

      In a recent horror show of an article from Dan Shaugnessy, he quoted a scout who said you can’t just look at a number, you “have to watch a guy for 3 or 4 games”. THAT is the tremendous flaw in pure scouting that stats like UZR and +/- can counterbalance – three to four games is an absurdly negligible sample. A player could be in a defensive slump, he could simply see an abnormally large number of balls hit just outside his range, but none within that aren’t easy plays, which could make it seem like he has limited mobility. On the other hand, he could make a spectacular diving catch on a high fly ball that makes you forget the line drive that dropped in front of him because it took too long for him to judge it (I’m looking at you, Ellsbury).

      The point of UZR is not to be a be-all-end-all stat, it’s to be something of a holdover until technology makes it moot, since right now, it, along with a couple other advanced defensive metrics, is really all we have for gauging defense. If you’re aware of something better that’s publicly available, by all means inform us, but thus far we haven’t found it here.

      • JobaWockeeZ says:


        Pete so so full of win.

      • If you’re aware of something better that’s publicly available, by all means inform us, but thus far we haven’t found it here.

        Re-peted (sic), for emphasis.

      • V says:

        And this is an example of an intelligent response with strong sentence construction.

        And he didn’t need to use words such as “shan’t”, “illumine”, “ergo”, or “deleterious” in an attempt to make his points sound smarter.

      • ROBTEN says:


        Everyone likes stats when they support what they believe, but not everybody likes stats when they challenge belief (see: Teixeira, Mark).

        The point is that the attacks on UZR and other metrics are often straw-man arguments. No one points to any single stat and says that “This tells me everything I need to know.” (And in the case of Teixeira, nobody rational looked at his UZR numbers from last year and, based upon that alone, said that he’s a poor first baseman. This did not happen.)

        The irony is that of all the metrics, UZR might be the most “eye-friendly” (via Pete Abe h/t to Matt at TYU):

        The data used to compile UZR and other advanced statistics comes from Baseball Info Solutions, a company in Coplay, Pa. Owner John Dewan hires only former college or professional players and trains them to chart games via video and record the specific characteristics of every batted ball. “By gosh, there is nobody in the country who watches more games than our people,’’ Dewan said. “I can’t stress that enough. We can get down to the pixel to make a determination.’’


        I wonder how many people who bash UZR realize that it is essentially an attempt to formalize the very things that the scouts they praise as the other of metrics also do.

        The point is, UZR is a tool. It attempts to address things that fielding percentage and the percentage of times you appear on “Top Plays” on Sportscenter do not. However, like all tools, it’s value depends upon whether you understand it and how you use it.

        Will there be better metrics in the future, probably. But, the fact that there are limits now doesn’t mean that it is entirely worthless either.

        • pete says:

          i saw that article in the boston globe. I think we’re finally starting to see the new wave of only somewhat-behind-the-times writers grandfather out the stick-to-ma-guns guys

    • V says:

      D00d. you’re trying way too hard to sound smart. Using words like ‘ergo’ doesn’t make you sound intelligent when your sentence construction is fundamentally weak.

    • pete says:

      also, a good life lesson that my super-awesome 9th grade English teacher taught me: there’s no such thing as a synonym. Every word has a distinct meaning, and the more “different” words you try to incorporate into your writing, the more chances you are going to have of using a word that is incorrect. Sure, some words technically mean the same thing, but there are contextual nuances that can cause a poorly chosen “synonym” to clash with its context, and it drags down the rest of your writing, and makes it sound flowery when it (especially in this setting, where you’re making a direct argument for something) should be concise.

      I’m not trying to be a dick here, but it’s a little tough to take an argument seriously when it, completely unnecessarily and incorrectly, uses words like “deleterious”, it sends out a subconscious message that the underlying points themselves may or may not be valid.

    • Accent Shallow says:

      I’m not much of a Latinist, I’m just a huge fan of Juvenal. Since we’re not too worried about the who should be watching the watchmen, why you shouldn’t get married, or how much of a prick Domitian is, I’ll move on.

      What is your idea of what a stat should do, its purpose?

      A stat should give us perspective on a certain part of the game. Whether it’s something simple as BA, or narrative driven like RBI, or as abstract as linear weights, it should give us something to think about.

      Where do I err? (in re: UZR)

      In the assumption that we can measure defensive contributions as precisely as we can measure offensive contributions. (If this is not one of your assumptions, I apologize.) Regardless, it’s relatively easy to put offensive numbers into context: we have league averages, park factors, replacement levels for various positions, etc. Rarely will you see an argument that a player is over/under valued by his, say, EQA. (Not that I’m a huge fan of EQA, but I believe it consolidates all offensive contributions, including stolen bases/general baserunning)

      For defensive players, we’re using either general play-by-play data (TotalZone), or actual play-by-play data (UZR, +/-, etc). The flaw with TotalZone type metrics is that it doesn’t differentiate between a routine ground ball and a rocket; the flaw with actual play-by-play is that it’s subjectively judged by humans (granted, people who watch hundreds of hours of video, but it’s not quite a science)

      At the sites which you suggest I might learn the functionality of wUZR (actual addresses/links would have been helpful), does this “functionality” cover the numerous discrepancies which must be accounted for, the extremity of some of those discrepancies, the volatility or seeming unnatural fluctuations of those discrepancies, etc?
      When you say “functionality” do you mean like the mere 80% accuracy rate which the formulator himself (and his vested interest) concedes and of the negative which he hasn’t the foggiest idea of how to account for but simply replies “such is life”?

      When I say “functionality”, I mean “how it works, how UZR is calculated.” In retrospect, that’s not the best word. Here is Part 1 of MGL discussing UZR on Baseball Think Factory. Here is the Fangraphs glossary, which contains a link to Part 2 of the above, as well as a discussion of the difference between UZR and +/-. Finally, here is Tangotiger responding to the UZR/Tex question. It doesn’t totally satisfy me, but it’s an insight into the thought process. One last link, that simplifies it a little bit. There’s some good info/discussion of the points you raise in the various comments to these posts, although as with all Internet discussions, there’s the fair share of crap.

      I prefer my scientists/mathematicians a touch more dispassionate/methodical, a tad less doctrinaire.

      If we take UZR as gospel truth, yes, I’d agree. If we take it as just one tool, recognize that it has an uncertainty of +/- 5 runs or so, and that it’s most useful in multiple year samples (simply due to chances. You wouldn’t write a hitter off based on 200 AB, would you? On that note, I really should provide a cite for that), then it can provide insight. UZR is useful solely because it’s better than just trusting our eyes, which can deceive us — none of us are going to see every game in person, and the ones we do, we’ll be unlikely to be watching the defender before the ball is put in play.

      At least we can all be thankful that Tangotiger is not constructing our buildings and bridges.

      If the principles of mechanical engineering were as fuzzy and inexact as the principles of measuring defense, we might not have multi-story buildings or suspension bridges. (Or baseball stadiums. We’d all be pressed up against the chain link fence)

      And healthy skepticism is always a positive thing, so thanks for that.

  13. Steve H says:

    Another great Ozzieism:

    Goo luck to my guys for a great summer and all the venezuelan player even the ones I hate to death

    Hates to death? He truly has no filter.

  14. bexarama says:

    Joe Morgan picked the Giants to win the NL West because of Aubrey Huff.

  15. Hey ZZ says:

    I just watched the replay of Pedroia’s HR from last night.

    You take away the ugly facial hair and you can easily mistake that play for a little league game. 300 ft HR from a guy that barely cracks 5 ft.

  16. jimmy says:

    AJax 1 for 5 today w/a double & a RBI. Good for him.

  17. YankeeScribe says:

    AJax went 1 for 5 today. It’s going to be interesting to see how he does this year…

  18. Omar says:

    The Yankees better get used to not playing in October at this rate. I’m pissed as hell, Chamberlain looked like shit, the bullpen blew, and CC is still shaky in April. The only positives were Granderson and Posada telling Montero “not just yet.” Not all that confident in this year’s team after last night.

  19. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Watching Joba struggle in the BP where he was supposed to be lights out makes me wonder if the Yankees are doing this to aid in his development where he simply can’t throw 98 MPH thus making him learn to pitch. In the BP the damage is reduced then if starting.

    But meh it’s wishful thinking at this point. but its better then the FO just losing all patience over one full year of starting.

    • pat says:

      Most guys aren’t in midseason form by April. It can take a month or two to build up enough arm strength to really let loose.

      • Joba’s always been a slow starter. I remember having the same discussion last ST and last April.

        If we want to do an apples to apples velocity comp, we need the numbers from last April. I’m sure Joe P or Mike can dig them up.

      • Accent Shallow says:

        Understood, but he looked a lot like 2009 Joba — lots of nibbling, throwing the slider all the time, etc.

  20. bexarama says:

    I love how in Atlanta they didn’t even bother to give Jason Heyward the whole silent treatment after his complete bomb home run. Welcome to the show, baby.

    • pat says:

      I say he probably hits about 5 more HR in the next two weeks gets crowned the next coming of Ruth, is featured on a SI Cover, then comes back to earth when pitchers start to figure him out.

  21. Tangential to my comment above, have any of you who live in NYC ever seen the infamous Paddington Bear toy that lives in the front window of a street-level apartment in Manhattan, between 5th and 6th avenues, IIRC on 11th street?

    Its owners change its outfit according to the season, world events, etc.

    Last fall, as every year when a certain team is in the postseason, it wore a little Yankee uniform.

    It has never worn a Mets uniform.

    • Hmm. Guess nobody knows what I’m talking about.

      Those in NYC, take a look next time you’re in that neighborhood.

      The building is on the South side of the street, a few doors West of the Church of the Ascension parish house, not far from 5th Avenue.

      The window in question is rather obvious: the building juts out at a sharp angle, as does the window.

      • OH WOW!

        I didn’t know this! Apparently, the original building at that address was destroyed by the Weather Underground’s bomb in the 1960′s!!

        http://www.nytimes.com/2000/03.....wanted=all (safe)

        Here’s a quote about the bear:

        The signature touch is a Paddington bear in the jutting window. Its costume is changed according to the weather. On rainy days, Paddington wears a raincoat. During a storm, he switches to snow wear. For the first day of school, he is decked out in his schoolboy outfit. By special request, one day two bears appeared in the window dressed as a bride and groom; on cue, a neighborhood doctor fell to his knees on the sidewalk and proposed to his girlfriend.

  22. Tom Zig says:

    I need fantasy trade advice, as I’m not a very good judge when it comes to my own players.

    I’m being offered:

    Rafael Soriano
    Ben Sheets


    Matt Garza

    I have a bunch of starting pitchers (shields, c. zambrano, garza, matsuz, j. de la rosa, jered weaver) but none are particularly outstanding and I need a closer as I only have 1 closer at the moment (mike gonzalez).


    • Alex S says:

      i would keep Garza. He’s in for a good year. There should be plenty of 30 saves closers in the FA pool

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Personally I wouldn’t do it. Closers are always on the wavier wire. Some of the good closers now weren’t drafted at all last year like Aardsma.


      Maybe that will help find you a good closer fast enough.

    • Mike HC says:

      I would probably accept that trade. Pitchers from the AL East are not that great, especially Garza. Plus, Sheets has the potential to be better than Garza on his own and you are getting Soriano as well. Take the deal.

  23. Drew says:

    If anyone has any proposals in mind for Tier 6, I need a starter. My team is MoreJobaltinePlz.

  24. mustang says:

    Does anyone else think that after having about six months off and with 161 games left that it’s kind off stupid to have a day off after the first game?
    What could they possibly be tired about? Is opening day that draining?

    • Jose says:

      There shouldn’t be any off days during the first series of the year.

    • mustang says:

      Baseball players need to man up.

    • Drew says:

      I guess the main argument is that the price for opening day tickets is high. If it rained yesterday, all the people that doled out straight cash homie would be shit outta luck and have to go to the 3rd game rather than the 1st game.

    • Andy_C_23 says:

      I think it’s so if Opening Day gets rained out the people with tickets for OD don’t get screwed, or something like that

    • mustang says:

      Oh my God just have a day night double-header or something. Other then travel days, the all-star break and the playoffs baseball shouldn’t have any days off.
      I’m sorry I LOVE the sport, but compared to the other major sports baseball players are soft bitches.

      • mustang says:

        I mean that with all due respect.

      • Andy_C_23 says:

        At least there’s not a week off between games…I’m looking at you NFL

        • mustang says:

          Wow you picked the worst sport to compare with. As far as “man up” points the NFL is like a truck and baseball is like a smart car.

          • Andy_C_23 says:

            I wasn’t trying to compare the two sports at all, I was just saying the week between games is a pain in the balls. I get why they have to do it (with the preparing, recovering and everything) but it just sucks having to wait a week between watching the G-Men play games.

    • Red Sox games are exhausting. I need a week off between each of them.

    • Mike HC says:

      I don’t get it. Most probably has to do with money. Either MLB or the cable networks, or both, probably can make more money the first week of the season with the off day for whatever reason.

  25. Trav says:

    They do a day off after the home openers for almost(if not all) the teams in the event of a day 1 rainout.

  26. Devil In A Blue Cap says:

    So, last night I ended up in a conversation about Frank Thomas. I said that The Big Hurt is a) a Hall of Famer, and b) a better hitter than Ichiro. Somehow, the people I was discussing this with had the opposite opinion. Not only did they argue that Frank Thomas isn’t a HoF player, they argued that he wasn’t as good a hitter as Ichiro. The crux of their argument? Batting average.

    I have lost my faith in humanity.

    • Jake H says:

      I hope that they aren’t friends. If so I would suggest getting new baseball friends.

      • Devil In A Blue Cap says:

        It was at a local bar. I shouldn’t expect better, but…is there a more obvious argument other than: baseball is awesome? How can you consider Ichiro a better hitter? How?

        • bexarama says:

          batting average!!!!! And he could hit all those home runs you know, if he wanted to.

          • Devil In A Blue Cap says:

            Oh, it was more than that even. They argued that batting average was the most important part of hitting. I argued that not making an out was the most important part. They continued to disagree. I felt like I was going crazy. Maybe everything I knew was wrong. Maybe the sun revolved around the Earth and the moon was made of cheese.

            • bexarama says:

              people are weird

            • pete says:

              the crazy thing is that Frank Thomas was an ELITE hitter for average. Like…Ichiro level

              • I wouldn’t go that far. Ichiro is easily a better hitter for average. Thomas was much better at everything else. (Hitting wise of course)

                • ROBTEN says:

                  FUN FACTS:

                  Difference between Ichiro’s lifetime BA (.333) and Thomas’ lifetime BA (.301) – around 18 hits a year for Thomas.

                  Difference between Ichiro’s average BB per season to Thomas – 69 more walks per season for Thomas.

                • Accent Shallow says:

                  Another fun fact: during Thomas’ first 11 seasons, he hit .321, and OBPed .440 (!). He also had a hell of a lot more power.

                  Of course, Ichiro has a huge advantage in defensive ability.

                • Thomas was obviously the better hitter. No doubt. He was more patient, had a lot more power, but saying that Thomas was “an ELITE hitter for average. Like…Ichiro level” is inaccurate. A 32 point difference in BA is not a small difference in my opinion.

    • V says:

      My argument for those douchenozzles is this:

      You can have one of the following two players on your team.

      1) He will play in exactly 125 games this year.
      2) He can do either (but not both):
      A) Hit 1 homerun every game, without fail and go 1/5. No walks, HBP, sac fly, anything. Just 1 HR, 4 outs.
      B) Get 2 singles every game, without fail, and go 2/5. Nothing else. Just 2 singles, 3 outs.

      Hitter A will end the season with a .200/.200/.800 line. That’s an elite 1.000 OPS hitter. 125 HRs on the season, good for 125 Rs, minimum 125 RBIs, with something closer to 250 more likely.

      Hitter B will end the season with a .400/.400/.400 line. A good (but not elite) .800 OPS.

      If someone says he would prefer hitter B, I think he’s a dumbass.

      • Accent Shallow says:

        I think I would take hitter B. A .200 OBP is freakin’ awful.

        (However, hitter A would have a .391 wOBA, and hitter B would have a .360 wOBA. Much closer than raw OPS would indicate)

      • ZDW says:

        Now there’s a word I never heard until I got to Cornell.
        Do they say this other places?

  27. JobaWockeeZ says:

    I haven’t been to much games but in your opinion what seats are better? Grandstand seats or the bleachers?

    • In the old stadium, bleachers. In the new, Grandstand.

      • mustang says:


        • The Bleachers are recessed much further back in the new place, people bitched about it like crazy when they opened the place.

          I hated the Grandstand seats in the old facility. The view was good, but the angle of section was way too steep. You stumbled, and you could fall 4 rows. I’ve seen people do it carrying beers for 4 people. Now the angle is much better.

          • JobaWockeeZ says:

            Alright thanks. I only sat in the bleacher seats last year and I guess I’ll go for the grandstand seats this go around. Especially since they’re at the same price.

      • Nady Nation says:

        I actually disagree. The Grandstand is pushed pretty far back, in relation to Tier Reserve at YSII. I think the sightlines in the bleachers at the new Stadium are very nice.

  28. bexarama says:

    Houston is such an interesting place, judging by some of the stuff at the Astros/Giants game

    • Tank the Frank says:

      I start sweating when I eve read the name Houston. It has to be the most humid place outside of the African Congo.

  29. pat says:

    BTW there are still some 5$ grandstand seats left for Wednesday and Thursday’s games vs the Angels. Granted, they’re in the 400′s out in RF but you can’t beat 5 bucks.

  30. How the fuck did they switch Hassan out of a moving vehicle in hot pursuit?

  31. Andy_C_23 says:

    Does anyone else think Coach K looks a little like Hitler (sans the mustache)?

  32. Hey ZZ says:

    Does anyone know what happened to the 3d seat selector on the Yankees website? I cannot find it.

  33. pat says:

    Butler really crashes the boards. I dig that.

  34. Accent Shallow says:

    Grand pianos crash together/when my boy walks down the street

    Anyone like the Magnetic Fields?

  35. Omar says:

    I still don’t get all the faith in this team. They have to replace a .376 wOBA and a .378 wOBA from Damon and Matsui, they had 15 walk of wins (a bit of a function in luck)22-16 in run run games (also a bit lucky), and they’re staring at regression from Posada (yeah he was great last night but SSS) and Jeter right in the face. Not to mention they’ll likely not get another injury free season from Burnett, and Pettitte started to show signs of age last year and will probably be worse this year. Furthermore, Melky Cabrera had a pretty damn good year last season, and oh yeah the bullpen looks like shit again. Chan Ho Park is this year’s Jose Veras except Cashman will be more reluctant to DFA him since he makes above league minimum, Damaso Marte has that cranky elbow again, Aceves still has shoulder questions, and Joba Chamberlain has perfected his Tanyon Sturtze impression. I know Vazquez projects to basically be Chuck Norris on the mound, but a FB pitcher at Yankee Stadium in the AL East isn’t something I have confidence in. Plus that team up North got quite a bit better. They added a playoff stud and an ace in John Lackey, and greatly improved their defense, not to mention some rebound from David Ortiz and a full season of V-Mart. Buttholz won’t be able to blow game 3 again. They look absolutely stacked and I have no questions about that offense. All I gots to say is you better get used to not watching baseball by October, you have enough off nights in April to start. I admire the optimism and rationality here, but sorry fellow Yankee fans, it isn’t our year.


      • Omar says:

        Yeah, lets pretend that replacing a .376 wOBA and .378 wOBA, is an easy thing to do.

        Furthermore, lets also that AJ Burnett isn’t injury prone on and on the right side of 30…plus lets not act like Posada and Jeter aren’t going to regress by quite a bit.

        While were at it lets pretend like the Red Sox got worse too…being delusional is fun!

        • poster says:

          Dude, we DID replace Damon and Matsui with Granderson and Johnson. Yeah, Johnson is injury prone, but he’s younger than Hideki, who has really badd knees.

          We didn’t say the Red Sox got worse, we said that we can expect regressions in some of their older players too, in other words, Ortiz. Possibly Cameron too, he’s getting up there.

          Beckett is injury prone, as is Dice-K. Lackey is good, but overrated. A 3.8 ERA is probably a realistic expectation.

          Don’t forget that the Yanks got Vasquez, an innings eating horse, and a healthy A-Rod. Yeah, Jorge may regress, but I see no signs Jeter will regress significantly, and we can expect healthy A-Rod to improve and for our pitching staff to improve thanks to Vasquez. Yankees are going to be fine.

          • Omar says:

            Vazquez gets innings, yeah he’s not the same pitcher that he was in 2004, this also isn’t the same AL East as 2004. The Os have a couple of pretty good bats, the Rays are the second best team in baseball, and even Toronto is getting their shit together, and oh yeah, he’ll still have to pitch to the best team in baseball…he’ll need to be a much improved pitcher if the Yanks want to rely on him.

            • poster says:

              We don’t need to rely on him, that’s what other pitchers are for. He just needs to put up a 4.10 ERA and pitch 200 innings.

              MAYBE Andy and Burnett will get hurt, but the Red Sox have guys who MAY get hurt too that are important. Right now nobody’s hurt.

            • poster says:

              Besides, the AL East in 04′ wasn’t bad either.

              • Omar says:

                The Yankees weren’t facing the two best teams in baseball.

                • poster says:

                  The Red Sox probably were the best team in baseball. Sure they won less games than the Yanks, but they won the WS and had a better offense and pitching staff.

                  Not to mention, the Yankees and Red Sox are probably the two best teams in baseball this year.

            • bexarama says:

              honestly, if no one’s hurt – and at this point, no one is hurt – we’re not even the third best team in baseball?

              • bexarama says:

                honestly, if no one’s hurt – and at this point, no one is hurt – we’re not even the third best team in baseball we’re, at best, the third best team in baseball?*


                • bexarama says:

                  actually, now that I think about it, this could probably very well be true, but I think a lot would have to go right for the Rays and Red Sox for it to be so. Omar, however, is acting like, even if we’re healthy, we suck. And that’s just not true.

        • pat says:

          being delusional is fun!

          Clearly you know this all too well.

    • Andy_C_23 says:

      “and oh yeah the bullpen looks like shit again”

      After one game?

    • Damaso Marte has a cranky elbow?

    • Here, let me get you a drink. I think you need one.

      (Hands Omar a frosty Pinstripe IFA DPA™)

    • Accent Shallow says:

      Dude, for one, I’ll take Granderson over Damon, and (assuming health, which is a big if), I’ll take Johnson over Matsui, as well. As for the rest of the offense, it depends how much everyone else regresses.

      I’m appalled Chan Ho Park is on the team, but he’ll be gone by July if he keeps pitching the way he likely will. Hawkins made more, and he was buried and then traded. Park will be buried as well if he keeps sucking, and Melancon/Logan pitches well in AAA.

      Besides, can we really draw conclusions about those guys after one game?

      FWIW, SG over at RLYW projects the Yankees to win the AL East. You’re probably underselling the offense quite a bit.

    • Alex S says:

      your rationale for explaining it isn’t our year is because of 1 game? 1 GAME!? 1 of 162. fans like you make me sick. Go jump off a bridge or root for the sox. I’ll enjoy watching the yankees kick ass

    • bexarama says:

      I love how this person is totally irrational (Jeter and Posada are gonna fall off a cliff!!! But Ortiz is due for a bounceback!!!) and yet uses wOBA

      PS. Buttholz didn’t blow Game 3, the bullpen of epic death and fear and depth did

      • poster says:

        I love how he points out that we lost Matsui and Damon’s wOBA but doesn’t mention that we gained Johnson and Granderson’s wOBA, and our outfield defense improved. And our pitching staff. And A-Rod is healthy.

        • Omar says:

          I addressed Vazquez.

        • Omar says:

          Also Granderson and Johnson were good additions…but Granderson only topped a .376 wOBA once…lets not anoint them replacements for two pretty damn productive players just yet.

          • poster says:

            You’re assuming Damon and Matsui don’t regress and you’re ignoring improved defense. Plus you didn’t even mention Johnson.

            • Omar says:

              While they may not replicate that production wherever they are (I’m not saying that the Yankees made the wrong decision here) they still contributed that production last year and will be difficult to replace.

              • poster says:

                Fair enough, but combined defense and offense I think we’ve pretty much replaced them. Offensively they may be just a hair off, defensively Granderson (and Gardner) are a big improvement on Melky and Damon.

      • poster says:

        He also claims that they’d win game 3, yet doesn’t mention that they were already down 2-0. Not to mention, the Angels were pretty good. It’s not like they would just let them win.

        • bexarama says:

          ummmm I heard the Red Sox can always come back.

          Except for the times that they lost or whatever but those don’t count

    • V says:

      Wow. Oaktag #2.

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Story time again. Once upon a time the Yankees were sucking in April and May. They lost 5 games in a row which I believe tied a franchise record. Later on they lost 8 game sin a row to the almighty Sox.

      Then after the ASB the Yankees won 9 out of the last 10 games against Boston.

      So when the Yanks reach the playoffs again I don’t know if I should bookmark this comment for future reference.

    • bexarama says:

      also yo John Lackey, I’m really happy for you, and I’m’a let you finish pitching, but Andy Pettitte is the greatest playoff stud of all time. ALL TIME!!!

      (I don’t really think this)

      /old meme’d

      • (I don’t really think this)

        Well…Andy has the far superior claim, by the MSM-narrative reasoning.

        After all, he’s the greatest STARTING PITCHAH EVAH, because he has the most postseason wins…

        So, even by his own twisted logic, this poster = Fail.

        • Omar says:

          I never said he was the greatest, just a beast. I also love comparing him to Pettitte…LULZ

          • bexarama says:

            Pettitte pitched more innings than Lackey last year despite being older. Lackey is a very good pitcher, but I’d be hard-pressed to call him an ace.

            Also, in a stat you probably consider important, he has won more World Series-clinching games than Lackey.

            • Omar says:

              Fewer innings, higher WAR…stop pretending that Pettitte matches up with Lackey, it’s embarrassing.

              • poster says:

                Pettitte pitched more innings than Lackey last year despite being older.

              • You’re hilarious!

                You laud Lackey for being “a playoff stud and an ace”, then, when we point out, in jest, that by your standards, Pettitte is better…

                And THEN you whip out the advanced stats? Gimme a break.

                Your logic: ⇔

                OAKTAG, I’m done.

                • bexarama says:

                  I just noticed Lackey is 3-4 in the playoffs. He has a good ERA and decent peripherals. But clearly this means he’s not a clutch gritbeard who bears down and gets it done when he has to.

                • Damn straight. Andy Pettitte = starting pitcher.

                  (chugs diet coke, then belches in the general direction of the above poster)

                • Omar says:

                  “My standards” as if I pointed out any of my standards. Lulzy…you guys are touchy when the Sox are better.

                • poster says:

                  Dude, we just dropped a ton of logic bombs on your posts and completely ripped your half-assed arguements to shreds. Now you’re just trolling.

                • So go back to your beloved Red Sox sites.

                  Or come back here after a Yankee win over the Sox, and prove you’re not a Sox troll.

                  Until then…we’re not reading any more of your [snarky word edited out].

                • Omar says:

                  Not a Sox troll, just have concerns about the team…I’ve posted here before, mainly with heavy advocacy for Chamberlain to be dealt. They have legitimate issues for sure, the optimist’s responses were similar to yours (which had nothing wrong with them) a more reasoned and measured approach would be to take the complaints piece by piece, while I am a pessimist I’ll do my best to demonstrate a response:

                  AJ and Andy’s injuries…meh, hope for the best, Vazquez should throw 200 in all likelihood, and even though Andy had injury issues he still pitched damn well last year. AJ is pretty scary, first back to back 200 IP seasons but high(er) walk rates and lowered K-rates than what he’s used too…hopefully he’ll regress to his career averages.

                  Javy’s questions (not the LOOK AT 2004′s STATS!!!11!!) questions, the real, high HR rate/fly ball pitcher/bad inning prone in the AL East where each team in the division has several pieces (Toronto probably notwithstanding, but even then…) that can do damage: The HRs will always be an issue, were lying to ourselves if we pretend that they aren’t…but if his improvements last year with runners on base were for real (SSS) he’ll be fine

                  Jeter and Posada fighting off age, and natural regression…if anyone can do it it’s them.

                  As to replacing Damon/Matsui, I wasn’t suggesting that Nicky/Curtis wouldn’t outproduce Matsui/Damon ***this year*** just that they may not out produce their efforts from ***LAST YEAR*** where both players performed extremely well for the Yankees. As to CC sucking in April, it happens, he looked better in his first start this year than he did last year…here’s to hoping he comes on strong again.

                  The bullpen…very fixable they had Claggett, Veras, War, and Albaladejo blowing asshole galore all last season and fixed it by the season’s end. As long as Mo’s still Mo, with Robertson and hopefully Melancon they should be able to pick up some decent middle relievers for not a whole lot, or find someone in the farm…Z-Mac anyone?

                  Those are legitimate questions, you’re lying to yourself if you think that they aren’t. Yes, the Red Sox are VERY GOOD. They have a great defense, and they’ve acquired a bunch of players perfect for that park RHH with doubles power and great defenders. The park should help out Cameron and Beltre quite a bit. Furthermore the top end of that rotation in Lester and Beckett is fantastic, not to mention John Lackey as the three…he started out the year injured two years in a row but finished strong in each of the past two seasons and had a fantastic post season last yer. The guy can pitch. Last year, I got a bunch of shit for saying that I think Buchholz is better than Chamberlain, and I still think that. Unfortunately, the kid can deal. Now the back end with Wakefield and Matsuzaka is a bit shaky, but that’s still a pretty damn good team.

                  The Rays, we should all know the story with them…it will be interesting to see what Price does in his sophomore campaign and if Longoria jumps into actual elite status, right now I don’t see the big difference between him and Zimmerman. Furthermore, BJ Upton still has talent out the ass and might FINALLY fulfill his potential this year.

                • bexarama says:

                  I know it’s late and you probably won’t see this response but this is so much saner than your original post in the thread. If you’d come in expressing your concerns, which are valid, in this way, instead of saying we’re doomed to not play in the postseason then getting all hostile when people took exception to that, you would have been received in a much better way. IMO. This is not O:S-y. What you were saying before was O:S-y.

  36. donttradecano says:

    Duke cant win this game. It would be unamerican.

  37. donttradecano says:

    Weak second foul call on Howard

    • JobaWockeeZ says:

      Granderson in his entire career is poor against lefties. We all know this. Lester is probably the second best pitcher in the AL East who is also a lefty.

      Thames sucks yes but Granderson also has a good chance to suck as well.

      Personally I wouldn’t mind either way.

      • 5th Starter says:

        Give Grandy a chance for an AB or two and THEN have Thames pinch hit for him. Thames barely made the team. He shouldn’t be starting.

    • Tank the Frank says:

      Seriously. But we all knew this was coming when he made the team out of ST. I’d love to see Grandish get a few ABs against lefties before he sits on the bench. Plus Thames has no use in the feild.

      We’ve seen this before from Girardi. There’s no way he lets Granderson bat against an especially tough lefty like Lester.

      • Chris says:

        Ummm… Girardi says Thames may start tomorrow. No where does he say (nor have I heard) that Thames would take Grandersons spot. Thames would play left field and replace Gardner. As much as we may like Gardner, I don’t think that’s a step down with a lefty on the mound.

        • I’d like to believe this…it seems a reasonable conclusion based on what Girardi actually said.

          But to be fair to Tank the Frank and the above posters, the title of the referenced article says, in big, bold letters:

          Thames instead of Granderson Tuesday?

          So I think you are coming down a little hard on the others here.

    • Nady Nation says:

      Isn’t it possible that Thames would play for Gardner, not Granderson? There is not one piece of evidence in that entire article that suggests Granderson will be the one sitting over Gardner. ESPN just blatantly made up that headline. If you ask me, Gardner is more likely to sit tomorrow night than Grandy.

  38. pat says:

    Wow, another travel by Seigler that didn’t get called.

  39. bexarama says:

    OMG did anyone see the intro to the Angels/Twins game from the Angels feed?


  40. Jake H says:

    I don’t think I will be getting an Ipad since I bought an Ipod 5 years ago and haven’t used it in 4 years.

  41. Jimmy says:

    Marty #600 vs Atlanta in just 24 hrs.

  42. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Given the choice who would you rather see pitch live? Philthy or Javy? I’m leaning towards Javy but I’m curious to see what Phil’s got. He was pretty good starting last year…

  43. LMAO!
    Changing channels, came across the cartoon “Tutenstein”.

    The main character, who is a mummy, is talking to a snake.

    Snake: “If she’s not jealous of you[...] why would she take your scepter?”

    Tutenstein: “To polish it?”

    HA HA HA HA…she’s…

    …wait for it…

    …polishing his scepter!


    And this is a kids’ show!

  44. O says:

    Matsui’s 1st at bat w/out pinstripes!!!!

  45. O says:

    ok, i dont feel so bad anymore…popped out behind shortstop…

  46. This basketball game seems really good; I really wish I wasn’t too exhausted to fully pay attention.

  47. bexarama says:

    Jeff Mathis just hit a HR. PTSD!!!!

  48. Steve H says:

    Does anyone else think the Ipad is a horribly named product?

  49. The only pitchers on my fantasy team to have thrown yet: combined 1.2 innings, an ERA of 54.00 (!) and a WHIP of 7.80.

    Thanks a lot Carlos Zambrano. You too, Jason Frasor.

  50. pat says:

    COme on Butler you gotta start hitting these layups.

  51. Steve H says:

    So all of these Duke players will be Duke assistant coaches in a few years, right?

  52. Steve H says:

    Could Howard please work a little harder on the Adam Morrison stache?

  53. Holy shit, it’s the NCAA championship today?

  54. Fucking Singler makes everything.

  55. pat says:

    Goddamn, Butler needs to hit some shots before this slips away.

  56. Am I the only one who wants Duke to win? I have nothing against Butler. And I’m not even a Duke fan.

    I just think it would be nice to see all of America absolutely horribly disappointed.

  57. Could the announcers make this game sound any less interesting?

  58. pat says:

    Time for Hayward to nut up.

  59. pat says:

    Howard set a monster screen on that last heave. Fuck Duke.

  60. Bob Stone says:

    Great game. Butler did a hell of a job.

  61. Tseng says:

    Thanks to Duke, I come in 2nd in the RAB pool!

  62. Ivan says:


  63. No, Butler were not champions. They lost. That is not a championship.

    I know it’s a sentimental favorite and they’re a mid-major and all, but they still lost.

    These two suck.

  64. donttradecano says:

    Butler should have had two shots after Zoubek elbowed Howard on the rebound. Coach K wont go to the NBA because he wont get the calls.

  65. bexarama says:

    Every single out Felix has gotten tonight has been either a groundout or a strikeout. o_O I know it’s Oakland but dude is good.

  66. Fuck Brandon Wood. I had really high hopes that he’d be a sleeper/breakout player.

    But he looks just completely overmatched.

    (I know it’s one game. I’m emotional right now — objectivity is escaping.)

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