Game 44: What could have been vs. what is


Photo Credit: Paul Sancya, AP

We never try to make too much of a big deal about one game in these parts of the interweb, but we’re going to make an exception today. Not that tonight’s game means more than yesterday’s or tomorrow’s, but because of the theater involved. It’s Johan Santana vs. CC Sabathia, the ace the Yankees passed on to get the ace they wanted.

Rewind back to the 2007-2008 offseason, when the Twins make a 28-year-old two-time Cy Young Away winning lefthander available on the trade market. It was a natural fit for the Yankees – a star player who could front what was then a patchwork rotation – and they were willing to trade the prospect version of Phil Hughes. The three of us even started a campaign to keep all of the Yanks’ young pitchers in pinstripes.  After a winter of he-said-she-saids, Santana finally landed in New York at the end of January, but with the Mets. Ironically enough, that was less than two months after the lefty declared he would only accept a trade to the Yanks or Red Sox. Funny how that works.

So Johan went off to Queens, and quite simply had a stellar season. He threw 234.1 innings of 3.66 xFIP ball and finished in the top three of the Cy Young voting for the fourth time in the five years. The Yanks, meanwhile, missed the playoffs for the first time in what seemed like an eternity, and the second-guessing of the non-trade started before the season was even half over. Santana’s declining peripheral stats (his BB/9, K/BB, AVG against, and xFIP all dropped for the fourth straight year) be damned, the was the guy the Yanks were supposed to have, and his absence is why they missed the postseason.

But, to be mind-numbingly cliche, GM Brian Cashman had an ace up his sleeve. Granted, it was a gamble of epic proportions, but passing on Johan was all by design. Another 28-year-old, Cy Young Award winning lefthanded ace was soon going to be available, except not in a trade, on the free agent market. CC Sabathia, the long-time Cleveland Indian was unlikely to return to the team given the fortune awaiting him on the open market, so Cashman decided to hold onto one set of assets (players) while using the team’s greatest resource (dollar dollar bills, y’all) to bring in a frontline starter.

Out of the race by mid-season, the Indians sent Sabathia to the Brewers for four prospects, and the fans in Cleveland thanked him for everything he’d done. Milwaukee, also unlikely to retain the big lefty beyond the season, rode CC right into the franchise’s first playoff berth in a quarter-century. He took to the mound 17 times and threw 130.2 innings for the team overall, but that’s not what he’ll be remembered for. Sabathia’s time in Cleveland will be remembered for taking the ball four times in the Brewers’ final eleven games with complete disregard for his health and impending free agency. With the season literally on the line in Game 162, CC threw a four hit complete game shutout against the Cubs, the National League’s best team by six games. The entire city of Milwaukee climbed about Sabathia’s broad shoulders, and he carried them right into the postseason.

After the season, Cashman put on the full court press. He had passed on Santana by choice, but he couldn’t let CC get away, so his opening bid was $140M on the very first day of free agency. It was a message to the rest of the league: don’t even think about it, he’s ours. Cashman dragged Reggie Jackson to dinners, wore his World Series ring(s) to meetings, flew coach to California in the middle of the night, he did everything that needed to be done to get Sabathia in the pinstripes. In the end, it took the largest contract ever given to a pitcher, but we know that was coming regardless of who he signed with.

One year and one World Championship later, Santana and Sabathia meet tonight for the first time as a Met and Yankee, respectively. It’s your guy, the one who wasn’t good enough for us, versus our the guy, the one with the ring and three fan bases in love with him. As far as May baseball goes, this is as good as it gets.

Here’s the starting nine…

Jeter, SS
Gardner, CF
Teixeira, 1B
A-Rod, 3B
Cano, 2B
Swisher, RF
Cervelli, C – seventh game in seven days
Kevin Russo, LF – yay
Sabathia, SP

First pitch is scheduled for 8:05pm ET, and the game can be seen on ESPN. Enjoy.

Categories : Game Threads


  1. JM says:

    I think the Yankees offense is going to finally wake up this series with 5 runs through 6 innings off Johan, which may or may not be assisted by the Mets defense. Oh, an Teixeira will go 1-3 with a walk.

  2. Mark Teixeira vs RHP .178/.307/.314/.621

    When do we go from slump to legit concern?

    • JM says:

      Mid-June is my guess.

    • Reggie C. says:

      Just goes to show you how tough it is to turn it back on just b/c the calendar turns over. I just hope Teixeira doesn’t have any more bad months in him for the season. His May ’09 was sensational, so here’s hoping June ’10 comes close to it. This month’s a wash for sure.

  3. 28 this year says:

    Wait, CC was offered that contract the first day of Spring Training? I thought it was offered the first day of free agency.

  4. Reggie C. says:

    So does this spell the end to the Randy Winn experiment or is Joe G. simply going with the hotter bat at the moment?

  5. Salty Buggah says:

    Heh, check out Bo’s comment in that save the big 3 thread:


  6. Cecala says:

    As much as I love Cervelli, the kid needs a rest.

  7. Across the pond says:

    uggh I hate these 8pm starts, they kill me.

    Jeter’s line versus Johan: .423/.464/.692 .. Yummy

  8. JobaWockeeZ says:

    I got a feeling CC will jack one off Johan.

  9. The Yankees have me for an hour……..then it’s time for FOUND.

  10. Attn: Steve H:

    Look for my 3 PM post tomorrow as it answers your question from my post today.

  11. Carlosologist says:

    Really Miller? The Mets have to be above .500 for them to play in October.

  12. Cecala says:

    Look at those 3 studs. Brains and Brawn, what could be better.

  13. Wait…did Orel just say that CC/Johan met for a commercial for the subway system…?

  14. FIPster Doofus says:

    Orel Hershiser just said CC and Johan shot a commercial for the Subway system. These guys can’t get anything right.

  15. Dela G says:

    hahahaha orel doesnt know that the commercial was for subway sandwiches, not the MTA

  16. Carlosologist says:

    Joe Morgan’s stupidity just made my mind explode.

  17. Across the pond says:

    wow robbie’s at 3rd. Who said he’s lazy??!

  18. Runs per game? From a hitter? Did Orel just make up a stat?

  19. chriskeo says:

    ESPN just said Gardner is in LF, and Russo is in CF, I assume ESPN is wrong? I’m gonna check gameday now.

  20. Dela G says:

    wait i thought russo was in LF?

  21. bexarama says:

    Is Russo in CF or was that just a dumb ESPN typo?

  22. Frittoman626 says:

    Lets go CC, watch out for Barajas

  23. Every time Jeter gets a first pitch hit, I do the GRR to YAY face in 2 seconds flat.

  24. Dela G says:

    too easy for jetes

  25. Frigidevil says:

    Jeter drives me insane when he swings at the first pitch of the game, but oh is it pretty when it works

  26. fgjds;ofjds


  27. austin says:

    look Jeter hit it somewhere other than ss, even if it was still on the first pitch

  28. Reggie C. says:

    Gardner’s lucky that first pitch didnt bounce right into his face.

  29. cjc says:

    he deserves to K for that bunt attempt dumb

  30. JobaWockeeZ says:

    That was ugly Gardy.

  31. Raf says:

    i think Gardner has swung and missed more times in this series than all season.

  32. Frittoman626 says:

    Gardner is starting to suck

  33. That was an awful AB.

  34. Dela G says:

    man gritt is really really slumping

  35. cjc says:

    by curve/slider he means that Santana doesn’t throw a curve Morgan you moron kill me now

  36. Reggie C. says:

    Check swing foul … 2 strikes on Teix now.

    Not good. Changeup coming.

  37. Dela G says:

    didn’t santana used to throw a 97 MPH fastball?

    or was that my imagination

  38. mike c says:

    there’s a lot riding on this game, apparently the loser is changing their name to “the little chocolatiers”

  39. I love it when Tex is late on 89 MPH fastballs. It’s so cool.

  40. cjc says:

    Tex needs a break totally lost

  41. bexarama says:

    I don’t even know what to say any more with Teixeira. Eesh.

  42. Reggie C. says:

    Teix still having trouble with the 89 mph FB. Wow.

  43. Jake H says:

    Teix needs a complete day or 2 off.

  44. Frittoman626 says:

    Tex needs to sit his next game

  45. baby carlos says:

    Well Tex, don’t feel bad, high school kids can’t hit an 89 mph fastball. So you don’t look any worse than a 16 yr old.

  46. Oof. A-Rod has looked awful on anything low, away, and offspeed this series.

  47. mike c says:

    i really hope arod jacks one and tex gets 3 hits so we don’t have to hear this “analysis” for the entire game

  48. Carlosologist says:

    Miller sounds surprised that the Yanks completely wrecked a pitcher that didn’t bring his best stuff.

    Also, Yankees suck chanters, check the goddamn standings.

  49. baby carlos says:

    seriously sad AB’s after Jeter.

  50. Accent Shallow says:

    Good thing Alex Cora wasn’t playing 2B for the Mets last year.

  51. cjc says:

    it might sound dumb but I feel like the Gardner AB changes the entire tone the rest of that inning bunting in the 1st inning is such a fucking waste

  52. Jake H says:

    Love it when guys are chasing 89 mph fastballs up. The whole team seems like it needs a day off to get their heads together.

  53. Jake H says:

    16 minutes in and I’ve muted the game.

  54. Dela G says:

    damn you reyes

  55. BigBlueAL says:

    Man, that replay showed how really bad Jeter was going after that grounder.

  56. Reggie C. says:

    Impressive win for the RS today. RS hang 7 runs Halladay.

    I guess that should definitively end talk of Halladay winning 30 games.

  57. baby carlos says:

    Yankees top of the first – Jeter swings at first pitch. Gardner k’s, Tex k’s, ARod – pop up.

    Only surprise is ARod – that has to change.

  58. bexarama says:

    soooo tired of “Let’s go Yankees!” “Yankees suck!!!” My head, it hurts.

    • baby carlos says:

      Look at the bright side, you could be from New York and be a Mets fan. As bad as being from anywhere and being a Red Sox fan.

  59. Ugh. Don’t lose him, CC.

  60. Dela G says:

    aight zz, you can’t let the rookie beat you

  61. Dela G says:

    that curve was filthy

  62. JobaWockeeZ says:

    I hate these BS hits.

  63. I dislike bloop hits.

  64. Carlosologist says:

    The date: May 23rd, not November 4th.

  65. Frittoman626 says:

    CC looks bad today

  66. JGS says:

    Ike Davis’ .538 BABIP vs. LHP just went up

  67. baby carlos says:

    Remember when our pitchers didn’t struggle.

  68. Dela G says:

    ugh ugh ugh

  69. SF Yanks says:

    Joe Morgan is the dumbest human alive. Everything out of his mouth is complete and utter nonsense. It is truly unbelievable.

  70. bexarama says:

    I am already frustrated. I do not enjoy this ;_;

  71. Jake H says:

    This team has been irritating me since the Boston series. No one can do anything right at this moment.

  72. Dela G says:

    maybe zz can reach back for that 98 mph gas

  73. Frittoman626 says:

    Good K CC

  74. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    Wright is Wrong!

  75. Accent Shallow says:

    Wow, Wright looked awful there.

  76. Reggie C. says:

    Big time K. Wright is all sorts of messed up … that might’ve been the knockout punch.

  77. Dela G says:

    wow wright was so late on that curve

  78. Accent Shallow says:

    Out of the inning with no damage. I approve.

  79. FIPster Doofus says:

    You get nothing!

  80. Frittoman626 says:

    Thats how an ACE gets out of it

  81. Carlosologist says:


  82. baby carlos says:

    Only 18 pitches… seemed like 30

  83. Dela G says:


  84. cjc says:

    alright now lock it down ps Ike Davis is getting on my nerves

  85. BigBlueAL says:

    Good job by CC.

  86. The next sequel in the Tron franchise will be Bel-tron. /Joe Morgan’d

  87. Dela G says:

    attaboy cano

  88. cjc says:

    this crew makes it damn impossible to watch sooooooooo painful

  89. Reggie C. says:

    Damn. Francouer had to run a looooong way to get to that. Couldnt that fly ball had died alittle earlier…

  90. JGS says:


  91. Across the pond says:

    wtf is with the bunting. Someone needs to stop that shit

  92. Frittoman626 says:

    Think about this, would the Yankees have signed CC if they got Santana?

  93. cjc says:

    jesus christ the next guy to bunt gets fucking kneecapped

  94. If I see one more bunt attempt–don’t care if it’s from the bench or the players themselves–my eyes are going to bleed. Stop wasting pitches.

  95. bexarama says:

    Unless you’re bunting for a hit stop bunting. :(

  96. Frigidevil says:

    Cmon dark helmet, USE THE SCHWARTZ!

  97. Raf says:

    good change from Santana tonight.

  98. Frittoman626 says:

    That was a nasty change-up

  99. Johan’s got the goods tonight. Stay sharp, CC.

  100. baby carlos says:

    different day, same results. ugh. This is as tired as old girlfriend.

  101. Too bad they couldn’t clear the pitcher. Oh well.

  102. Jake H says:

    Our hitters are swinging through a 89 mph heater. Pathetic.

  103. YankeesJunkie says:

    I think the Mets tried their hardest with this stadium to make the ball die as quickly possible. It is just awful to watch games here, no fun at all.

  104. Jake H says:

    Could A-Rod at least make an attempt and dive?

  105. Dela G says:

    give frenchy 3 FBs

    he wont get em

  106. Frittoman626 says:

    Barajas agaist CC in his career .450 (9-20) 3HR 5RBI, thats pretty good

  107. JGS says:

    Sit down Frenchy

  108. FIPster Doofus says:

    Francoeur is comically bad

  109. Across the pond says:

    Ok time for some meaningless in-game trivia for the Foreigner.

    What is pepper?

  110. Lily-BK says:

    santana looks like he has good stuff tonight… it would helo though if our hitters had a bit better at-bats… and this bunting shit in the early innings has got to stop

  111. Carlosologist says:

    This whole series has reminded me of the 2000 World Series.

  112. bexarama says:

    Ageless Andy Pettitte? He ain’t in Moyer territory.

  113. Frittoman626 says:

    I know this is out of subject, but who would you rather see win, Rays or Red Sox, because either one winning is bad

    • Dela G says:

      red sox

    • YankeesJunkie says:

      If the Yankees sweep, the Yankees will win no matter what happens, but if I had to choose I would say the Rays winning just to put the Sox deeper in a hole.

    • FIPster Doofus says:

      Rays, because I think them making the playoffs is a foregone conclusion. In case the Yankees don’t win the division, I’d like to keep Boston at a distance for the wild card.

  114. Dela G says:

    lol CC give him the 98

  115. Santana still looks better up there compared to Frenchy.

  116. Seriously, Cisco? Come on.

  117. Jake H says:

    love this depth the Yankees have.

  118. Raf says:

    gotta either hit the cutoff man or knock that ball down at the plate.

  119. baby carlos says:


    • bexarama says:

      The Yankees mess up and you smile. I think that pretty much says it all.

      • Bex, O:S this dude. No reason to keep feeding him.

      • baby carlos says:

        what are you talking about, he struck out Santana.. Jesus Christ, get bitched at for complaining, get bitched at for cheering, WTF is with you.

        Now I see the bad throw. Sorry your royalty my feed is on delay… god forbid

        • bexarama says:

          Didn’t know that’s what you were happy for. How am I supposed to know you’re watching a delayed feed? In that case, I apologize. I don’t think I’m royalty.

          • baby carlos says:

            typical of this blog…..everyone is god damn know it all against anyone who says anything negative against the Yankees. should have known better.

            • bexarama says:

              Nope. The Yankees are terribly stinky right now. And I’m not a “god damn know it all” or I would have known that you weren’t on the same feed as all of us.

              Just I saw the Yankees mess up and then I saw you make a smiley face. You haven’t exactly been the most positive person. What was I supposed to assume?

    • Across the pond says:

      are you a Mets fan?

  120. Frittoman626 says:

    Bad defense, but at least Barajas didnt score, fuck Reyes, never liked him

  121. FIPster Doofus says:

    Santana not getting the bunt down proved huge there.

  122. Reggie C. says:

    At least CC doesn’t have to worry about Reyes stealing 2B. Now get this guy!

  123. Dela G says:

    phew, that was ALLLLLLmost a costly play

  124. WOW where did that miss?

  125. Frittoman626 says:

    That was a strike, FUCK!!!!

  126. Dela G says:

    where did that miss????

  127. Raf says:

    ball boy eying that woman standing there lol

  128. Raf says:

    fucking alex cora.

  129. Dela G says:


  130. YankeesJunkie says:


  131. poster says:

    Fucking fuck fuck.

  132. JobaWockeeZ says:

    That might all they they need.

  133. Reggie C. says:

    Another run producing 2-out hit …

    A 2-run hole feels deeper than it did a week ago.

  134. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    Wow, this is bullshit…

  135. Dela G says:

    man that sucked

  136. Jake H says:

    Yankee pitchers can’t put anyone away with 2 strikes. I have lost all faith in this team.

  137. Frittoman626 says:

    Looks like it will be a long day for CC and the Yankees, HOW THE HELL DO YOU GIVE UP A HIT TO CORA!!!!!!!!!

  138. FIPster Doofus says:

    Did Joe Morgan just say “rine drive”? Are the rines crossed?


  139. mike c says:

    it’s ok– we give them a glimmer of hope now, and then pull the rug out from under them and remind them they are still the mets

  140. bexarama says:


    (jumps off a cliff) Did I do that right?

  141. Patrick says:

    That hurt–runs will be hard to come by tonight…..

  142. Michael says:

    have they had a single hard hit ball? what a joke.

  143. Hummingbird S. says:

    Alex Cora, really? Get it together CC.. this lineup is garbage.

  144. Reggie C. says:

    SHIT. I thought Cerv had him right there.

  145. Frittoman626 says:


  146. FIPster Doofus says:

    The Yankees have allowed Alex Cora to resemble a competent baseball player these past three nights. That saddens me.

  147. YankeesJunkie says:

    Was that Mike Harkey coming out to talk to Sabathia.

  148. Dela G says:

    what the hell is going on here!!

    this is the effing mets we’re playing

  149. baby carlos says:

    well there are 2 runs… bad throw cost the second

  150. poster says:

    We’re getting fucking killed in the second fucking inning.

    Don’t be rational, I’m in a bad mood.

  151. JobaWockeeZ says:

    I’m getting so much shit when I thought the Yankees would sweep form th Met fan friends.

  152. Across the pond says:

    That’s been coming from Bay in fairness.

  153. Carlosologist says:

    Goddamnit. —______—

  154. Frittoman626 says:

    GAME OVER, this is what happens when you cant get a horrible batter out

  155. Reggie C. says:

    Are in Fenway???

    Yankees-suck chants, Jay Bay going deep … ARGH.

  156. Raf says:

    and that really might be all Johan needs. shit. lineup will have to step up now.

  157. Dela G says:

    wow what the eff

  158. Hummingbird S. says:

    Can we win a sunday night game?

  159. Holy hell that was a perfect power swing by Bay.

  160. bonestock94 says:

    Tex is having an extended April and CC delayed it till May.

  161. baby carlos says:

    Ahh shit… Bay again. Seriously, Yankees – Jason Bay?????? REALLY?

  162. Dela G says:

    man zz is at 44 pitches

  163. Dr Van Nostrand says:

    3rd pitch to Cora should and would have ended the inning

  164. Alright, time to chip away.

  165. cjc says:

    this team is frustrating as fuck right now shocking that Bay wkes up against us just shocking (massive eye roll)

  166. Frittoman626 says:

    To little to late like i always say

  167. YankeesJunkie says:

    Finally, this horrible inning is over, time for the Yankees offense to step up and knock Santana around.

    • The Drake says:

      They can’t knock around Pelfrey for the scrub the Mets were throwing at the Yanks on Friday, you really think they are going to get to Johan?

  168. mike c says:

    if sabathia gets that 3rd strike called then its still 0-0

  169. Dela G says:


  170. The Drake says:

    Wow, the Yankees are playing like crap right now. Even the Mets are smacking them up.

  171. Jake H says:

    Glad Lost is on so I can watch something good.

  172. slappy white says:

    if we dont score this inning im going out and find me a “slumpbuster”

  173. Johan Iz My Brohan says:

    Blue and Orange on the Empire State Building?


  174. Carlosologist says:

    Does CC go deep? I think so.

  175. CC just put the best swing on a Johan fastball all night.

  176. That starts the rally!

  177. mike c says:

    CC sabathia = babe ruth

  178. Across the pond says:

    3 innings. 3 lead off hits.

  179. Dela G says:

    man cc is having the best non jeter/cano at-bat today

  180. Reggie C. says:

    Hah. CC helps his own cause!

    Now if DJ can hit a 2 run homer, we dont have to worry about CC running the bases.

  181. Hummingbird S. says:

    another inning, another leadoff single… we’ll get to Johan eventually

  182. Raf says:

    3rd straight leadoff batter on. make something happen

  183. Dela G says:

    CC with teh hit!

  184. FIPster Doofus says:

    I’m sensing a GIDP here. Hope not.

  185. baby carlos says:

    :-) And just in case, that was for CC’s hit

  186. The Drake says:

    If the Yankees lose this game ,do they get knocked to third place?

  187. Hummingbird S. says:

    comon CC, gotta go to 3rd there lol

  188. Oh snap!

    If Gardner squares here, I’m going to go apeshit.

  189. Carlosologist says:

    How is Miller confusing CC and Johan?

  190. Morgan just called Sabathia “Santana” — twice.

  191. Patrick says:

    need at least 2 of these runs back

  192. Dela G says:

    it’s sabathia, not santana…

  193. baby carlos says:

    Wow 2-2…. Jeter and not on the first pitch. Nice.

  194. slappy white says:

    come on grit

  195. Randy Lose says:

    after what happened to Wang a while back, I get real nervous with the pitchers running the bases…especially if they’re not quite in shape like CC

  196. bexarama says:

    Wooo Jeter lives! If CC wasn’t on, that might have been a double? Maybe not with Frenchy’s arm but he hit it hard and that makes me happy.

  197. Across the pond says:


  198. Patrick says:


  199. I hate Gardner’s regression so much.

  200. Raf says:


  201. Frittoman626 says:

    Like i said, Gardner sucks

  202. Hummingbird S. says:

    Pathetic AB by Gardner… can we have Swisher batting 2nd, please?

  203. slappy white says:

    double play and a Tex K ?

  204. Lily-BK says:

    is it time to drop gardner down??

  205. JobaWockeeZ says:

    One more and Gardy is below .300?

  206. Carlosologist says:

    Grit GIDP’d? Noooooooooooo

  207. So when was the last time Tex hit a fly ball?

  208. poster says:

    You could see that coming from a mile away.

  209. Frittoman626 says:

    Tex is even worse, EVERY FUCKEN TIME AHHHH!!!!

  210. Raf says:

    this is ridiculous at this point. holes at the top of the lineup

  211. baby carlos says:

    wow… Tex continues to amaze ….

  212. Across the pond says:

    OK, that’s tough to take. Not over yet, but that does not help.

  213. bexarama says:

    argity bargity.

  214. Accent Shallow says:

    DFA Tex, please.

    /kidding. Chan Ho Park, though.

  215. FIPster Doofus says:

    The Gardner regression is in full swing. Swisher’s gonna have to hit second.

  216. Frittoman626 says:

    I dont think even Pujols can help the Yanks offence ut this series

  217. BigBlueAL says:

    The Yankees are nice guys saving Jerry Manuel’s job for now. lol

  218. The Drake says:

    Gardner is suited for the 4th outfielder job and pinch runner.

  219. slappy white says:

    Seriously WTF is up with Tex ? Maybe a night at Scores with ARod would help,,,,Ill buy the shots

  220. Evan in NYC says:

    That was painful to watch.

  221. As for Tex, the karma for that Jolly Green Giant haircut is definitely catching up with him.

  222. Ballam says:

    this offense is horrendous they have not hit at all with runners in scoring position or in anytime for that matter major changes need to be made because the team sucks right now

    • bexarama says:

      this offense is horrendous they have not hit at all with runners in scoring position or in anytime for that matter

      they suck right now (as in over the last three games) but they lead the league in RS, dude.

    • Evan in NYC says:

      I feel like anytime there is a RISP it’s up to Gardner, Cervelli, Winn, Thames and Tex to knock them in. Tex will come around (eventually, right?) and Cervelli has been playing out of his mind. But now they are coming back to their norms and not getting the job done. Granderson and Posada can’t get back soon enough.

    • mbonzo says:

      9 games over .500 without their starting catcher, centerfielder, and DH as well as countless injuries in the bullpen and others dispersed to Thames and Swisher. They are doing really good if you ask me.

  223. Frittoman626 says:

    We need CC batting 8th, Tex batting 9th, and Swish batting 2nd

  224. markInCA says:

    Its amazing how one minute the boys are on fire, the next we look like the pirates.

  225. Lily-BK says:

    whats even more frustrating about this team is they dont seem to show life and mount comebacks. look at what boston did agianst us 2nights were down but managhed to take the lead… look at the rays they never give up! but the yanks, ofcourse keeo swingin at the first pitch and shit like that will happen

  226. Alex S says:

    Oh man Joe Morgan.

  227. Hummingbird S. says:

    Come on Jeter, gotta make that play

  228. JGS says:

    Ooh, a Jon Miller UZR reference

    …and Joe Morgan disparaging it

  229. rek4gehrig says:

    Capn looking old out there

  230. Pat D says:

    This team is just in a horrible slump on all fronts right now. Injuries, lack of timely hitting, some bad starts and extremely inconsistent bullpen work. The problem is that Tampa is still playing lights out, Toronto has yet to fall apart (they will), and Boston appears to be straightening themselves out. They can’t afford to keep playing like this for much longer.

    • rek4gehrig says:

      I totally agree…this is getting silly now.

    • JGS says:

      .260, .251, .244, .258, .352

      That’s the BABIP numbers for Garza, Price, Niemann, Davis, and Shields

      all of those are due for some major regression, four of them in the good direction. Damn, Shields has been good this year

      • Pat D says:

        Yea, I’m waiting for them to all come down. Price pitched pretty horribly today, but still won! (meaningless, I know)

        Wow, I can’t wait until the Yankees play the Astros.

  231. Across the pond says:

    His range is definitely back down this year

  232. Now he calls that location a strike? Beautiful.

  233. Frittoman626 says:

    out of subject, bet you that Halladay would be a Burnett type pitcher with the Yanks

  234. JobaWockeeZ says:

    That could have been a HR at YS3.

  235. Evan in NYC says:

    If we can’t put up at least one run here, game over.

  236. bexarama says:

    I terribly miss tsjc, he would be very entertaining right about now.

  237. slappy white says:

    my idiot metfan friend is texting me every batter…..WE MUST SCORE

  238. Dela G says:

    the offday cant come soon enough

  239. Frittoman626 says:

    Its going to be a bad day for me at school tomorrow if the Yankees lose this game today, losing the series to the Mets is worse than that Rays sweep

  240. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Grandy can’t come back fast enough.

  241. Hummingbird S. says:

    31 strikes out of 40 pitches is just amazing.

  242. Dela G says:

    this is depressing

  243. slappy white says:

    apparently we cant get out fast enough

  244. Johan has the hitters so off balance tonight. He’s pitching absolutely wonderfully. It doesn’t help that the hitters are slumping, but Johan’s been just filthy tonight.

    And of course Swish rips one right to Bay. Goddammit.

    • bexarama says:

      This. It’s a combination of the offense being really stinky right now and Johan being extremely good.

    • poster says:

      I don’t think he’s been healthy. Swish just ripped a ball and they got runners on, IIRC, every inning. Not that he’s pitching terrible, but we should’ve gotten a run by now.

  245. Hummingbird S. says:

    4-5-6 hitters go down in 7 pitches. This one might be over already.

  246. Raf says:

    7 pitch inning. Johan is gonna eat them up at the rate hes going.

  247. Frittoman626 says:

    How come its easy for teams to come back against the Yankees, but other teams need just 3 runs for a win against them

  248. baby carlos says:

    wow 7 pitch inning. They are looking like they did last year to start the season. Whole lotta suck, with a glimmer here and there.

  249. slappy white says:

    Joe G, otherwise engaged= taking a nap

  250. JobaWockeeZ says:

    So how long will the Empire State Building be orange and blue?

  251. Hummingbird S. says:

    How’s Granderson’s rehab? How many games does he have to play in Scranton before he comes back?

  252. JimmieFoxx says:

    Could someone please enlighten me as to why lefties are slower to the plate than righties?

  253. Frittoman626 says:

    The Yankees are the best team against lefty pitchers MY ASS

  254. Across the pond says:

    Cora and Davis are getting on my tits this series

  255. phughesisgod says:

    I hate ESPN games. I never get dead tired watching baseball games. Even when the game is on Fox, I at least can yell at them through the TV. The ESPN crew just puts me to sleep, I really cant take them. Morgan and Miller are horrible, and Orel Hersheiser is making it even worse.

  256. bexarama says:

    This commercial annoys me but Pedroia was adorable. =/

  257. Carlosologist says:

    Some hot stove stuff I read: Andy Pettitte projects to be a Type A after the season. He’s only four points above the cutoff of 74.

    • JGS says:

      Therefore, if Cashman offers him arbitration and he declines and then signs somewhere else, the Yankees would get two draft picks.

      Somehow, I don’t see that situation happening

      • bexarama says:

        Can Cashman offer him arbitration and then he retires, and the same thing happens? Or does it not work that way?

        Also, how do Type A/B FAs work?

        • No, they only get the picks if he signs somewhere else. If they offer him arb and he retires, nothing happens.

        • JGS says:

          Type A/B only matters if the guy signs elsewhere. If he retires, then it doesn’t matter.

          If another team signs your Type A after he declines arbitration from you, you get that team’s first round pick as well as a sandwich round pick.

          If another team signs your Type B after he declines arbitration from you, you get a sandwich pick

        • Carlosologist says:

          Type A: If team A signs a type A free agent that has been offered arbitration but declines, the FA’s original team gets team A’s first round draft pick and a compensation pick in a supplementary round.

          Type B: The FA’s original team only gets a compensation pick.

        • bexarama says:

          when I asked how type A/B worked… I know how it works if they went to FA. I meant how do they decide the difference between A and B?

      • Carlosologist says:

        I know Andy isn’t going to sign elsewhere, I just wanted to point out that if every member of the rotation was a FA to be, they’d all be Type A.

    • bexarama says:

      Thanks for all your answers, guys.

      If Andy doesn’t retire and he’s a type A and we re-sign him, do we lose draft picks?

  258. JobaWockeeZ says:

    I’ve said this before but you can get that “little” guy out by playing on a real baseball field. Then you’ll see those too weak or too slow comments again. Seriously if he was traded to another team I’d love to see the results.

  259. Frittoman626 says:

    While i do think Granderson wont make an immediate impact, he cant be worse than Winn, does anybody have any news Aceves and when he will be back

  260. phughesisgod says:

    What is going on tonight with the managers? They normally get both for alittle Q&A for a whole half inning. Girardi wasnt available, and Manuel wasnt there at first then came for like 1 question.

  261. I guarantee Russo hasn’t seen any changeups like that before.

  262. Dela G says:





  263. I saw that movie being shot in NYC last summer.

  264. Frittoman626 says:

    Im calling a Santana shut-out with 10 K’s, oh yeah and RIP Jose Lima

  265. Raf says:

    its like 2009 all over again with Bay

  266. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Bay kills the Yankees.

  267. Across the pond says:

    Mike did call this on his twitter before the series.

  268. blackdragon905 says:

    Why do we continue to pitch Bay on the outside corner?!?!?! That’s the only place that he really gets hits off of!!!!!!!!!!!

  269. Hummingbird S. says:

    I hate to see our starters sucking like this. CC has no command whatsoever. His pitches are mostly up but when he gets them down it’s in the middle of the strikezone.

  270. Carlosologist says:

    Bay is known to go into prolonged slumps in streaks. A prolonged streak was bound to come. I would have hoped he would have broken out against the Phils.

  271. Poopy Pants says:

    Can we trade CC or Hughes for a clutch hitter?

  272. bexarama says:

    I know the Red Sox would have paid too much for Bay’s decline but I’m pretty damn glad they didn’t re-sign him because he murders us.

  273. bexarama says:

    When things are going bad, they’re going bad, huh?

  274. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Count that at 2 for bullshit Ike Davis hits.

  275. Across the pond says:

    It’s time for Joe to bring the guys bowling, pool, strip club. Something, Anything.

  276. Frittoman626 says:

    Can a Yankees pitcher hit Bay in the head

  277. Hummingbird S. says:

    All around fail from the Yankees tonight. Offense, defense and pitching are all sucking. Let’s hope this is rock bottom and thigns go up from here on out.

  278. WIlliam says:


  279. What happened there, Kevin? That was kind of ugly.

  280. bonestock94 says:

    Not interested in this game anymore, I’ll keep gamecast on and if it’s a tie game I’ll turn the TV back on…

  281. Carlosologist says:

    The defense has been looking pretty sloppy tonight.

  282. Raf says:

    yea…just have Santana not make you guys look like minor leaguers for the rest of the game.

    day off will be needed tomorrow.

  283. baby carlos says:

    KC may sweep us. Ok just kidding, but seriously, Scranton is better right now.

  284. slappy white says:

    Triple A infielder playing leftfield for the Yankees ? Really ? we need depth

  285. Harold Moskowitz says:

    question: how do you know the difference btw a slump and a regression — and what formula are you determining that with?

    • Accent Shallow says:

      If a good player is performing poorly, it’s a slump. If a bad player is performing poorly, is a regression.

      /half serious

      • Harold Moskowitz says:

        thanks. that’s funny sh*t. actually, i meant to post my comment as a reply to one of the “Gardner’s imminent regression / he’s a 4th OF” posters.

  286. Patrick says:

    less than a week ago we were 1 game out–now it will be 6. ugh

    • bexarama says:

      And in less than a week we can be 1 game out. Baseball is funny like that.

      • Pat D says:

        Gotta admire your unending optimism.

        • bexarama says:

          it’s not so much optimism because I feel like crap right now about this game as truth. There are 120ish games left. That’s a looootta baseball.

          • Pat D says:

            I know. 5-10 (assuming no comeback tonight) over the last 15 days just feels like the absolute worst.

            I’m also listening to my dad railing against them in every which way. Right now he’s bitching endlessly about Sabathia and I basically just told him to shut up because he said this same stuff at the same time last year.

  287. Across the pond says:

    Geno – Right on cue to remind us it’s only a game

  288. Bob Stone says:

    I know it’s just a slump, but this is really embarrasing.

  289. baby carlos says:

    Yankees have single handedly saved Jerry Manual’s job, for now.

  290. The Drake says:

    This has been a real bad week. Losing to the Rays is understandable but losing to the Mets in this fashion is a joke.

    • Patrick says:

      hopefully this is the low point of the year. I feel pretty low–can’t take anything worse than this crap.

  291. Stretching Joba out mid-season didn’t work? He was mowing through guys in ’08 before getting hurt. I love revisionist history. Maybe it’s because I’m young–maybe some more experienced fans can help me out here–but I can’t remember anything like this in terms of narratives w/any other player but Joba. Anyone got anything?

    • Accent Shallow says:

      Joba succeeding in the rotation doesn’t fit the media narrative, so that’s something we can expect to hear go unacknowledged.

  292. Across the pond says:

    Has Jeter seen more than 5 pitches in his 3AB?

  293. Raf says:

    two pitches, two weak GB to 3rd for Teix


    My word.

  295. bonestock94 says:

    If the Yankees don’t improve they’ll have to go to the secret weapon.

  296. Across the pond says:

    uugh can’t do anymore. Work in 4 hours. I’ll have to finish this game in my dreams.

    Something tells me it’ll end better that way.

  297. slappy white says:

    seriously. how many total minutes have the Yankees batted tonight ? Tex 1 for 26 ? aaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrggggghhhhh

  298. baby carlos says:

    Wow… Tex’s offense is painful to watch. His defense on the other hand, well worth the money he is making.

  299. baby carlos says:

    Yankees have 4 hits, 2 by Jeter, 1 by Cano, and the other by the pitcher formerly in the game named CC.


  300. Oh fucking please. That was unintentional.

  301. Zooboy says:

    Joe’s gonna get himself tossed here…(umps an idiot!)

  302. Randy Lose says:

    i wish it was a fastball

  303. Frittoman626 says:

    It should have hit him in the head, yeah im that fucked up

  304. slappy white says:

    ARod predictions anyone ?

  305. Gatorade’s new money making scheme sure looks clever.

  306. baby carlos says:

    Best pitch a Yankee pitcher threw all night, just should have been a fast ball instead of a weak curve.

  307. Frittoman626 says:

  308. baby carlos says:

    Best thing for the Yankees, no more appearances on ESPN. Think they have only won once on ESPN this year.

  309. bexarama says:

    I cheered a baserunner.

  310. Better review that shit.

  311. Frittoman626 says:

    To make this night even worse, they have to talk about the Rays, lets see if they are like this during the second half

  312. Frittoman626 says:

    Sorry to say it isnt a Home Run

  313. It hit the orange line. That’s a homer, right?

  314. Raf says:

    man cant even catch some luck with a couple extra inches for that HR

  315. Randy Lose says:

    orel says it’s a homer

  316. Frittoman626 says:

    Citi field has the worst dimesions ever , no wonder no Home Runs are hit here

  317. Adam says:

    Seriously when building this park they didn’t think to make the line color different from the foul pole?

  318. dkidd says:

    tough week

    yanks will get healthy and tampa is about to start playing actual major league teams. things will turn around soon

    • bexarama says:

      Said it before, will say it again: this week is the dramatic sad part on the 2010 Yankees’ World Series DVD.

      • Adam says:

        Wait…that isn’t the part when they talk about releasing Edwar and Bruney?

      • dkidd says:

        last spring was much worse:

        the rain
        the empty seats behind home
        the bandbox hysteria

        this year is frustrating, but nowhere near as grim

        • Adam says:

          Sure the last few weeks have been frustrating (dangit since I went to see them in Detroit!), but we’ve been throwing out our B team for a while now thanks to odd injuries and such. All things considered we’re still in good shape. Our starters carried us for a while, sometimes pitchers have bad starts. it will all even out and the offense and pitching will both key in at the same time.

  319. Frittoman626 says:

    Ok lets look at possible trade tergets for the Yankees. Who should the Yankees think about this trade deadline

  320. Hummingbird S. says:

    Here comes the rally

  321. Is that the rally starter?!

    /endlessly optimistic’d

  322. Frittoman626 says:

    WTF is Thames doing

  323. JobaWockeeZ says:

    I won’t be surprised if 75 of Jeter’s outs have been groundballs.

  324. Hummingbird S. says:

    I’ve had enough of Gardner in the 2-hole.



  326. Frittoman626 says:

    You are to late Tex, DAMNIT

  327. JobaWockeeZ says:

    PC for teh Johanz?

  328. Blaaaaaaaah when he’s going right, Al takes that over the fence in right.

  329. Hummingbird S. says:

    That was the perfect pitch for A-Rod to hit, up and away… don’t know why he stared at it

  330. I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Johan goes back to the changeup again. Might as well, right?

  331. Drew says:

    Sick AB by Al.

  332. JobaWockeeZ says:


    Let’s go CLUTCH CANO!

  333. I can has bloop and blast then tie game?!

  334. Frittoman626 says:

    Is Bobby Jenks an option for the pen, the White Sox want to get rid of him, wont cost them any high leveled prospects, and would be a great set-up for Mo, or closer if he gets injured for some reason

  335. Frigidevil says:

    So if Cano knocs a few runs in here, I think it could be a slump-buster. If not, Tuesday’s not that far away

  336. dkidd says:

    come on ribbie

  337. Frittoman626 says:

    Lets Go Cano!!!!

  338. Hummingbird S. says:

    Swing at that shit Cano.. comon

  339. baby carlos says:

    Bloody Hell… step away and Tex gets a hit.

    Nice. now try and keep it going there, Tex.

  340. Well that was anti-climactic.

  341. Frittoman626 says:

    Not surprised, this was the Yankees of this week

  342. Hummingbird S. says:

    yeah, that sums up the Yankees right now..

  343. Frittoman626 says:

    Again, Is Bobby Jenks an option for the pen, the White Sox want to get rid of him, wont cost them any high leveled prospects, and would be a great set-up for Mo, or closer if he gets injured for some reason

  344. rek4gehrig says:

    Boone is in…time for me to go to bed

  345. bexarama says:

    Could this night get any worse?! Boone Logan had a great inning so now he’s not going to get sent down!!!!

    (I am mostly exaggerating for effect but the sentiment is at least 2% there.)

  346. Joe just said something that actually made sense. Oswalt could make sense for the Mets.

  347. WIlliam says:

    Who pinch hits in the 9 spot?

  348. Frittoman626 says:

    Lets play who’s more anoying, K-Rod or Valverde

  349. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Ugh neighborhood rule.

  350. WIlliam says:


  351. Derek get the bat down!

  352. Zooboy says:

    I thought both teams were warned not to accidently throw errant curve balls. No ejection?

  353. Tom Zig says:

    shouldn’t K-rod get tossed for that?

  354. WIlliam says:

    Uhg, Gardner is on deck, in an abysmal slump.

  355. Frigidevil says:

    Seriously john miller? Meer-AHND-uh for Miranda? no. just no.

  356. WIlliam says:


  357. Oh shit! Let’s go, Brett. Keep the line moving.

  358. WIlliam says:

    And now G can’t dp.

  359. poster says:

    Not watching. How much we down by?

  360. Joe West's Music Career says:

    I say. The old boy has some life in him yet.

  361. bexarama says:

    That was an excellent at-bat by Jeter with a pretty much optimal result. Hooray!!!!

  362. Gardner looked safe…

  363. Pat D says:

    Are they just teasing us again?

  364. Alex S says:

    Fuck! looked like Gardy was safe

  365. Frigidevil says:


  366. WIlliam says:

    Soooooooo close.

  367. Adam says:

    What crap!

  368. WIlliam says:

    Listening to Sterling, safe or out?

  369. poster says:

    Glad I’m not wtaching.

    Tex needs to blast one here.

  370. Wow. I’ll take it. Wow Tex. Wow.

  371. JobaWockeeZ says:

    LET’S GO AROD!!!

  372. FIPster Doofus says:

    Up to A-Rod

  373. Frigidevil says:

    WOW talk about an ugly single

  374. Carlosologist says:

    Damn Tex. Nice hustle right there.

  375. Drew says:

    Come on Al. Just try and hit it hard my man.

  376. WIlliam says:

    Walk of 3-run home run?

  377. Tom Zig says:

    Battle within in a battle…up steps the other Rodriguez.

  378. Alex S says:


  379. JobaTheHeat62 says:

    joe morgan takes retarded to new levels

  380. Pat D says:

    Teix gets lucky swinging on first pitch.

  381. So if it goes to the bottom, Miranda plays 1B and the pitcher goes to Pena’s spot>

  382. Alex S says:

    here comes the dropped pop up with Tex running REALLy hard

  383. JobaWockeeZ says:

    But one of those times was a dropped ball Miller.

  384. Drew says:

    OOFA. That was his pitch. Hopefully he gets another.

  385. Frigidevil says:

    Green light here?

  386. WIlliam says:

    Please don’t k A-rod.

  387. JobaWockeeZ says:

    Ugh that’s THE pitch.

  388. JobaTheHeat62 says:

    that is a bummer….arod just missed that shit with that swing

  389. Gaaaaaaah! Alex that was ball four!

  390. WIlliam says:

    Don’t swing at that A-rod!

  391. Brent says:

    God damn. My heart is going to explode.

  392. WIlliam says:

    8th pitch of this ab coming up.

  393. Alex S says:

    Damn good pitch by K-rod…….

  394. Tom Zig says:

    Damn. Buzz kill.

  395. WIlliam says:

    Fuck! Soooo close.

  396. Pat D says:

    Tease over. They better get their act in order soon…

  397. bexarama says:

    Aaargh. Great at-bats.

    I should be happy they’re fighting back almost all the time, right?

    • poster says:

      Honestly, and I’m one of the guys who thinks they’re perfectly fine and merely slumping…not really.

    • Drew says:

      Sure why not? Unfortunately, imo it’s not like we’re just getting beat, we’re playing some bad ball at times. For me, that’s what kind of kills the positives of almost coming back. Plus, the past couple weeks the Paul O’Neill theory hasn’t really been working.

  398. Drew says:

    Eh. At least someone on the team is putting good AB’s together. Got em with the change, can’t really complain.

    • poster says:

      I think that was a pretty bad AB by A-Rod. He missed two mistake pitches. The really grievous one was that 91 MPH fastball right down the middle of the plate. It practically screamed, “Crush me!”

      • Drew says:

        Anytime you make a good pitcher throw 8 pitches in an AB you’re doing something right.

        • poster says:

          Just because he’s a good pitcher doesn’t mean he was pitching well during this particular game. Sorry, but when you get not one, but two mistake pitches in an at-bat and you’re a hitter of A-Rod’s caliber not to capitalize on that is a bad AB.

  399. Johan Iz My Brohan says:


  400. Hummingbird S. says:

    A-Rod choked big time there. He had two 90mph meatballs right down the middle and couldn’t even put it in play. Pretty pathetic AB, especially the swing-and-miss on a hanging slider in the middle of the zone.

    • bexarama says:

      that at-bat =/= choking

      You’re getting back to your old ways :(

      • Tom Zig says:

        he did miss on some fat pitches though

      • poster says:

        I don’t believe in choking. But like Tom Zig pointed out, he DID miss some pitches he should’ve crushed there.

      • Hummingbird S. says:

        to me, that was. I’m sorry if you don’t agree. He had great pressure on him to come through there and he didn’t. He missed pitches he normally handles easily and swung through a pretty bad pitch. That to me is choking.

        I’m not saying he can’t come through in the clutch and all that other non-sense that people write about him, but this time he really did choke.

        • bexarama says:

          Okay, that’s a decent explanation. I still don’t think “not coming through” necessarily equals choking.

        • Drew says:

          No one hits 1.000 in “clutch” situations. Just because they make an out doesn’t make it choking. Even if a guy hits 400 in that situation, he’s failed the majority of the time.

        • FIPster Doofus says:

          At this point, A-Rod is the last person I would ever accuse of choking. The guy’s earned lifetime immunity with me after everything he did last season and the enormous hits he’s already amassed this year. He didn’t get a hit in the ninth tonight. So what? Not everyone can get a hit in every must situation; it’s part of the game to fail more than you succeed as a hitter.

  401. poster says:

    That was a fucking great pitch by K-Rod. Damn.

    How the fuck did A-Rod miss that 91 MPH pitch right down the fucking middle?

  402. Frigidevil says:

    at least GOB can make it feel better

  403. Carlosologist says:

    I hear Target Field is a pretty nice park to hit in.

  404. cjc says:

    only one way to sum up this week too little too late

  405. Dela G says:

    man that was heartbreaking, but hey, at least the team finally gets a day off. It seems as if they havent had a day off in 2 weeks

  406. I’m beginning to think that Paul O’Neill’s career as a philosopher was over before it really began.

  407. mike says:

    It’s a small complaint, but it still drives me crazy how Girardi continually pinch runs when the guy at first is the tying run.

    • Drew says:

      Well, there is no bottom of the ninth if that tying run doesn’t score. Pena gives us a better chance to score that run there. Teix isn’t exactly fleet at foot.

      • mike says:

        It’s not as pointless doing it with Tex as it is when he does it with Arod, but it’s still bad. There are just so few plays that the difference in speed between Pena and Tex will be the determining factor between scoring and not.

        It has basically no effect on the teams chance of winning, but it’s just annoying that he insists on doing something that has a negative impact, however slight.

        • Tom Zig says:

          I don’t think it has a negative impact. Pena is a lot faster than Tex. And really, when is the next time Tex will get up to bat?

        • Drew says:

          That has nothing to do with this game though. Pinch running for Teix there gives you a better chance of scoring on a double or a misplayed single. That run is rather important.

  408. Carlosologist says:

    Something annoying: The Empire State Building will be blue and orange until presumably the next meeting.

  409. Frittoman626 says:

    To little to late

  410. poster says:

    BTW, anybody look at Girardi in the dugout? He looked REALLY pissed this entire game.

  411. Matty V says:

    welp, looks like we all could use the night off from the Yanks on Monday.

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